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2541  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: ToominCoin aka "Bitcoin_Classic" #R3KT on: February 25, 2016, 02:18:35 AM
iCEBREAKER, surely there is better fodder for the classic r3kt party?

When people make fun of petty crap like that it gives the impression that there is nothing substantive to say.

I think it's best the weird personal attacks to others: As the Irish proverb says, "Never wrestle with a pig. You'll both get dirty, but the pig will like it."

The classic r3kt party is winding down, so we're left scraping the bottom of the barrel for new material (ie, something else substantive to say).

The great thing about shrinknut's zinger was its context and phrasing, not the admittedly petty content.
2542  Economy / Auctions / Re: Signature space - Staff - Legendary member - 5800+ posts - around 50 posts/month on: February 25, 2016, 02:02:29 AM
I bid 0.07 BTC.
2543  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero - A secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency on: February 25, 2016, 02:00:13 AM
If you want to be a destroyer join monero. It's the perfect place for you.

I responded to this by quoting Robert Oppenheimer, but a mod (presumably mprep) deleted it. 

For some reason, many of my 100% on-topic posts are being removed.

Is mprep is taking bribes, along with his relentless sig-whoring campaign?
2544  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / f2pool not supporting roundtable was Re: 「魚池」BTC:270 Phash/s - LTC:500 Ghash/s - New Server in U.S. stratum-us.f2pool.com on: February 25, 2016, 01:12:56 AM
I for one think the posts are an example unprofessional practices on the part of F2Pool, and are of topical interest to miners considering using the pool. I hope history isn't whitewashed through their removal.

Unprofessional how?

Unprofessional because without Adam Back's HashCash, Bitcoin would not exist.

I don't give a wet fart about meeting the CEO of Blockstream anymore than the CEO of Coinbase.

OTOH it is a great honor to be in the presence of legendary cypherpunk Adam Back, no matter which hat he is or isn't wearing.

If you are too young or low-information to remember the crypto wars and PGP t-shirt, you may be forgiven for prioritizing titles over demonstrated expertise.

I think Adam's a great guy, obviously has lots of street cred. I agree that he and others in the community have earned more respect that they receive.

With that said, clearly Gavin has stewarded Bitcoin development well enough for 3-4 years after Satoshi took his hands off the wheel. How about you show some respect based on his past contributions too?

Let's not change the subject to Gavin.

You asked what was "unprofessional" about macbook's posts, and I answered you in the form of explaining how astronomically churlish it is to whine about which titles somebody like Adam Back (who needs no such honorariums) does or does not deploy in a work-in-progress draft document.

Eagerly jumping to conclusions and making public accusations of bad faith based on a giant nothingburger is unprofessional.

Thanks for asking.  I'm glad we had the opportunity to cover that point in more detail.   Smiley
2545  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin's Great Schism - A Compendium on: February 25, 2016, 01:00:48 AM
OP+

1/1/16
Time for Bitcoin Users to Reclaim Their Voice
http://hackingdistributed.com/2016/01/03/time-for-bitcoin-user-voice/

1/2/16
Bitcoin’s Elegant Upgrade Mechanism: Miner Voting
https://medium.com/@barmstrong/bitcoin-s-elegant-upgrade-mechanism-miner-voting-66faa35d27af

2/22/16
Peter Todd Disputes Claim That 75% Majority Hard Forks are Safe
http://coinjournal.net/peter-todd-disputes-claim-that-75-majority-hard-forks-are-safe/

2/22/16
Segregated Witness and Hardware Wallets
https://medium.com/@Ledger/segregated-witness-and-hardware-wallets-cc88ba532fb3

2/22/16
Lesser known reasons to keep blocks small, in the words of Bitcoin Core developers
https://medium.com/@elliotolds/lesser-known-reasons-to-keep-blocks-small-in-the-words-of-bitcoin-core-developers-44861968185e
2546  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: ToominCoin aka "Bitcoin_Classic" #R3KT on: February 25, 2016, 12:49:58 AM


Shots fired!   Cheesy
2547  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / f2pool not supporting roundtable was Re: 「魚池」BTC:270 Phash/s - LTC:500 Ghash/s - New Server in U.S. stratum-us.f2pool.com on: February 24, 2016, 11:46:12 PM
I for one think the posts are an example unprofessional practices on the part of F2Pool, and are of topical interest to miners considering using the pool. I hope history isn't whitewashed through their removal.

Unprofessional how?

Unprofessional because without Adam Back's HashCash, Bitcoin would not exist.

I don't give a wet fart about meeting the CEO of Blockstream anymore than the CEO of Coinbase.

OTOH it is a great honor to be in the presence of legendary cypherpunk Adam Back, no matter which hat he is or isn't wearing.

If you are too young or low-information to remember the crypto wars and PGP t-shirt, you may be forgiven for prioritizing titles over demonstrated expertise.
2548  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / f2pool not supporting roundtable was Re: 「魚池」BTC:270 Phash/s - LTC:500 Ghash/s - New Server in U.S. stratum-us.f2pool.com on: February 24, 2016, 11:38:07 PM
Who cares if Adam Back signed as Blockstream President or not?

That is an excellent point of inquiry upon which to expound.

Macbook is obviously reaching for any purported excuse, no matter how far-fetched, to find fault with Evil Adam Back.  This isn't a new trend; he's been at it all month.

His shitty negotiating tactic of eagerly leaping to a conclusion of bad faith, based on a Seinfeldesque misunderstanding over nothing, is merely a way to put Dr. Back on the defensive.

Most of us Bitcoiners are here for the revolutionary technology, but a few of us (mainly noobs) are more concerned with politics, status, and social grooming.

The concern troll fussiness over whether or not Dr. Back can order his Evil Blockstream subordinates to play nice with Classic hard forkers delineates the divide with a bright line.

For example:

people are catching on to Blockstream/Core's semantic trickery, and it's beginning to backfire in their faces

quod erat demonstrandum
2549  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / f2pool not supporting roundtable was Re: 「魚池」BTC:270 Phash/s - LTC:500 Ghash/s - New Server in U.S. stratum-us.f2pool.com on: February 24, 2016, 10:55:08 PM
Talk is cheap. Answering a semi-controversial 1M->2M HF with an uber-controversial SHA2->SHA3 HF in which the miners are automatically opposed to the change - near insanity. Best of luck with that one! Smiley

I think that the joker burning the money is probably about as appropriate as you get!

It's not about the money.  It's about sending a message.
2550  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / f2pool not supporting roundtable was Re: 「魚池」BTC:270 Phash/s - LTC:500 Ghash/s - New Server in U.S. stratum-us.f2pool.com on: February 24, 2016, 10:37:23 PM
While a PoW hash reset could be used in the event of a mining attack, don't kid yourself - no one is seriously pushing for a beyond-controversial PoW change at this time.

No one except Guy Corem and his co-signers at https://medium.com/@vcorem/lesson-learned-from-the-classic-coup-attempt-or-why-core-needs-to-prepare-a-gpu-only-pow-6a9afe18e4b0


Resetting to SHA3 just weakens bitcoin hashing power temporarily and then maybe permanently as miners have to discount their profits by taking into the possibility that the mining community will make their investments worth zero at any time.

2551  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / f2pool not supporting roundtable was Re: 「魚池」BTC:270 Phash/s - LTC:500 Ghash/s - New Server in U.S. stratum-us.f2pool.com on: February 24, 2016, 10:28:53 PM
People are waking up iB..

Tick tock.

I missed the part where you defend macbook's overwrought poutrage and hurt fee-fees over basically nothing.

You can do better than an appeal to popularity followed by some vague reference to a time bomb.
2552  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / f2pool not supporting roundtable was Re: 「魚池」BTC:270 Phash/s - LTC:500 Ghash/s - New Server in U.S. stratum-us.f2pool.com on: February 24, 2016, 09:21:56 PM
Announcement: We will withdraw support from February 21’s roundtable consensus, unless Adam Back gives us a reasonable explanation why he quietly changed his title from Blockstream President to Individual at the very last moment — without anybody noticed. We feel we’ve been cheated. I don’t know how we can trust Blockstream anymore in the future.

Really?  This is what we're getting all upset about today in Bitcoinland?   Roll Eyes

You owe Adam an apology for assuming he was responsible for the change in title, instead of giving him the benefit of the doubt and seeking clarification.

The whole "zomg y u cheat me" thing is such a third world negotiating tactic.  It's really tacky.

You've been looking and reaching for things to get offended about for days.  And this is the best you can do?

Really?  A discrepancy between draft revisions, one of which was released prematurely (without permission?) is no reason to get all whiny.

Why don't you just rage quit like Mike Hearn, if your feelings are so hurt and fragile trust so grievously wounded?

SHA3 is looking better everyday we have to watch the ASIC miner tail struggle to wag the Bitcoin dog.
2553  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Talk about MaidSafe coin on: February 24, 2016, 10:53:53 AM
Maidsafe gains today but its more of a hype or  speculation. More people are talking and says it will gain more on trading sites chatbox in polo but im not convinced.

Please explain to me why Maidsafe is valuable.

What do I need it for?

Why can't I just make my own Maidsafe (with blackjack and hookers)?
2554  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Talk about MaidSafe coin on: February 24, 2016, 07:59:33 AM
Im glad this thread was started.

Maidsafe doesnt have a presence much on BTT and Id like to know more.

Currently my knowledge and position is:

1. Maidsafe has been around for ages and ages (over 10 years iirc)
2. It has had many rounds of investment
3. It is not based on a blockchain and whether Maidsafe will eevn work is uncertain
4. The price is going up cause of a) the ETH effect and b) an upcoming Maidsafe beta


I think Maidsafe is a very creative and ambitious project BUT:

- I'm not confident they can pull it off
- between IPFS, Ethereum, ring sigs,  blockchain nameserver tech and the rest I dunno if Maidsafe has a place anymore - that ship might have already sailed.
-when I hear Maidsafe devs talking to Chris Ellis and other hosts things always sound fuzzy.

Q. What peer reviews, crytographical or otherwise, has Maidsafe had?

Id be curious to hear how Maidsafe supporters respond to these statements. I remain open-minded.

Thanks.

Maidsafe smells like NXT.

Yet another hype-driven platform-as-a-platform service portal.  A complex solution in search of some problem to solve.   Roll Eyes

SIA and Storj are doing the distributed cloud drive thing with blockchains, so you know it works.

ETH and Rootstock can do whatever operations you want done to those data layers.

Why do we need Maidsafe again?  Is something wrong with TOR and i2p and VPNs?

I get the pumper mindset at work here.  Buy the rumor, sell the news!   Cool

Just don't be left holding the Maidsafe bag over the next 10 years, as they prepare the shipping version.
2555  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero Speculation on: February 24, 2016, 06:58:43 AM
bitcoin.com

Stopped reading right there.  You know it's going to be misinformation from that point on.
2556  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash | First Anonymous Coin | Inventor of X11, DGW, Darksend and InstantX on: February 23, 2016, 05:54:22 AM
We say our mixing working.  ITS up to you to prove otherwise.  So...till you or any Trollero or anyone for that matter breaks it....its secure.  You and your team benefit the most from breaking our mixing.  If its as easy as you said...then do it.

Until then...its hot air and we are on the record saying its SOLID and unbroken.  End of subject...we've made it...and have staked the claim that its unbroken.

That's not how this works.  The burden of proof is on Dash to prove it's secure.

Why?  Because absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

Please note you sound exactly like the ShadowCash dudes who got pwnd when Shen #R3KT their coin's bad crypto.


Only systems that are structurally incompatible with fraud don't suffer from the overhang of potential fraud.
2557  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero Speculation on: February 23, 2016, 04:06:39 AM
Here is the big issue everyone is ignoring:  
  
If somehow mandatory ring signatures, and protocol level mixing, etc etc were all added to Bitcoin.... Then we would need a new Bitcoin.  
  
Why?  Because a public, non-fungible Blockchain enables applications and functions that can't mathematically and logically be done with a fungible and private Blockchain.  
  
So there is no point.  If you were born with a natural talent for coding or painting, don't try to be a football superstar.  Develop your natural talent - in the case of Bitcoin this is being a public and non-fungible Blockchain.  

There isn't really a thing a private, fungible Blockchain can't do which a public, non-fungible Blockchain can do.

Not true. You'd get a whole lot of things to require cooperation of the involved parties, that you at the moment get whether they like it or not. (detective work, tracing, proovable reserves...). Some others are technically not that clear, depending how private you go. The concept of colored coins is antagonist to perfect fungibility (if such thing exists) for instance.

The concept of "colored coins" makes me think of coining the term "CRYPTO RACISM"....

"Don't hate me because I'm black!"

Monero does not crypto-racially discriminate. <----- could be a slogan for Monero lol

We been troddin' through the Babylonian Empire of Banksters and Bitcoin for many long years...

Monero is the Promised Land.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBeHQhtU0VM

In Z10N, all coins are equal before The Creator.
2558  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash | First Anonymous Coin | Inventor of X11, DGW, Darksend and InstantX on: February 23, 2016, 03:33:07 AM
What stops the community members of DASH (accompanied by the DGBB) to put up a few bounties? At least there will be some incentive to deanonymize transactions then. Furthermore, if I recall correctly the DGBB has a budget of around 20-30k per month. Moreover, you could set up a bounty for the deanonymization of an 1 round transaction, which Evan Duffield said would be the default in Evolution and another bounty for an 8 round transaction.

Nothing at all actually but regardless of monetary compensation directly from Dash, the damage done should cause subsequent rises in XMR (and declines in Dash)--exactly what all the Monero holders want. It has been said over and over again, especially from the Monero camp, at how easy Dash's anonymity could be broken and how bad its crypto is--seems like an easy enough task, certainly one that a freshman in college (as icebreaker put it) should easily be able to achieve and spend little time doing.

The Dash community has had ample time to (shut up or) put up bounties for bugs.  And yet, they have not.   Huh

Honorable efforts to that end have been made by Big Rich, but his commendable pleas fell on deaf ears.   Undecided

We must therefore conclude Dash's socioeconomic majority would Rather Not have Shen's "Crypto For Poets" freshmen seminar participants (et alia) unleashed on their "bad crypto" (aka obfuscation via mixing).   Sad

Say what you will about the ShadowCash community, but at least some of them understand Shen did them a favor and may have kept a few of their number out of jail.

OTOH, the Dash community demonstrates little aptitude for such critical self-evaluation.  And that's what makes them a Kool-Aid swilling cargo cult.
2559  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash | First Anonymous Coin | Inventor of X11, DGW, Darksend and InstantX on: February 23, 2016, 03:14:14 AM
14 owner  control about 1868 masternodes.
more than 50%   : current masternode 3550.
regard  address with about 1000 coins as a masternode

if you check masternode address transaction to make 1000 value, you can easily make masternode owner tree of 3550



see DASH is already centralized..DASH ASIC centralization is a non-issue  Wink

We should expect Pareto distribution of Dash, albeit compounded and exaggerated by the insta-mine.

<< 20% of Dash bagholders probably control >> 80% of the Masternodes.

The 'democracy-by-blockchain' idea is a farce, wrapped in propaganda, and drizzled with marketing happy talk.
2560  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: ToominCoin aka "Bitcoin_Classic" #R3KT on: February 23, 2016, 01:58:26 AM
I don't know when exactly we all turned into a bunch of paranoid loons. But it isn't helping.
That's one of the tactics used by whoever is doing this. I've made a thread about a good article.

I read the article and it seemed to prove my point. Now everybody thinks everybody else is a sock pushing an agenda.

Let's stay on topic.

Here, I'll help:



https://twitter.com/olivierjanss/status/701840455873519617

Olivier Janssens is such an asshat.

Not only does he put up an opt-out list of fake Classic support, his bigotry feeds the asinine Marxist SJW "LibertAryans" meme.
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