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2281  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 14, 2014, 04:58:50 PM
Loaded is offering a reward for information leading to the recovery of personal and client funds stored at MtGox:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=489950.0

EDIT: Loaded is a great whale, for those that don't know.  

I'm pretty surprised to learn he still has a sizable amount there. There was plenty of chance to arbitrage and get out in the last bubble, even with profit.

It was not sizable enough to warrant a flight to Japan. However, it is sizable enough to ruin my weekend.

Loaded has disappeared since his weekend got ruined by gox. Hope he's alright

I'm sure he's fine. Loosing money is always upsetting and I like loaded but he has plenty of coins to look at and cry, same cant be said for a lot of other people who lost their entire life savings.
2282  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 14, 2014, 03:53:46 PM
Sloppy would truly be an understatement if someone is actually paying you (highly?!) for financial analytics. It's more probable that you're plain out lying, because you can't be this thick even if you understand just the basic of finance.

If you would dig around the forums a bit, you should find that aminorex is one of the most knowledgeable posters around here. His way of stuffing tons of abstract concepts into one sentence might seem like pseudo-intellectual gibberish to some, but that's just because they don't see what the hell he means. I, too have my troubles with that sometimes Smiley

(I think he's the only poster ever whose intelligence got acknowledged by AnonyMint, that's got to count for something lol  Cheesy )


+1 thats quiet an achievment.

In other news blackcoin just made me 20BTC in the last day or two. Should be able to feed the kids for a short while Wink
2283  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 14, 2014, 01:49:35 PM
You chose to ignore them, you bought in didnt you, what makes you any better than anyone else.

Yeah and I bet the guys saying it from $1 are kicking themselves about the wealth they could have secured for themselves.

Who knows, $340 is as good of a bottom as any.

Or do you think that this is a bull trap and were only going down to previous YTL?

These faults weren't having an effect at the time when I bought.

They are stupid if they're kicking themselves for it. It's like kicking yourself after seeing the lottery numbers and saying "only if I chose 45, 5, 6, 11, 22 and 37". During this time there was only blind hope that bitcoin will be this big. No experienced, educated and knowledgeable investors got involved, so no skill was involved in seeing potential. Most of the ones who were involved then, were just dumb kids who got lucky at random google searches and got excited because they weren't skilled enough to assess the low probability of success.

Yes, that's what I thought, "who knows". Just some time ago you tried to present yourself as an skillful trader, but when asking some certainty on your predictions then the answer will always be "who knows". Because you really don't have a clue on what will happen. You aren't able enough to make proper analysis to support any of your predictions. You just make blind bets that have a 50/50 winning chance to you.

But I'm telling you with certainty, if there aren't new strong laws made to support the financial use of bitcoin in US or EU (I haven't considered China as an option for potential for a long time already), or if there aren't new markets opened with proper volume in new geographical locations, then this WAS NOT the bottom and it will drop more then 340$.

Yes, thats what I thought, of course these faults didnt matter when you were buying just when your not.

Your laughably wrong again, a lot of the early bitcoiners were far from dumb kids who got lucky from google searching, are you seriously that retarded? The majority of the early bitcoiners were older, well educated, skilled (most in cryptography) and saw and could understand the problems with "digital cash" that Satoshi has solved. An inordinate amount of skill and knowledge was required to see Bitcoins potential early. Your showing how little knowledge you posses of the history of Bitcoin.

Who knows was an ambiguous answer to an ambiguous question. Your basically asking will we see an ATH before a dip below $340 which is a question way too broad to give a definitive answer to. We could go to $1100 I could triple my money and then go down to  below $340 and I would still be wrong if I had said yes to your question.  I know your only trying to trap me in an answer but at this point it doesnt matter.

Comical how you ask me for a definitive answer then tell me your answer but with clauses that are open to interpretation to protect your prediction. Why would I say this is definately the bottom when all the Chinese exchanges could close tommorow? I dont need to make predictions like those when I can react the the market and news accordingly. I made my proper analysis and bought in the mid $350's I sold some of those coins today at +30% in 48 hours. I can now make predicitions on the next move . If we go down again I buy more all the time making money while you sit there making nothing on your very long term ambiguous assertions. Nobody has a crystal ball, nobody knows what will happen for sure but in the short term your loosing and the people your berating are winning. End of.

Yes, they didn't and that was the reason why the price rose from 200 to 1163. (I didn't sell at the exact top, but at around 1030). And now they do, and that's why the price has fell ever since. But you have no clue on what I'm talking about, do you?

These educated folks that you are talking about, were not and still are not into speculating with trading. Their interest in bitcoin was and is technical.
The traders, or a new race of beings, even lower in the foodchain, The Hodlers, were and still are mostly dumb kids who are not educated and don't have any experience in investing or trading.

I'm basicly telling you that you tried to pretend that you were certain that the price will rise from 340 to this, because you are a skilled short trader. I'm now giving you a chance to make a new solid short prediction where the price will be. You didn't even have to give the right number. Just say if this was the bottom or not. Is it really this hard to you? Where are your skills or are you telling me that you acted while not knowing on what you're doing?
My first point was, that you, me or anyone else can't predict the short term outcome of the current market movements. It's a blind bet to everyone and I would apprieciete it, if you wouldn't try to act like you knew what you were doing while buying sub 400.


This is the last reply I shall grace you with.

Comical again, and these faults magically didnt matter from 2-30 or the run up to 266, only when the price is going down. You speak as though 200-1200 was the only price rise in Bitcoins history.

I was confident that $350 was a good buy in point which it has proved to be you don't need any more evidence that I was confident about that other than the fact I bought. In fact thats stronger evidence than just saying it.

Your not asking for a solid SHORT prediction, you  didnt ask me if this was the bottom or not, you asked me if that was the bottom and were going straight to all time highs, thats one of the longest term speculations you can make at the moment. If you said will we go to the bottom in the next week that is a short term prediction.

"These educated folks that you are talking about, were not and still are not into speculating with trading. Their interest in bitcoin was and is technical.
The traders, or a new race of beings, even lower in the foodchain, The Hodlers, were and still are mostly dumb kids who are not educated and don't have any experience in investing or trading."

Talk about a contradiciton. These educated folks who arent trading are by definition hodlers yet in the next sentance you call them dumb kids and the lowest in the food chain  Roll Eyes

Stop speaking to me like I've made one prediciton and luckily got right. The last price prediciton I made was a short at around $440 and I said I would buy back at just over $400, that happened as well. I'm not acting like a pro trader who always gets it right, no one is, to make money you only have to be right >50% of the time. You havent put any money where your mouth is while just spouting we're going down.

 Why dont you throw some of your BTC profits on finex and short it then been as your so sure we're going down. Maybe that will add some weight to your argument.

2284  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 14, 2014, 01:21:58 PM

There are ways and means to do everything if you either A) have the money or B) know the right people.


You can hardly A) if you don't B), and you lose A) if you don't B). That's why the odd-few bitcoiners who have managed to A), should come to Malla castle for the trainings on how to retain their bitcoins in the face of all the threats against them.

Wink

Although A can buy B and B often leads to A in the general sense not in Bitcoin land per se.

This is a selling tool to get guys to sign up for $500 courses or to be dependent upon so called experts and it works in almost any technical field...   Sometimes it is well worth the $500,  but not always...

This is going off on abit of a tangent from the first conversation, we we're talking about how to move larger amounts of money from one place to another, courses and expert advice isn't needed for this just either A or B as first said.

I don't think that it is going off on a tangent if some people are telling you that you need B) in order to manage A) better... and part of the suggestion is courses.. .... yes, there is some of that going on, and I did NOT initially bring the conversation there.. but identified that was where the conversation was going or at least an underlying thread of such conversation.

That wasn't where the converstation was going but okay. You were asking how it was possible to move large amounts of money which means that your not a financial expert or even clued up on how that can happen. Hence you need B to manage A better, as do most. Your intepretation of B is someone who is giving out expert advice or is able to move the money themselves etc but I only said know the right people. The person who you know B doesnt have to be the right person he just has to know someone who is.

Anyway pointless conversation at this point.
2285  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 14, 2014, 01:14:28 PM
You chose to ignore them, you bought in didnt you, what makes you any better than anyone else.

Yeah and I bet the guys saying it from $1 are kicking themselves about the wealth they could have secured for themselves.

Who knows, $340 is as good of a bottom as any.

Or do you think that this is a bull trap and were only going down to previous YTL?

These faults weren't having an effect at the time when I bought.

They are stupid if they're kicking themselves for it. It's like kicking yourself after seeing the lottery numbers and saying "only if I chose 45, 5, 6, 11, 22 and 37". During this time there was only blind hope that bitcoin will be this big. No experienced, educated and knowledgeable investors got involved, so no skill was involved in seeing potential. Most of the ones who were involved then, were just dumb kids who got lucky at random google searches and got excited because they weren't skilled enough to assess the low probability of success.

Yes, that's what I thought, "who knows". Just some time ago you tried to present yourself as an skillful trader, but when asking some certainty on your predictions then the answer will always be "who knows". Because you really don't have a clue on what will happen. You aren't able enough to make proper analysis to support any of your predictions. You just make blind bets that have a 50/50 winning chance to you.

But I'm telling you with certainty, if there aren't new strong laws made to support the financial use of bitcoin in US or EU (I haven't considered China as an option for potential for a long time already), or if there aren't new markets opened with proper volume in new geographical locations, then this WAS NOT the bottom and it will drop more then 340$.

Yes, thats what I thought, of course these faults didnt matter when you were buying just when your not.

Your laughably wrong again, a lot of the early bitcoiners were far from dumb kids who got lucky from google searching, are you seriously that retarded? The majority of the early bitcoiners were older, well educated, skilled (most in cryptography) and saw and could understand the problems with "digital cash" that Satoshi has solved. An inordinate amount of skill and knowledge was required to see Bitcoins potential early. Your showing how little knowledge you posses of the history of Bitcoin.

Who knows was an ambiguous answer to an ambiguous question. Your basically asking will we see an ATH before a dip below $340 which is a question way too broad to give a definitive answer to. We could go to $1100 I could triple my money and then go down to  below $340 and I would still be wrong if I had said yes to your question.  I know your only trying to trap me in an answer but at this point it doesnt matter.

Comical how you ask me for a definitive answer then tell me your answer but with clauses that are open to interpretation to protect your prediction. Why would I say this is definately the bottom when all the Chinese exchanges could close tommorow? I dont need to make predictions like those when I can react the the market and news accordingly. I made my proper analysis and bought in the mid $350's I sold some of those coins today at +30% in 48 hours. I can now make predicitions on the next move . If we go down again I buy more all the time making money while you sit there making nothing on your very long term ambiguous assertions. Nobody has a crystal ball, nobody knows what will happen for sure but in the short term your loosing and the people your berating are winning. End of.
2286  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 14, 2014, 12:36:10 PM

There are ways and means to do everything if you either A) have the money or B) know the right people.


You can hardly A) if you don't B), and you lose A) if you don't B). That's why the odd-few bitcoiners who have managed to A), should come to Malla castle for the trainings on how to retain their bitcoins in the face of all the threats against them.

Wink

Although A can buy B and B often leads to A in the general sense not in Bitcoin land per se.

This is a selling tool to get guys to sign up for $500 courses or to be dependent upon so called experts and it works in almost any technical field...   Sometimes it is well worth the $500,  but not always...

This is going off on abit of a tangent from the first conversation, we we're talking about how to move larger amounts of money from one place to another, courses and expert advice isn't needed for this just either A or B as first said.
2287  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 14, 2014, 12:26:52 PM

[snip]


Everything your saying has been said since $1 hence why its boring.

Read some of the old posts on this forum and see how your whining (about too much volatilty, high hopes, dump pumps, no real reason for the price etc etc ) is a complete regurgitation of things said before.

I wish you well but your wrong on so many counts. I have no doubt that once the price returns to previous ATH levels you will either turn uber bull or disapear off the forum as per usual.

I'm not trying to be original here. When I'm pointing out the faults that others have done before me, then it only means that these faults are not hard to see. But some still choose to ignore them.

At first, we have to see the bottom and then start about talking reaching the previous ATH again.

Or do you think that this was the bottom and now we are going only up to the previous ATH?

You chose to ignore them, you bought in didnt you, what makes you any better than anyone else.

Yeah and I bet the guys saying it from $1 are kicking themselves about the wealth they could have secured for themselves.

Who knows, $340 is as good of a bottom as any.

Or do you think that this is a bull trap and were only going down to previous YTL?
2288  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 14, 2014, 12:13:16 PM

There are ways and means to do everything if you either A) have the money or B) know the right people.


You can hardly A) if you don't B), and you lose A) if you don't B). That's why the odd-few bitcoiners who have managed to A), should come to Malla castle for the trainings on how to retain their bitcoins in the face of all the threats against them.

Wink

Although A can buy B and B often leads to A in the general sense not in Bitcoin land per se.
2289  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 14, 2014, 12:08:35 PM

[snip]


Everything your saying has been said since $1 hence why its boring.

Read some of the old posts on this forum and see how your whining (about too much volatilty, high hopes, dump pumps, no real reason for the price etc etc ) is a complete regurgitation of things said before.

I wish you well but your wrong on so many counts. I have no doubt that once the price returns to previous ATH levels you will either turn uber bull or disapear off the forum as per usual.
2290  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 14, 2014, 11:58:32 AM
Bitstamp tweeting attempting to up the price again ?
2291  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 14, 2014, 11:50:46 AM
Its was refreshing to finally see a bear trap. I've said it was coming too, kinda amusing that people forgot that not only the bulls can be trapped.

I have to say you generally have called the last few days pretty well. I just hope you put some money on it Wink
2292  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 14, 2014, 11:48:28 AM

And then if you have more than $10K in fiat, isn't that a reportable event... ?   There may also be bank fees, too?  Who will carry $80K cash to starbucks?


There are ways and means to do everything if you either A) have the money or B) know the right people.
2293  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 14, 2014, 11:44:28 AM
Even though I'm long term bull, this has to be a bull trap. All these people could have bought last week for less money. Why is Bitcoin suddenly more desirable to them now than it was before? Nothing has changed.

This is not how it works

I think it's all coercion, don't tell anyone though

Wheres the use of force or threats?
2294  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 14, 2014, 11:42:44 AM

Even though I'm long term bull, this has to be a bull trap. All these people could have bought last week for less money. Why is Bitcoin suddenly more desirable to them now than it was before? Nothing has changed.


Because its moving upwards  Roll Eyes
2295  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 14, 2014, 11:15:42 AM


Skimmed through some of your previous posts during falls and found these:

This posted on the 10th of April:
Finally  Grin

Now can we bounce of $400 and finally move on. Jeez

And one prior to the fall of MtGox:
wish I had like 10k on gox  Grin

And you started whining at me when I said that I'm not buying into this, because I don't see it as an good bet to buy at the tops of weak pumps.
So, don't try to act like you're rational about this. When one walks like a typical degenerate gambler and when one talks like a typical degenerate gambler, then he must be an ...


Lol hilarious, is that the best you can do. Yeah asking the question of can we bounce of $400 and move on is the very definition of screaming trend reversal, being a delusional bull and wishing to be a millionaire  Roll Eyes


No one can ever say anything about buying gox coins for $100 at the time the odds were firmly in line with the risk. Typical degenerate gambler my arse.

I said you were boring repeating yourself over and over again and could have made yourself some money without it being a blind gamble if you weren't a permabear. hardly whining.

Better luck next time.

Yes, it was screaming of hopes of trend reversal and it showed that you were among those who thought that 400 actually means something. People like you have been whining at me since I sold at 1030, that I should buy at 900,800,700..etc. because they are really cheap coins, so I could make some money. Majority of those people are fools but there are also some manipulators who want others to buy, so they can sell with better profits.
Yes, the ones who bought into mtgox in the falling days were degenerate gamblers.
Degenerate gambling is about making blind bets. There are bets that can be predictable and there are bets that aren't. There was and there still is no way of knowing how much will be bought until the price starts to fall down. And the biggest probability here is that the price will at some point start to fall down. When there are some important developments in the crypto market system, then you can predict that this will give value to crypto and you can buy with the bet being a lot less blind.
I'll never invest into into something when my money is only supported by the hopes of fools. The hopes of fools are fragile and can break any moment, and when will this happen, can only be guessed, not predicted.
And now, stop whining, because I'm not buying into this no matter how much you whine.


You'll never invest into something where it is only supported by hopes of fools then why did you buy into BTC in the first place, if you think the price is sustained only by the hopes of fools.

Every bet is about predicatabilty and how predictable it may be  are your odds, thats the very definition of betting. What your really saying is that you like to make bets where you feel they are very predictable and therefore low odds.

Its simply not screaming trend reversal at all are you that blind you cant see that. It was a question. Plus $400 was a major resistance point after visiting there twice already in the downtrend so of course it was important. I think you need to get out the house if you believe anything Ive said is trying to get you to buy into this, I couldn't give two shits whether you buy into it or not. On the contrary I could say that your attempting to get people not to buy in yet is just as manipulative.

 Stop throwing the phrase people like you around, I have not attempted to get anyone to buy in thanks so stop trying to tarnish me with the same brush as the people who do you have 0 evidence of me being anything like what your trying to say. When there are important developments in the crypto world lol, there are important developments happening all the time.

Its okay over the last 3 days I'm up 31% and your at +/- 0% in actual gains or 31% down in theoretical gains. Your clearly a long term trader which is fine but because you dont have the skills to or you dont want to trade on shorter time scales doesnt mean people who do shouldnt.
2296  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 14, 2014, 10:39:43 AM
Wow look at the orderbook on stamp and the massive buys yesterday. Still expecting it to trend into $400?

Based on the trendline analysis, yes. We have many long, agonizing weeks to go until it gets to be improbable according to the trendline. It is normal to have rallies based on false hopes, it is part of the capitulation process. [- -]

When it finally hits $400, you do not want to buy. You fear for it going to $200 and you losing 50% overnight. Then it is the time to buy Wink

Zoom 2 months forward:

Not that I felt any obligation to disclose, but I am happy to say that I finally managed to source BTC200 @400 off-exchange!  Smiley

Gold
2297  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 14, 2014, 10:27:43 AM


Skimmed through some of your previous posts during falls and found these:

This posted on the 10th of April:
Finally  Grin

Now can we bounce of $400 and finally move on. Jeez

And one prior to the fall of MtGox:
wish I had like 10k on gox  Grin

And you started whining at me when I said that I'm not buying into this, because I don't see it as an good bet to buy at the tops of weak pumps.
So, don't try to act like you're rational about this. When one walks like a typical degenerate gambler and when one talks like a typical degenerate gambler, then he must be an ...


Lol hilarious, is that the best you can do. Yeah asking the question of can we bounce of $400 and move on is the very definition of screaming trend reversal, being a delusional bull and wishing to be a millionaire  Roll Eyes


No one can ever say anything about buying gox coins for $100 at the time the odds were firmly in line with the risk. Typical degenerate gambler my arse.

I said you were boring repeating yourself over and over again and could have made yourself some money without it being a blind gamble if you weren't a permabear. hardly whining.

Better luck next time.
2298  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 14, 2014, 10:11:16 AM
~300BTC wall guy wants in.
2299  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 14, 2014, 09:58:57 AM
Why are you all so bearish in here???  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy


You did this to us  Cheesy
2300  Economy / Speculation / Re: rpietila Wall Observer - the Quality TA Thread ;) on: April 14, 2014, 09:54:38 AM
Still 9,154.99 BTC shorted @ bitfinex, these could push the price up nicely in a few days if price keeps going up.

Excuse my ignorance. What does "Still 9,154.99 BTC shorted" means?

How much BTC has been borrowed to margin shorters on finex. This means at some point they have to buy the BTC they borrowed and sold back. If they are on margin this could happen without them wanting to due to being wiped out by margin.
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