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2101  Other / Off-topic / Re: Future Cities on: January 18, 2020, 03:49:48 PM
I think that in the next 10 years we're going to see a new kind of city develop.  One where the land is fully-owned by a corporation and rented to residents.  Ownership will be a choice, of course, but most folks will rent because they're "just passing through."  Imagine a block of land, anywhere, free of government restrictions.  People could do as they please for once.  Doctors would not need licensure, leading to the availability of the world's cheapest and best medical care. 

It's a fairly extreme vision, but I think the time is soon for concepts like this one. 

So rather than forced to follow the rules of the Government you are forced to follow the rules of the Corporation...

As for medicine, the degree ensures you are the real thing and not some snake oil charlatan. Other than a degree you should be free to practice, either for free or for profit, or both as many actually do.

Your idea for a corporate owned city is quite old, even Walt Disney wanted to build such a thing before he died.
2102  Other / Off-topic / Re: is my internet being throttle and would vpn helps? on: January 18, 2020, 03:33:30 PM
i am using a 1mbps unlimited bandwidth wimex internet connection via a modem

usually my speed is ~100kb/s

however during dinner time where i am most likely to use or peak hour my speed is less then 10kb/s

which is 10% of 1mbps

i believe my isp is throttling me and a vpn might solves this?

this frustrates me as i cant even open gmail



If that's a WiMAX service i think it may be bandwidth shared, and because its wireless you can imagine there could be LOTS of people. If your connection works perfect at, say 3am, it probably means you are not being throttled but simply those were the peak use hours.

Actual throttling tend to be content based, and it would slow down at any hour (or several, in the daytime for instance).

I'm currently forced to use a very capped mobile service, i wish i had something unlimited right now, no matter how slow. This has forced me to browse the web without images (with uMatrix since i was already blocking trackers and other pests).

Gmail has a "basic html" mode when you open it, try using that is its a lot faster. Or use an imap email client like thunderbird.

Good news is, you can now enjoy your dinner properly, and later use the internet...
2103  Other / Off-topic / Re: What's the best TV show you've seen recently? on: January 18, 2020, 03:15:25 PM
You can see Turkey's best tv serial called sultan Suleiman. It's a serial tv drama about ottoman empire.

I think they are showing that on State TV here. I haven't found time to watch it and it would need to be watched from the beginning anyway. This is why tv on demand (streaming/downloads) is so useful while old fashioned tv so inconvenient.

Netflix can have a series start good and then become garbage, its best to wait for the whole season to end before recommending (or at least watch several episodes).
2104  Other / Off-topic / Re: You may win 1 (one!!!!) whole merit if you guess cryptohunter's new username on: January 18, 2020, 03:05:33 PM
cryptohunter is going to leave this forum:

We shall likely NOT return at all again after the next 2 days.

Obviously no one who has seen him troll the shit out of this place for the last 15 months or so believes that.

Assuming that he comes back with another sockpuppet account, what will it be? Guess the username and if you turn out to be right or close - I may award you one merit, at my discretion.

My guess is that it's going to be something cringy and boastful, like DebateCrusher.


Picking a new name account can be such a hassle, i think we are helping cryptohunter by giving clever suggestions here...

Anyway just for the fun of it: TheTruth
2105  Bitcoin / Mining software (miners) / Re: Braiins OS: open-source mining firmware [S9, T1]. New release includes AsicBoost on: January 18, 2020, 02:59:33 PM
Great Release of bOS Cobalt ...

Two issues with (one of - the bOS test miner) the S9 miner that I can see.

Take a look at the bosminer documentation. But this is alpha software, it probably needs more testing and bug fixing:

NOTE: This release is not production ready and is intended to preview the bOSminer software.

The June version should work fine in the older S9s (not hydro, k, e, etc.). Maybe the logs show something useful?

Official support is on Telegram: https://t.me/BraiinsOS
2106  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How Bitcoin will rise as EU cash payments fall on: January 17, 2020, 03:57:02 PM
It is nice that Europe does it for convenience rather than necessity. Here we became cashless because the banknotes lose their value so quickly, you'd need a ton of them to buy anything meaningful, and because the gov doesn't even have money to print enough, they have also become scarce to the point of extinction.

Indeed we also use debit cards and phone (sms or custom app) for payments. Bitcoin is a little bit more involved, but much more safer than sending an sms with your personal ID to a random merchant...

I don't think losing cash necessarily points people to bitcoin. I have yet to see bitcoin use here in everyday transactions, people are mostly using it to either trade and make money from the absurd exchange rates hyperinflation + distorted economy does or as a means to keep value when access to more "conventional" fiats is difficult.

As the article itself mentions, debit and phone can be used instead. But you could take advantage of that to teach people that they only need to do one extra step to become secure and independent from the State.
2107  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Did Satoshi think that quantum computers will exist? on: January 17, 2020, 03:48:17 PM
Quantum computers are a long ways away from becoming general purpose computers. As of right now, quantum computers are highly limited to only being able to perform specific kinds of calculations and tasks. There is no threat stemming from quantum computers at the moment and there won't be for quite some time now.
   I would worry if quantum computers became commercially available like smartphones, then there would probably be room for panic to ensue. I believe that people have been watching way too many science fiction movies.  Grin

Nobody expects them to. Quantum computing is additional to general computing, what people probably mean is that your general computer will be also quantum capable, i think something like a quantum co-processor will appear at some point. At this point, you WILL see quantum crypto algorithms implemented, which solves the problem entirely.

So its the opposite. Once "everyone" has it, it is solved. The problem is the transition, when only a few can own one. Your worry is from today, until "quantum computers became commercially available like smartphones" when you can easily use quantum crypto algorithms.

This is also the reason the mitigations should not be delayed too long, but always keep in mind of that the actual solution is.
2108  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: [VIDEO]The Nasty Secret of Bitcoin Exposed on: January 17, 2020, 03:37:52 PM
The video explains how Bitcoin turns your ownership into membership, which is exactly how classical fraudulent schemes operate.

What membership? Do you get a gold membership when you buy gold, or an euro membership when you buy €? Schemes need you to bring others to invest, with bitcoin you don't care if your neighbor gets in or not. It would benefit them, but its their problem if they want or not to buy, and bitcoin certainly doesn't care, it does NOT depend in the inflow of money from people buying it.

Bitcoin price is a simple free market result, it is useful enough to the group of people that own it, because they perceive it so, and that's what truly defines value. This can change at anytime and this is what fluctuation reflects. Over a decade, however, it has been gaining.
2109  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: "Can I pay in Bitcoin here?" - go and ask this each time you pay something! on: January 17, 2020, 03:30:34 PM
Have done this in the past with many restaurants of my city but they were hesitant to accept because of the fluctuations. Only one or two shop managers thought about implementing Litecoin because of the fees but when they couldnt understand the market and couldnt hold for a day or week when the price went down, they stopped accepting it. For a month we enjoyed paying LTC.

Litecoin fluctuates the same and sometimes even more than Bitcoin, no reason to accept one but not the other... At worst they can use a payment processor, like bitpay.

The fluctuation is such a lame excuse, those merchants should take a look how life is in hyperinflation, where the price is permanently fluctuating (upwards, mostly). Perhaps they think a price never changes, but in fact price can be made to change everyday or even every hour. Only when you pay you get to know the actual price, that's the truth here, and in the end with electronic money it doesn't matter (as long as you have enough to pay).

Anyway if they are so scared they could also exchange everyday or even every hour (being their own payment processor).
2110  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What bitcoin ideas do you have? Share it! on: January 17, 2020, 03:19:04 PM
One big problem with physical shops that accept Bitcoin is that their staff (cashiers esp) can sometimes be poorly trained in how to actually use Bitcoin to accept payments.

The Arnhem Bitcoin City guys have a really effective way to keep people motivated -- when they spend, they offer to tip extra, so then this motivates the cashiers/waiters etc to learn how to use it and remind people they have that option to pay.

For me, as a freelancer, I had to convince my employers to pay me in crypto. When I started out, I had still a lot paying in Paypal. How did I convince them? I offered 5% discounts on invoices for crypto payments. I never convinced all of them but it got to a point I only had a couple left, with non-regular work, so I told them I could no longer take assignments from them if they paid in PP.

One switched just to keep me =) The other, we parted in a good way. But end result is, I converted clients, and those I couldn't saw a changing world, and I'm now earning 100% in crypto! I don't even offer paypal as a method anymore!

Ideally the shop should have bitcoin payment integrated in its billing. Maybe the amount expressed in bitcoin and the shop's wallet address, then the customer broadcasts the transaction (by scanning the qrcode for the address and sending the written amount). Same way the likes if bitpay can tell when a broadcast is made and release even before 1 confirmation, it is definitely possible. You could have a waiting room for people to wait for 1 confirmation if you don't trust your customers (or perhaps for larger amounts).

I have also been trying to freelance, but have been unable to, especially in bitcoin. Where are you promoting your services?
2111  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: 67,1% of micro businesses do not know what cryptocurrencies are. on: January 13, 2020, 08:00:57 PM
One of the reasons most people don't know about crypto is the lack of crypto education. Most people who know about crypto are because they do research about this technology. We as crypto users should be responsible for spreading education and the benefits of using crypto. Starting from the closest people around us.

Though internet is one of the major source of information when it comes to crypto.
Many people don't have the access to internet but for those who knows how to use it, they are the ones that learned first about crypto.
And for those interested to know more, they can always read a lot of articles pertaining to crypto.
This forum alone can already give you tons of knowledge and information to all levels of  crypto users - newbies, miners, developers, or just regular crypto users.
I think it is now easy to understand things if you will really devote time to study. We do have now google and everyone has the freedom to search what is unknown to him.
So those merchants, what they can do is give time to understand crypto if they want to know more about it, the benefits that they can derive and so on.
Exactly, although Google and YouTube have banned some content about cryptocurrencies. And what you say is true, example in Venezuela the light and internet fail a lot, so it is complicated that communities like these can obtain information.

At this point this is not so much an issue, since we are (sadly) heavy social media users, and most news in Venezuela moves this way (because no one trusts traditional media due to gov censorship). Of course social media is also full of garbage but that's how it is.

The term "cryptocurrencies" is hard to dig. Yes, some people use it because they want to appear "neutral" to the altcoins, and sometimes there is some altcoin foundation behind paying things (such as Dash aggressive marketing), so to not "look bad" they use this convoluted word.

But the word Bitcoin is a whole lot different. Try asking instead if they know what Bitcoin is, and the results might be different. Bitcoin as a brand has a much heavier impact, and has become a cultural phenomenon.

Note that is is just "knowing" what it is, accepting it directly as merchants are a whole different issue. And at what rate, because even if someone informally accepts it, it might be at a very unfair rate; this is a common practice here in hyperinflation land. 5% margin? No merchant here sells anything under 100% margin, and that's before adding the predicted inflation rate. Yes our economy is garbage and its one of the reasons it ended up in ruins. People's habits... For them State is there to protect their sick practices: The reason you have to obtain an import permit is what allows you to sell at twice the international price. Triple and more is also common, you would cry if you saw asic miners prices in the local market...
2112  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Creating a Bitcoin Ecosystem - Earn & Spend on: January 13, 2020, 07:38:42 PM

Everyone knows that holding or HODLING your coins is a key part of
getting involved in Bitcoin and Crypto, the idea is not to get rid of them
in case you miss the next big pump
, which could happen at any time for
example.


NO, the idea is to HODL, until fiat currencies are valued in Bitcoin, until the time comes that "you don't have to sell for millions" one day, until hyper-BITCOINIZATION.

Actually you should hold endlessly. Save what you can, spend only what you must.

If you earn in bitcoin, only exchange what you need for living expenses.

If you earn in fiat, spend what you must and the rest move it into bitcoin.

While i use bitcoin here, this is actually what you do when you use money that does not lose value overtime. Sometimes called deflationary, it is actually simply not losing value like fiats do. In the case of bitcoin, it does gain a bit of value as some coins are lost forever (lost wallets, etc). But this is the natural thing to do. Think of what people of the past did when they had gold coins and no banks, or what you do in a fantasy game. You will notice, albeit few people pay attention, than in those games your coins don't lose their purchasing value. Unless the market is intervened, such as in MMOs. And what you do is just keep them, maybe save to buy something later. This is exactly it... The Austrian school of economy. Save then buy, not get in debt to buy now and spend the rest of your life paying the debt... You are unfortunately used to the later, as promoted by the dominant Chicago school of economy worldwide. But they don't tolerate and in fact fear money that doesn't lose value overtime, which bitcoin is.

"hyper" is a silly word, don't use it. Use bitcoin as much as you can, then fall back to deprecated fiat when there is no choice. The transition isn't easy, and probably not quick. Its not just the coin, its the whole mindset. I still see people here outraged if a bank asks for fees to keeping their money; duh, that's exactly how banks should work, at least honest banks. But you shouldn't be using banks unless absolutely needed anyway, the bank business will shrink in this new reality, unless they embrace and adapt to the new situation, become exchange, wallet, payment processor, etc during the transition which might last quite a while.

You are going against people's habits here. Hey, do not get in debt to buy that car, save until you have the money to buy it. Why this is very American thing to do, but the Chinese tend to do it the other way. Ironic actually.

Holding is just another way to say save, of course you don't need a savings account, your money isn't losing value, and sometimes even gains a bit. this is Bitcoin in its final stage, if you came thinking you could buy bitcoin today and sell it tomorrow to be come rich, forget it, you came 10 years late for that. Still in its final stage bitcoin is a very useful asset to humanity. Its away to escape the fiat trap, not to mention the fractional reserve banking timing bomb, which can take the whole world economy (except Bitcoin) overnight. It only takes critical mass of people learning about fractional reserve banking, and their choice to withdraw their money, maybe to buy bitcoin. done slowly enough, the banks can adapt and shrink gradually, but if done in panic... a worldwide bankrun is possible. This is the ultimate feat which is why you always see them bailing out the banks but not the people.

The fact that a bankrun can occur is the telltale sign of a Ponzi like scheme. Go ahead and find by yourself what fractional reserve bank is. Why is this legal? Its related to the history of the modern bank. The bankster did fractional reserve practices when that was illegal two centuries ago, some did not lose the money gambling it or loaning it, got rich, and "lobbied" politicians into legalizing the practice.

Now that i know it, i wouldn't keep large amount of savings in banks. What if enough people learn about this? You never know, maybe the scheme will still go on another 100 years and nobody will notice, or maybe, just maybe the information will spread and panic withdraws will make the system collapse. You will not be able to take your money out if this happens, bankruns are nasty, its like an exchange that fails. To avoid a world trauma, its best to do it slowly. Don't worry, the way the system works, a single country cannot take down the world (there is a world bank), same as a single bank cannot take the whole country (there is a central bank). They made it for this reason, to protect their scheme. Those "meta" banks also work with fractional reserve principles, therefore can also bankrupt.

If you are skeptic do half/half. diversifying is never wrong. Its also half as good, but that's better than losing it all.
2113  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Transaction backlogs on: January 13, 2020, 06:21:30 PM
You have to be careful not to send a low fee to avoid waiting ages for a confirmation.

Use this tool which gives you a recommended best fee -

25 sats per byte is currently recommended.

Yeah, like 1 a day or so, oh the humanity. Whats wrong with you people? Its this thinking that feedback loops the issue. IGNORE the "recommended fee", stick to 1 sat/B.

The bunch of wallets (especially online ones) that are constantly monitoring the network to "guess" a recommended fee the main problem. So everytime some "event" triggers them all in a chain reaction and like a bunch of lemmings follow the pump.

That only happens when the meme pool is clogged as a result of mini BTC bull run. I quite remember we witnessed this somewhere last year when the pool was so clogged with unconfirmed transactions. I think the price of bitcoin was around $13K by then, i had to pay $3 to complete my $150 transaction lol. It's still cheaper than in fiat transaction so no hard feelings at all.

Are you in a hurry? No? Then use 1 sat/B and check back tomorrow. It doesn't matter if to you "3$ is nothing", its the principle of the thing, and the blind aid to a tx fee pump that would not exist if all wallets used 1 sat/B by default.

And yes, the biggest offenders are the exchanges.

Unless you are in a REAL hurry, and most people are not, you should never use anything than the absolute min of 1 sat/B. Yes, use a decent wallet with replace by fee just in case tomorrow you decide that for some reason you cannot wait anymore, but that should be the exception not the rule.

If your wallet doesn't let you manually use 1 sat/B, you should change that wallet.

PS: 3$ is already more than the monthly wage in my country. Unacceptable.
2114  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: [VIDEO] Bitcoin is a fraud where a gift record is presented as a market item on: January 13, 2020, 06:05:47 PM
The explanation on this video is totally BS! I think who created this video totally hate bitcoin because he only learned it lately and cannot afford to buy because its too valuable like gold, go and make another video entitled "fiat is fraud".
What's wrong with hating frauds? What's wrong with warning people about frauds? Especially people in a community that has most fraud victims?

Fiat currencies are fraud? Based on what have you concluded that? On corrupt governments abusing fiat monetary system? That's like saying that houses and cars are fraud because governments are destroying them in wars.

Fiat currencies are not fraud. They are actual market items that grant its holders the non-monetary repayments, which realises prior to every loan payment, as explained in the video. Cryptocurrencies on the other hand, are records (gift records/scheme membership records) that are falsely presented to the public as market items. For that reason they are fraud. This won't change by calling someone hater.

Since you pretend to be a "youtuber" that can't even bother to write your argument in plan text here but rather advertise an url hoping to increase views, Why don't you search in there for "fractional reserve banking"? You say fiat is not a fraud? You are in for a big shock. About 90% of fiat money doesn't exist.

But every satoshi is unique and accounted for, even if some will never move again, they are still there located in the blockchain for everyone to see.

You think printing fiat can buy all bitcoin? Just try it, you will only hyperinflate your fiat that way, while bitcoin remains still spread in many hands. You would cause a little pump at most, that will correct itself. So go ahead, convince a government to ruin their coin doing this.

So people are buying digital assets, just like online game items. But unlike online game assets each satoshi is unique. You can't just hack a database and make more appear out of thin air, its secured, more than fiat, where a gov can actually "print" as many as they want, just like you could spawn endless of the same item in a game if you are the admin.

Bitcoin is so useful, that its got its actual market price after 11 years of people like you insisting with the same lies. And yet, it exists, and people are still are trading their fiat for it.
2115  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Let's make mining sustainable on: January 13, 2020, 05:51:09 PM
I don't know man. As far as my research goes, the environmental impact of Bitcoin is basically nothing compared to the environmental impact of the cash system. There's already an increasing and improving way for Bitcoin to be mined without causing much to the environment so it won't really matter.

Instead of asking those mining enthusiast to come up a way or a solution to the problem (which I think they are doing already), why don't you do something yourself? Maybe plant a tree or something. Maybe donate to those environmental charities. Because no matter how many rants you make here in the forum but as long there is money, miners will mine they want even if the cost is a slight change in the environment.

Maybe make a movement yourself about helping the environment. I'm sure some of the members here in the forum will be willing to help you.

Indeed most people able, should plant a tree. Not just one, many, make it an activity and do it from time to time. Just make sure to use a local species, don't want to make the problem worse.

You could argue modern lifestyle is making this irreversible. The weather patterns are changing worldwide, and solutions are not coming from the top, the politicians are worthless.

I'm not a fan of donations, for all you know, they might be misused (which is why i warned NOT to give anything for the Amazon). Get involved and plant a tree yourself, how hard can it be? And then do it again, and again, and again. Make it a social activity.

If its close to the place you live, try to take care of it as well.

Truly disappearing Bitcoin won't change things, and as explained before the market itself is solving this issue on its own.

You could also change some habits, reduce, reuse and recycle; cycle to work, invest in renewable: buy a solar panel with a grid tie inverter, etc.

I wonder if modern society is sustainable. Are you willing to change some habits? Americans have a huge problem, they went to live too far away from work, and waste too much commuting. Telecommuting may help. One of the reasons USA is one of the top polluters is their car dependency, while its perfectly fine to live in countries in Europe and Asia, the typical sub-urban American cannot think of living without owning a car, and they even designated a car type for this lifestyle (which happens to be a fuel waster).

Unfortunately China is copying this bad example, what Americans did in the 50ies (the freeways program) has been reproduced in China, complete with the madness car production, as a "means to push the economy". These two countries alone are the most responsible.

Give a satoshi to plant a tree? No, go plant it yourself, you lazy couch potato.
2116  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Daily Living on: January 13, 2020, 04:09:20 PM
Who here uses Bitcoin daily or lives on the financial crypto market?

I personally use Bitcoin wherever I possibly can, and accept it directly without converting it to fiat immediately. I have been using Bitcoin daily for years. (Ever since Bitpay started improving its Bitcoin debit card product)

This is a really interesting topic so I have reopened it. Here are some of my other threads on the topic that were closed. It is really cool to see the progression of comments which suggest that people are using it more and more.

And what are the fees for using this debit card? This is one of the things banks that want to remain in business should start considering to do, become payment processors themselves.

Of course this is not exactly adoption but helping in the transition. If the merchant directly takes bitcoin, there is no reason to give extra fees to a processor. However, as a service, it is nice to have just in case.

More importantly, who else in addition to bitpay is doing this? Bitcoin cards (debit/credit) have existed before, but if i recall correctly their fees were very high, not unlike those of an ATM. It is for the convenience, i guess.
2117  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Keyless encryption and passwordless authentication on: January 13, 2020, 03:51:07 PM
To me, it doesn't make sense. Yet. I just don't understand how you can identify someone without knowing at least one detail about them. 2FA (time based) works on a secret and the current time, changing every 30 seconds.

Encryption, works on a key, whether that's a shared secret key, or a public/private keypair.

Yes, the only problem with that is when they steal your 2fa privkey at the time of creation, or when your device time isn't exactly in sync, or when the user loses the privkey (because GA was in the stolen phone, etc)...

To me 2fa is not an excuse to replace a solid good randomized password made with a decent password manager (not online sites, free open source software) that also uses a very good password running in a secure OS unlikely to have random malware of the week sniffing.

Passwordless solutions have always been defeated at some point, they are way too dangerous. You can do a "one time", and then go asymmetric like with SSH you add public server keys to your client and never input login passwords again, but only if your OS is secured.

And very likely some of the passwordless proposals include fingerprinting you to the point of uniqueness. What happens when THAT info falls into the wrong hands? Same as with KYC/AML.
2118  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: We are giving too much attention on the halving on: January 13, 2020, 03:31:26 PM
well when we get more adoption of bitcoin as a currency all over the world it means there is an increased demand for bitcoin then with something like halving that is cutting the fresh coins entering the market by half we can definitely expect a gigantic price rise equal to that same supply cut. that means a lot of speculators will also be attracted to bitcoin. it is not necessarily a bad thing though as that is also one type of adoption. as long as the real purpose isn't forgotten thing would be fine.

You mean "if" we get more adoption, right?

Adoption was gong great till the debacle of Dec 2017/Jan 2018 when the mempool backlog was 3 weeks and fees soared to over $1000.

Steam disabled paying by bitcoin and they haven't re-enabled it. And other retailers have shied away from enabling bitcoin payment as well. We've gone backwards in the last two years

But this has not occurred again. And honestly, I think Steam (Valve) are idiots. They could have taken the coins directly, or set up a btcpay server, which is an open source Bitpay replacement. Its not like they lack the resources and skills to do so. To this day, i still think they are big idiots for blaming Bitcoin for something that was actually Bitpay's fault. Purchasing a game is a perfect example of something that does not need instantaneous transactions, you CAN wait hours or days for a game to appear on your Library.

If they wanted, they could even provide an online bitcoin wallet. That way the time it takes for coins to reach there doesn't matter, and once there, you can to any "processing" (exchanging to USD which is what they seem to want) instantaneously. Why their client already shows USD funds, it might as well show BTC.

So now, thanks to their stupidity, people have to buy euro Steam gift cards from dubious sites to do the same, with a lot of extra delay and even more fees. Gee thanks for making things so much harder to honest customers, don't go cry piracy later...

So ignoring Gabe's idiocy (shoo profits, shoo), adoption is occurring. It might slowdown somewhat at times, but its not becoming "undone". Even them will have to return, because they will have no choice. Ignoring bitcoin is as unpopular as you can get, and all it takes is some nice healthy competition accepting it...
2119  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Who are Bitcoin's Unsung Heroes? on: January 12, 2020, 10:53:23 PM

Agreed. While not code, would add bitboy. The logo was a fundamental marketing masterpiece for Bitcoin adoption.

This logo went into unicode in 2017, quite the achievement! I don't think any altcoin managed to push theirs there.

Speaking of which, if you still cannot see it, you have to update your unicode fonts (Try Google's NOTO): ₿
2120  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How did the first miners mined bitcoin? on: January 12, 2020, 10:43:00 PM
Yes but focus to the main question, how were the first blocks, obviously after genesis, mined? When did cgminer actually came to be? What did Satoshi and friends use for subsequent blocks? The answer probably lies somewhere deep in the early posts of this forum...
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