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2221  Economy / Currency exchange / Re: [WTB] 5x Bitcoins for $50/£30 [Skrill/Carbon Poker/Lock Poker/Bank Xfer] on: October 27, 2012, 03:05:34 PM
56.20 for 5BTC through moneybookers.
2222  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: FRAUD ALERT: Jermainé took my money on: October 27, 2012, 02:52:09 PM
That is the first i have heard of involving police in a bitcoin issue.  I guess because it involved real goods its easier for them to understand what type crime took place.
2223  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: FRAUD ALERT: Jermainé took my money on: October 27, 2012, 02:44:52 PM
That is the goal of posting their public information here.  And posting their family and friends and business associates here.   

NOT TO FIND THEN AND CAUSE  OR THREATEN PHYSICAL HARM TO ANY ONE.

However EVERYONE googles their own name.  And everyone googles name of friend and family and business associates.

that iscludes FACEBOOK, TWITTER, LINKEDIN and any where else they have an online presence.

Once they are branded as the CRIMINAL that they are on-line, and everyone know about it, they move pretty fast to resolve their issue.
2224  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: bitfloor needs your help! on: October 27, 2012, 02:38:59 PM
Maybe he is no longer in control.  Has anyone been in touch with him directly.  He used to respond promptly to support@bitfloor.com emails.
2225  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: FRAUD ALERT: Jermainé took my money on: October 27, 2012, 02:36:26 PM
That is also illegal in the US.  It's called harassment.
2226  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: FRAUD ALERT: Jermainé took my money on: October 27, 2012, 02:23:44 PM
I did but I'm reluctant to peruse this as I am not a victim. Victims could post or pm full of the fraud I'm glad to help out.
2227  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: A Manifesto is needed. on: October 27, 2012, 11:47:18 AM
Good point but you do realize the the us postal service and amtrack are running at billion dollars deficits and are only in business because of federal subsidies.  You do know that the 100 year old much revered company kodak went out of business last year.
2228  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Trendon Shavers-Philip Moustakis-United States Securities & Exchange Commission on: October 27, 2012, 11:36:11 AM
Any info regarding your investment in any business related to Trendon Shavers and bitcoin securities would be helpful.

What country are you from?  The SEC may be bound by certain statutes when dealing from non US witnesses. While this is a civil, securities related investigation, the SEC could refer cases to other authorities.   I'm am not a lawyer but unless you cashed out of your investment before the default at a profit you may be subject to taxes and/or a clawback.  However most guys lost money. So wouldn't that be a write off as a loss on you taxes?  Consult you local taxe attorney.

Finally. Please email Mr. Moustakis. While he can not predict the outcome of his investigation and any civil action that may result, he can advise you of your rights under US law.
2229  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Trendon Shavers-Philip Moustakis-United States Securities & Exchange Commission on: October 26, 2012, 11:41:24 PM
email him.  He has a blackberry.
2230  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Find Trendon Shavers in person thread... [BTCST, BTS&T, pirateat40] on: October 26, 2012, 11:37:34 PM
TRENDON SHAVERS UPDATE

I received reliable information that tTendon Shavors has been  hiding out in or around his Texas home and is planning or has already traveled south of the border to Mexico.  Any one else with relevant information please don's hesitate to contact me directly.

I ALSO SPOKE WITH THE SEC TODAY.  IT IS VERY IMPORTANT THAT ANY AND ALL BITCOIN SECURITIES INVESTORS READ AND RESPOND THE  FOLLOWING THREAD AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.

TIME IS OF THE ESSENCE

IF TRENDON SHAVORS DOES HAVE ANY ASSETS LEFT THEY NEED TO BUILD A STRONG CASE - THEY NEED TO DO THAT AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE

AND THEY CAN'T DO THAT WITH OUT YOUR HELP  (OR GAME OVER - PIRATE BEAT YOU ALL)

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=120759.msg1300473#msg1300473

2231  Bitcoin / Legal / Trendon Shavers-Philip Moustakis-United States Securities & Exchange Commission on: October 26, 2012, 11:29:36 PM
Philip Moustakis
Senior Attorney
Division of Enforcement
United States Securities & Exchange Commission
3 World Financial Center, Suite 400, New York, NY 10281-1022
(212) 336-0542

The there is a lot of FUD in "Got off the phone with the Guy from the S.E.C"  thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=112438.220
DO NOT READ IT.  It is full of misinformation.  

This should be the thread to discuss how you can participate in the SEC investigation. Maybe Phil will even sign up and answer your questions (but that may be a conflict of interest for him).  Theymos, if he does please let him out of the newbee sections.

The links above and below contain a pdf from the SEC on google docs that contain the full text of your right to voluntarily supply information to an SEC civil investigation.  It a little long and daunting and can freak people out but I'll pull out the highlights below.

https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B-33azoziRiZbTFXc0lxcV9SWHc


I also just got off the phone with Philip Moustakis.  Nice guy.  We chatted for about an hour. Unfortunately any info others have given me is not relevant to him as he needs to speak with defrauded investors.  Without witness willing to come forward to explain to the SEC the nature of their investments with Trendon Shavers they can't  make a case.  If they can not make a case  then Trendon Shavers stays on the beach in Mexico spending your precious bitcoin.

Here is the deal.  This is NOT a criminal investigation.  This is a civil action.  Philip is essentially on a fact finding mission.  At the end of this fact finding he has to present the FACTS to the Commissioners and they decided if there is enough evidence to make a case against Trendon Shavers.  If there is not enough evidence,  Trendon Shavors remains on the Beach in Mexico spending what remains of your Bitcoins.

AS PER US SECURITIES LAW: THE SEC WANTS TO KNOW IF TRENDON SHAVER MADE ANY MISREPRESENTATION OR MATERIAL OMISSION TO YOU, ON WHICH YOU RELIED TO MAKE AN INVESTMENT DECISION IN ANY BITCOIN SECURITIES OFFERING.  IF THIS IS THE CASE SECURITIES LAWS WERE VIOLATED AND THEY MAY BE ABLE TO PURSUE PROSECUTION.  

HOWEVER IF YOU WERE A PPT AND YOU ALSO MISREPRESENTED OR OMITTED RELEVANT INFO ON WHICH YOUR INVESTORS RELIED TO MAKE INVESTMENT DECISIONS THEN YOU ALSO VIOLATED SECURITIES LAW.   YOU'RE FUCKED.  GAME OVER.  TRENDON WINS.  

So while PPT guys may be out if they knew of trendon's fraud,  EVERY regular investor should get on the phone on Tuesday and call Phil  at  (212) 336-0542 and talk to him or set up an interview if you are in NY.  While there are many many victims, if no one comes forward they can not prosecute and Trendon walks.

[EDIT]
There is also the possibly that under appropriate circumstances, the SEC can offer a witness a proffer agreement, and that there are certain cooperation tools at these disposal.  You should discuss exactly what that means with Phil if you don't already know.
[/EDIT]

Call Phil  and talk to him.  (212) 336-0542


Phil is not going to answer your questions about the investigation.  Any information about the investigation is not publicly available.  Any evidence you provide will also NOT be made publicly available, however it will be shared internally and with appropriate authorities.  

If you decided to get involved know that you are being interviewed VOLUNTARILY.   You can terminate the interview at any time.  You can refuse to answer any question at any time.  (It is not an interrogation). You have to state what country you are from as US involvement with witness from to foreign jurisdictions  may have to be approved or handled in a certain way.  You have to to tell the SEC who you are and how to get in touch with you. If the information in the interview is helpful and a civil action is brought against Trendon you may have to participate in civil action.  

The SEC has NO criminal authority.  No one is going to arrest you, however they can refer matters so state or local authorities.

You DO NOT want to give false statements.

Again the gritty details on in this 5 page pdf file:
https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B-33azoziRiZbTFXc0lxcV9SWHc

If you DO NOT take action Trendon Shaver fraud continues and he wins. It 's as simple as that.  

TIME IS OF THE ESSENCE.  

**** I am not a lawyer.  this is my recollection of my telephone conversation with Phllip Moustakis. I will also be emailing this text to Phillip to to correct any factual errors or inaccuracies.
2232  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Find Trendon Shavers in person thread... [BTCST, BTS&T, pirateat40] on: October 26, 2012, 10:20:00 PM
Boss,

That would be great.  If you want to pm or email it to fdajkddcek@gmail.com

Thanks.
2233  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: pirate payments list -- accounts paid: 23/459 on: October 26, 2012, 03:35:43 PM
EskimoBob

We are going after him, he will go to jail.  I have no idea what his brother was involve with but he and his family are not who we are after.  Everyone is pissed at him but we do not condone violence or veiled threats in this effort.  Please delete your post.

Thank you. 
2234  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: A Manifesto is needed. on: October 26, 2012, 03:19:11 PM
cbeast

I totally agree but with the exception of  the 99%/1% message which was genius, Occupy Wall street we essentially a disaster.  I did read something interesting  recently.  I'll post it if I can find it again.

EDIT: Found it

“Bitcoin and state banking systems are born enemies: only one can survive. If you are imagining that they can peacefully coexist, you are fooling yourself.”
http://www.forbes.com/sites/jonmatonis/2012/10/04/bitcoin-prevents-monetary-tyranny/

This article is making a profound statement.  The baby steps bitcoin is making at the junction of bitcoin and fiat with bitinstant, bitcoin cards cards, etc are just that, a  toddler striving to find his footing in a strange new world.

But to survive and flourish  bitcoin is going to have to bypass and eventually destroy the current traditional banking system.

 
2235  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Find Trendon Shavers in person thread... [BTCST, BTS&T, pirateat40] on: October 26, 2012, 03:12:01 PM
If you know for a fact that he is there we'd love to hear from you.
2236  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: Gold-foil Chocolate Casascius Coins for the Halloween kids this year? on: October 26, 2012, 02:47:15 PM
Mike,

Received my bitcoin chocolates today



Love it!   Passed it out to everyone in my office.  As someone said before Great Conversation Starter  "What is it!!??"

Don't know if they'll last til Halloween!

Hey,  great idea and thanks for doing this.

You should have shipped a box to charlie in Vegas.

Any one doing a trade show or promoting bitcoin in any way definitely order a box and take it with you!

 
2237  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: pirate payments list -- accounts paid: 23/459 on: October 26, 2012, 02:06:03 PM
And also with out a verified list of creditors who have been harmed I don't think there can be a civil or a criminal case.  And Trendon Shavers is smart enough to know that and it watching all these threads where nothing is happening but FUD and laughing all the way to the bank.

just my opinion....
2238  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: pirate payments list -- accounts paid: 23/459 on: October 26, 2012, 01:57:08 PM
OK.

I'm not invested and am not expecting any money back.  I'm interested in Tracking down Trendon Shavers.  How ever in the event any funds are recovered, no one's going to see a dime until there is a verified list of creditors and I'd suggest you guy put something together or no one is going to see any funds.

Good luck with that.
2239  Economy / Currency exchange / Re: Have PayPal, need BTC on: October 26, 2012, 01:32:04 PM
Just had a great trade with juggalodarkclow

I wasn't paying attention and sent him 24 btc instead of 4 without even realizing it.  He immediately PM'ed me back and returned the extra btc.

It's refreshing to see that kind of integrity around here.

Thanks!
2240  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Find Trendon Shavers in person thread... [BTCST, BTS&T, pirateat40] on: October 26, 2012, 01:29:20 PM

Everyone please reviews these documents.  This is a very thorough cache.  Any details you can provide please post here.  And if you thing your info may be sensitive please PM/SYPE or EMAIL me.  If he has computer access on that island you know Trendon is checking this thread regularly.

Thanks.
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