If I had the power to change one seemingly trivial thing about the human race, it would be eliminating useless body hair.
The hair we no longer need is being slowly evolved out. There was a time when we needed it, and evolution doesn't happen instantly. Right, which is why I keep looking for a wizard to please. I want it gone now! |
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If Amazon, the final frontier, ever accepts BTC and converts 0% of it to fiat (instead, paying BTC to all who previously got paid fiat), I'd probably point bitcoin.com there (or have a geo redirect so if you're in the UK you get sent from bitcoin.com to amazon.co.uk instead of amazon.com - unless amazon.com itself already redirects like that).
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What if you bought a donator account, but then the forum software could flip a switch to take away your privileges to 1) post in any subforum where BTC can change hands 2) send/receive PMs 3) have a sig, avatar, personal text, any IM usernames 4) post or edit anything without having it first run past moderators?  |
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If I had the power to change one seemingly trivial thing about the human race, it would be eliminating useless body hair.
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Seems like the trust system, without any burden of proof required to be attached to each rating for peer review under common law rules of evidence which everyone can understand (and then thrash insufficient proofs, citing the rules), is more of an indicator of "is this person involved in any drama?" rather than "is this person fucking trustworthy or not? here are the proofs."
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He left you a neutral rating. What are you crying about?
Indeed. Note that all I did was revoke my surrender*, originally offered in the false hope that he would stop his libelous posting pattern (including that he would delete his prior libel against me. Perhaps that implication was unclear.) if it will stop Wardrick's libelous posting pattern, I have no attachment to being on DT. Setting recent posts aside, in light of the OP remaining as it was 6 months ago with that opening line, et al, and his neglect to delete his libel here and here (anywhere else?)... *I could have decided to ignore the consistency between Vod and I's reasoning yet inconsistent treatment thereof, and said, "I'm going to neg trust him again, even though it won't get anyone justice!", or just had a PTSD attack and started treating the entire forum as my enemies for not removing him from DT for libel or nuking him altogether (which also hasn't happened to those who Vod says libeled him). What a shame, PTSD really shouldn't be weaponized into a communicable disorder. |
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Wow, TBZ. If that doesn't highlight the good-old-boy network nature of the DefaultTrust, I don't know what does. If DefaultTrust wasn't such an elitist, ivory tower of the chosen few, this wouldn't even be a topic. But the fact that that it is a topic and the fact that it comes up so frequently just highlights how bad it really is. The only people arguing for DefaultTrust are those in it. Take a step back and think about that for a moment. :/ This topic exists because I had some time and needed some data, no huge conspiracy. I think he meant the topic with TheButterZone in the title. |
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Wow, TBZ. If that doesn't highlight the good-old-boy network nature of the DefaultTrust, I don't know what does. If DefaultTrust wasn't such an elitist, ivory tower of the chosen few, this wouldn't even be a topic. But the fact that that it is a topic and the fact that it comes up so frequently just highlights how bad it really is. The only people arguing for DefaultTrust are those in it. Take a step back and think about that for a moment. Oh, I'm not arguing for it, I just prayed for relief from a specific injustice under the dominant imperfect system, and it was granted. Libertarians who sue the government over its civil rights violations aren't arguing for totalitarianism!  |
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Libeler (OP) has default trust T2, libeler's victim (me) was wiped from T2=injustice done.
You are both in the default trust network at depth 2. I think BadBear recently added him to his trust list. TBZ was not previously in default trust network (level 2) for a while now. Maybe I'm blind? https://i.imgur.com/Upm5ZFv.jpgNot blind no, but relying on a snapshot of a trust list at a single point in time is going to give you outdated information, trust lists aren't static. I did add you back to my trust list. At the time I posted: ...I hereby retract my surrender...
that was based on not seeing myself on that graph, but that Wardrick was on it (graph modified "May 15, 2015 at 16:04:58") Took some hacking of my settings to see that I am back on your undertier now. Thanks! Complaint resolved. |
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Libeler (OP) has default trust T2, libeler's victim (me) was wiped from T2=injustice done.
You are both in the default trust network at depth 2. I think BadBear recently added him to his trust list. TBZ was not previously in default trust network (level 2) for a while now. Maybe I'm blind? https://i.imgur.com/Upm5ZFv.jpg |
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Someone that, over time, slanders others, will eventually make their way onto people's ignore list. If you really are as honest as others believe you to be (and as I believe you to be) (and as you present yourself to be) then no one will take such slander without proof.
Just because proof is an absolute defense to libel/slander does not mean that libel/slander lacking proof isn't a revocation of trust-worthy offense in any just society. Well my point is that just because someone is libeling you does not make them a scammer. There are plenty of examples both here and in the real world when people have libeled others, could not back up their claims with facts and then lost credibility. (FWIW, you still appear in my trust list and I have not excluded you from my list- therefore I personally find your ratings credible) And as I said back then... If someone is willing to damage someone's reputation by lying about their commission of the ultimate individual crime of violence (second overall only to mass murder), that's far worse IMO than simply committing property crimes, aka scamming. Perhaps there should be a double negative rating that covers accusations and defenses of heinous violent crimes.
To make it absolutely clear...
Murder>Theft
Well my point is that just because someone is libeling you does not make them a scammer.
Maybe not a scammer, but certainly untrustworthy. TS for example, tried for months to damage my credibility with libel. In my mind, that makes him untrustworthy and I left the appropriate trust. So as we can see here, Vod's general reasoning on libel and neg trust is functionally indistinguishable from mine. I wonder what would have happened if my libeler targeted Vod instead of or in addition to me? Would Vod, like me, have been wiped off the trust map entirely because 1) THAT libeler is special 2) no other libeler in Vod's opinion, appears to be special enough to wipe him 3) Vod doesn't believe himself to be "protected"? this was my final edit, you can quote safely now |
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There are fates worse than death.
Death by mau mau? A card game? LOL Anyway, yes, when murdering pieces of shit WANT to be martyrs, why should we grant their wishes? Maybe make every single second of the rest of their lives an eternity in hell, hooked up to autonomous life support, never able to see another human being until their natural deaths decades later. "You won't die, but you won't truly be alive, either." |
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Someone that, over time, slanders others, will eventually make their way onto people's ignore list. If you really are as honest as others believe you to be (and as I believe you to be) (and as you present yourself to be) then no one will take such slander without proof.
Just because proof is an absolute defense to libel/slander does not mean that libel/slander lacking proof isn't a revocation of trust-worthy offense in any just society. In a libel action, unless the plaintiff is a public official or public figure, the plaintiff does not need to prove financial damages. The common law has made a policy determination that the publication of defamatory statements in a transmittable, affixed form that is capable of widespread and simple dissemination will certainly cause damage and therefore damage to one's reputation or character is enough for a court to impose damages. The libel was complete regardless if anyone will admit to believing in it. |
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One look at the DefaultTrust network, especially at depth 2 reveals what a sham the whole system is. Many of those in tier 2 use the system as a weapon and give negative feedback that has nothing to do with trust or no trust. Heck, a fair portion of those in or previously in tier 1 have done the same thing. Tell me, how are those people any more trustworthy than a random person on the internet? The answer is, they aren't. They should not be trusted by default. I disagree. People who engage in this kind of practice tend to get removed from the default trust network pretty quickly. There are plenty of examples of people getting removed quickly after engaging in this kind of activity. There are also a lot of examples of people claiming abuse when there is really none that results in people not being removed - these people are almost universally scammers. And then there's my example, where someone aggressively libeled me, I defended myself the only way I could afford to (can't afford a lawyer), I got removed from default trust T2 x2 as if I was one of those "almost universally scammers". Now I see the aggressor is at T2 off BadBear's T1, 6 months after I was removed from T2, an eternity in internet time. Should I presume the aggressor was at T2 the entire 6 months, or did they get suspended and reinstated at T2, or is everyone's memory so short that he got T2 for the first time only after libeling me?  for justice. Why should libelers' ratings be endorsed by default trust? |
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There are fates worse than death.
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Hmm, I was able to find my libeler at level 2 and their sponsor at level 1. There's 2 excludes for my list!
Wonder how many more are at level 2 that I've left neg or neutral trust on...
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