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241  Economy / Economics / Re: Cryptocurrency is the biggest investment opportunity in the future on: July 09, 2021, 08:13:52 PM
I don't think so, the biggest opportunity for a cryptocurrency as an investment wad back when the prices were still good enough that you can buy around 5 dollars a pop not this one although it's still a good opportunity, it's not the same as the last time because you have to spend more and get less in the process although if you believe in the potential, you will know for sure that your investment in that particular cryptocurrency is going to go up in long-term.

Exactly, you will never see the types of gains that have already been seen.  The law of large numbers takes over and it's just impossible to keep doubling in value at the same rate at this point. At this point, I wouldn't be surprised to see bitcoin's returns just mirror the stock market at large.
242  Economy / Economics / Re: A message from my bank saying they will not allow me to purchase from Binance on: July 09, 2021, 08:10:47 PM
I got a message from my UK bank saying they will no longer allow payments from debit/ credit cards to Binance.  This is all to do with the UK FCA ban but I thought it was not going to affect us being able to use the Binance.com site, seems I was wrong  Binance will loose a lot of UK revenue if they do not become FCA regulated like Coinbase has done Sad

UK has been cracking down on cryptocurrencies since the past few months. As a result, most of the banks are not allowing crypto-related transactions whether buying, selling or converting to fiat. However, I do believe that Binance could negotiate with the regulators later on instead of getting banned for good.

The good thing about your topic is that the bank was informing you about it instead of an automatic closure of your bank account.

I think all Binance would need to do is become FCA compliant, there is no negotiation involved. You either abide by the financial laws in the jurisdictions you operate in, or you get banned. There's really no reason not to comply.

Binance.com does not fall under UK FCA  regulations because they are not based here in the UK  They are based in the Caymen Islands. The FCA have already stated that they can not stop people in the UK  from trading on the site. They were talking about  Binance company called Binance Markets Limited which is based here in the UK. "The FCA said Binance’s UK subsidiary – Binance Markets Limited – is not currently permitted to “undertake any regulated activities without the prior written consent of the FCA”.

So the FCA’s latest move isn’t entirely significant in this context. It is, in effect, merely enforcing an existing ban. But while Binance Markets Limited is banned from offering regulated services in Britain, non-registered firms can still engage with UK consumers to provide unregulated services – such as buying and selling cryptocurrencies. In order words, Binance can still offer UK-based investors crypto trading via its website."

 Now the banks are saying we can not use Binance.com  because of the FCA which is wrong.

This is not correct. No Binance entity is permitted to engage in any activities regulated by the FCA.  It doesn't matter where a company is based, you cannot operate in the UK in regulated activities without a regulatory license.  Neither binance.com nor any other Binance entity can engage in derivatives, market-making or other regulated activities. Further, the ban has caused several large banks to suspend payments to binance.com for regular crypto purchases.  And even further, the FCA has a deadline of March 31, 2022 by which crypto asset businesses must register in order to continue trading in the UK.
243  Economy / Economics / Re: Is Covid-19 carrying the growth in digital currencies? on: July 09, 2021, 07:52:08 PM

As a result of Covid -19, in payment preferences, Many companies and authorities around the world are increasingly looking at digital currencies as an alternative way to make transactions in digitalized world. So guys what do you think about ? How will be easy the day today life after adopting for digital currencies?
Covid-19 really helped the growth of cryptocurrency during the period of lockdown where business transactions becomes an online medium, enlightening people of the need to use digital currency in transacting businesses. During this period many people started becoming familiar with the use of crypto accepting it as a means of investment and trading it to get profits due to the serious effect of covid-19 on business and firms.

I don't think too many businesses adopted crypto as a payment option so much as adopted mainstream electronic payment platforms such as PayPal and Square as payment options.  The COVID-19 pandemic pushed forward digitalization, not necessarily crypto adoption.
244  Economy / Economics / Re: Jeff Bezos and many top amazon executives leave in mass exodus on: July 05, 2021, 10:49:59 PM
I think the rationale behind his departure is that he no longer feels any sense of achievement by being there and there are some internal pressures that require him to step down for the good of the company. Now he is eager to start a new career as an astronaut and perhaps those executives may also follow him to space.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/science/in-race-to-space-it-s-virgin-galactic-vs-bezos-blue-origin-101625276825288.html

The funniest thing about Bezos wanting to be out of earth is the community that is forming around the idea of not letting him back in:

https://www.change.org/p/the-proletariat-do-not-allow-jeff-bezos-to-return-to-earth

I am pondering signing.

It's a cheeky move, but nothing more than an avenue for people to register their disapproval of his massive accumulation of wealth.  I don't necessarily have a problem with his wealth, except I think the tax system does need to be overhauled and wealth in the multi billions needs to be taxed.  I reckon a lot of the signers of that petition feel the same way.
245  Economy / Economics / Re: George Soros and Bezos have paid almost zero taxes on: July 05, 2021, 10:45:32 PM
By transferring it to a charity, which is regulated in how it can spend it, it's no longer the rich person's money, so there's no benefit to them for doing so.  The thing that keeps getting repeated over and over again is that the BMGF is controlled by Bill Gates, like that somehow makes it so he didn't actually donate the money and can spend it however he wants.  That's not true, not even a little, and so continuing to repeat the lie isn't changing the fact that nothing has been done wrong, and nothing shady has happened.

For a moment, let's assume that BMGF has spent zero funds on consultation, salaries and speaking fees (popular ways to bribe politicians). How much of that money is being spent on American citizens, given the fact that the US treasury suffered a loss of $20 billion? As far as I know, less than 1% of the money was spent on US. Now what will happen, if the other billionaires follow the same example. Let's say that Elon Musk sets up a charity with $100 billion worth of shares from Tesla. He then decides to use that money, to help poor white South Africans (his own ethnic group). Will it be OK for you, or are you going to object, since he is supporting the "politically incorrect" group?

As a charity focused on vaccine development and distribution which requires the infrastructure and scientific proficiency of the US, not to mention operating in the US, the vast majority of economic activity directly attributable to the charity's activities I would expect goes to the benefit of the US economy.  Your 1% "as far as you know" is laughably inaccurate, but also embarrassing since you've never tried to know the truth with any degree of accuracy.  How about doing some basic research instead of making wildly inaccurate assumptions about things you don't know the slightest bit about?

Even though the charity focuses on the developing world where they feel the improvements they make in health infrastructure and sanitation will do the most good and save the most lives, in 2019 the charity spent approximately 524 million dollars on US programs with the vast majority going to educational initiatives.  I have no problem with a charity helping the developing world.  Charity is charity, and saving the most lives is what matters.
246  Economy / Economics / Re: Founders of South African Bitcoin exchange disappear after $3.6 billion 'hack' on: July 05, 2021, 10:10:02 PM
This remains to be a dumb idea even though you keep posting it.  That's not how any of this works.  If it is, go find all the times the UK has refused to deport someone because the UK wanted to keep the money the criminals stole and brought to the UK and post them here.  You won't find any because that's not how it works.  Even among conspiracy theories, this one is stupid.

UK don't want to keep the money. But they are OK, if the money is spent in that jurisdiction. There is nothing wrong in what beerlover posted, because I know that during the last 3 decades dozens of financial criminals have settled down in the UK. And these scammers have migrated to the UK from all around the world, including African countries, China, India, Greece, Russia.etc. Being an Indian, I would say that the UK's policy of protecting criminals like Vijay Mallya and Nirav Modi (who have stolen billions of $$ worth of funds from the Indian banks) is extremely disappointing.

Well pretty much everything you said was inaccurate.  Modi is currently in the process of being extradited to India, in fact his latest appeal was just rejected by a UK court several days ago.  So not only is the UK not a "safe haven" for criminals, but the specific example you cited proves to be working exactly the opposite of how you keep saying it does.
247  Economy / Economics / Re: Jeff Bezos and many top amazon executives leave in mass exodus on: July 05, 2021, 10:01:22 PM
Jeff Bezos stepping down as amazon CEO. With the departure of many top executives from amazon. Comes hot on the heels of the announcement of global 15% tax intiatives being up for consideration.

I wonder if they disapprove of global tax loopholes being closed enough to resign and search for other markets.

It could be a common trend in the business world. The Fertitta brothers sold the UFC when the push for unionization began to mobilize. Do start up founders time the market for their exit to correspond with significantly diminishing business conditions.

For those who invest or have an interest in stocks, would you recommend fading amazon stock under the expectation that whoever replaces Jeff Bezos and departing execs will be unable to fill their shoes.

Anyways historic moment unfolding here with amazon. How do people envision amazon's business model changing from here onwards. If it changes at all.

No, this has literally nothing to do with the global corporate minimum tax, which isn't even in force yet.  It's the norm in the business world for people to wrap up their stints at a company when the executive leadership undergoes a big change.

Amazon is such a behemoth and well-oiled machine that I wouldn't expect a change in leadership to have any impact on the stock price.  Betting against the stock price is asking for losses.
248  Economy / Economics / Re: Never seen before OCDE pact for 15% minimum global corporate tax on: July 05, 2021, 09:56:03 PM
Ireland’s tax agreements with multi-national companies have been ruled by the court’s to violate EU laws in the past, so Ireland I think is an outlier. 130 countries signed on, there is clearly broad international support. Ireland even agreed in principle, they just think 15% minimum is too high, but their entire pitch to multi-nationals is as a tax haven. If they join a minimum tax pact, there’s no real reason to HQ in Ireland anymore.

LOL.. so around 130 out of approx. 200 countries signed up for this? It doesn't surprise me. Countries with high rates of corporate taxes will sign up, since it benefits them. On the other hand, tax havens (such as the Caribbean islands and gulf nations) would ignore this initiative, as it affects their revenues. In the end, the stalemate and status quo will persist. If Ireland agrees to this measure, then the companies will just relocate to some other tax haven, such as Luxembourg, Malta or San Marino. How much time it takes to shift HQ from one country to another?

Bermuda and the Cayman Islands are both signatories on the agreement, and Luxembourg's corporate tax rate is already higher than the proposed minimum in the agreement, so I reckon they would sign as well (though can't find definitively if they have already).  The 130 countries that have already signed represent 90% of global GDP, so yeah, my previous point stands unrefuted after your inaccurate post.
249  Economy / Economics / Re: A message from my bank saying they will not allow me to purchase from Binance on: July 05, 2021, 09:34:06 PM
I got a message from my UK bank saying they will no longer allow payments from debit/ credit cards to Binance.  This is all to do with the UK FCA ban but I thought it was not going to affect us being able to use the Binance.com site, seems I was wrong  Binance will loose a lot of UK revenue if they do not become FCA regulated like Coinbase has done Sad

UK has been cracking down on cryptocurrencies since the past few months. As a result, most of the banks are not allowing crypto-related transactions whether buying, selling or converting to fiat. However, I do believe that Binance could negotiate with the regulators later on instead of getting banned for good.

The good thing about your topic is that the bank was informing you about it instead of an automatic closure of your bank account.

I think all Binance would need to do is become FCA compliant, there is no negotiation involved. You either abide by the financial laws in the jurisdictions you operate in, or you get banned. There's really no reason not to comply.
250  Economy / Economics / Re: Die today, Die tommorrow, the same dying! still get vaccinated! on: July 05, 2021, 09:31:38 PM
The real problem with vaccines is that the European countries, US, Canada etc. have acquired more vaccines than it is required for their population and are currently hoarding the vaccines and refusing to share with the poorer countries. In fact the colonial powers of the erstwhile era who had looted the colonized countries are acquiring vaccines out of the looted money and are depriving the colonized countries from acquiring vaccines.

It seems that the European countries have no conscience and will probably defend that it is not their responsibility to compensate the colonized countries.

When you say "acquired" you mean developed.  The developed nations have developed the vaccines, and of course they're going to distribute them to their own populations first. As for not distributing vaccines to the poorer nations, you're dead wrong.  The richer nations have been delivering vaccines all throughout 2021.  On top of the 81 million doses that have already been distributed, the US has pledged 500 million more, Japan has pledged one billion dollars towards the effort, and other richer developed nations have also pledged support.
251  Economy / Economics / Re: What Binance Market ban is about on: July 04, 2021, 09:42:48 PM
I think it's really unfair that some illegal activities are ignored while others are heavily targeted. Binance has its own reasonable KYC policies, and if the sum of money is big, one will have to provide an ID. So if we're talking about big-scale money laundering, I don't think Binance is the first choice for criminals. Also, instead of outright banning Binance, the UK authorities could've imposed their own rules, such as obligatory KYC for everyone from the UK.  But no, they just banned one of the most reputable exchanges in the world, and the one which actually tries to comply with regulations of various countries and to operate transparently. So it's a sign of hostility towards cryptos, I think. They're okay with fiat being used for illegal activities, but not okay with cryptos being used at all.

They banned it because it wasn't abiding by the laws.  If binance gets its act together and abides by the financial regulatory laws that already exist, it would be granted a license to operate in the UK.  However my understanding is that this is a company that keeps redomiciling specifically to avoid regulatory oversight, and so they don't appear to be trustworthy.

Also, no, "they" are not okay with fiat being used for illegal activities, which is why there's laws against that and prosecutions.
252  Economy / Economics / Re: George Soros and Bezos have paid almost zero taxes on: July 04, 2021, 09:35:02 PM

It's shady no matter how it may sound because it only looks like they are looking for a way to avoid paying the tax. Foundation had been the way to be doing this by the big corporations. This is just for the press to show the people like they are giving back the achievement they got through the people, helping the cancer patients, the poor by the charity works but in reality, they are just as crooks as robbers. They could have just told the truth like Trump who actually admits to doing it at least we know he isn't a bad liar.


I also see the same thing, they are just doing everything they can to avoid being taxed by opening their own foundation.  By transferring the money they have to the foundation it will not be taxed.  This is what is often found in many countries, large companies with a view of caring for the environment open foundations to avoid their taxes. Cover their bad work by opening a foundation.  Isn't this a very interesting idea for companies to do on their tax deductions.

By transferring it to a charity, which is regulated in how it can spend it, it's no longer the rich person's money, so there's no benefit to them for doing so.  The thing that keeps getting repeated over and over again is that the BMGF is controlled by Bill Gates, like that somehow makes it so he didn't actually donate the money and can spend it however he wants.  That's not true, not even a little, and so continuing to repeat the lie isn't changing the fact that nothing has been done wrong, and nothing shady has happened.
253  Economy / Economics / Re: What role will Bitcoin play in the face of superpowers in the future? on: July 04, 2021, 09:30:00 PM
I don't know much how superpower nations think but I think that if they use bitcoin the right way, they can probably cripple a country's economy like the rumored 51% attack capability of China, I think that's probably how they are going to do their attacks, I think at this day and age, bombs and bullets aren't the seeds we plant during a war, it's information and money now.

China chased all the miners out of their country.  Even before doing so, they couldn't have staged a 51% attack because they couldn't control all the mining going on in the country.  But now, what was already not feasible has become impossible.
254  Economy / Economics / Re: Never seen before OCDE pact for 15% minimum global corporate tax on: July 04, 2021, 09:24:15 PM
One of the things I see people Not notice all the time when talking about corporations and taxes.


And this is very important.   

Corporations.   Never. Ever. Pay taxes.

Seems like a BS statement right?   Work with me a second.

Who buys stuff?  you me the person next door.   who sells stuff? those evil corps!  So when a corp charges you money for items/services whos actually paying again?  why its the Consumer. 

Corps Always, and I mean that Always pass on what ever tax governments charge them to the consumer.  Some larger corps actually back charge the gov Administration time to collect that tax for that gov.

So when you start talking about How much a corporation Needs to Pay for what ever you think some sort of envy/justice due to them making money and you aren't compared....

Stop Stabbing yourself in the foot for the Love Of God.  Its ALWAYS YOU paying those taxes, ALWAYS, 100% of the time.  its Never those corporations.  Its always You and You and You to Governments that tend to waste it. Gov will Always tell the story that somehow that corp isnt paying its fair share.   It never pays ever anyways.  no matter what the story is.

Remember that!

Yes, corporations pay taxes. If you think that if taxes on corporations went away prices would suddenly drop for consumers, you're dreaming.  In fact, we saw this with the corporate tax cut from republicans 3-4 years ago.  Did prices drop?  No.  The executives gave themselves bonuses and bought back company stock, which further enriched the executives with stock options.  I'd rather corporations pay taxes and have an indirect cost passed on to consumers, which will be kept in check by competition, than eliminate corporate taxes and have the tax directly imposed on consumers by the government to make up for the lost revenue.
255  Economy / Economics / Re: George Soros and Bezos have paid almost zero taxes on: July 04, 2021, 03:16:51 PM
That also means that if the shares were transferred without Bill Gates ever selling them, then they were never income and never subject to income tax.  And because they're now owned by a charity, Bill Gates doesn't have that as part of his personal wealth anymore.  So there's literally nothing wrong with the example you used yourself.

I don't agree 100%. The ownership change is only nominal. Previously Bill Gates was owning these shares in his personal account (i.e direct ownership). Now he owns these shares indirectly. BMGF owns these shares and BMGF is under the control of Bill & Melinda Gates. The revenue from the sale of these shares are still being spent as per the preference of Bill Gates. If he hadn't moved them to BMGF, then these shares would have got taxed at the time of his death (he is 65 years old now).

It's not a nominal change, it's a legal distinction.  Bill Gates does not own indirectly the shares after he donates them because he does not own the charity.  Controlling a the charity is not the same as ownership, and he cannot do whatever he wants with the shares as a principal of the charity because charities are regulated and have to fulfill a charitable mission to keep their tax-exempt status.  So it is 100% wrong to say that Bill Gates indirectly owns the shares or that he can do whatever he wants with them.  So we're back to Bill Gates never realizing any income from the shares, hence no reason for him ever to pay taxes on them.
256  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin Treasuries on: July 04, 2021, 05:12:56 AM
Whoever wrote the blurb about this Form D filing doesn't exactly understand what the filing is.

Thank you jaysabi I for the clarification.
I am not familiar with SEC regulation, hence I trusted the article.

I think anyway it would be safe to admit the vast amount of money went to BTC buying, as the fees you correctly considers usually are a small percentage of that amount. For GBTC, a fund with notoriously high fees, we are talking about 2%.

Yes, you’re most likely right. I would consider the vast majority of the money raised to go towards bitcoin purchases at some point soon after, I just wanted to clarify that the Form D amount listed was not actually the amount of bitcoin purchased.
257  Economy / Economics / Re: Never seen before OCDE pact for 15% minimum global corporate tax on: July 04, 2021, 05:10:13 AM
On every country having the same tax as Ireland, that is kind of what happened with the pact. Except that some countries won´t accept it, thus leaving room open.

First, there was no pact, Ireland didn't agree to it, so the rest can get that 15% and stick it where it belongs.
Second it not about every country having the same tax as Ireland but more on Ireland raising its tax to other countries levels.

Ireland’s tax agreements with multi-national companies have been ruled by the court’s to violate EU laws in the past, so Ireland I think is an outlier. 130 countries signed on, there is clearly broad international support. Ireland even agreed in principle, they just think 15% minimum is too high, but their entire pitch to multi-nationals is as a tax haven. If they join a minimum tax pact, there’s no real reason to HQ in Ireland anymore.
258  Economy / Economics / Re: Founders of South African Bitcoin exchange disappear after $3.6 billion 'hack' on: July 03, 2021, 05:26:23 PM
I don't think that these two will ever return to South Africa. The advantage with UK is that it never deports criminals, if they can prove that their life is in danger if deported. In the past, foreign pedophiles and rapists have managed to overturn their deportations, by arguing that they may face physical harm if sent back. And for the financial criminals, it is even easier. London is being regarded as the hub of white collar criminals. The government in UK doesn't care if your funds are stolen from somewhere. As long as you are rich, and is able to spend that money in the UK, you are welcome there.
I doubt that it is about being deported or even physical harm, it is obvious that these people are now rich and UK wants to take a piece of that money. Think about it, wouldn't you want two people with over 3 billion dollars in their pockets to come to your nation, live there, spend there, when they spend their money others in your nation earn money, and they pay taxes as well so basically all around as long as they live there that 3+ billion dollars will slowly go into UK economy.

So I think it is not about white collar crime, it is not about deportation, it is not about keeping someone safe from physical harm, UK doesn't care about any of that, they only care about money that they could make from these two. I still can't believe they managed to steal this much money, it is a shock to me that they were even capable of doing something this large so easily.

This remains to be a dumb idea even though you keep posting it.  That's not how any of this works.  If it is, go find all the times the UK has refused to deport someone because the UK wanted to keep the money the criminals stole and brought to the UK and post them here.  You won't find any because that's not how it works.  Even among conspiracy theories, this one is stupid.
259  Economy / Economics / Re: George Soros and Bezos have paid almost zero taxes on: July 03, 2021, 05:19:14 PM
No, of course there is no evidence. People with low IQ just hate the rich because they themselves are not rich and they think the only reason someone could be rich then is because of corruption and not because they built a company that has become dominant in a major part of the economy. So they make up a lot of excuses and crazy conspiracy theories about why someone like Bill Gates could be rich while they are poor.  And the simple answer they don't want to believe is that instead of spending their time believing crazy nonsense, Bill Gates built a valuable company.

Typical Democrat response. Anyone who disagree with them is low IQ. All I am asking is that tax liability should be made equal for everyone. And in case of Bill Gates, you can defend him as much as you want. But in the history he will be recorded as the largest tax evader, after refusing to pay a tax bill of $20 billion.

In your case, in one of your post I saw you supporting income tax of 80%. But you are perfectly fine if Bill Gates pay $0 in tax. The reason - he built a valuable company. I am glad that now people get to know how these Democrat supporters think. The taxes should be paid by the middle class and the billionaires don't have to pay anything and they can evade taxes in the name of charity.

I am in favor of lowering the tax rate, and that can be done only if we remove all the exemptions that are being used by the billionaires to evade taxes. Democrats are not going to like this, because they are the biggest defenders of this group.

Lol, I'm not a democrat, but I could see how you could make that mistake because some of my beliefs are liberal, but then democrats would accuse me of being a republican because some of my beliefs are libertarian.  Truth is I'm neither.

There's a couple things you're conflating though in my posts.  I'll try to simplify them.

1) I would support a much higher income tax on the top 1% of income earners.  The exact percent can be debated, but what you've probably seen from me before is noting that the top marginal rate used to be in the high 70 percent range not terribly long ago.  That's not the same thing as advocating for a top marginal rate of 70%.  Also, top marginal rate doesn't mean all your income is taxed at 70%.  If you don't understand this, you probably need to research how it works.

2) I would support a wealth tax on the top 1% of the wealthy to cut down on their ability to game the system by passing their estates on through tax loopholes or delaying or avoiding income realization for decades into the future.

3) Avoiding taxes by using the existing laws is not tax evasion.  If Bill Gates legally avoids taxes by exploiting the system as it was written, that's legal.  You do the same thing every time you take a tax deduction on your income taxes, so I'm not blaming anyone for using the law as it is written.  But see point two above about cutting down on the ability to do this.

Now see how these very clear points contrast very sharply with the strawman argument you built for me.  I'm all for lowering the tax rate, but not until the budget is balanced and we stop accumulating debt.  Closing the legal loopholes the rich use to avoid paying taxes will go a long way towards this.  (Also, if you do even the slightest bit of research, you'll find that republicans are the ones holding up tax reform and they are the party that created a slew of new tax loopholes for the wealthy just 3 years ago.)
260  Economy / Gambling / Re: FreeBitco.in-$200 FreeBTC⭐Win Lambo🔥0.2BTC DailyJackpot🏆$32,500 Wager Contest on: July 02, 2021, 06:44:25 PM
FUN Token Listed on Binance Savings - Earn Up To 45% APY!

2. Locked Savings: Tokens are locked in for a fixed period of time. You earn a higher rate of interest with Locked Savings.

With the Locked Savings program, you can earn up to 45% APY on your holdings! Subscriptions to Locked Savings are capped and on a first-come, first-served basis.

Can someone explain this to me like I'm a dummy?  How can you possibly earn a guaranteed 45% APY over any period of time?  All conventional wisdom says anything like this is a ponzi scheme, so I must be missing something.
Okay, FUN is a token owned by Freebitco.in
Binance is one of the largest and trusted Bitcoin exchange in this world, they also own the coinmarketcap.

You can trade FUN token on Binance and the existence of FUN hasn't started some months ago, it's very old coin. 45% APY on FUN is some kind of promotion that benefits the business and token. It's advertised on Binance, the exchange with the highest traffic and locked funds mean something like this: When there is a high demand on thing X and it's not available, the price on thing X increases. Overall, 45% APY on Binance is both, marketing and locked funds that can synergistically increase the price.

It's just an offer from Binance, they have necessary funds, scam won't happen unless Binance plans to scam its customers. (1) And if you only think about 45% APY, it's not the APY of USD but the FUN token itself that was 0.068 in 4 April and is 0.016 today! If the price goes down from this point more than 45%, then you aren't actually benefiting from your holdings. (2)



Thanks, I was thinking along this line as well.  I've footnoted your response so I could take the two points below.

(1) I don't know much about Binance, but Binance scamming is exactly what I'm concerned with. I don't know them to be trustworthy, and there are plenty of operations that present a good game but turn out to be a mess, so I don't give someone the benefit of the doubt just because they talk a good game.  I'm wondering what actual security there is, since one of the few things I know about them is they relocate jurisdictions a lot to avoid regulatory oversight.  This is a major red flag to me.

(2)  Yes, if the coins depreciate more than the interest you earn, you lose more overall.  That's a concern on the investor side though.  I'm wondering how Binance can afford to to pay such high interest yields on deposits (the denomination doesn't matter, anyone paying interest has to make more than the cost of deposits otherwise they lose money).  So from Binance's perspective, if they're paying 45% APY on deposits, they have to earn more than 45% APY equivalent on those deposits otherwise they're just giving money away.  So that raises two questions:  (a) what are they doing with the deposits that allows them to earn more than 45% APY equivalent to make this profitable for them?  If nothing, then (b) if they're losing money on this, this is another huge red flag and suggests it's a scam.  Ponzi schemes aren't concerned with having a viable business plan because the "business plan" is just to incentivize as many deposits as possible by promising ridiculous returns (like 45% APY) because there's no intention of paying all of it back.  So either some investors lose everything because they're the last out of the scam, or everyone loses some when the scam collapses.

So the main concern is if Binance isn't making money by offering this, then everyone who invests in this is at risk (which puts at risk every other Binance depositor too, because insolvency isn't siloed into a particular coin).  And if they are making money on this, how?  If you can't answer this question, I don't think you should be participating in this offer.


But I also think that 45% is also very suspicious and a large figure, although it may be acceptable for some crypto coins.  But many people are accustomed to counting the annual interest on deposits in dollars or national currencies, and of course such large numbers seem to them to be a hoax or a Ponzi scheme. Smiley

It seems that you are not reading what I wrote properly. It 45% APY ( approximately per year ) capped at only 14 days saving which means after 14 days, you wont be able to get that deal anymore. Its a one time deal for 14 days with only 1.72% for the whole 14 days, 1.72% is not that big even if you go for the max cap of 100k token

because everything about it screams "red flag."

Maybe voice your concern to binance directly instead of posting in this thread? 1.72% ( 0.123% daily ) for a one time deal of 14 days is not a red flag. Pancakeswap and some other DEX offer around 0.25% daily on average on most their staking feature

The 1.72% over 14 days and 45% annually are the same scaled over different time periods, so it doesn't matter what the duration is.  If you can't make a profit offering 45% on deposits for a year, you can't do it over 14 days either, so the question is why intentionally take on a money-losing endeavor?  If Binance is a scam, you think they're gonna tell you because you asked them?  I'm looking for other thoughtful people who might have information I don't about this.  That's why I raised the question here.  And it's further relevant in this thread because if FUN is owned by this website as was said in this thread, it's a legitimate question for the owners of the coin, especially if they're touting the return potential without regard for whether or not any of this has been vetted.
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