Is your main method of contact a personal message to HashFast bitcointalk.org user?  I'm not finding any email addresses posted.  I can understand not giving dev crew's out, but shouldn't John give his?  I've searched this forum, google, their homepage, and there is no contact info.  At only a couple months out from shipping, I guess I would expect to be able to contact someone directly.  How can people come up with 500K without asking a few basic questions?

Until a little bit more information is released this is just speculation on speculation, but I'm setting up a Group Buy to start organizing interested parties, as people learn of this.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=266909.msg2854667#msg2854667



What is your point Crumbs?  This thread is about a product that will exist in the future.  Whether the cat will be alive or dead is yet to be determined.  You seem to be saying that people are jumping to conclusions too fast, maybe you are doing the same.

There is a large group of knowledgeable people working toward a goal.  Is that nothing?  This is how all chips have been created.  If your point is that people should not buy a product that doesn't exist, you've done that thoroughly.  Unfortunately people who wait until there is a finished product are too late in the ASIC game.

**UPDATE**  HashFast Sale is happening now, details are explained here.

Update on HashFast Sept 21, 2013
http://decentralizedhashing.com/2013/09/hashfast-tapeout-sierra-mpp-new-next-gen-chip/

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The prices on the HashFast machine are available, and the tables I made show probable values  
http://decentralizedhashing.com/bitcoin-mining-equipment-table/hashfast/
Relative values:
http://decentralizedhashing.com/bitcoin-mining-equipment-table/
Why HashFast?
https://hashfast.com/miner-protection-program/

Under the mining equipment table there is a new custom search bar that will search only mining equipment manufacturers pages, and forum topics.

I just change one number on the top of the table and everyone changes.  Many of the machines change value daily. 

I don't consider posting a question in a thread rude.  I think you are exaggerating the situation because you are realizing you have put a lot of work into something that isn't turning out the way you thought.

I didn't summon you, I figured you would be busy and probably have no need to check this thread again.  I was trying to communicate, and make that easier for you.  If it makes you angry that I did it in the public forum that is unfortunate.

I asked you a question that you weren't responding to.  I want to make sure I have proper information for each manufacturer.

My response turned into a question, this is why I posted in your thread.  I'm trying to understand your company.  That you respond in this tone suggests something here is upsetting you.  If it is that my information is wrong lets fix it.  I told you why I think it's not wrong, but either you're not reading it or you don't like what your product looks like and you're trying to hide it.

You still insist that my pricing is wrong.  I have a single equation that works on every manufacturer to show their pricing.  The price of your machine in bitcoin is not shown in the table anyway, so I'm not sure why you are focused on this.  You seem to think if I change the info all of a sudden your company will look much better.  Unfortunately this is what my table is for, showing people what is profitable.

The real problem is that K1's are not profitable.  There are no single Avalon chip units that are.  I'm sure you don't want this information spread.  It would be of benefit to you, everyone manufacturing them, and everyone buying them to switch to more condensed models that actually have a chance of ROI.  See what FastHash is doing?  Even if they don't make it there will be 10 to take their place.

I just want people to know what's going on, putting blinders on won't help.

Dear Bicknellski, why did you delete this message?  I think it is a succinct response to your criticism of my table.

I'm not sure what it means, but as I wasn't getting a response from Bicknellski I thought I'd post the message exactly as you see it posted here in the Big Picture Mining thread.  He deleted my message.

He may not want people to see his numbers in my table, or maybe thinks my response puts him in a negative light.

Whatever the reason, I'm rarely impressed by a person deleting things they don't like.  Doesn't exactly lead to transparency.

Yeah, they say they aren't even shipping until late Oct.

Under the column "Your Chips" you have a "no"  This is correct already I think.

All components for manufacturers are included, and if they are not I try to get estimates on what they will be.

I read Yifu remark that 450 is the hard cap.  I think people will be running these around 350 like you say, but every manufacturer using Avalon chips is listed at 282, since that is the claimed number, and the agreed upon hashrate.  I would only have to change one number to update everyone, so it's not an issue of time.  I just want to have an even field.
That being said, I've thought for a long time that Avalon and the rest of the manufacturers were underselling their selves.  Are you saying that you are going to sell the miner overclocked, or that you assume that people will use it this way?

The prices of each miner are linked directly to the price of bitcoin at the top of the table.  At the moment I'm showing .50BTC Maybe what you are seeing is the BTC/GH column at .56  The bitcoin per miner column is not shown on the website.

Page for each company is up.  These will be updated with extras, like multiple pricing scenarios on many models.


Big Picture Mining added

Have you completed your estimates of what your pricing will be for everything?  I would like to add you to my table, you have been in the links for a long time, but I'm not seeing anything in the OP that shows information I would need to add you.  (at least price and speed of miner)

At current difficulty I think you only get about 2 BTC per year for 400MH.  I wouldn't mention this, but on your page it still says about the 3 month ROI.  It's more like 18 months if difficulty increases by 0%.

Ok every column in every table has a new equation that makes it so I neither have to change any individual cell data, nor will I make a mistake doing so.  This naturally fixed a few errors.  I'm much happier at the current state.

Little Fury added.  They should have more for sale soon.

Tables for all companies on the list added, just putting up individual pages with links now.

Hehe..  stability.  All the traders are taking the 5 hour bathroom break they've been saving up for the week.

Yeah, I saw that..  There seems to be no good reason for it either, sad that another company in the bitcoin space acts like this.


Ok, it looks like our sites will work well together.  Your link is up on the miner page.

Nice updates on the forums.  I've been meaning to link to your page from decentralizedhashing.com, I've just been disorganized.  I'll put it on my mining equipment page, want me to link to a certain page, or just landing?

Notice VMC on adsense?  They seem to be the most borderline company..  I'd love to add to my table, but there are a couple things I can't get past..

Seems likely it will be 1 Million.  At just 8% difficulty hits 1M in February.  10% hits it just before the year is out.

Ok I changed the link for BitFury to the one you posted.  Also added the Oct. model.

Ok, rather than try to figure out what it will be I think I will show what people have requested and they can pick.  If the range is not large enough tell me why and most likely I'll be glad to accommodate.  I'm starting quite large though, please have a reason.

I meant if there was no spike upward from ASICs at all, we would still see growth in the next couple years from FPGA.  At the current prices of ASICs we could have about 15% growth in the year and there would still be a return for those getting their miners ASAP.  Prices could go down considerably now that the startup costs have been paid.  There are some companies that sell miners like crazy even though they have negative ROI.  
Like you say, though, the deciding factor will be if there is profit to be made.  With current tech we could average up to 25% before the new chip designs are unprofitable.  A good part will depend on the companies.  Are there a couple groups nobody knows about working on a design that they will use for their selves?  Will all the companies currently using the first generation ASIC designs go to gen 2 or 3?  They will have to, to remain competitive.
I agree this won't be like the big spikes of the past.  But it will be a well maintained plateau.  There are a lot of companies heavily invested in bringing ASICs online.  Even if bitcoin tanks and they wont even make their return, they'll still be plugged in by someone, as long as the energy cost vs price and a possibility of future markets exist.

edit - I realized the first sentence is not fully stated, and runs into the next idea. 
I was comparing the rate of growth at the end of a cycle of technology still being fairly high, and that you would expect the new tech to have a significant impact.