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2521  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash | First Anonymous Coin | Inventor of X11, DGW, Darksend and InstantX on: February 25, 2016, 10:47:06 AM
Latest attendance list for the round table.  For fun, pick one of the faces behind the troll campaigns that we encounter on this forum  Shocked

Confirmed 2016 Participants include (in alphabetical order):

[...]
Riccardo Spagni, Monero
[...]

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It's a legit legal site isn't it?

Well it is not like I have accused Riccardo of being a XMR mining botnet master or anything  Wink

cough, cough, errrm


Let's try and stay on topic.

I'd still like to know who was selling Dash on the basic of "ASIC resistance" and what reasons they had for claiming X11 is anything but trivially discretized.
2522  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 25, 2016, 10:40:38 AM
Imagining iCEBREAKER, kicking back after a long day of R3KTing gavinista lolcows... finds relaxation in crappy sitcoms, now that's funny.  Smiley

I only watch really good sitcoms.  No basic crap like BBT.  Peep Show if nothing else is out.  Did you see the Portlandia with Matt Berry?   Grin

Are you grumpy because Samson Mow is sending up the Gavinistas with such great aplomb?  Gee, that's just too bad!   Tongue
2523  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash | First Anonymous Coin | Inventor of X11, DGW, Darksend and InstantX on: February 25, 2016, 10:16:19 AM
Latest attendance list for the round table.  For fun, pick one of the faces behind the troll campaigns that we encounter on this forum  Shocked

Confirmed 2016 Participants include (in alphabetical order):

[...]
Riccardo Spagni, Monero
[...]

Brought to you and paid for by Gambling Losses™



Let's try and stay on topic.

I'd still like to know who was selling Dash on the basic of "ASIC resistance" and what reasons they had for claiming X11 is anything but trivially discretized.
2524  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero Speculation on: February 25, 2016, 10:07:12 AM
Let's not leave out:

Code:
Confirmed 2016 Participants include (in alphabetical order):

Roger Ver, CEO, Memory Dealers / Bitcoin.com

Disclaimer: Bitcoin.com is not affiliated with any of the above-mentioned businesses
The publication Wired details that investors such as Naval Ravikant and the Digital Currency Group’s Barry Silbert have invested over $700,000 USD into the startup.
Those investors include Naval Ravikant, an investor in Twitter and Uber, Barry Silbert, the founder of startup equity-trading platform SecondMarket, and Roger Ver, a staunch libertarian who’s invested in bitcoin startups Blockchain.info and Bitpay

Bitcoin Judas was going to be on the list, but I excluded him due to positive past contributions.  There may be hope for Roger if he has a come-to-Satoshi moment.

Strongarm, Daftfield, and Marshmallong have only set us back with their wretched scumminess and villainy.
2525  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero Speculation on: February 25, 2016, 09:05:32 AM
Just seen the attendance list for this weekend's Satoshi Roundtable.

Good luck fluffypony - aka Riccardo Spagni. Smiley

Code:
Confirmed 2016 Participants include (in alphabetical order):

Brian Armstrong, CEO, Coinbase
Evan Duffield, Founder/Lead Scientist, Dash
Marshall Long, CTO, Final Hash

The phrase "wretched hive of scum and villainy" comes to mind.

What if Evan caught something communicable from that stripper in Miami?   Embarrassed

I'd rather our dear pony stay home, drink wine, and code.  Or Netflix, dog, wife, and chill.
2526  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: ToominCoin aka "Bitcoin_Classic" #R3KT on: February 25, 2016, 08:39:05 AM
Open source software generally both cooperates and competes. Handled well the benefits of the former offset the costs of the latter and the result is a gain for everyone. --- but software differentiating in consensus rules is the worst kind of competition: competition here can deprive users of the practical freedom to use their preferred software, and the fight risks leaving a salted earth in its wake.

So in the social UX layer, it's the ever-looming potential loss of "practical freedom to use their preferred software" that puts the criteria in 'consensus-critical.'  If the data layer is borked by some catastrophe, the nodes are mostly useless for their users.

Not being a hippie an altruist, I'd reverse or at least equate the assumptions w/r/t linking the benefits of cooperation and costs of competition.  Dodo Island Effect, don't you know.

Then I'd invert the frame, asking if it is possible to compete at being the most cooperative ('frenemies')!   Cheesy


Microsoft was a pioneer of business strategy based on making incompatible extensions to formats, first leveraging their network effect and then-- after introducing incompatible changes-- using it against them, an approach they themselves called embrace, extend, extinguish. Worse than zero sum, these kinds of moves can be tremendously damaging overall.

Bitcoin's creator described alternative implementations as a likely "menace to the network"-- words which I think were spoken with an early insight into the incredible difficulty in making distinct software actually consensus compatible even when that is your highest goal, an art our industry is still just learning.  I wish we'd built mechanisms earlier on for better ways to enable diversity in the non-consensus parts without ending up with unintended diversity in the consensus parts.  But we play the hand we're dealt. The potential harms from consensus disagreements from mistakes in re-implementation are tiny in comparison to those from adversarial implementations which intentionally push incompatible rules.

Very profound.  Great catch on pointing out I'd mistakenly referred to as "zero-sum" contentious hard forks' negative-sum game theoretics.

It's important to emphasize a Pyrrhic GavinCoin victory doesn't involve a smooth transfer of power from Evil Core to Heroic Classic.

There are Samson Options on the table.  Many Gavinistas actually want a moment of maximal risk, either because they don't own many Bitcoins or like the narrative appeal of a TV Trope style Cathartic Scream.

If hard-forkers insist on a first strike in the form of a "75/25" split, the rest of the network may respond with their Doomsday Machine, aka PoW change.

The sum productivity of such a situation quickly drops from zero to extremely negative.  Perhaps that's just creative destruction at work.

But the recriminations will surely flow, as the Gavinistas survey the decimated Bitcoin ecosystem and exclaim "Look what you made me do!"
2527  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 25, 2016, 07:53:21 AM
Are all zero fee transactions included in Litecoin, Dash, monero, etherium?  Bitcoin is losing market share because competitors are underpricing us. 

I'm sure they'd be ever so excited to receive any actual transactions regardless of fees.

Whell, at least they got a monero logo placed on the top thread of both r/btc and r/bitcoin for most of today... nice work iCE.  Undecided


That's fucking hilarious.   Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

The Venn diagram of Monero is pure genius (and represents the tip of an inverted 3-sided Exter Pyramid).  I expect the Redditurds will react to it like apes to the monolith in 2001.
2528  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: How about Vanilla coin on: February 25, 2016, 07:31:03 AM
what's the big deal with vnl anyway?

what makes it better than the thousands of coins out there?

Only big deal about vnl was the hype.

Nothing made it better than the other shitcoins.

Unlike ShadowCash, vnl isn't even cool enough to be broken by Shen.

vnl is only famous for having stolen code, and a dev that attacked GMAX for pointing out that fact.

2/10.  Lame.  Would Not Pump Again.
2529  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] SuperNET trades on Poloniex as UNITY, asset id 12071612744977229797 on: February 25, 2016, 07:23:42 AM
I am coding, but sometimes it requires to solve a way to decentralize asset ownership across blockchains

I think Factom and a dozen other start-ups/altcoins are working on decentralized asset ownership across blockchains.

Why not work with them instead of doing it solo?

Join the ETH/Rootstock ecosystem.  You can't do it all by yourself.  Not even with the power of Java Class Libraries!   Tongue
2530  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 25, 2016, 07:07:43 AM
What a douche.

Yes, HostFat has really lost it over "ZOMG RITE MEOW" blocksize drama.

He seems to be in shellshock from the utter loss of XT, and may never recover (especially given how Classic is floundering).   Undecided
2531  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] BitcoinDark (BTCD)--Financial_Privacy/SuperNET_Core/InstantDEX/PAX/Divs on: February 25, 2016, 06:08:30 AM
For those not following NXT, I have been divorced from NXT.

https://nxtforum.org/core-development-discussion/nxt-2-0-design/msg210601/#msg210601

The above is my last post in the NXT forum, unless the fNXT plan is revoked. fNXT is not NXT and NXT lifetime is limited, so we will need to migrate the NXT assets to a different blockchain.

Now before you panic, I like to make lemonade out of lemons, so like BC2 led to iguana, fNXT has led to: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1372879

A passport system for assets that allows the asset holder to decide the blockchain they want to reside in. While the PoS mechanism is fully protecting the NXT holders as designed, it allows the creation of a hardfork that ignores other parts of the ecosystem, like assets.



iguana unites all the bitcoin compatibles using technology. It is inching toward completion and we even have a freelancer based GUI dev team now, using fully open source development.

docs.supernet.org shows the API and in spite of the external events that keep happening to cause delays, we still march on. This is a marathon and we will complete it.

James

Thanks for the link.  I've never encountered a stronger Bogon field than in that thread.

Bogon flux was measured at over 9000 Anonymints, before the bogometer spontaneously transmogrified into a brochure for a time-share development in prime Florida swampland.
2532  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 25, 2016, 05:56:11 AM
This might help clear out some of the cobwebs of your confusion adam...    Kiss



idk the guy, he's chinese i assumed he was a big blocker.

peter todd shouldn't be allowed to have friends.

Samson Mow is the best comedian working in the Bitcoin space.  And FYI he's Canadian.

Can we get him to write a sitcom about Peter Todd and Luke Jr as an odd couple that somehow gets locked in a room together in every episode?

I'm picturing a sort of Peep Show meets Big Bang Theory angsty geekfest of feisty mutual loathing with occasional rapport and reconciliation.   Grin

Richard Ayoade as The Todd.  David Mitchell as Luke?  Benedict Wong can play Samson when they break the fourth wall.   Tongue
2533  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 25, 2016, 03:45:56 AM
Nay!
Blogchain knoweth of Adam and his doings; the Blogchain revengeth! Blogchain is jealous and dost judge and punish him!
For it is written, Thou shalt not tempt the Blogchain thy Blogchain.

Any so foolish as to poke, tickle, or otherwise Disturb the Holy Honey Blogger shall be sore vexed with His sharpened Claws, and pointy Teeth, as well as the the stings of His Bees and bite of His Cobra.  Also, being trampled by a retreating, panick-stricken Zebra is not out of the question.

Let napping Honey Bloggers lie, for you are Mortal and contain many pain-transmitting nerves, while They really do Not give a shit.
2534  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero Speculation on: February 25, 2016, 03:26:22 AM
Yeah sorry, it's definite now. No more cheap coins, you had your chance. Here come the 30's.

People are beginning to understand how multisig+RingCT+GUI will transform quiet, sleepy Monero Mountain into a bustling boomtown.

How will it compare to/compete with multilsig+CT+CoinJoin?

That's mostly an empirical question in the sense of their respective market responses.

But in theory, (assuming Bitcoin gets sidechains and CT) Monero will have some advantages.  EG https://github.com/monero-project/kovri.

I'm not sure if/how a BTC CT sidechain would support multisig.  Answer might be here: https://people.xiph.org/~greg/confidential_values.txt

AFAIK, CoinJoin isn't really competitive with ring sigs in the anon space, as it entails counterparty risk.
2535  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash | First Anonymous Coin | Inventor of X11, DGW, Darksend and InstantX on: February 25, 2016, 03:11:46 AM
One of DASH's major selling points was that it is ASIC resistant. We should keep it this way, to avoid centralization!

Too late, X11 ASICs exist and are being put into production.

Who told you Dash is "ASIC resistant?"

When and where did that false rumor get started?
2536  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero Speculation on: February 25, 2016, 03:04:32 AM
Yeah sorry, it's definite now. No more cheap coins, you had your chance. Here come the 30's.

People are beginning to understand how multisig+RingCT+GUI will transform quiet, sleepy Monero Mountain into a bustling boomtown.
2537  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: ToominCoin aka "Bitcoin_Classic" #R3KT on: February 25, 2016, 02:46:43 AM
Instead of flashy rhetoric you should concentrate on the fact that competing implementations is healthy; but the ones that threaten to break protocol are dangerous. That's what sold me.

Competing implementations of Bitcoin, such as Litecoin and Primecoin, are called altcoins because they establish their own independent alternative socioeconomic consensuses/majorities.

Hostile implementations of Bitcoin, such as XT and Classic, are declarations of war because they attempt to threaten Bitcoin's existing consensus-critical distributed ledger.

But there are other implementations, like libbitcoin I believe, that aren't altcoins, and are net positives for the Bitcoin ecosystem. Isn't that right?

It gets confusing and idiomatic (esp for non-native speakers) if we have to distinguish between the friendly positive-sum competition of btcd vs the cutthroat zero-sum competition of GavinCoin.

I'd classify other implementations like libbitcoin and bctd as complementary, not competing, in that they all share the same goal of maintaining the One True Holy Ledger.

But let's defer to the core dev, if gmax has a better suggestion for the taxonomy/nomenclature.
2538  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 25, 2016, 02:36:54 AM
fing hell, this is such hell, just when you think things might start moving again BAM peter todd block's the stream

welcome to month 11 of "lets have a consensus" #GimpedCoin

Welcome to month 11 of "Sorry Not Tonight Dear"  #BitcoinObituaries  #Hearnia  #DoItRightMeow
2539  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: ToominCoin aka "Bitcoin_Classic" #R3KT on: February 25, 2016, 02:31:57 AM
Instead of flashy rhetoric you should concentrate on the fact that competing implementations is healthy; but the ones that threaten to break protocol are dangerous. That's what sold me.

Competing implementations of Bitcoin, such as Litecoin and Primecoin, are called altcoins because they establish their own independent alternative socioeconomic consensuses/majorities.

Hostile implementations of Bitcoin, such as XT and Classic, are declarations of war because they attempt to threaten Bitcoin's existing consensus-critical distributed ledger.
2540  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero - A secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency on: February 25, 2016, 02:24:08 AM
Have you ever deleted a post?

Of course I moderate self-moderated threads I've started.  As the OP, that's kind of my job.

I'm not a mod and I've never reported a post.

I don't expect on-topic posts in non-self-moderated threads to disappear in bulk, regardless of how many DashHoles and Gavinistas report them Because Butthurt.
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