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1521  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: My response to the community on: December 31, 2012, 05:47:42 AM
He went off the deep end.  It happens in bitcoin.
1522  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Usagi - is he or isn't he a scammer. on: December 31, 2012, 05:46:19 AM
Anyone anywhere can start a bitcoin investment fund, collect coins and proceed with their investment plan.
There are no bitcoin securities laws or regulations.
It seems that most inverstors seem to want their bitcoin portfolio managers
to play by generally accepted accounting/investing rules.

However that rarely seems to be the case for bitcoin securities.

1  There is no real auditing.  
2. There is no filing of offering memorandums etc.  

So basically portfolio managers are able to do what these see fit with their funds
and deal with disgruntled investors/creditors as they see fit.  While Usagi provided an investment offering he is not necessarily being accused
of violating this contract.  

It seems to be clear from these posts that Usagni:

1. Improperly/inaccurately valued Assets  EDIT** see post #17
2. Was caught at least once  attempting to misappropriate company funds.
3. Purposely claimed his fund was going out of business to drive down share price so he could buy back shares at a lower price.
4. Destroyed material evidence.
EDIT:
5.  Took insurance payments and did not pay claims.

While Usgai has many detractors there doesn't seem to be anyone coming to his defense.  Also, Usgai refused to provide specific factual evidence to support his claims but instead spams any open thread, and even starts new threads which all seems to be an attempt to obfuscate any questions at hand.

This evidence and his continued response to these accusations clearly suggests that he is not a very fit portfolio/investment manager.  

Was Usagni intentionally trying to defraud his investors.  Is he a scammer? It it up to the bitcointalk.org administrators to determine any further action.


I replete:  I'm glad to update any or all of my previous posts here should anyone provide additional facts to refute any conclusions I have drawn.

Thanks.
1523  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Usagi - is he or isn't he a scammer. on: December 31, 2012, 05:23:48 AM
Usagi has posted here in response to this thread.  
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=134011.0

I'm glad to update any of my posts if anyone would care to pull some FACTS out of here that refute anything I'm already stated.

Also for full disclosure I received the following PM from augustocroppo

[snip]
Shame on you, BCB.

You seem do not understand how to examine evidence...

You are being completely biased against Usagi.
[/snip]

augustocroppo,

Sorry to disappoint you but this is currently my opinion.

If you would like to pull some FACTS out of any of usagi's statements I'd be glad to update any or all of my previous posts.

Thank you.
1524  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Onus & Remedy in Scam Accusation Threads on: December 30, 2012, 07:28:42 PM
updated

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=133823.0
1525  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Usagi - is he or isn't he a scammer. on: December 30, 2012, 07:26:52 PM
deprived and  makomk have posted evidence that Usagi mislead his investors to lower the share price of his assets then bought them back at a lower price.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=113708.msg1426523#msg1426523
1526  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Usagi - is he or isn't he a scammer. on: December 30, 2012, 07:15:24 PM
Deprived has pieced a time line from actual post of Usagi's attempt to misappropriate company assets.


Here's the first of my allegations against usagi - a failed attempt to steal hardware belonging to BMF.

Sorry if it's confusing in order - the posts comes from various threads.

The Case of the Vanishing Hardware

First a quick bit of background on BMF.  I don't believe usagi will disagree with any of this.

BMF started out as purely an investment vehicle - its sole role was to invest in securities (can't remember whether it was only mining-related ones or mainly mining ones).  At some stage after pirate had happened, usagi suggested that the company cut out the middle-man and move into mining themselves - so they no longer had to pay a percentage of revenue to an operator.  I believe this was approved in a vote by investors.

BMF was given (I believe - not sure on this) a mining rig by usagi, raised some funds and pre-ordered more mining gear.  This was listed in the asset spreadsheet for BMF.

Then GLBSE shut-down.

In a thread, usagi made the following post (below is only first 2/3 of it - the last 1/3 is irrelevant to my point.  Follow the link if you want to see whole post.

Second point, GLBSE is gone and so are all my companies. So this thread is completely and utterly meaningless.

So you think you can just keep all your clients and investors coins?

What coins are you referring to? Client's coins; yes, I will definately be keeping my client's coins that they paid, and completing my obligation to them. The only remaining client I am aware of is ABM, who prepaid for a year on insurance for one FPGA single. So yes, I will be keeping PsychoticBoy's coins, why on earth would I give them back?

Investor's coins --> See this is why you are a fucktard. First, I *just* said I will be paying back the loans I took out. So you can't read. Second point, I *just* said that everything we had was invested on GLBSE, and I will be distributing claim codes as I get them. So what's your problem? Are you mentally retarded?

The original embedd edusagi quote says that ALL his companies had gone.  Puppet asks if that means usagi will keep investors coins.  Usagi then (amongst the usual insults) claims that "everything we had was invested on GLBSE".

This puzzled me - as how could BMF's mining rigs/pre-orders be on GLBSE?  Maybe it was just a typo and he meant to say "Most of our assets are on GLBSE but I'll distribute the proceeds from sale/cancellation of the mining rigs" - but accidentally mistyped a few words.

So I asked :

Second point, I *just* said that everything we had was invested on GLBSE, and I will be distributing claim codes as I get them. So what's your problem? Are you mentally retarded?

How did the mining rigs on order for your mining fund get to be invested on GLBSE?  Are you going to cancel those orders and share the BTC amonst your shareholders?  Or are you hoping they'll be forgotten and you can keep them?  You've said a few times in this thread that EVERYTHING you had was invested on GLBSE - yet that isn't actually true is it?

Surely now, usagi will just say "Oops - forgot about those - obviously the proceeds from those will go back to BMF investors.".  Well, that's not exactly what he said:

Second point, I *just* said that everything we had was invested on GLBSE, and I will be distributing claim codes as I get them. So what's your problem? Are you mentally retarded?

How did the mining rigs on order for your mining fund get to be invested on GLBSE?  Are you going to cancel those orders and share the BTC amonst your shareholders?  Or are you hoping they'll be forgotten and you can keep them?  You've said a few times in this thread that EVERYTHING you had was invested on GLBSE - yet that isn't actually true is it?

Lol just fuck off dude. You got nothing, and the best you can do is necroaccount and necrothread.

Well OK - obviously he doesn't like me very much, but at least now I've reminded him about the mining rigs.

But what's this?  Oh a scammer thread about me (and others).  I can't quote the thread - as usagi locked it to prevent those he accused from responding (and in the hope his theft attempt wouldn't be noticed).  But here's a link to it:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=127096.0

In brief he alleges that I (and others) made false accusations against him to try to ruin his business.  Amongst the ones against me is #10:

"10. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=114820.msg1271394#msg1271394
"You've said a few times in this thread that EVERYTHING you had was invested on GLBSE - yet that isn't actually true is it?"
During the times BMF had hardware on order I had never failed to mention that. A shareholder motion was created over the issue of buying hardware. I made a very public series of posts about it. I never once tried to hide the fact we had a small amount of hardware. I mentioned it several times in PM to various creditors."

This is wierd - my post he links very clearly quotes a post in which he says ALL his assets are on GLBSE and he's now accusing me or attempting to defraud him by saying that's not true.  So is he saying BMF doesn't have any hardware any longer?

Later in the thread the truth starts to come out:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=127096.msg1349684#msg1349684

If you read this post you immediately see the problem of arguing with usagi.  Usagi states they had hardware (so what I said was correct - it was untrue to say all assets were on GLBSE) then says : "If you weren't lying, just go away. if you were lying.. just go away. "  Given that the issue I was accused of lieing about was whether BMF had assets non on GLBSE, and given usagi had in that same post said BMF had hardware, how can there possibly be ANY confusion over the fact that I was telling the truth?

So: It was just a misunderstanding - and usagi now has been reminded about the hardware.

But wait - what's this? (from the last linked post):

"I confirmed in private to loan-holders hardware had arrived. one offered to exchange the single for the debt. I turned him down until I get the info from nefario."  So usagi was considering giving the single to loan-holders when the info from nefario arrived.  That's strange - as the hardware belongs to BMF and the loan is guaranteed by CPA/usagi personally, not by BMF (if disputed can dig out the loan thread).

A bit strange that usagi had been discussing the hardware with loan-holders (who have nothing to do with BMF) but then he accused me of scamming when I said he had hardware.  Kind of looks like he realised he couldn't get away with pretending the hardware didn't exist any longer so gave up on it - and then locked the thread accusing me, so I couldn't even reply any more (temporarily unlocking it very briefly to post an "update" in which the village idiot Augusto stated usagi was innocent).

But that's not the end of it.  Now lets look back 2 days previous to the scammer accusation by usagi (only part of post quoted):

First, it's important to note that I ran funds -- similar to S^2 capital management (ran by Smickles and imsaguy), or Gamma Bitcoin Fund, ran by DeadTerra. However, in contrast to S^2 and GBF, everything that my companies held was held on the GLBSE. I think, BMF might have had 20 bitcoins in it when GLBSE shut down; we also ordered 2 FPGA singles. So besides that everything we held was on the GLBSE.

So, first of all, I do not have any kind of massive amount of bitcoins, nor do I have any physical assets that are owned by anyone.

So 2 days previously they had 2 pre-orders and no physical assets.  But ""I confirmed in private to loan-holders hardware had arrived.""

Remember for later the claim "we also ordered 2 FPGA singles. So besides that everything we held was on the GLBSE."  

Fast forward a few days and we have this:

GOOD NEWS!
I have received the list of YARR holders.


GOOD NEWS! Loanholders have announced interest to buy:

a) the guitar and amp I am selling
b) the hardware I have recieved

These loanholders have also given me permission to confirm that I have done this once the deals have gone thru and equipment has been verified working.

This means I will get almost 250 BTC towards paying off what CPA owes! This, along with the BTC-MINING (see post #2) and YARR news, is FANTASTIC. I'm absolutely ecstatic at this. Please continue to make claims as advertised in the OP. As mentioned you have until the end of January 2013 to make your claim. Thank you.

This has been a good couple of days for resolving the GLBSE fiasco. Please let's hope it continues and this all gets worked out in the end.

Now lets put these things in date order:

Nov 18th: "we also ordered 2 FPGA singles. So besides that everything we held was on the GLBSE.

So, first of all, I do not have any kind of massive amount of bitcoins, nor do I have any physical assets that are owned by anyone."

Nov 21st: Accuses me of attempting to defraud when I said he had assets of BMF's that weren't on GLBSE.  Then changes his mind (but STILL claims I was lieing) and says:

Nov 21st : "I confirmed in private to loan-holders hardware had arrived. one offered to exchange the single for the debt. I turned him down until I get the info from nefario."

So one of the 2 FPGA singles must have arrived between 18th and 21st.  Usagi won't use the singles to pay off CPA debt until  info has arrived from nefario.

Nov 21st : In same post usagi again iconfirms the hardware is only FPGA singles : "Look if I said that it means either the FPGA singles we now have on order either weren't ordered yet or hadn't arrived. "

Nov 22nd : "GOOD NEWS! Loanholders have announced interest to buy:

a) the guitar and amp I am selling
b) the hardware I have recieved

These loanholders have also given me permission to confirm that I have done this once the deals have gone thru and equipment has been verified working."

That's strange - as no info had arrived from nefario.  On 21st he rejects the offer and on 22nd he announces it?

Now onto a different thread and Nov 26th:

This message regards loan holders (and loan holders solely) of CPA. For other claimants please e-mail nyan@tsukino.ca, or wait until the GLBSE has sent me the list of asset holders and your claim will be processed automagically.

First point.
1. Due to the closing of GLBSE, CPA has ceased to exist. All of our assets were on the GLBSE so we have no money and no operations and no income from operations.
2. Before GLBSE closed, BMF ordered a few FPGA and ASIC singles.
3. Both I myself, and CPA, owned 800 and change shares of BMF.
4. Therefore I have valid, personal claim on these singles, as does CPA.
5. Therefore this FPGA will be sold to pay off a loanholder (jborkl).
STATUS: I'm boxing and shipping it today. I will update this post with links to the receipt and tracking number later.

Suddenly 2 FPGAs (on the 18th that was the only pre-orders and they had no hardware) has become "a few FPGA and ASIC singles".  And usagi is helping himself to one to pay off a CPA debt (note: usagi later claimed this would be deducted from CPA's share of BMF settlement so it's NOT necessarily an attempt to scam).

Are we really expected to believe that on 18th usagi only rememberd 2 singles, on 21st he forgot and he had any hardware at all (and accused me of lieing when I said he had assets not on GLBSE) then on 26th he suddenly remembers there's some other hardware as well?

Or could it be that he on 18th he tried to pretend BMF only had preorders for 2 singles, he then agreed to give one to a CPA debtor and was hoping noone would notice when he started claiming ALL his assets were on GLBSE.

Then on 21st he took his attempt to steal them a stage further - accusing me of lieing when I said he had assets that weren't on GLBSE.  Look carefully at the wording:

"During the times BMF had hardware on order I had never failed to mention that. "  Past tense - "had never failed to mention it" - not "have failed to mentioned it."  He is saying that I was lieing when I claimed he still had assets not on GLBSE and that when he did have pre-orders, he disclosed it.

Later same day he realises the game is up and admits to having 2 FPGA singles - then locks the thread in the hope it'll die and noone will notice how he was attempting to steal from BMF.  Note that we KNOW he hadn't got rid of the single then - as on 22nd he announces it's going to be used to pay off a CPA debt.

He very clearly was pretending not to have any mining hardware -  to the extent of lodging a complaint over my 'lies' in the scammer forum.  Why did he then admit to having them?  Can only speculate on that - but most likely he realised he'd previously been quoted as having them (and had mentioned it on the 18th) and, whilst he can delete his own posts/website showing what his companies had, he can't delete other people's quotes of his posts.

And how do you forget you ordered an ASIC (and 2 jalapenos) whilst remembering the 2 FPGA singles?

Not only did he try to scam - but when I pointed it he had the bare-faced cheek to accuse ME of trying to defraud him in exposing HIS scam attempt.

If it's of any relevance, the pre-orders he actually had (or claimed to have) less than a week before GLBSE closed were:

2 Bitforce Singles
2 Jalapeno
1 Bitforce 'SC' single

1527  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Usagi - is he or isn't he a scammer. on: December 30, 2012, 07:02:33 PM
Usagi claims to have consulted and paid an "Internet defamation lawyer"  to investigate EskimoBob's Defination claims as part of his intimidation yet  he can not provide an invoice that this fee was paid nor even a name of he lawyer.
1528  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Usagi - is he or isn't he a scammer. on: December 30, 2012, 06:57:56 PM
Usagi Used Threats and intimidation to silence critics.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=133819.msg1426051#msg1426051
1529  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Usagi - is he or isn't he a scammer. on: December 30, 2012, 06:55:05 PM
Usgai also repeatedly states:

 "...the contract clearly stated I would provide value through analysis.."

which I assume to mean that his analysis allows him to value his assets even if his analysis is wrong  - which others including Usagni have pointed out was wrong not only due to faulty analysis but also due to bad math or incorrect of calculating formulas.

Does that make his inaccurate valuations ok.  I would think not.  

This is again an example of Usagi shirking his fiduciary responsibility.

  
1530  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Usagi - is he or isn't he a scammer. on: December 30, 2012, 06:43:07 PM
EskimoBob has responded in the other thread.  He is the second investor who claims to have lost fund do to Usgai's inaccurate valuations.

Hello Eskimo bob. Good to hear from you as you name has come up quite frequently. So far usgai has been accused of and evidence has been provided that he:

Misvalued assets
Lied about assets owned
Tried to use company assets to pay off a personal loan
Deleted material evidence supporting this activity to cover up this activity
And refuses to supply specific facts to support his claims and instead spAms the threads

1.  Did you lose any funds as as result of usgai misrepresenting his various businesses and assets?
2. What facts can you provide that may support or refute these claims

Thanks.

All the fact are in the forum posts by me and multiple other people, who git fed up with constant BS.

Misvalued assets - yes
Tried to use company assets to pay off a personal loan - I can not recall at the moment all the details. Dig the forum, it's all here Smiley
Deleted material evidence supporting this activity to cover up this activity - yes. This has been proved in forums to ad nauseum  
And refuses to supply specific facts to support his claims and instead spAms the threads - yes. This has been proved in forums to ad nauseum  

1.  Did you lose any funds as as result of usgai misrepresenting his various businesses and assets? - yes, because information published (now deleted by usagi) was constantly wrong - that was discovered later.

2. What facts can you provide that may support or refute these claims - it's all in the forum post.
1531  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Usagi - is he or isn't he a scammer. on: December 30, 2012, 06:38:51 PM
Usagi claims to be following general accounting/inventing principals in valuing his assets and quotes a length the  Financial Accounting Standards Board which states in part:

"While internal inputs are used, the objective remains the same: estimate fair value using assumptions a third party would consider in estimating fair value."

However numerous third parties with access to Usagi's valuations claim that he was NOT fairly valuing his assets.  So again this is an example of Usagi using information "subjectively" to suit his position and omitting or ignoring relevant points that counter his position.


Usagi continues to provide NO FACTUAL information in his defense and when he does make statements they often end up supporting his detractors claims.

1532  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Usagi: falsifying NAVs, manipulating share prices and misleading investors. on: December 30, 2012, 05:22:40 PM
Hello Eskimo bob. Good to hear from you as you name has come up quite frequently. So far usgai has been accused of and evidence has been provided that he:

Misvalued assets
Lied about assets owned
Tried to use company assets to pay off a personal loan
Deleted material evidence supporting this activity to cover up this activity
And refuses to supply specific facts to support his claims and instead spAms the threads

1.  Did you lose any funds as as result of usgai misrepresenting his various businesses and assets?
2. What facts can you provide that may support or refute these claims

Thanks.
1533  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Usagi: falsifying NAVs, manipulating share prices and misleading investors. on: December 30, 2012, 04:15:20 PM
Damning indeed. 

Where are your supporters usgai and the anonymous investors who you quote as singing your praises?
1534  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Onus & Remedy in Scam Accusation Threads on: December 30, 2012, 04:08:16 PM
Usgai

9 posts - really?  Way to continue your Obfuscation.

You are still not answering the questions.
1535  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Onus & Remedy in Scam Accusation Threads on: December 30, 2012, 04:04:56 PM
Usgai

I do see what is going one here. I just won't twist my opinion to fit your distorted reality. I've repeatedly asked you for facts which you refuse to or cannot provide. You respond with more questions then link to thread after thread in your convoluted fashion. All they while others have provided clear evidence of your deception and delusion. And now you resort to attacking me and my character and lumping me with everyone else who has called you on your BS.

Ill repeat:  you can not bully or intimidate me. Facts do not lie. I'm sorry this does not fit in with your reality.

Ill update my other thread shortly.
1536  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Usagi: falsifying NAVs, manipulating share prices and misleading investors. on: December 30, 2012, 03:35:17 PM
Usgai you fucked up.

I'm sure there will be no end to your excuses but there remains little doubt that:

You manipulated your asset prices

You made material misstatements About your assets.

You lies about assets held

You tried to cover personal losses with company assets

And you deleted material information about your businesses both on bitcointalk.org and on your word press website - by your own admission.

GOODBYE.

1537  Other / Meta / Re: POLL: Sales of hacked, compromised, and/or unauthorized transfers of accounts. on: December 30, 2012, 02:59:42 PM
No I don't support this.  The bitcoin community/economy has enough troubles and misconceptions to overcome and bitcointalk.org should not be encouraging or supporting this kind of activity.
1538  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Onus & Remedy in Scam Accusation Threads on: December 30, 2012, 02:47:20 PM
Usagi

In your opinion you used "fair market value".  That is what "third parties" are disputing.

Why is your "proof" in a parenthetical undocumented clause?

Because you have no facts to back up you claims. And if you can't support your claims with facts there are not true. You even admit to destroying/deleting material evidence.

I repeat. This is not looking good for you.

Thank you for restating my current summation.
1539  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Onus & Remedy in Scam Accusation Threads on: December 30, 2012, 02:13:46 PM
Usgai your continued Obfuscation will not work here. Nor will I repeat myself to aid in your Obfuscation.
1540  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Onus & Remedy in Scam Accusation Threads on: December 30, 2012, 01:42:23 PM
Deprived

That is what we are trying to do here: find proof.

I look forward to reading your message.
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