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2241  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][NOTE]DNotes - Company Launch and Book for Small Business Owners in 2016... on: January 30, 2016, 03:40:18 PM
Blockchain Weekly Recap 1-30-2016

Goldman Sachs Podcast Extols Blockchain Ability to Drive Change.
New Details on R3 Distributed Ledger Bank Experiment.
Blockchain Capital Startup Fund Sealed with $13 Million Raised.
Japan’s BitFlyer Creates Blockchain Startup Fund.
Republican Congressman Scheduled to Address March Blockchain Summit in DC.

http://dcebrief.com/blockchain-weekly-recap-1-30-2016/
2242  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][NOTE]DNotes - Company Launch and Book for Small Business Owners in 2016... on: January 30, 2016, 03:46:11 AM

Great post Mark, I agree on the P2P trading if it can be done safely with trusted members. I would recommend working with IMZ if anyone is interested in P2P trading.
2243  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][NOTE]DNotes - Company Launch and Book for Small Business Owners in 2016... on: January 29, 2016, 08:36:35 PM

#3 is what I was most worried about, but if precautions can be taken to avoid that I'm in. I'll donate .025 Bitcoin toward purchasing a trade bot for the DNotes community (if anyone else is interested).


I will contribute as well.

No contributions needed whatsoever for it. I just need your ideas on the trading strategy.

Is it possible to program it to bid X% inside each bollinger band? My other suggestion is cues to buy and sell when the price moves X% up or down in a specific timeframe.

I'm not an experienced trader by any means, more of a "cowboy" who got lucky early on, so please disregard if this doesn't make sense.

Good good. Makes perfect sense. I haven't explored the math behind bollinger bands, but I'm positive it's possible, especially if we use more simplified techniques.

Your second one targets market stabilization? And assumes you have an amount of DNotes and Bitcoin available? Which only trades when a swing occurs?

Keep them coming.


Exactly what I was thinking on the second one.

I did some quick research and the outer bollinger bands are 2 "standard deviations" away from the middle bollinger band (which is simply the moving average). Standard deviation is calculated by following these steps:
1. Calculate the average (mean) price for the number of periods or observations.
2. Determine each period's deviation (close less average price).
3. Square each period's deviation.
4. Sum the squared deviations.
5. Divide this sum by the number of observations.
6. The standard deviation is then equal to the square root of that number.

For more information about calculating standard deviation, including examples, visit: http://stockcharts.com/school/doku.php?id=chart_school:technical_indicators:standard_deviation_volatility

Thank you for that.

The game plan would be to have a small light weight bot for each strategy. You would have a separate exchange account assigned to your bot. This would make it easy to run multiple strategies on multiple accounts.

So far the ideas for bots are (I will elaborate on features and options later):
Hold the Line - Ensures there is always a buy order with a given price range.
Market Stabilizer - Watches the market for swings in price and reacts to it to stabilize the market. (Without trying to hinder market growth*)
Accumulator - Slowly buys and competes at the best market price.
Bollinger Bands - bid X% inside each bollinger band.
Profit Model Accumulator - Buys low and sells higher with the intention of accumulating DNotes through small profit trades.

Feel free to throw out more ideas, strategies, and discuss what we have so far.
2244  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][NOTE]DNotes - Company Launch and Book for Small Business Owners in 2016... on: January 29, 2016, 04:17:23 PM

#3 is what I was most worried about, but if precautions can be taken to avoid that I'm in. I'll donate .025 Bitcoin toward purchasing a trade bot for the DNotes community (if anyone else is interested).


I will contribute as well.

No contributions needed whatsoever for it. I just need your ideas on the trading strategy.

Is it possible to program it to bid X% inside each bollinger band? My other suggestion is cues to buy and sell when the price moves X% up or down in a specific timeframe.

I'm not an experienced trader by any means, more of a "cowboy" who got lucky early on, so please disregard if this doesn't make sense.

Good good. Makes perfect sense. I haven't explored the math behind bollinger bands, but I'm positive it's possible, especially if we use more simplified techniques.

Your second one targets market stabilization? And assumes you have an amount of DNotes and Bitcoin available? Which only trades when a swing occurs?

Keep them coming.
2245  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][NOTE]DNotes - Company Launch and Book for Small Business Owners in 2016... on: January 29, 2016, 03:59:54 PM
Bitcoin Weekly Recap 1-29-2016

Europol Reports Casts Doubt on Claims That Bitcoin Funds Terror.
New Hampshire Legislators Fail to Obtain State Acceptance of Bitcoin.
BitMine Wins Prize at Miami Hackathon.
UK’s SpectroCoin Releases New Bitcoin Debit Cards.
Belgium Increasing Efforts to Counter Bitcoin Fraud.

http://dcebrief.com/bitcoin-weekly-recap-1-29-2016/
2246  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][NOTE]DNotes - Company Launch and Book for Small Business Owners in 2016... on: January 29, 2016, 03:26:21 PM

#3 is what I was most worried about, but if precautions can be taken to avoid that I'm in. I'll donate .025 Bitcoin toward purchasing a trade bot for the DNotes community (if anyone else is interested).


I will contribute as well.

No contributions needed whatsoever for it. I just need your ideas on the trading strategy.
2247  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][NOTE]DNotes - Company Launch and Book for Small Business Owners in 2016... on: January 29, 2016, 04:03:21 AM
Whatever trading strategy we would implement would be open and public. As with all bots.

If you are building a bot to have a positive impact on the market, a couple things are unavoidable, at least as far as I can figure in thinking it through.
1) It will eventually get 'stuck' if the DNotes price does not go up. (So price drag won't be able to profit from our bot)
2) It won't adjust it's sell orders once they have been set automatically. (The bot can't be manipulated into a sell / dump position, that is just not an option for this type of trading strategy)
3) We will have to program it to avoid rapid price increases. (So humans can't pump and dump us.)
4) The trading timeframe will have to be elongated. For instance, if you have 1 bitcoin to use for this trading bot, and you will want to limit the amount it can potentially trade in a given day. If you want to ensure you can trade for 30 days, the bot can only spend .034 daily. It may have a higher daily trading volume though.

So all in all, I'm not too worried about manipulation trading against the bots. One of the key vulnerabilities in trading bots is it will constantly be swapping between buy and sell positions and readjusting it's strategy to attempt to make a profit. I won't say a positive market trading bot would be impervious to manipulation, but it just seems very unlikely.

As always, I want to hear everyone's opinion, if I am wrong, let me know.

Just to make sure I'm understanding this correctly, would the bot help an individual trader make a profit while also helping to support the DNotes price? If so, how would that work?

The only way I've come up with to make a profit is in DNotes. Buy as low as you can, sell it higher for the same amount of bitcoin back, yielding a 'profit' in DNotes.

Other than that, the bot could be used to buy slowly at the best possible price. Instead of saying I have 1 bitcoin and just buying what is available for sale at that point in time. Of course not a profit model really, but would help the user get more DNotes. Taking more DNotes off the market with the same amount of money helps the market as well.
2248  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][NOTE]DNotes - Company Launch and Book for Small Business Owners in 2016... on: January 29, 2016, 03:35:31 AM
All, I've been considering putting together a trading bot that would have a positive influence on coin price over an extended period of time. It can be a profit creating bot, for example, if you believe the DNotes price is going up over time, it could try to profit in DNotes while maintaining an amount of bitcoin. I have some ideas for the algorithm but first I would like to gauge interest in such a bot and your thoughts on trading strategies that make sense while having a positive impact on the coins price and help maintain the market.

1) Who is interested? I need everyone who would be on board to speak up.
2) What type of trading strategies would think to be useful?

Disclaimer, the trading bot would be written in dotnet, very little effort would go into ease of use and design. IE it won't be pretty, just functional.

Today bots work against the market and against each other, we need to think in terms of a symbiotic relationship with the market and other users of this bot. Of course we can include a profit model, and slow accumulation strategy as well.

If we wind up with something useful, we can always request new functionality with Sampey (CAT).

I honestly do not know how to use trading bots, but I would be interested in learning. I probably would have to start by selling some DNotes (so that I'd have Bitcoin). Is this trading back and forth, like selling higher and buying lower?

Essentially the only thing a bot does is automate a trading strategy for you. It would connect to your trading account via API and perform trades for you. Usually you open a new trading account dedicated just to your bot trading.

I would check this out:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=507103.0
In the second post, you can see Sampey's "ping pong" trading strategy. Which is basically just buy low, sell high.

Not to sound pessimistic, but I'm somewhat leary about bots simply because of the experiences I had trading against them. As soon as the bots trade signal patterns became evident, it was easy to exploit them for big profit. This became harder to do as buy/sell spreads narrowed on most currencies. However I am on board for trying it out, as I've never used a trading bot personally and would be interested in learning how they work. TeeGee's idea of a bot that would benefit all stakeholders sounds like a good plan.

Whichever trading strategy is implemented needs to be changed on a regular basis, so people don't catch on.

Whatever trading strategy we would implement would be open and public. As with all bots.

If you are building a bot to have a positive impact on the market, a couple things are unavoidable, at least as far as I can figure in thinking it through.
1) It will eventually get 'stuck' if the DNotes price does not go up. (So price drag won't be able to profit from our bot)
2) It won't adjust it's sell orders once they have been set automatically. (The bot can't be manipulated into a sell / dump position, that is just not an option for this type of trading strategy)
3) We will have to program it to avoid rapid price increases. (So humans can't pump and dump us.)
4) The trading timeframe will have to be elongated. For instance, if you have 1 bitcoin to use for this trading bot, and you will want to limit the amount it can potentially trade in a given day. If you want to ensure you can trade for 30 days, the bot can only spend .034 daily. It may have a higher daily trading volume though.

So all in all, I'm not too worried about manipulation trading against the bots. One of the key vulnerabilities in trading bots is it will constantly be swapping between buy and sell positions and readjusting it's strategy to attempt to make a profit. I won't say a positive market trading bot would be impervious to manipulation, but it just seems very unlikely.

As always, I want to hear everyone's opinion, if I am wrong, let me know.
2249  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][NOTE]DNotes - Company Launch and Book for Small Business Owners in 2016... on: January 29, 2016, 01:38:14 AM
All, I've been considering putting together a trading bot that would have a positive influence on coin price over an extended period of time. It can be a profit creating bot, for example, if you believe the DNotes price is going up over time, it could try to profit in DNotes while maintaining an amount of bitcoin. I have some ideas for the algorithm but first I would like to gauge interest in such a bot and your thoughts on trading strategies that make sense while having a positive impact on the coins price and help maintain the market.

1) Who is interested? I need everyone who would be on board to speak up.
2) What type of trading strategies would think to be useful?

Disclaimer, the trading bot would be written in dotnet, very little effort would go into ease of use and design. IE it won't be pretty, just functional.

Today bots work against the market and against each other, we need to think in terms of a symbiotic relationship with the market and other users of this bot. Of course we can include a profit model, and slow accumulation strategy as well.

If we wind up with something useful, we can always request new functionality with Sampey (CAT).

I honestly do not know how to use trading bots, but I would be interested in learning. I probably would have to start by selling some DNotes (so that I'd have Bitcoin). Is this trading back and forth, like selling higher and buying lower?

Essentially the only thing a bot does is automate a trading strategy for you. It would connect to your trading account via API and perform trades for you. Usually you open a new trading account dedicated just to your bot trading.

I would check this out:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=507103.0
In the second post, you can see Sampey's "ping pong" trading strategy. Which is basically just buy low, sell high.
2250  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][NOTE]DNotes - Company Launch and Book for Small Business Owners in 2016... on: January 29, 2016, 12:54:42 AM
All, I've been considering putting together a trading bot that would have a positive influence on coin price over an extended period of time. It can be a profit creating bot, for example, if you believe the DNotes price is going up over time, it could try to profit in DNotes while maintaining an amount of bitcoin. I have some ideas for the algorithm but first I would like to gauge interest in such a bot and your thoughts on trading strategies that make sense while having a positive impact on the coins price and help maintain the market.

1) Who is interested? I need everyone who would be on board to speak up.
2) What type of trading strategies would think to be useful?

Disclaimer, the trading bot would be written in dotnet, very little effort would go into ease of use and design. IE it won't be pretty, just functional.

Today bots work against the market and against each other, we need to think in terms of a symbiotic relationship with the market and other users of this bot. Of course we can include a profit model, and slow accumulation strategy as well.

If we wind up with something useful, we can always request new functionality with Sampey (CAT).
2251  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][NOTE]DNotes - Company Launch and Book for Small Business Owners in 2016... on: January 29, 2016, 12:54:11 AM
DNotes blockchain is available for download at CryptoChainer.com to get your wallet in sync quickly

Welcome to the DNotes thread steve321, that is a good idea.
2252  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][NOTE]DNotes - Company Launch and Book for Small Business Owners in 2016... on: January 28, 2016, 07:17:49 PM
This post on the Devcoin thread by a long time holder and supporter of Devcoin does a great job of illustrating the great need for a truly ethical exchange. At this point exchanges are by definition centralized, although I know that there is work being done to create truly decentralized ones. Some primitive models include the NXT asset exchange and other asset exchanges on coin platforms that run on similar principles as NXT. At this point the decentralized ones still have their problems, but one central entity losing or stealing all the funds isn't one of them.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=233997.msg13702343#msg13702343

Good points Wiser. Are any of the decentralized exchanges gaining traction in terms of volume?

I don't know for sure, but I doubt it, based on the way they work. For example, the NXT asset exchange allows people to issue an asset which then has a market value in NXT. Sometimes those assets represent other coins, but they aren't the actual coins. Let's say I hold 100,000 DNotes, and I decide I want to see them traded on the NXT exchange. I would issue 100,000 assets, each one representing one DNote. Then people are free to buy and sell them in NXT. When someone wants to trade their asset for actual DNotes, they would have to contact me and they transfer their assets to me, and I send them actual DNotes. Some coins do trade this way, but as you can see it's very clunky. What is missing (as of my current understanding) is a way to put actual coins on such a decentralized exchange. I believe the NEM platform is geared to allow for that, but it's still in development and I don't understand the technical details. Right now the exchanges that are functional are run on a centralized platform, which means that when you send coins to it, they're not actually *your* coins any longer, but technically belong to the exchange. Of course the honest ones hold them for your use, but the reality is that at any time they can take them away from you as long as you keep them there.

One possible intermediate solution would be if whenever a user is issued an address on an exchange, that address comes with its private key. This would enable the user to access his funds in the event that he can't access the exchange (website down or whatever). I don't know of any exchanges that do this, but online Bitcoin wallet provider BitGo and online Neucoin wallet provider MyNeuCoin both issue private keys with their wallets and strongly encourage users to keep them backed up in a secure place. It seems to me it would be feasible for an exchange to do this, but I could be missing some difficulty or expense concerning this.

The idealized reason for government regulation is to keep these financial companies honest, specifically because whether they are a bank or an exchange, we are entrusting them with our funds or assets and expect our funds and assets to be kept safe. Insurance (such as FDIC) is supposed to protect the users in the event of a theft, and the other regulations are supposed to ensure the financial entity is actually keeping those funds and assets safe on behalf of their customers.

But all the regulations and insurance in the world don't make up for lack of ethics on the part of the financial institution owners.

And although I think trustless systems are definitely worth exploring, I'm not sure they can make up for lack of ethics among the humans either.

I can see why they have had very limited success. That is similar to what you can do with Ethereum. It sounds like something that may be possible with InterLedger, if they are successful.
2253  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][NOTE]DNotes - Company Launch and Book for Small Business Owners in 2016... on: January 28, 2016, 05:14:11 PM
This post on the Devcoin thread by a long time holder and supporter of Devcoin does a great job of illustrating the great need for a truly ethical exchange. At this point exchanges are by definition centralized, although I know that there is work being done to create truly decentralized ones. Some primitive models include the NXT asset exchange and other asset exchanges on coin platforms that run on similar principles as NXT. At this point the decentralized ones still have their problems, but one central entity losing or stealing all the funds isn't one of them.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=233997.msg13702343#msg13702343

Good points Wiser. Are any of the decentralized exchanges gaining traction in terms of volume?
2254  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] PayServices Multi-Value Exchange & ButterflyBits Crypto Rewards on: January 28, 2016, 04:40:41 PM
Congratulations PayServices team!

This is a massive project and a lot of effort has gone into the development of it. Wishing you all the best of luck from the DNotes team and community, you have our support!
2255  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][NOTE]DNotes - Company Launch and Book for Small Business Owners in 2016... on: January 28, 2016, 04:32:08 PM
PayServices has their own thread on BitcoinTalk now. I encourage everyone to check it out and show our support from the DNotes community.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1343724.new#new

2256  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][NOTE]DNotes - Company Launch and Book for Small Business Owners in 2016... on: January 28, 2016, 04:09:03 PM
Hi There,

I'm from down under in New Zealand and new to the forum.
I'm looking forward to learning a lot more about the wonderful world of cryptocurrency.

C.

Welcome to DNotes, CeEichler and thanks for making your first stop here. There is certainly a lot to learn in the digital currency world. If you are a student, be sure to check out DNotesVault to get some free DNotes:http://dnotesvault.com/crisp-for-students.php

You may also want to visit DCEBrief to keep up with current events happening in our industry:  http://www.dcebrief.com/


Welcome CeEichler to the DNotes thread!
2257  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][NOTE]DNotes - Company Launch and Book for Small Business Owners in 2016... on: January 28, 2016, 04:05:04 PM

http://dcebrief.com/op-ed-politics-money-and-wealth-inequality-how-fiat-money-and-the-political-system-entrench-wealth-inequality-and-what-you-can-do-about-it/
2258  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][NOTE]DNotes - Company Launch and Book for Small Business Owners in 2016... on: January 28, 2016, 04:16:09 AM
Some great advice I probably could have written myself Wink

http://www.coindesk.com/dont-listen-mainstream-media-bitcoin-blockchain/

This is my favorite:

"Do people buy drugs with bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies? Yep! That’s because it is money. People use digital money to buy goods just like they use paper cash. Paper cash, for the record, is still the most common way to buy such party goods."

That’s because it is money.

The best part of it is that, one day, DNotes will not only be equal to fiat currency in meeting the full functions of money, but it will be superior to fiat currency.

I personally think the way DNotes is structured will make it superior to all cryptocurrencies in the long run. This may not happen for 20 years, but it's become very apparent that loyal DNotes supporters are in this for the long haul, not for instant gratification. New technology can be replicated, timing and quality leadership are traits that only come with years of experience.

Alan has been in business for 40 years! The majority of our industry wasn't even alive when Alan Yong's company developed one of the computer industry's first palmtop computers.

I have complete faith in DNotes and feel that this is a great time to buy (even though everyone says that about their currency). I also think this low price is a great way to shed weak hands, taking away control from those who don't truly believe in DNotes' core mission, and who may have a larger impact at higher prices.

Thank you CryptoBroker, it will take some time, but we anticipate in the next year or so we should be able to realize some level of growing success. We have to move slowly in order to not sacrifice the long term goals by taking on large investment early. However, there are exciting things with potential turning points just around the corner. I'm very excited to see where we are sitting by the end of 2016 and early 2017.
2259  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][NOTE]DNotes - Company Launch and Book for Small Business Owners in 2016... on: January 27, 2016, 09:32:03 PM
Just FYI, if DCEBrief goes offline tonight, we are just performing some maintenance upgrades. Also checking out an issue that won't allow you to post comments.
2260  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][NOTE]DNotes - Company Launch and Book for Small Business Owners in 2016... on: January 27, 2016, 08:08:56 PM
My, how time flies when you're having fun! My apologies for being away so long. Three kids, and a management role in scaling an awesome technology to the masses, and learning Data Science...I have no time to breathe. But I really should be more involved in forums like this, at any rate.

I've been a supporter of DNotes from moment 1. I built a sexy little mining rig and pointed it towards Litecoin for a bit, until I could find the right new coin to mine from moment one. The vision of DNotes has fascinated me from the first moment. Shared stake, with the proper technical bits (kimoto gravity well, bonus mining, and all that) to ensure a solid proliferation of the coins into many hands, with no BS like IPOing and all that.

I had the wonderful opportunity to meet Alan for lunch in the beginning. It was quite clear that the vision wasn't smoke and mirrors. This was going to be a different kind of coin, at the forefront of a fundamentally new age. Since the days of the Lydians, society was underpinned by species-backed currency. Then the US came along last century and introduced fiat-backed currency. And now thanks to Bitcoin, we have a new era, math-based currency.

All of us know that this is going to change the game, and that not all coins will be left standing long-term. In fact, most seem to pretty much die on the vine. Not DNotes. ECEBrief, CryptoMoms.com, the CRISP family of vehicles, and all of that....indicate that DNotes is focused on adding value to the ecosystem for the long-term.

Just like the devs said they would years ago when DNotes started.

I do wonder though, what is behind the price action? Everytime I think about seeing how DNotes is doing, it slips a few spots on CoinMarketCap.com; what do you folks think?

And keep up the amazing Innovation! Maybe soon my firm will be acquired, and then I can actually broaden out my interests and be more active on the forums :-)

Very good to see you again MiningHabit. Thank you for the support.

As much as we feel DNotes is undervalued at the moment, we realize that it may still take some time for everyone else to catch on. It should become more apparent by the time we release Alan's new book and form the new for profit company.
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