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2181  Economy / Speculation / Re: The thoughts of a bubble buyer on: August 28, 2013, 09:33:44 PM
What if bitcoin goes back to the single digits and then grows 5% annually over a decades?
2182  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Ron Paul cool with bitcoins on: August 28, 2013, 09:27:58 PM
Apparently he really is desperate for attention.  The point here is, when it comes down to it he's your typical politician, loudmouthing about everything that's currently popular.
Bitcoin is no exception.
2183  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker - Hardcore on: August 28, 2013, 08:44:39 PM
Don't send gox any money
2184  Economy / Speculation / Re: Those who deny that BTC will rise to seven figures: clearly explain yourselves on: August 28, 2013, 07:54:55 PM
I don't have to explain myself.

This is entirely consistent with your posting history, which is why I see you as an utter joke and wonder whether you're merely a butthurt establishment fanboy or someone who is being compensated in some way.

Butthurt usually is diagnosed on the one making the insults.
2185  Economy / Speculation / Re: Those who deny that BTC will rise to seven figures: clearly explain yourselves on: August 28, 2013, 07:49:29 PM
WE are the NWO  Cool

He's already up to you. Tongue
2186  Economy / Speculation / Re: Those who deny that BTC will rise to seven figures: clearly explain yourselves on: August 28, 2013, 07:43:16 PM
I don't have to explain myself.
2187  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Regulate my ass on: August 28, 2013, 05:31:32 PM
Uh I can't really see that statement as being about the Bitcoin Protocol. He's talking about the economy, most likely that concerns exchanges, merchants and such.

Everybody who uses Bitcoin is part of the Botcoin-economy and every transaction is an economic act. If someone demands "oversight" or regulation of the Bitcoin economy he talks about every user and every transaction.

Hence, he is talking about the protocol.

I just put my tinfoil hat on and tried to interpret it any other way but failed.

Joe

At first: I haven't said it's every aspect of the economy, I clearly stated what part this would be about. In particular mtgox(confirmed) and bitpay(probably) are what they are concerned about.
Second: This is about how Bitcoin is being used not what it is.

Do you think the FEDs are that stupid not to realize that the only way to fight silk road is on their terms? The signs should be pretty clear by now if you look at the succession of events. They won't to squash to undermine the legal efforts of the economy since that would only make it harder to hunt DPR & co.
Last: This requires no tinfoil hat but just common sense, which seems to be in short supply lately...  Roll Eyes
2188  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Seizing BTC wallet holders? Governments should be afraid to do it on: August 26, 2013, 05:41:11 PM
Someone would still have to store it. It's not like some part of the blockchain could be omitted by everybody.

Sure. And that someone could be China, Iran, North Korea, Iraq, Equador, Chile, Russia, India, Seycheles, or if none of those are willing to, pretty much anyone, anywhere, on a Tor node. Or an I2P node. Or any other anonymizing node.

They could argue it's not the accounting ledger that's illegal but the excess information that is already. And because there are no methods available to prevent somebody to store more illegal information in it it can be declared illegal to posses the block chain.
You have to keep in mind to follow how a bureaucrat would think in case he is supposed to "do something about that".

And that's why drugs are not available anywhere, and CP is no longer on the internet. Sure, it would be a problem for the business that's in a country that bans bitcoin, but it won't be a problem for any businesses outside of that. USA banned online gambling. Doesn't mean that business is dead.

Of course you're right, but still such a situation wouldn't be something to look forward to.
2189  Economy / Speculation / Re: The REAL bubbles on: August 26, 2013, 05:15:26 PM
Paranoid much?

So you're claiming there aren't more countries with nukes than a few decades ago?  Sure, overall numbers are down, but the number of countries capable of destroying a continent has increased.

I don't really know. My opinion about this subject goes like this:
There are piles of nukes and there are piles of idiots, and the probability of nuclear war is directly proportional to the number of piles of nukes times the number of piles of idiots times the discrepancy between the size of the piles. Both of the latter has been decreasing, and I wouldn't argue that the number of idiots gonna come down any time soon.

It could be that I went a bit more optimistic about the current state of affairs since I noticed that the most popular critics of the system do not have the answer either. What I do believe is that most of the time people get along. In the case of nations in economic competition I do think that ultimately the local economies will become relevant again, simply because at a certain point transportation becomes prohibitively expensive.
2190  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Regulate my ass on: August 26, 2013, 04:58:48 PM
Uh I can't really see that statement as being about the Bitcoin Protocol. He's talking about the economy, most likely that concerns exchanges, merchants and such.
Still remember that the main reason for the crash at 266 is commonly attributed to the inability of mtgox to provide a decent market platform?
2191  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Seizing BTC wallet holders? Governments should be afraid to do it on: August 26, 2013, 04:54:16 PM

It is clear that such a thing would be difficult to enforce, and somebody somewhere would still store the blockchain regardless of the potential consequences (a lot of people actually). But it would sure be a pain for anybody with a company to openly use Bitcoin. Think about how pot prohibition works.
Seems to work like this:
- X is banned at some point for arbitrary and nonsensical reasons (extra information in the blockchain or not)
- Availability or price is not affected by the ban.
- Additionally thousand synthetic high powered versions of X are developed and fly under the radar.



Likely, what you have to consider though is in the instance of pot prohibition it doesn't only affect marijuana as a drug but also it's usage as medicine, industrial hemp and using it as a food crop.
A Bitcoin prohibition would have similar deteriorating effects.
2192  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin Foundation to meet US authorities. on: August 26, 2013, 04:32:03 PM
There is much that could happen but none of it is likely.

From a better standing and releasing of seized funds to charges against foundation heads or even arrests many things are possible. I don't expect either to actually happen.
2193  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Seizing BTC wallet holders? Governments should be afraid to do it on: August 26, 2013, 02:56:19 PM
A brain wallet is pretty much useless if the Blockchain is declared illegal information. That's even the most likely scenario of a goverment crackdown - CP links encoded into it ring a bell?

Blockchain stored in nations where it's not illegal, everyone else uses it the same way Bitcoin Wallet for Android does it, where it only requests balances and relevant info for the addresses it's keeping track of. No need to keep copies of the illegal information. Done.
Someone would still have to store it. It's not like some part of the blockchain could be omitted by everybody.

Besides, it would be pretty baseless to make something like an accounting ledger illegal.
They could argue it's not the accounting ledger that's illegal but the excess information that is already. And because there are no methods available to prevent somebody to store more illegal information in it it can be declared illegal to posses the block chain.
You have to keep in mind to follow how a bureaucrat would think in case he is supposed to "do something about that".

It is clear that such a thing would be difficult to enforce, and somebody somewhere would still store the blockchain regardless of the potential consequences (a lot of people actually). But it would sure be a pain for anybody with a company to openly use Bitcoin. Think about how pot prohibition works.
2194  Economy / Speculation / Re: The REAL bubbles on: August 26, 2013, 12:49:00 AM
Paranoid much?
2195  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Seizing BTC wallet holders? Governments should be afraid to do it on: August 25, 2013, 11:02:25 PM
A brain wallet is pretty much useless if the Blockchain is declared illegal information. That's even the most likely scenario of a goverment crackdown - CP links encoded into it ring a bell?
2196  Economy / Speculation / Re: The REAL bubbles on: August 25, 2013, 05:32:23 PM
The system requires perpetual economic growth. This is not possible, even at a rate of 0.01%, unless the universe expands at least as fast and we are capable of occupying every empty space.fn1


nothing grows forever. then the void consumes it all.  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

-a parable, by sir Walz


1 see: the magic of compound interest

It only requires exponential growth if loans are expected to be paid back.

lulz

ps, economy must grow. loans must grow to make possible. difficulty in repayment will scale with increasing loans.

People accept the default of other people, deal with it. That includes banks and central banks.

Competition among nation-states guarantees an unrelenting drive to grow perpetually. This is unsustainable and economic suicide. Refusing to participate in this unhealthy competition among nations is also suicide, as the winners indirectly oppress and devastate the non-participant's economies.

The goal of every viable economy is to endlessly harm itself just enough restart the growth machine. See Orwell's 1984 plz.

deal with it. i am right, you are wrong.

Just like nuclear war is inevitable, and nuclear proliferation won't happen, the cold war gonna kill you all.

Wait, nuclear stockpiles are decreasing since over a decade? Unfathomable! Grin
2197  Economy / Speculation / Re: The REAL bubbles on: August 25, 2013, 04:56:51 PM
The system requires perpetual economic growth. This is not possible, even at a rate of 0.01%, unless the universe expands at least as fast and we are capable of occupying every empty space.fn1


nothing grows forever. then the void consumes it all.  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

-a parable, by sir Walz


1 see: the magic of compound interest

It only requires exponential growth if loans are expected to be paid back.

lulz

ps, economy must grow. loans must grow to make possible. difficulty in repayment will scale with increasing loans.

People accept the default of other people, deal with it. That includes banks and central banks.
2198  Economy / Speculation / Re: The REAL bubbles on: August 25, 2013, 04:53:04 PM
The system requires perpetual economic growth. This is not possible, even at a rate of 0.01%, unless the universe expands at least as fast and we are capable of occupying every empty space.fn1


nothing grows forever. then the void consumes it all.  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

-a parable, by sir Walz


1 see: the magic of compound interest

It only requires exponential growth if loans are expected to be paid back. Compound interest stops compounding in case of a default or in case of a remittance.
2199  Economy / Speculation / Re: The REAL bubbles on: August 24, 2013, 07:27:14 PM
Bubbles are artificial  Wink

yes, like the stock market is pumped up by the QE from the fed.

Bitcoin is real.

Indeed.

stock market = debt based equity. Bitcoin has no debt.

That's exactly the point.
And even if all central banks have as number one priority to keep the stock market bubble alive, they can't prevent the bubble from popping big time eventually.
And it will be very nasty.

Dow jones 400 we are coming.

That's like saying 80s fuel prices are coming back. They're not.
The debt based money supply has as much to do with the stock market as it has with any other sector.

The solution is simple: Periodic remittance of loans, be it in the private sector or the financial sector.  And this is happening all the time, cyprus was just one of the more visible ones.
This is something no Libertairan Doomsday Cheerleader is willing to admit: The system actually has mechanisms which can keep it sustainable. You just can't profit from it individually.
2200  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker - Hardcore on: August 24, 2013, 01:03:09 AM
Pigs gonna get slaughtered.
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