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2521  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The war on drugs killed my daughter on: June 30, 2014, 06:01:09 AM

I'm of the opinion that most synthetic/unnatural drugs end up destabilizing the equilibrium under which neural feedback pathways work.


Woah, woah, woah. You are barking up the wrong tree here my friend. There is no such thing as "unnatural". That's a complete fallacy. You're claiming that two chemicals that are identical, one derived from an organism, and the other synthesised in a lab, yet functionally equivalent, will have different effects when consumed in identical situations?


Not exactly. I'm claiming that synthetic molecules that would not exist from organically (perhaps co-)evolved processes (i.e. not in a lab from fallible humans playing God) tend to not be meant for our bodies which evolved in for the most part untampered nature for the majority of our timeline. As an example, synthetic Vitamin C (D-ascorbate) is not the full Vitamin C complex (L configuration of ascorbate):
"Ascorbate may also act as an antioxidant against oxidative stress. However, the fact that the enantiomer D-ascorbate (not found in nature) has identical antioxidant activity to L-ascorbate, yet far less vitamin activity,[3] underscores the fact that most of the function of L-ascorbate as a vitamin relies not on its antioxidant properties, but upon enzymic reactions that are stereospecific.

[3]Aboul-Enein HY, Al-Duraibi IA, Stefan RI, Radoi C, Avramescu A (1999). "Analysis of L- and D-ascorbic acid in fruits and fruit drinks by HPLC". Seminars in Food Analysis 4 (1): 31–37.

So, my supposition is that things like MDMA and amphetamines are typically bad for you because 1) the chemical reaction from breaking these molecules down is not something our bodies evolved to break down and 2) the bioactivity from these reactions taking place in our bodies disturb the sensitive equilibrium they were meant to operate at.

What destabilization of neural pathway equilibrium do you mean specifically? Neuroreceptors?

Also, every single drug, prescription or not has been synthesized in a lab.

Take an Organic Chemistry course and learn about the ways molecules interact
Don't condescend me please. If you any sense of reading comprehension, I refer to molecules that are only synthesized in labs and not synthesized in nature. The example I used, D-ascorbate, is not synthesized in nature. I understand that we can mimic natural chemical processes to synthesize the L- enantiomer configuration of Vitamin C and other naturally synthesized chemicals, but we don't always do this.

And yes, neuroreceptors, but that refers to drugs' mechanism of action upon receptors. I was talking about the byproducts of breaking down synthetic unnatural drugs and the chemical effects from said reactions and the oxidative stress they can induce. I understand that metabolism of natural foods cause oxidative stress too, but the interactions of molecules the body didn't evolve to interact with under optimal living conditions are arguably harder on the body, as resilient as the body is.

Destabilization of neural pathways can be inherent in any addictive drug, synthetic or not. For those not familiar, uppers like caffeine, MDMA, cocaine, and amphetamines increase the release of the amine transmitters of serotonin and dopamine (and norepinephrine, but that is not so much a learning neurotransmitter). Our brains have an equilibrium that uses these neurotransmitters for signaling pathways. When uppers are introduced to a delicate equilibriated system, the novel experience, the resulting flood of serotonin and dopamine, disturbs the brain's learned sense of baseline. Afterwards, under normal conditions (without the drug), the brain would never release the same amount of neurotransmitters without these agonists acting upon the receptors to heavily induce signal cascades of said neurotransmitters.  As such, people feel different, or "off" in some sort, after the comedown of drugs . That's why you see people grow to believe they cannot function as well without caffeine or amphetamines (in addition to the reward learning mechanism that comes from dopamine release). That's why people that go to bad concerts chase that good roll but never are able to again without taking higher doses (excitotoxicity, over excitation of receptors and their subsequent destruction also plays a, probably compounding, role). That's why people don't enjoy parties as much without cocaine if they've had a blast doing cocaine before. I've seen it all before, I'm in a frat. It is reversible.

it's the same thing with opiate abuse. Our body has a learned sense of equilibrium of pain. We sit here and we're healthy and nothing is causing us pain, it is because opiate system is in equilibrium. When you flood your opiate receptors with heroin, your brain feels a rush of pleasure and your learned baseline ticks up a bit towards a higher level of opiates for what it considers should be normal. When the opiate leaves the system, since the baseline is adjusted, people feel a bit off because their bodies do not naturally release as many opioid neurotransmitters as compared to when induced by an opiate. If a cycle of abuse is established, the baseline ticks up higher and higher. In the event an addict cannot get more, the pain baseline is so high that without an external agent inducing more opiate release, the normal trickle of opioid neurotransmitters from the brain will not enough for normalcy and addicts actually start feeling pain. Again, reversible, but not easy.

Anyway, what I was trying to say with synthetic psychoactive drugs is that they attempt to specifically target these receptors and as such destabilize the equilibrium and in addition to their possibly unnatural synthesis, the resulting decomposition might have adverse effects on the body as well, perhaps moreso than naturally synthesized analogs.

You add a lot of fluff by defining terms. Thanks captain wikipedia.

The point is there is no source or proof for what you're proposing. It's just your opinion.
2522  Other / Politics & Society / Re: North Korea Throws Another Temper Tantrum on: June 30, 2014, 05:48:15 AM
Kim farted, I mean, launched 2 projectiles into the sea off the Korean peninsula.
Quote
(CNN) -- North Korea fired two projectiles Sunday that "appear to be short-range missiles" into the sea off the eastern coast of the Korean peninsula, a South Korean defense ministry official told CNN.
The launch took place shortly before 5 a.m. (4 p.m. ET Saturday), according to the official. The projectile's estimated range is 500 km (310 miles).
This is the second reported launch by North Korea in recent days.
On Thursday, U.S. and South Korean government officials reported North Korea had launched three projectiles from its southeastern coast.
http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/28/world/asia/north-korea-missile-launch/index.html?hpt=hp_t2
I wonder what he's crying over this time.
He seems to be much more immature then his father was. I sometimes wonder how it is that he stays in power and why his people do not overthrow his government with how he treats his people and how outrageous he acts.

The propaganda is so structured and the nation so isolated. The population does not know how good life can be outside the walls of its country.

I remember reading about one North Korean that escaped from a labor camp. He decided to make a run for it when he saw a crate for food that had an expiration date on it. The fact that food was plentiful enough to spoil in other parts of the world was enough to convince him to make an attempt to escape.

Scary to think how brainwashed an entire nation can be.
2523  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why has the left wing abandoned Israel? on: June 30, 2014, 05:38:47 AM
2524  Other / Meta / Re: What about any of the posts I've seen would entice anyone to join/adopt bitcoin? on: June 30, 2014, 02:06:02 AM
The real question is...do you make any posts that don't sound like a sobbing little girl?  Undecided
2525  Other / Meta / Re: About trust on: June 30, 2014, 01:58:24 AM
That's a pretty deep thought right there...
2526  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The war on drugs killed my daughter on: June 30, 2014, 01:45:36 AM

I'm of the opinion that most synthetic/unnatural drugs end up destabilizing the equilibrium under which neural feedback pathways work.


Woah, woah, woah. You are barking up the wrong tree here my friend. There is no such thing as "unnatural". That's a complete fallacy. You're claiming that two chemicals that are identical, one derived from an organism, and the other synthesised in a lab, yet functionally equivalent, will have different effects when consumed in identical situations?


Not exactly. I'm claiming that synthetic molecules that would not exist from organically (perhaps co-)evolved processes (i.e. not in a lab from fallible humans playing God) tend to not be meant for our bodies which evolved in for the most part untampered nature for the majority of our timeline. As an example, synthetic Vitamin C (D-ascorbate) is not the full Vitamin C complex (L configuration of ascorbate):
"Ascorbate may also act as an antioxidant against oxidative stress. However, the fact that the enantiomer D-ascorbate (not found in nature) has identical antioxidant activity to L-ascorbate, yet far less vitamin activity,[3] underscores the fact that most of the function of L-ascorbate as a vitamin relies not on its antioxidant properties, but upon enzymic reactions that are stereospecific.

[3]Aboul-Enein HY, Al-Duraibi IA, Stefan RI, Radoi C, Avramescu A (1999). "Analysis of L- and D-ascorbic acid in fruits and fruit drinks by HPLC". Seminars in Food Analysis 4 (1): 31–37.

So, my supposition is that things like MDMA and amphetamines are typically bad for you because 1) the chemical reaction from breaking these molecules down is not something our bodies evolved to break down and 2) the bioactivity from these reactions taking place in our bodies disturb the sensitive equilibrium they were meant to operate at.

What destabilization of neural pathway equilibrium do you mean specifically? Neuroreceptors?

Also, every single drug, prescription or not has been synthesized in a lab.

Take an Organic Chemistry course and learn about the ways molecules interact
2527  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Is it unethical to participate in a Ponzi scheme knowing full well it will fail? on: June 30, 2014, 01:41:40 AM
It is definitely wrong morally to profit knowing someone will suffer from the perpetuation of the scam.

There are other ways for people to learn about financial responsible instead of being scammed
2528  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The era of American drone supremacy is fading on: June 30, 2014, 01:37:17 AM
You have to pay to read the full article?

The legal and morality issues surrounding drone strikes is very murky and as a result very scary.  That fact that Obama can order a drone strike on an AMERICAN in a foreign country is worrisome and sets a dangerous precedent. Anwar Al-Awlaki had extremist views and supported terrorism but he was an American citizen murdered by a drone without any sort of legal trial by a jury of his peers.

As an American I'm not really intimidated or scared by other countries gaining drones. The US defense budget is so bloated that America will maintain military supremacy for some time.
2529  Other / Off-topic / Re: FIFA World Cup 2014!!! on: June 30, 2014, 01:24:07 AM
Greece lost a game that deserve to win. Costa rica was mediocre in game. Greece has very good opportunities to score and a great defence. But that is football...

More like Costa Rica had a chance to close it out in the final few minutes but couldnt hang on and finished in penalities.

Even with 10 men Greece couldn't score until last minute deflection. They definitely didnt deserve to win
2530  Other / Off-topic / Re: FIFA World Cup 2014!!! on: June 29, 2014, 07:07:37 PM
Both teams deserved to win, but I'm happier that Netherlands was the one to win(they disclassified would mess my parlays);


Hope that Costa Rica wins by 4vs0 against the greeks, Greece has an awfull defensive football and they deserved to lose al their group stage matches


Agreed. Greek football is terrible to watch. They barely squeezed by group stage competition and will be up against a formidable Costa Rican side. Hopefully they get destroyed
2531  Other / Off-topic / Re: FIFA World Cup 2014!!! on: June 29, 2014, 05:59:56 PM
Yay I got Holland at 16/1  when they were losing  Smiley


Come on 40 seconds !

Beautiful odds man. I feel lucky I saved my bet

2532  Other / Off-topic / Re: FIFA World Cup 2014!!! on: June 29, 2014, 05:55:14 PM
Incredible!! Orange convert! Beautiful. What an amazing comeback by the Netherlands!
2533  Other / Off-topic / Re: FIFA World Cup 2014!!! on: June 29, 2014, 05:20:16 PM
Now I backed Holland.

Come on the Orange!

Netherlands can still come back. They have many attacking threats
2534  Other / Off-topic / Re: FIFA World Cup 2014!!! on: June 29, 2014, 04:55:41 PM
Anyone know where I can bet on the world cup live? I really fancy the chances of mexico winning this game.

You can at nitrogensports.eu

And there is Mexico with a goal. Wow.
2535  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: California governor signs bill to bring bitcoin and other currency into fold on: June 29, 2014, 04:52:34 PM
This is not a victory. Us celebrating this means they can think the legality of bitcoin is up for discussion.

That would be up for discussion anyway. This is a victory in that it is being embraced
2536  Other / Off-topic / Re: FIFA World Cup 2014!!! on: June 29, 2014, 04:49:19 PM
Missed penalty call!!!

Robben struck twice in the box and no call! Why is the ref so far away from action?
2537  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: BTC Rewards for Mobile Gaming! on: June 29, 2014, 04:46:39 PM
I would be interested but how would it be implemented?

What kind of games could you compete for BTC?
2538  Other / Off-topic / Re: FIFA World Cup 2014!!! on: June 29, 2014, 04:39:35 PM
I gotta say I think the hot, humid South American climate is helping the teams with similar climates back home. The Holland team already look sweaty as hell while the Mexicans look comfortable.

Definitely the weather is a factor here. Never seen cooling breaks before
2539  Other / Off-topic / Re: Earth is hollow on: June 29, 2014, 03:41:27 PM
How do you know it is solid and doesn't resemble the form of an atom?

Because magnetism and gravity yo
2540  Other / Off-topic / Re: FIFA World Cup 2014!!! on: June 29, 2014, 03:33:13 PM
What is up with this Netherlands line??

They should handle Mexico. The triangle of robben, van persie, and sneidjer is too much
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