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241  Economy / Speculation / Re: Price gap between bitcoin exchanges; Regulation of BTC-E and others on: October 04, 2015, 09:31:47 PM
from regexlove's list, Perfect Money stands out. Isn't that a kind of spiritual successor to Liberty Reserve? A withdrawal option that doesn't require ID verification would easily explain a slightly lower exchange rate.
242  Economy / Speculation / Re: Price gap between bitcoin exchanges; Regulation of BTC-E and others on: October 04, 2015, 09:28:55 PM
It costs customers much more to deposit and withdraw Fiat to the btc-e. There, I think lies the answer why the price is always about $5-$7 smaller than at the Bitstamp or Bitfinex for example.

I don't think that holds water. Why would sellers settle for a lower price if they can just as well sell at other exchanges? The obvious answer would be that BTC-E offers withdrawal options other exchanges don't, probably more anonymous ones. Their FAQ doesn't make this entirely clear and I can't be bothered to sign up just to find out.
243  Economy / Speculation / Re: Price gap between bitcoin exchanges; Regulation of BTC-E and others on: October 04, 2015, 09:13:32 AM
You seem to be looking at incentives for buyers, but what about sellers? They're the ones who decide to sell at a lower rate than they could get elsewhere, so I'm guessing the answer lies with them. What withdrawal options does BTC-E offer - I assume ID verification is not an issue there unlike other exchanges...
244  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: September 30, 2015, 07:22:03 PM
My transaction was not included in the last 2 blocks which were 912.39 KB and 976.54 KB big.  The larger one was only 12 minutes long.

I used the recommended fee size.

Yeah the 1MB blocksize is just fine Tongue

Us nerds think this is some kind of "Duel of The Fates", but really it's a disagreement between the old guardian of Bitcoin , who's used to get things done, and the brilliant people he brought in to replace him, who's used to pulverize responsibility by dragging processes out until there's consensus. Or not do anything and pretend it's everyone else's fault. I'd love consensus on this thing, but it scares me that these guys would rather drag Bitcoin through the mud than make a decision. Bitcoin has a market cap of 3-4 billion usd atm. When it's 300-400 billion usd everything is going to be controversial. Everything is going to be difficult.

Keep in mind, for a smalll block proponent, no changes to blocksize are desirable. From that perspective, the status quo is fine and the standard fee will simply need to increase. If it's uneconomical for you to put your transactions on the blockchain, too bad.
245  Economy / Speculation / Re: The Bearish News Thread on: September 29, 2015, 02:39:50 PM
Hey Lambie, how's it feel like acting like a human being for a change? Congratulations on your personal growth!
246  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: September 28, 2015, 09:07:30 PM
But i would love to know how many actual Bitcoins are on Chinese hands and how many are involved to create these trading volumes.

Are there lists of known addresses controlled by any of the Chinese exchanges? Knowing how many coins they hold should help.
247  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: 21 Bitcoin Computer or Cloud Mining Website ? on: September 27, 2015, 12:01:56 PM
i voted third option, it's the safest right now, and it is the one that anyone with a sane mind should follow
Bitcoin price is the safest ? It has done worse than Ruble in 2014.

Did you check what options the poll presents?
248  Economy / Speculation / Re: Analysis never ends on: September 26, 2015, 07:27:05 AM
Oda.krell: I seem to have misunderstood your post. You were talking about taking a position after a breakout? I was talking about taking a position in anticipation of a breakou or breakdown, no knowing which way it will go. That was what the post you first replied to seemed to be about.
249  Economy / Exchanges / Re: Have you tried XAPO debit card? on: September 24, 2015, 10:35:57 AM
What makes it better than SEPA withdrawal from an exchange?
250  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2015-09-24] Bitcoin Knowledge is a Get-Out-of-Jail-Free Card on: September 24, 2015, 10:31:55 AM
http://digitalmoneytimes.com/crypto-news/bitcoin-knowledge-get-jail-free-card/

Bitcoin is in a position right now, where it can get you into a lot of trouble; but apparently out of trouble too!  We are not talking about the financial aspect of Bitcoin, but more about how virtual currency knowledge can be wielded to reduce jail time.  This scenario played out quite well for Pascal Reid, a person recently convicted for money laundering while selling Bitcoin.

Prevention is better than a cure,as always. The real lesson here is, if you're selling BTC to some stranger who insists on telling you what illegal use they're going to put it to, just walk away. The liability isn't worth your small profit.
251  Economy / Speculation / Re: Analysis never ends on: September 24, 2015, 10:20:35 AM
Oda.krell: worst case would be the same as always: a market move in the wrong direction, fast enough to either mess up the trading engine on whatever rinky-dink service you trade on, leaving your stops unexecuted or at least exexcuted well beyond their set price.

That's the thing about betting on fast big moves - when those happen,  the exchanges have a tendency to become unreliable.
252  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: September 13, 2015, 11:13:11 PM
If someone earns a substantial amount of XCoin that he does not intend to spend in a couple of months, he should use it to buy some more profitable investment.  That is how a currency is supposed to be used.

In an ideal world, this might be the case.

In the real world, when investments are more profitable than holding currency, in some significant cases this is because the economy is in a bubble state. What would happen if investors didn't have a way to step out of the game and say: "whoa, this is getting a bit rich for my blood!"? Selling assets for currency is one way of doing this, and is an important check on the boom part of the boom-bust cycle. This is what the idea of non-political money stems from in the first place - if the valuation of a currency can be centrally controlled, then market cycles can be manipulated beyond what the markets would otherwise support.
253  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: To stop centralization, you need to cap the Difficulty, not the Blocksize !!! on: September 13, 2015, 11:00:05 PM
when a pool solves a block, it cant submit a new block for atleast 2 blocks..
This is not possible, because the pool will change its mining address to hide identity.

This. If you can solve the identity verification problem required to do what franky1 is proposing, you've also made Bitcoin obsolete.
254  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Is escrowing for yourself using a secret alt OK? on: September 13, 2015, 10:26:50 PM
An "escrow scam" is where one party receives money into "escrow" (while being the escrow) and then fails to deliver the agreed upon goods. Is there someone that is claiming this happened to?

Jumping back here a little to poke holes in this argument. The above is like saying a ponzi scheme is only a scam once it stops paying out. That's nonsense. Leading trade partners to believe their investment is insured by a third party (the definition of escrow, after all) while posing as that third party is a scam. Charging fees for escrow when not providing the security of escrow is definitely a scam. If no-one got badly burnt yet by having the escrow provider unjustly settle a dispute in favour of himself, that's just because it didn't happen yet. Just like with a ponzi scheme.

A scam is a scam all along, it doesn't just turn into one when people find out about it.
255  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Is escrowing for yourself using a secret alt OK? on: September 13, 2015, 12:44:40 AM
So basically, Quickseller, what you're saying is, you engaged in trades where you required escrow to be used, and did not explicitly state the escrow agent used was you, yourself?
256  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Is escrowing for yourself using a secret alt OK? on: September 12, 2015, 10:28:19 PM
Man, what is this even?

Conflicts of interest can cause problems, I think that's clear. That's why it's important to be transparent about your personal connections if you're offering escrow services. Offering to escrow for your own trade using a secret alt is the exact opposite of transparency, and also does not offer your counterparty any of the protection escrow should offer.


If you think you're offering a decent service by escrowing for yourself with secret alts, why hide it? Is this actually what's happening? I find it hard to credit this is even being discussed.
257  Other / Meta / Re: mod needed in speculation on: September 12, 2015, 07:38:15 PM
It took me time to actually figure out what you're trying to tell us. Basically someone made a ton of newbie accounts and made a lot of threads (FUD) in the speculation sections.
Here is how it looks.

I'm reporting it to someone right now.

Sorry, I admit I assumed the staff are familiar with NotLambChop's ongoing quest to blackmail the admins into reinstating his banned account by creating a shitstorm with newbie accounts. Banning newbies from posting images helped a lot, it seems he's going for volume now.
258  Other / Meta / mod needed in speculation on: September 12, 2015, 06:24:20 PM
NLC has filled almost the entire 1st page of the spec subforum wih his spam. Easier for a mod to just go in and delete all  the threads than for us to report them individually.
259  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin XT has code which downloads your IP address to facilitate blacklisting on: September 08, 2015, 10:38:09 AM

Bitcoin began as a cheap payment network, but its destiny is gradual transition via marginalism to expensive (relative to ~free) high-value settlements and storage of value.  IOW, as blocks fill up, Layer 2 (payments) must be separated from Layer 1 (settlements) if Bitcoin is to scale rather than simply bloat until something breaks.

You edited out my topical response, leaving only the introductory color commentary.  I'll replace it (in bold), so everyone can admire your skill at misleading the public, which is after all the favorite activity of Gavinistas everywhere.   Cheesy

Bitcoin tx fees must be sufficient to replace declining block subsidies.  That can only happen with full blocks, as davout demonstates in BIP000.

Tx fees should be "expensive" in that sense, and eventually should be much higher than the sub-trivial currently ~free subsidized prices.

Full nodes must be "cheap-to-use" so ~everyone has the option to 1) be their own financial institution and 2) contribute to a diverse/diffuse/defensible/resilient network (especially during the inevitable crackdown(s) by the desperate dying Fiat Empire).

Mass adoption by currently enfranchised/banked consumers (who can just use their iphone paypal app instead) is not nearly as important as System D penetration.  As Justus famously declared, "only black markets matter; if you aren't helping build them you are wasting your time."

All of the above considerations' practical degrees of freedom are constrained by Nash's NSA Conjecture:

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Why is Nash’s “NSA” Conjecture Significant?

The relevance and significance here is that from the view I have described there is a conjecture that although bitcoin’s core principles THEORETICALLY can be changed, that the actuality of it is they cannot.

Ossification at 1MB (and 21e6 coins, and 10 minute blocks, and SHA256 PoW) is a feature, not a bug.   Cool

I don't think we really have different design goals in mind here. I agree that there's no point to Bitcoin without censorship-resistance.

Some points:

Blocksize vs. miner rewards. I don't see the link here as strongly as you do. It seems to me it's demand that will drive miner fees, not supply, whatever the blocksize. With an infinite maximum blocksize, anyone mining for profit would simply set their fee requirement to the whatever level they see fit. The differences between full blocks enforced by design and blocks with room to spare seem to me to be:

- resource usage, with the accompanying repercussions. To me, Blockchain bloat is more of an issue than the resources it takes to transmit a single block.
-transaction rate, obviously. Directly related to maximum potential userbase for direct on-chain transactions. Full blocks sets an arbitrary cap on this, and 1 mb was chosen pretty much at random.
-full blocks push out miners not motivated by direct profit. Potentially, those with large stakes in BTC success might see fit to mine even at a loss to secure the network, allowing for a larger amount of transactions. We won't know if there's no space for those transactions.

Total miner fees absent subsidies = (average TX fee) * (# of TX), right?

Full blocks caps # of TX in hopes the fee will rise. Non-full blocks hopes number of #TX will rise so fee doesn't have to.
I don't think you can say offhand that one of these clearly cannot happen.

Incidentally, and this is a bit of a digression but it worries me:
Absent block subsidies, Total miner fees = cost to secure network.

Cost to secure network / x =  cost to profitably attack network.

What is the optimal "x" for network security? How much should we be spending on securing the network? Currently the cost is pretty high thanks to the block subsidy. I'll admit to illiteracy here, an estimate for optimal network maintenance cost as % of market cap must have been hashed out at some point. I don't think aiming for current levels is desirable. Actually, if it turns out the security cost can't be lowered I think I'll have to take a much dimmer view of Bitcoin's prospects.

As for why I think mass adoption is necessary,  I should probably qualify that a bit. I think it's important that the network not consolidate into the hands of a few large players very early on. I'd prefer it never did but that's likely a pipe dream.  Currently, the hypothetical big players of crypto in the future are still small, because they require crypto to build the businesses that will make them big. Big players right now, in turn, are not likely to do anything very interesting at all with crypto, because they're already successful even without it, and are too entrenched in the financial system to risk upsetting it. So in a nutshell, my worry is that capping userbase too low too early will lead to a situation where the only parties with the clout to use the system are those with no interest in running it.

Finally, 2nd layer transactions - in principle I have no problem with these, it's the accompanying reduction in trust that worries me. Not trustworthiness when it comes to single transactions, I worry about cascading failures. The risk would depend on the particular off-chain solution used, but overall I worry that for convenience's sake, pushin most users off the blockchain will result in them choosing convenient, centralized options. I worry we'll end up with most users of crypto actually transacting in IOUs or other nontransparent assets. I worry about linchpins in such systems - what if mt gox had been the Paypal of BTC?

With on-chain transactions, you can prove holdings. It's not done enough but at least it can be done. IMO we need to increase the real trustworthiness of payments in BTC, not decrease them. Otherwise we risk cascading defaults, with people accepting as payment, and passing on again, assets whose backing they're not able to assess.

Solve that for off-chain transactions, I'm all for them. However then I'd ask what we need Bitcoin for if this problem can be solved for a lower resource cost.


260  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: September 06, 2015, 09:18:27 PM
Gentlemen - Slightly off topic but I bring you good news. NotLambChop's life will pretty much be in ruins now Grin


Due to abuse, newbie-posted embedded images are now disabled on these pages:
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Thread confirming this - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1172918.0

The forum (especially speculation) is now a better place.


It's been a while since I saw ANSI goatse... I expect that's about to change.
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