I sent an email to Paypal on Sept 19th (too late I guess) and got the same canned response of being past 45 days.

I have over $5k pending with BFL and will never even get close to paying off the initial purchase price so I contacted my credit card company (Chase Ink Business card) and they said timeframe doesn't matter as long as I can document BFL's change in terms.  Does anybody have a link to the page (or maybe a screenshot) where they showed the estimated ship date for orders placed around March.  I think at that time the lead-out was guessing 2-3 months.  It's approaching 7 months now so if I can produce proof they failed to deliver and show they changed their refund policy my CC should follow through.

Thanks for the offer

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I received my 60GH/s single last weekend.  It has been mining more or less reliably since arrival except for BFGMiner crashing 4 times (don't know if device or software is responsible).

My problem is one of the chips arrived dead.  Thanks to a little guidance on the BFL shoutbox I was able to get BFGMiner to show the individual mining units and one is dead (I'm not familiar with BFGMiner since I used CGMiner primarily).

I'm guessing the chip was DOA since my unit never went over 55GH/s and is averaging about 53GH/s.  Obviously this is below their claim of +/- 10% since I don't think they bothered testing (unless it's possible for 1 unit to get damaged in transit).

I contacted BFL via email, PMed Josh, and posted on the forums.  One week and still not even an acknowledgment of receipt of my issue.

Considering I have several other preorders with them you would think the company would be a little more responsive to "future" customers.  I believe they will make good on their guarantee of +/- 10% but being short the equivalent of a Bitforce 5GH/s or 7 unit is not exactly making me happy, especially after waiting 54 weeks

I tried to measure the power draw on my Killawatt but the unit had problems powering on when plugged through the killawatt, so I gave up.

I went ahead and submitted my refund request through the google form and also submitted a ticket stating I did so.

I was one of the first Batch 3 orders but I now doubt my ability to make ROI even with "free" electricity.

I hear ya.  I managed to keep my monthly use to about 325KWh by living like a monk (this is with a wife and 3 kids who want to watch TV all the time).  Needless to say I'm not mining at home.

For Europeans who think they have it bad, check out these new rates for Southern California:
http://runonsun.com/~runons5/blogs/blog1.php/util/sce/sce-rolls-out-major-rate-changes

Buying hardware would be good if you want to write-off the hardware over a 7 year schedule rather than a single one-time write-off. Guess it depends on how your income flow will be structured.

I'll happily pay any Batch 2 owner their BTC cost + 10 BTC + shipping cost for their unit.  I tried repeatedly to get a Batch 2 and failed (either thanks to Walletbit's failures or having to be at work).  Eventually had to settle for Batch 3.

Yes the difficulty will be much higher than what was promised but it still supports the BTC network.  Look at the other options - pricey ASICMiner or BFL backlog.

OP -good plan and I applaud your initiative (wish I had jumped on the chips earlier).  But the lack of an escrow should be blatant no-no for any forum user.  Short of meeting you in person, giving you BTC blindly is tantamount to running a Pirate.  The screenshot is about as useful as a pic of you holding a shoe.

If you want simple proof, video tape yourself closing the box with tape at the FedEx or UPS location and presenting the box for shipment.  May seem cumbersome but I have sold devices that were valued at 10-50k before and the I received a complaint stating I shipped an empty box (from a dentist no less).  Simple statement of fact citing mail fraud (yes even FedEx and UPS are covered under these commerce clauses) will get most people to shut up.

If you find that too cumbersome and don't want to deal with escrow then this board is probably not the right place for you to sell.... cough*eBay*cough

The fact that you used the word logic but misused the word relation (as in correlation) means your reasoning is flawed.  What you probably meant was mining has no causation to BTC price.  Most every long term forum member would agree there is a correlation http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pearson_product-moment_correlation_coefficient

The BTC is not stable no matter how many people mine (production yes, price no).  That is a fallacy.  If just one person mined with an ASIC back in 2009 while everybody else was on CPUs, that one person would have about 11 million coins now and they would be worthless.  The value of the coin is determined by both miners and the people who accept the coins.  You think BTC would be worth $130USD if just 20 people were mining 

You would have had about 11 million coins on an alternate fork and they would be worthless, since nobody else would care about "Bitcoin" as your would be the only one with the coins (ASIC vs CPU miners)

The subsidy of "free" coins is just that - a subsidy to set up the network.  Ultimately the success will depend on the utility of the coin.  I would rather have 1 coin worth $200 USD then 11 million coins worth a novelty idea.

Did you even bother to look at the link I posted.  It has well established members on this forum talking about methods of connecting power to these Modminers (hint - people have been mining with them already for quite some time).  This device was not made yesterday - it's been out for a while.

Whoever put up the eBay auction simply linked the modminer homepage pic for his/her auction.

Caveat emptor?  More like failure to read....

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=219394.0

Real, but will be marginalized by ASICs

Yeah it's ridiculous how much it varies.  In Seattle, WA my mother-in-law gets a discounted rate under $0.05 USD per KWH.  They used over 6500 KWH last month since they have an electric heaters (not gas).

1000 miles to the south in Southern California I have Southern California Edison and their prices are pretty much the highest in the US.  I'm usually at Tier 2/3 border so I pay either $0.29 or $0.35 per KWH using just 300 KWH on average.  If I mine or even use AC a little bit I go to Tier 5 which costs $0.46 per KWH - this happens at just 500 KWH, so obviously my GPU farm isn't at home.

Leave it to California to stifle technology with their green BS. With all their mouthing off about clean solar the state produces much less power than WA state's hydroelectric capacity.  That's why Dalkore is setting up an ASIC farm at $0.02/KWH - that's as close to free as it gets I imagine.

Thanks for those kind words.

Seriously was mining on BTCGuild for more or less the last 2 months.  This past week I was trying out 50BTC and it's PPS system which worked fine for a day and then I think I broke it.  I lost about 12 hours of earnings (easily calculated on PPS).  Seems like the pool was fine until I arrived (although they claim it was their host's server maintenance).

I moved back to BTCGuild (conveniently missing the lovely 1.6x earnings week) and have made 0.6x times earnings for the past 3 days (PPLNS)  

Again taking offers from people who want to "bomb" other luck based pools.  I think my presence on BTCGuild has messed with OoC's charts for future difficulty calculations since I was on BTCGuild which had 40% of the hashrate...

Wonder if I could infiltrate ASICMiner...  

I'll pick Bachelorette A  

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Yes difficulty changed about 12 days ago.  It went up about 13%, so it takes longer to make the same amount.  It is about to go up another 10% roughly in a few hours, so you'll make even less in a few hours.

GPUs were making about 20x as much last January. The age of GPUs is ending, ASICs are here now.

Use this calc - add a 0 to the difficulty and watch your earnings drop to 1/10th as much - that should happen in the next 3 months.
http://tpbitcalc.appspot.com/

The VRM temps are what most people should be worried about more than the actual cores.  The VRMS almost always run hotter than the cores and they sometimes have bad cooling with the aftermarket designs.  Use GPUZ to see what they're running.  I'm OK up to 85C, beyond that is asking for trouble even in the short term.

BTCGuild PPS fee went from 5% --> 7.5% well over a a week ago, surprised nobody mentioned it here for correction.

Looks like Dr. H beat me to the punch!  Pretty much what he said.

And now OzCoin is down.  I mined there for 5 months, but it's not very reliable for me right now.  I would happily pay Graeme and his team 6% fee for stability.


Dr. H - any timeline for getting idle miner notification working?

You can mention other pools.  It's not like it's hidden data.  I assume you're talking about 50BTC.  Well I was mining on there yesterday and thanks to the downtown I lost about 3 hours of revenue.  The OP claims the shares were counted but on a pure PPS system it's very easy to see that my earnings are exactly 7/8th of what was expected yesterday, so 3 hour downtime.  Which happens to coincide with the 3 hours missing on the graphs.

This wouldn't be a big deal if the pool OP shut down the pool or redirected traffic.  Any sensible miner not new to the game would have backups.  The problem occurs when they OP says there's nothing to worry about and basically miners are spinning their wheels.  I even found a block for them yesterday.  But since CGMiner didn't detect a disconnect it didn't switch over to backups.

And this is where you can tell the good pools from the bad.  BTCGuild has proven itself time and time again.  Sure it gets hit with DDoS but E is very much on top of it.  That is probably the most stable pool.  So what does it matter if you pay a 5% higher fee if the pool allows 5% more income due to more reliability.

As this thread is about Bitminter we all know Dr. H is very much on top of his creation.  I'm sure for most pool ops it has become a full time job.  I used to mine here and will happily switch back - the only thing holding me off is the lack of miner offline notification.  It's pretty much summer here in Southern California and some of my older cards are not tolerant of this heat.  2 cards are already running 1/2 speed and goes Sick/Dead quite often - can't wait for ASIC.

So again choice of a pool is determined by the end user.  Those who can micromanage a 200 GPU farm as their daily job can afford to sit at a pool with no notifications.  I'll happily pay a higher fee for a pool that has better reliability as long as it doesn't concentrate the network.