Molecular, we do seem to clash often but I respect you for reading my posts regardless, and especially for publicly praising them when appropriate.

Blazed is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.

The facts of this matter have been elucidated by two years of hideously expensive bankruptcy process, and they contradict the hivemind scam accusations popular around here.

Icedrill's earnings and payouts to investors are indelibly inscribed on the blockchain, for all to see.

It's pure laziness and hubris to refuse to read this fine thread, yet be "sure that the owners of this made out quite well."

How nice that Blazed may use the Ignore feature to mute any voices contradicting the bubble of invalid assumptions in which he dwells.   

What should we do about people who continue to parrot Scam Accusation that have had their (700+) days in court, and were found to be without basis?

Where I come from, we call such defamation slander and libel.

I'd really like to see Blazed attempt to answer just one question:

Do you really believe the Hashfast creditor committee (many of whom don't like Icedrill) could have failed to discover such malfeasance during the expensive, exhaustive two year course of the bankruptcy proceedings?

The fact his only response is "LALALA I CANT HEAR YOU" demonstrates he has zero integrity, nor cares a wit for logic, fairness, and justice.

Unless it's a blimp and/or Superbowl ad, I'm against try-hard, pushy marketing.

Let shitcoins like Dash waste their money hiring craptastic PR firms, link-farming SEO ratfucks, and forum spammers.  We will do better.

Monero style is to work smarter, not harder.

We do that in our marketing by carefully approaching as individuals thought leaders in areas tangential to our own, and then, powered by the better-mousetrap effect, letting word of mouth do its job until we find our 100th monkey.

Aminorex and Risto have spoken to investment clubs, but perhaps not recently enough to have shared the latest good news and vision of my singing paragraph.

Let's see...

James Dines is a goldbug legend who told his readers to buy Bitcoin at (IIRC) about $10, perhaps less.  He's smart enough to easily grok the ethos here.

Jacob Rees-Mogg is currently a busy MP, but through his father has deep ties to the financial sovereignty communities.

Selling these guys on Monero should be like selling water to men dying of thirst.

But tact is key, as they have robust scam detection heuristics and we don't want to create false positives for red flags.

I'd like to get Jim Willie on board, but many years ago he declined my offer of free Bitcoins to play with and might be a little bitter about that (due to Not Invented Here syndrome)!  

Which other Bitcoin-friendly goldbugs should be on our list of prospective Mustangs?  All of them!

I see the Silver Doctors cover Bitcoin events....  

Kitco has been all over Bitcoin since the big rally.  Perhaps they should have an entire crypto.kitco.com subdomain devoted to this emerging sector?

I'd be shocked if the Winkii don't know about Monero, and the fact they've yet to mention it makes me suspect they're in stealth accumulation mode.  If they start an XMR ETF, the ticker "PONY" is available (just saying).

What about the other shitcoins I post critiques of and warn people about?

By your fail-logic, I must not really think Neucoin, Paycoin, MAID, Cloak, Nautilus, Diamond, etc. are actually that bad.

But that's a stupid thing to assert.  The idea fails Occam's razor for one thing.

Why don't you stick to making wine, instead of speculating about my motivations using such flimsy attempts to attack-the-attacker?

When you get a clue, leave the Evan's Gate cult, and join us Mustangs on Monero Mountain, I expect a few bottles for fluffy's and my own discerning palettes.

And when you guys try forum sliding my comments away, I will delete and repost as it amuses me.   

I believe it is inevitable.

What Peter Todd refers to as Dash's "bad crypto" will be broken eventually.

And the law will catch up with Duffield, especially if he keeps soliciting non-accredited investors with his "8-15% return on your money in the bank" HYIP at get-rich-quick seminars.

Dash will collapse from its own internal contradictions, including the security/privacy/decentralization theater.

Monero is only going up and is unstoppable, absent some fundamental new crypto discovery-based flaw that cannot be fixed.

When the GUI + Multisig + RingCT trifecta hits, the world will never be the same.  100% fungible e-cash will usher an era of egalitarian financial sovereignty, as Monero democratizes access to goods/services/privileges previously reserved for 0.01%-er plutocrats.

There is no more "Darkcoin."   

They abandoned the brand, its supporters, and its emphasis on privacy in favor of shiny new fads like instant tx and DAO claptrap.

XMR is now ~50% of Dash's cap and the trend indicates this capital diffusion will intensify.

On the important basis of liquidity, the two coins are neck and neck as far as which one has more buy orders and overall trade volume.

How can Dash "disable" RBF if it was never implemented?

The "RBF Is Harmful" FUD is 100% pure buttcoiner trolling and -Classic propaganda.

There are several versions (first seen is the most conservative approach, full RBF is most radical), but don't let stop you from painting the entire range of functionality with your extra-broad "harmful" brush.

CLTV only works in Dash's testnet, while it's been working in Bitcoin's production network for months.

Altcoins are supposed to be Bitcoin's laboratories of experimentation and bring features to market sooner, not later, than the Mother Blockchain.  EG, VIAcoin pioneered CLTV while DashHoles where photoshopping Coke machines.

Same point goes for SEGWIT, and other upcoming features like MAST and Schnorr sigs.  It's pathetic that an altcoin with "easy hard forks" is following rather than leading.

You sound like a Buttcoiner with all the blubbering and "boo hoo BTC is dooomed Because GMAX  " whining.

If Bitcoin can't survive, shitcoins like Dash have no chance at all.

Tok deserved the spanking GMAX administered in that thread.  He says stupid shit like "there's no crypto in cryptocurrency" and "the blockchain isn't secured by math" all the time.

And you guys encourage it, rather than try to education him, while attacking GMAX for helping.  That speaks to the cult-like DashHole attitude.

Questioning LN is good, because "fight features."  Spreading FUD about Bitcoin because LN makes Dash profoundly obsolete?  Not so good.

Bitcoin is undergoing rapid evolution and Dash isn't keeping up, as it lacks nifty modern features like CLTV/CTV, RBF/CPFP, SEGWIT, etc.

Your hostility towards the profit motive (which you call "greed") indicates you are economically illiterate as well as technically inept.

Bitcoin's unparalleled long-tail distribution is the result of spending years selling for trivially low prices, when anyone could acquire a good stack for almost nothing.

Becaue of the Ponzi-like Masternodes, most Dash are still locked away by Instamine beneficiaries.

The result is Dash's decentralization theater, which is a laughingstock even among other altcoins.

Frankly sir(s), you have no factual nor rational basis for these accusations.

You are wrong, and the way you went about forming your incorrect, libelous assertions is condemnable.

Do you really believe the Hashfast creditor committee (many of whom don't like Icedrill) could have failed to discover such malfeasance during the expensive, exhaustive two year course of the bankruptcy proceedings?

DT wasn't acting as a "charity."  He was starting an ultra-risky ASIC mining company, which failed to beat the odds despite considerable efforts to the contrary.  We investors knew, or should have known, the risks going in and did our own due diligence accordingly.

You three are such asinine millennial snowflakes.  You think this universe is made by Nerf, and you aren't allowed to lose at anything unless some evil villainous conspiracy is responsible.  You expect DT and Will to have used their magical psychic powers to predict BTC prices would collapse while difficulty exploded. 

Shake off the self-pity, grow up, and learn to accept that risk, loss, and creative destruction are just as much part of capitalism as reward, gain, and success.  You don't get one without the other.  Your parents should be slapped for failing to teach you that key life lesson.

Your conflation of trust and profit is ignorance at its most obnoxious; the former is a priori but the latter is a posteriori.

Please learn the difference before you start gossiping nonsense about events and people you know nothing about, save your parroting of uncharitable previously refunted innuendo and regurgitation of the hivemind's mob mentality.

So much entitlement, so little time.  I know a risk-free existence is part of the Free Shit Army manifesto, but that's not how the real world works.   

This isn't hard.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/4atg0d/monero_rpc_no_password/d13io7e

Well maybe for you.   

It's too bad noobtrader can't read above a 2nd grade level.  "Coins were stolen" is the only phrase in Kozi's post he could parse, so he just keeps clinging to his false impression no matter how hard we try to educate him.

He's the type of person who says "ZOMG BITCOIN HAX0RD" because MtGox lost coins.   

^^^That is what happens when you don't have a clue, and thus fail.

The message:

Duffield's advertisement of "8-15% return on your money in the bank" is tacky and economically impossible.  (If it was real, capital would flood into the rare opportunity and drive rates down to market levels).


D10E should not allow the Dash Ponzi to turn their conference into a Get Rich Quick seminar.

I like the part where you take the very lowest end of the "8-15% ROI on yearly basis" Duff advertised, and make your post all about "8%."

Your factoids make my point, which is that it's irresponsible and probably illegal to lure unsophisticated investors into the Masternode endless chain scheme using market-beating figures like "15% ROI."

Residential rentals are not a passive investment, nor are they risk-free.  So there's no parallel to Masternodes.

Comparing 20 year average return of a stock index to a specific "investment" like Masternodes is every more ridiculous.


Dash:

"Want 8-15% return on your money in the bank? That just became possible."

Onecoin:

"We will show you our success formula on how to make “a lot” of money very quickly!"

Same shit, different pile.

I hope Bitcoin Uncensored is able to attend D10E, and they bust Duff's scam like they did to the OneCoin MLM scam.

One Coin Ponzi Miami Sales 'Seminar' Disrupted by Junseth and DeRose
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BeyrR2JGLUs

D10E should not allow the Dash Ponzi to turn their conference into a Get Rich Quick seminar.

This thread has been sent to the watchdog site Behind MLM.

http://behindmlm.com/contact-oz/

OMG, how did you know about our top sekrit spreadsheet singularity doctrine?!

Who told you!?   

Speaking of "interest gained", do you actually believe Dash Masternodes' promised "8-15% ROI on yearly basis" is anything HYIP snake oil?

I fully support smooth, fluffy, and all Mustangs exploiting SteemingPile's useful volatility to the fullest extent of economic law.

No new votes for a while; this is the apparent community consensus:


Any objections to lock the polls and/or thread?

The results are unlikely to change by much, because Dash hasn't (and probably will never be) fully recovered from its Civil War.

TheDashGuy humiliated the entire community, and is still making (painfully true) snarky remarks about how much better at running the youtube Mandy is than DaoOfSpamtoshi.

Shameless HYIP marketing:

"You don't need to be a sophisticated accredited investor!  Any rube can beat the market with this One Weird Trick!"

I can't believe d10e is destroying their credibility and reputation by giving such snake oil salesmanship a forum.

This is being reported to the proper State authorities.

http://statelaws.findlaw.com/california-law/california-pyramid-and-ponzi-scheme-laws.html


Only one California resident needs to "invest" and lose money in this Endless Chain Scheme to trigger an investigation.

The State AG isn't going to be amused by the ridiculous promise of "8-15% ROI" nor the obviously lottery-like aspects of Masternode rewards (especially the 1% chance for a double reward "Easter Egg").

https://oag.ca.gov/contact/consumer-complaint-against-business-or-company

Many silver/gold mining stocks (EG Hecla) have posted >100% annual gains.  Why invest in a risky scam like Dash when they can't beat a 100+ year old company's (with real assets) ROI?

TYVM for the specific insight into our present and eternally static meritocratic system of crypto-capital allocation.

Yes, this is meritocracy.  Embrace the invisible hand; eschew your false preconceptions.  Sacrifice them to the God of Empiricism.

Because of your status near the bottom of that objective meritocracy, you are not gaining $50k/week (SFYL).

Hence the uninterrupted fusillade of butthurt.

I won't presume to speak for our clever steem tycoon, but will say I'd put a non-trivial % of that $50k/week into Monero, were I to be in his shoes.

Specifically, my normal allocation for Free Cash is 1/3 Money 1.0 (gold/silver bullion/miners), 1/3 Money 2.0 (Bitcoin), and 1/3 Money 3.0 (Monero).

So I'll try to remember smooth-type Steem whales will, per capita, be putting about $17k/week into Monero, for the duration of the present Digg 2.0+blockchain fad.

You need to stop whining and give your all your remaining money to smooth.  Or use it to tip fluffy for that boss-ass pitty t-shirt he was sporting.

I don't care if you need that money to eat, because smooth will do more with his strong hands than you would ever accomplish by flailing and drowning in the altcoin continuum.