This is my only comment on this situation for the time being: You set a negative trust without undeniable evidence and cannot explain your position. For a year there has been no dialogue. DT is needed to protect forum against scammers, alts and bots, not for express your personal opinion about someone. You have abused your power and compromised DT.
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Good luck with this, you will need it. He's talking about peloso I believe. This is also me trying very hard not to be insulting given the absurd way this is being handled by them. The two moderators should be helping de-escalating from the other side, but they have always been useless. |
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You set a negative trust without undeniable evidence and cannot explain your position. For a year there has been no dialogue. DT is needed to protect forum against scammers, alts and bots, not for express your personal opinion about someone. You have abused your power and compromised DT.
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Good luck with this, you will need it. He's talking about peloso I believe. |
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Hello there,
First of all, I don't fit the criterias.. I tried to create my custom trust-list this week however isn't easy, you add one guy (DT0) and have to remove a lot of users (DT1-2)..
Our community is small, there's like 30 active users at its maximum, it's hard to see scammers, sometimes we find a translator doing a crap job however @Lauda always tagged them quickly..
And now @Adriano (local mod) is on DT2, so I think it's enough.
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Well, if he is active enough and you people are satisfied with him as a community then that is sufficient[1]. We really should not be uncessarily expanding an already large DT list IMO.
[1] If/when this changes, then you should probably come back here. Thanks for the numerous reports; I've ran out of things to tag for ATM.  |
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(still not sure why I was given an exclusion)
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I have already answered this. Me and a lot of people around me got excluded solely out of spite whilst the user claims not wanting to involve emotions into this. 
The ironic part, though, is that this kind of "self-created" list is in the uncanny valley of what we want. The point of the new system is to encourage making your own lists.
Unfortunately, the Russian community has missed the mark slightly if they decide to create another centralized list.
It's not really, no. You're encouraged to create your own list whilst not excluding everything that took many years to establish. If you do that, then you're essentially nullifying the security provided by all those ratings. |
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Posting lies =/= posting an unpopular opinion. If you can't tag people for blatant lies, then the system loses quite a good share of its purpose. No wonder that so many people are confused about many things TBH.
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In my opinion experienced users should lead by example and to show a willingness to compromise.
Who exactly are the experienced users that should lead by example in the Russian section? The two moderators that can't even speak up but would rather side up with their own "people" even when they are in the wrong? TheFuzzStone who is preaching anti-DT propaganda (as a former DT1 member) and is playing games with his own list out of spite? Reputable forum members were meant, which have years of experience on the forum, not only in Russian locale. They could remind other users that is need to make trust lists with responsibility. I'm pretty sure that this has been stated several times in different forms in this thread alone. The people that were accused of colluding apparently don't understand it or do not want to understand it. The longer this goes on, the more it seems like a lost cause.
Don't snip out my description of the users that we are dealing with. |
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30747 11425 101872 38894 64507 60820 24140 164822 113670 51173 (I can do more if you give me the exact userIDs like above; I'm lazy) This. The most annoying part of this is fetching the UUID + name. |
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Pitting the top 10 or top 50 if it's not too much trouble! Against each other from Vod's most recognized users on Bitcointalk would be interesting. Nevermind. I read that link as top merit receivers!
Mine supports 50, but it is rather annoying to set that up. 50 UUIDs. |
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I know this person in other forums, and also I have not heard any negative reviews!
What is this? Are you looking to implicate yourself in fake vouching? |
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Trust me, those details are irrelevant and you've just created more work for yourself.  The details came out like this on their own, I didn't do anything for it Fair enough. I simplified it to 8 fixed UNIX timestamps. Could always trivially make it more or less detailed, but I don't see a reason to do this. The only reason I left it in, is to emphasize the graph starts the second theymos sent the first Merit. I've made it human readable now. Hmm, I think the default for this was 10 points where I only had 8 (or it may be due to me extending the graph size). As I previously said, it was quick hack I threw from your dump. Either way, I will probably redo it at some later time. At least we got double graph-making power now; should speed up things when one of us isn't around. |
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I quickly hacked it through 4 pages of excel. What details are missing? The chart type is just different. The chart type removes most of the details. -snip- Which is exactly what is supposed to do. You're forgetting who your target audience is and what information they actually need to see from these comparisons. Trust me, those details are irrelevant and you've just created more work for yourself.
I simplified it to 8 fixed UNIX timestamps. Could always trivially make it more or less detailed, but I don't see a reason to do this. |
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The owner of these "reasonable feedbacks with reference" is Lauda. Who want to see a full list, just check Lauda's trust.
All my ratings are valid (including those three). Stop pulling things out of context, especially when you don't even understand the system itself. This post will be probably the last post in this forum war, because I don't like wars. And the second thing -- I don't care what you think about me and especially what you think of my presence in DT1. You don't decide this. Just accept that fact.
We (aka all DT1 members) decide it, and we have decided to exclude you. Wake up from your delusions already. If theymos decides to exclude me -- I'm not gonna change my mind and I will continue to spread the info about DefaultTrust changes and the importance of personal DT0.
Wrong. You continue to spread dangerous propaganda that will lead to more newbies getting scammed. Why does this not surprise me given that people from that board are known to abuse just about anything? |
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The tad-lesser image quality is due to me avoiding manual upload. What did you use to create this? You're missing some details I quickly hacked it through 4 pages of excel. What details are missing? The chart type is just different. I would appreciate to have a graph between mdayonliner vs S_Therapist since 4th October 2018. Is it possible?
It's possible to adjust the starting date, but it's not worth adjusting everything just for the sake of it. You can see the trendline like this anyway. |
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2. Create a pinned topic in the Russian Newbie section on the importance of changing DefaultTrust to RuTrast
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That would be abuse of staff power. |
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What can I provide to prove that this account is really mine?
You can't, I've already told you. The fact that the message is written in Chinese I don’t remember, I don’t even remember where it was described a couple of months ago ...
Quoted for reference. *facepalm* |
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Nothing will be settled until they actually stop abusing the system and/or acting childish in response to criticism IMO.
In my opinion experienced users should lead by example and to show a willingness to compromise. Who exactly are the experienced users that should lead by example in the Russian section? The two moderators that can't even speak up but would rather side up with their own "people" even when they are in the wrong? TheFuzzStone who is preaching anti-DT propaganda (as a former DT1 member) and is playing games with his own list out of spite? Many members (not only in mentioned section) aren't taking "Trust settings" with due seriousness and they need gently explain that such behavior can harm the forum community. Theymos foresaw this situation and wrote that it is better to settle the conflict instead to engage in constant disputes. I still discourage retaliatory ratings, and with these changes I encourage people to try to "bury the hatchet" and de-escalate rather than trying to use any increased retaliatory power you now have.
I see two ways out of this: 1) They need to back down from their stupidity/collusion/manipulation and whatever it is that they are trying to do now. 2) All of them get excluded from all levels of DT by a supermajority of DT1 members, essentially leaving maybe 1 legitimate Russian DT2 member.
There are 3 now I believe, with 1 on his way out. |
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xaker74 send 55 merit to 6 farmer accounts. Just for reference user starting post on China local board 2015. Archived link here: http://archive.is/ixCDR and currently posting on Russian board. Most likely account hacked or bought. 9/4/2018 8:45:29 PM password changed
12/22/2018 6:57:25 AM password reset via email
12/31/2018 9:50:46 PM password changed Tagged. Hi, what evidence do I need to provide that my account has not been hacked or bought? Mail and password have been changed due to the loss of one of the memory cards with passwords. I know the guys from the forum can confirm that I am the owner of the account and conducted successful transactions. The account used to write Chinese, you are now writing in Russian. It is not your account; nothing you say or do will change this. How does writing in different languages in different branches affect my account? This is unfair! I want to figure it out and prove that the account is really mine! Password and email address has been changed by me. Please, what can I do to resolve this misunderstanding? Just give up already. You're wasting everyone's time. |
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I hope that members can reset their thinking.
A lot of the people that are currently distrusting each other are ultimately on the same side.
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No. I am fairly certain that this is not the case. You can clearly see that based on sent ratings, trust lists (mind the exclusions, the inclusions are more important) and how they approach the whole subject to begin with. |
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xaker74 send 55 merit to 6 farmer accounts. Just for reference user starting post on China local board 2015. Archived link here: http://archive.is/ixCDR and currently posting on Russian board. Most likely account hacked or bought. 9/4/2018 8:45:29 PM password changed
12/22/2018 6:57:25 AM password reset via email
12/31/2018 9:50:46 PM password changed Tagged. Hi, what evidence do I need to provide that my account has not been hacked or bought? Mail and password have been changed due to the loss of one of the memory cards with passwords. I know the guys from the forum can confirm that I am the owner of the account and conducted successful transactions. The account used to write Chinese, you are now writing in Russian. It is not your account; nothing you say or do will change this. |
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What are columns 4 and 5? "User from" & "user to"? Yes Thanks. Me versus actmyname and HCP please
The tad-lesser image quality is due to me avoiding manual upload. |
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