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1781  Economy / Speculation / Re: Great New Crash on: November 09, 2013, 07:21:28 PM
overall bitcoin volume is much lower than in april.
1782  Economy / Speculation / Re: Best Growth for Bitcoin on: November 09, 2013, 07:01:27 PM
btc always recovers.  as long as you dont sell for lower than you paid youll be fine
What if you buy for more than you sold? Don't forget that part.

Ironically nobody is concerned about that.
1783  Economy / Speculation / Re: Poll: Top of the Current Bubble on: November 09, 2013, 12:33:41 PM
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1784  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin is not digital Gold, it is digital Rhodium on: November 09, 2013, 09:53:55 AM
Need Rhodium now!



Is it just me or do you guys also have a desire to try this piece of metal between your teeth? I wonder if it's somewhat soft like tin.

IIRC it's the second hardest metal.
1785  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin is not digital Gold, it is digital Rhodium on: November 09, 2013, 09:52:33 AM
Why compare entire bitcoinssatoshis (which are the smallest denomination given which can't be changed without a hard-fork) with *atoms* of gold no less?
FTFY
Keep in mind that changing the smallest denomination would make old clients unusable and doing it would also affect the market, so it's not as easy to do as you might think.

Why not femtocoins of BTC with megatonnes of gold?

Because nobody else does it. Again I compare ounces with bitcoins because most people use these denominations.
1786  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin is not digital Gold, it is digital Rhodium on: November 09, 2013, 08:57:39 AM
Like Bitcoins rhodium exhibits three properties:

It is very rare, (much) rarer than Gold
How is Bitcoin more or less rare than gold?

There's more kilograms of one, but more satoshis of the other. How does that compare on the rareness-scale? Smiley

Notice the 's' in Bitcoins? I was talking about single Bitcoins, not any named subunits some guy came up with.
There are more Gold atoms than Satoshis btw.

You may see that as "common unit" bitcoins, troy ounces, oil barrels, etc..
1787  Economy / Speculation / Re: If chinese bulls can cause this madness, what can chinese bears do? on: November 09, 2013, 08:37:41 AM
Look at it this way: How many BTC have Chinese ASIC owners and producers now and how many will they have in a year?
1788  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin is not digital Gold, it is digital Rhodium on: November 09, 2013, 08:12:33 AM
How about responding to my post?

Ok. Eyeballing it, the volatility of Rhodium and Coffee looks similar enough.

Bitcoin, of course, has been more volatile. NewLibertyStandard quoted $0.0007639 per BTC in 2009. Now we're close to $300. OMG, the volatility!!!

Bitcoin is still a toy in terms of global relevance. It's in its infancy. To cry "volatility" is both to miss the point, and to fail to acknowledge where we are in the lifecycle. In short, such observations are meaningless.

So you do you think one Bitcoin will be traded for US$ 117,816,468  in 4 years?
Good riddance.

I propose you the following exercise: Look at any 4 year period of rhodium prices and tell me it can't be mistaken for something bitcoin is doing.
1789  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin is not digital Gold, it is digital Rhodium on: November 09, 2013, 08:01:56 AM
Bitcoin isn't an electronic anything.

It's Bitcoin.  Sui generis, bitch.

Best response yet. You are of course right.


What I am pointing out are the similarities, which end here.
What remains is more like how Bitcoin works as an investment which is very similar, to how rhodium is threated, the amount of investment taking over the largest portion of the price.
1790  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin is not digital Gold, it is digital Rhodium on: November 08, 2013, 01:07:22 AM
How about responding to my post?
1791  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin is not digital Gold, it is digital Rhodium on: November 08, 2013, 12:45:33 AM
bump
1792  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin Shrinking - The Long View on: November 08, 2013, 12:41:44 AM
lol that's not relentless.
1793  Economy / Speculation / Re: Analysis never ends on: November 07, 2013, 06:11:43 PM
Possible. But I see typical signs of terminal 5th wave in people excitement sentiments.

1: 0-> 32
3: 2-> 266
5: 50-> XXXX

How can it be any other way?
1794  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bears never learn :) on: November 06, 2013, 07:26:54 PM
People who bought @32 USD in March 2013 and in 2011 starting at 1 USD have only possibly lost money if they overtraded. Buying at the new alltime high is very attractive IMO.

This^

Bear's almost never learn.

Some do.
True.
1795  Economy / Speculation / Re: Remember remember the 5th of November. on: November 05, 2013, 07:18:15 PM
i hope if we hit ATH, investors put monies aside for vasectomies

You are weird.
1796  Economy / Speculation / Re: Remember remember the 5th of November. on: November 05, 2013, 07:07:40 PM
Mind you only GMT counts. Wink
1797  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 04, 2013, 07:23:49 PM
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While all miners work from the most recently discovered block (think of it as the "original" block), the selfish mining process begins when a pool of miners discovers a new block and doesn't publish it. The selfish pool then begins working on discovering yet another block, mining from this hidden one. Meanwhile, the rest of the "honest" miners are still wasting resources mining from the original block.

Can you mine FROM a "hidden" block? This makes no sense to me.

Sure, you can mine a block, not publish it, and continue mining. But unless your pool has 51% of the network, the odds are the rest of the network will invalidate the block you are hiding, and then you've just lost a block and have to start over. It does nothing to harm the network, just yourself.

Read it carefully, you need 34% for total dominance.
That is because you can publish the hidden block once you get wind of another block of the same height and the rest of the network will be preoccupied with both your block and the other block, effectively halving their hash rate.

It kind of works with less% too but you don't get all the bitcoins, and it becomes less and less effective from there on.
1798  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 04, 2013, 06:54:25 PM
Looks like they are talking about 51% attack and blockchain forking, without actually understanding what they talk about...

No, it's not a 51% attack. But similarly, it does depend on miners doing something that will eventually hurt their own investment.

It's a 26% attack. Not really a big deal tough.
1799  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: advocacy versus etiquette on: November 03, 2013, 01:05:18 PM
People who work in the service industry have it tough enough, I'm not going to make them jump through hoops to get their tip.

Come on, where is your contribution to The Movement?

Trying to keep the forums clean doesn't count?

Look around you.
That said it depends on whatever you think The Movement actually is.
1800  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Mining Bitcoins should be renamed to burying. on: November 03, 2013, 12:54:38 PM
The major difference here is the more overall effort is put into digging stuff up the more overall product comes out of it. Since Bitcoins are generated at a regulated rate increased effort can only increase the amount generated temporarily till the regulation sets in. And that is only because the mechanism is overdamped.

The only thing "mining" emphasizes is "doing work". which it is not, even in "computer terms". Work has the inherent property of the effect being directly proportional to the amount of work, and useful work that of a useful product which is more useful if it is the product of more work. "Proof of work" nonces are only useful "by definition" of the protocol. You might argue that a nonce resulting in a lower target is more useful but it's really not. Any nonce is exactly as useful as another since they only ever protect against an attack of half the hashing power, whatever that may be.
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