lol
yeah, but what do you know about PICISI?

You keep claiming nonsense about a chartity, I keep insisting that PICISI is not designed to be a charity, nor will it be a charity. 
You keep talking about generic coins, what specific coins are you talking about, who owns the coins that you are talking about where are the coins you are talking about.


Vod has gone all over the place making these false claims for no good reason, it is irresponsible behavior.

I asked him if he was willing to resign from Bitcointalk.com (remove Vod from membership) if I prove him wrong in his clams about PICISI, he has dodged the question over and over again.  

He knows his accusations are false however for whatever reason he feels obligated to continue in this way.  

The part in red initially sounds like it would be attractive, however if you are simply expecting to 'drop off and pick up' that 10% doesn't sound too appetizing after all.

Are you looking for for the site to be responsible for handling perks, doing accounting, customer service, and updates?


I think anyone that does a 10% deal is going to be looking for minimal responsibility.


What is that part you are referring to : "Could picisi work with the #420jf crowd funding as well as STV?"

Wow, you were the only one that got the reference.


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He used to have grand ideas (earlier today that is lol) to hold onto all kinds of coin in his anonymous account.

Seems that has changed now that he has been exposed.  Now he posts he won't have access to any coins.    Wink

"No man has a good enough memory to be a successful liar."   - Abraham Lincoln

I'm forced to lock the thread since he keeps spamming his PR material everywhere - totally unnecessary as we already understand he is pulling a long con.[/quote/



Charities can raise funds at PICISI, however PICISI will not be a charity.  PICISI is the platform for those who want to engagement in the business of crowd funding.










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As was mentioned in passing, and in response to a couple PMs yes, I'm looking for Admins to help me manage PICISI, and yes you must be thoroughly familiar with what PICISI is and how e intend to operate.  Yes if you read all of the published articles you will have a good understanding of what is expected.   However, I would certainly expect for you to have many questions for me.


Here is the relevant article on that:

As you know from “What is PICISI?”, PICISI (Philanthropic Investment and Charity for Inventions, Startups, and Ideas) is an crowdfunding startup that will accept all significant currency types (fiat and crypto) for campaigns conducted at the site. PICISI is expected to launch in a month.

PICISI is designed to have an 8 person management team: Executive Director, Deputy Director, Assistant Director, Content Director, Promotion Director, Communications Director, Finance Director, and Compliance Director. At present only 2 positions are filled (Executive Director and Assistant Director). Let’s take a brief look at each position and how they relate to the organization.

The Executive Director is the chief executive who is finally responsible to all PICISI stakeholders. His vision for PICISI can be summed up in three words: Promotion, Promotion, Promotion! Promotion is how the PICISI brand will be established, how each sponsor’s message is conveyed, and how each campaign will realize its potential.

The Deputy Director is in charge when the Executive Director is unavailable or when so directed by the Executive Director. Ideally this person would be a great compliment to the Executive Director, he would provide a healthy contrast on issues and opinions. Perhaps more focused on day-to-day micro issues as the Exec Dir focuses on day-to-day macro issues. Someone with a healthy understanding of all of the following: crowdfunding, cryptoccurrency, charity, social networking, and business law may be an ideal fit.

This position is available.

The Assistant Director is responsible for assisting the Executive Director and the Deputy Director, however at times he may also serve other directors as the need arises. Much of his day is filled with social networking assignments.

The Finance Director/ Auditor is responsible for all financial record keeping, filings, reportings, taxes, and licenses; also responsible for site security, internal audits, and member services. It is expected to cost in excess of $1M to secure all of the necessary licenses to operate at targeted locations around the world, He must map and implement a strategic plan to secure the licenses with minimal financial disruption of operations. Will do periodic site security audits to test strengths and uncover weakness. In consultation with the Compliance Director the Finance Director will handle all Customer Service issues to the reasonable satisfaction of all concerned.

This position will become available after the site has launched.

The Content Director is responsible for everything visible on the site, the primary focus is campaigns, campaigns are the heart of the site his job is to produce large volumes of high quality campaigns. The secondary focus is securing sponsorships. The following categories are of high interest to us for various reasons:

Technology – technology is the triple crown of crowdfunding, it looks good, solves a problem, and often exceeds goal expectations.
Science Research – direct category affiliation with specific purpose coins, eg: EMC2, GRC, and FLDC.
Gaming and Game Development – direct category affiliation with specific purpose coins, eg: HYPER and GMC coin
Politics – direct category affiliation with specific purpose coins, eg: RPC. More importantly in the USA we are gearing up for our next presidential election (2016) so many election campaigns have already started fundraising.
Education – direct category affiliation with specific purpose coins, eg: EDU coin
Music – direct category affiliation with a specific purpose coin, eg: Metal coin.
Renewable Energy Projects – direct category affiliation with specific purpose coins, eg:SLR, GRE, and ENRG.
Purpose driven cryptocurrencies such as those presented above should become PICISI sponsors — it just makes sense.

This position is available, three people have expressed interest however no determination has been made as of yet.

The Promotion Director is responsible for promoting the site to sponsors, organizers, members, donors, and media to generate business. Responsible for instructing and monitoring the Promotion Contractors and Campaign Contractors. This person is an trainer as well as a hard-sales guy, he is expected to received unassigned sales traffic and have a high close rate. This person must be knowledgeable, personable,and patient, yet know when and how to close a deal.

This position is available.

The Communications Director is responsible for the PICISI message, he is the face and voice of PICISI, his top priority is having our site make news all day, everyday somewhere around the world: via press release, article, and/or interview.

This position is available.

The Compliance Director is responsible for enforcement of site policies and procedures, and all things judicial in nature eg: ranking, feedback, and reviews. More importantly he is responsible for work certification — he determines if an assignment was completed satisfactorily. This person must be knowledgeable, reasonable, and resolute.
This position is not available, it will become available after the site has launched.

In the beginning all admins are expected to pitch-in where needed, as the site matures the role of each director will become more defined.

Of the 8 administrators the following 6 are considered critical for launch: Executive Director, Deputy Director, Assistant Director, Content Director, Promotion Director, and Communications Director; currently we have two (Executive Director and Assistant Director), so if you or someone you know, is interested in being part of PICISI’s management team please contact us.

My vision for each CC sponsor at PICISI  is to have them get the type of exposure that is necessary to appreciate the coin on multiple levels.  As a general sponsor (where you are now) you simple indicate support for PICISI as we express support for you.   

Those who chose to be a host CC sponsor will be the currency that all other donated CC would be converted to for that campaign. This puts the CC squarely in front of the organizer, in order to get that prized position you would likely have to be the first CC to offer the campaign $1 or out bid all of the other bidders .  I have not determined which  rule we will go with yet.    In addition to that sponsorship opportunity is the video sponsorship, with that the sponsor creates a 5 second video that basically says: "this video was sponsored by GSM Coin [with your motto here]and show logo"  that would be the opening for that campaign video everytime it is shown.  The video sponsorship is by bidding.  There there are other sponsorship avenues:

This article should explain much. http://www.crowdfundingpr.org/picisi-crowdfunding-sponsors/

The point of sponsorship is to get coin visibility, to get it in the hands of people  and to get people to use it.  The more that happens the more meaningful your coin becomes, if the coin has more purpose it should also have more value.

Earlier today someone started a smear campaign against PICISI so I had to allot lots of resources to defending PICISI.  I was amazed at just how much some people will go though to prevent someone else from being successful.   I have many things that must get done and only one other administrator to help me at this time, so I must cut this short but you are welcome to ask specific question so that I could address them directly.

enjoy

The PICISI mantra is “Promotion, Promotion, Promotion”, even in our pre-launch state, we are aggressively promoting PICISI and our sponsors. It is by design that PICISI is in a perpetual state of promotion. This article will feature reasons why cryptocurrency (CC) communities should sponsor crowdfunding campaigns at PICISI.

Promotion is a major part of what we do at PICISI, it starts with our unconventional hiring plan. It is our intent to hire self-employed contractors all over the world to do various assignments (video production, article writing, social networking, etc …) to promote our message, the message of our sponsors, as well as the individual message of our campaign organizers. We want our combined voices heard everywhere, all day, every day.

The very best place to market a CC will be at PICISI, that is where a CC sponsor will be able to introduce a CC in many different ways — we have 10 sponsorship opportunities The primary ways to get your message conveyed is as: host CC sponsor, campaign sponsor, donor perk sponsor, advertising perk sponsor, and campaign video sponsor; and secondarily as: home / category page sponsor, donation list sponsor, article sponsor, youtube channel sponsor, and PICISI merchandising sponsor. Let’s take a closer look at the primary sponsorship opportunities:

Host CC Sponsor – once an organizer has elected to have a ‘sponsor currency’ all CC sponsors are given the opportunity win the honor, once the connection is made all CCs donated to that campaign will be converted to the host CC.

Every visitor to the campaign will see the host CC in action, not simply as an ad. Additionally organizers are able to use the funds with any of the campaign contractors to create, develop, or promote their campaign. This type of practical and positive interaction with CCs will improve how the general public views the cryptocurrency industry.

Campaign Sponsor – this is the most common type of sponsorship seen in crowdfunding campaigns. The sponsor’s logo is placed within an area of the body of the campaign text. The higher your donation the higher your logo will appear in the sponsorship logo area.

Donor Perk Sponsor – a sponsor provided perk is escrowed by PICISI on behalf of a specific campaign where it will be used. If the perk is not requested by any qualified donor it is converted to host CC and donated to the campaign.

Advertising Perk Sponsor – a sponsor provided perk escrowed by PICISI on behalf of a specific campaign to be used as a perk. If the perk is not requested by any qualified campaign donor the perk is sent back to the sponsor — the perk is NOT donated to the campaign and

Campaign Video Sponsor – the first 5 second of the campaign organizer’s video is allocated for the Campaign Video Sponsor, this is where the sponsor will indicate: “This video is brought to you by … [say sponsor’s name, show sponsor’s logo, and say sponsor’s catchphrase]”

‘Purpose CCs’ are CCs that were created with a specific niche in mind eg: EMC2, Metal, HYPER, RPC, Gridcoin, EDU, etc … these types of CCs will find it easier to target their message in specific PICISI categories eg: the Science Research category for the CCs EMC2, and Gridcoin; likewise for Gaming / Game Development category for HYPER and GMC; the Music category for Metal coin; the Politics category for RPC, the Education category for EDU; and the Renewable Energy category for ENRG.

One of our launch prerequisites is to secure a minimum of 20 sponsors, currently we have 14: Crypto Database, www.ArmisGame.com, The Einsteinium News, Crypto Cloud Hosting, Bitcoin PR Buzz, Einsteinium (EMC2), Metal Coin (METAL), HYPER (HYPER), Hobonickels (HBN), Energy Coin (ENRG), Artsry Coin, GSM Coin (GSM), Stiviacoin (STV), and Magi coin (XMG). If you like the direction PICISI is traveling I invite you to support us with sponsorship and to share our message with your constituents.

The PICISI mantra is “Promotion, Promotion, Promotion”, even in our pre-launch state, we are aggressively promoting PICISI and our sponsors. It is by design that PICISI is in a perpetual state of promotion. This article will feature reasons why cryptocurrency (CC) communities should sponsor crowdfunding campaigns at PICISI.

Promotion is a major part of what we do at PICISI, it starts with our unconventional hiring plan. It is our intent to hire self-employed contractors all over the world to do various assignments (video production, article writing, social networking, etc …) to promote our message, the message of our sponsors, as well as the individual message of our campaign organizers. We want our combined voices heard everywhere, all day, every day.

The very best place to market a CC will be at PICISI, that is where a CC sponsor will be able to introduce a CC in many different ways — we have 10 sponsorship opportunities The primary ways to get your message conveyed is as: host CC sponsor, campaign sponsor, donor perk sponsor, advertising perk sponsor, and campaign video sponsor; and secondarily as: home / category page sponsor, donation list sponsor, article sponsor, youtube channel sponsor, and PICISI merchandising sponsor. Let’s take a closer look at the primary sponsorship opportunities:

Host CC Sponsor – once an organizer has elected to have a ‘sponsor currency’ all CC sponsors are given the opportunity win the honor, once the connection is made all CCs donated to that campaign will be converted to the host CC.

Every visitor to the campaign will see the host CC in action, not simply as an ad. Additionally organizers are able to use the funds with any of the campaign contractors to create, develop, or promote their campaign. This type of practical and positive interaction with CCs will improve how the general public views the cryptocurrency industry.

Campaign Sponsor – this is the most common type of sponsorship seen in crowdfunding campaigns. The sponsor’s logo is placed within an area of the body of the campaign text. The higher your donation the higher your logo will appear in the sponsorship logo area.

Donor Perk Sponsor – a sponsor provided perk is escrowed by PICISI on behalf of a specific campaign where it will be used. If the perk is not requested by any qualified donor it is converted to host CC and donated to the campaign.

Advertising Perk Sponsor – a sponsor provided perk escrowed by PICISI on behalf of a specific campaign to be used as a perk. If the perk is not requested by any qualified campaign donor the perk is sent back to the sponsor — the perk is NOT donated to the campaign and

Campaign Video Sponsor – the first 5 second of the campaign organizer’s video is allocated for the Campaign Video Sponsor, this is where the sponsor will indicate: “This video is brought to you by … [say sponsor’s name, show sponsor’s logo, and say sponsor’s catchphrase]”

‘Purpose CCs’ are CCs that were created with a specific niche in mind eg: EMC2, Metal, HYPER, RPC, Gridcoin, EDU, etc … these types of CCs will find it easier to target their message in specific PICISI categories eg: the Science Research category for the CCs EMC2, and Gridcoin; likewise for Gaming / Game Development category for HYPER and GMC; the Music category for Metal coin; the Politics category for RPC, the Education category for EDU; and the Renewable Energy category for ENRG.

One of our launch prerequisites is to secure a minimum of 20 sponsors, currently we have 14: Crypto Database, www.ArmisGame.com, The Einsteinium News, Crypto Cloud Hosting, Bitcoin PR Buzz, Einsteinium (EMC2), Metal Coin (METAL), HYPER (HYPER), Hobonickels (HBN), Energy Coin (ENRG), Artsry Coin, GSM Coin (GSM), Stiviacoin (STV), and Magi coin (XMG). If you like the direction PICISI is traveling I invite you to support us with sponsorship and to share our message with your constituents.

Vod has gone all over the place making these false claims for no good reason, it is irresponsible behavior.

I asked him if he was willing to resign from Bitcointalk.com (remove Vod from membership) if I prove him wrong, he has dodged the question over and over again.  

He knows his accusations are false however for whatever reason he feels obligated to continue in this way.  

Vod, are you willing to promise to resign form Bitcointalk once I prove that your claims are wrong?

If you think what you are saying is true stand behind it because I know the truth, and you could know the truth to if you read it, or listen to someone who knows the truth.

That's a good question, however premature.

As a crowd funding site, there are a number of fees for services.  Specific values have not been determined for most of them, however there are some guidelines.  For example the fee we will charge a campaign organizer to raise fiat on our site will be less than the cost to raise fiat on Indiegogo or Kickstarter.   The fee to raise CC is not yet determined.  The fee to the organizer for receiving sponsors donation is likely to be about 15% (host CC is free),  and if someone brings their own sponsor to support their campaign the fee will be higher than use of our sponsors.  

Campaign Donation
1) fiat      --- will be lower then Indie and Kick
2) cryptocurrency  --- Not Yet Determined NYD

Sponsorships
3) host CC Sponsorship (profile sponsor) - no fee
4) sponsor donor perk contract  - NYD                
5) sponsor advertising perk contract - NYD
6) video sponsorship contract - NYD
7) organizer generated sponsorship - NYD

8) Contractor Contract (fee paid at closing) - NYD




Now let's say you are a sponsor and want to sponsor a campaign, you would likely have multiple choices, however all are subject to the will of the organizer to have a sponsor and to have any particular sponsor.  In other words they could say no.  But for this example let's say of the three choices they have a) sponsor CC, b)select own CC,  or c) Pi, the likelihood is great that they will select a) sponsor because that is the only one paying the organizer to make that selection.  

After they make that selection and the campaign app is complete it will be shopped to the sponsors, it has not been determined yet if the host CC selection will be first to $1 (CC equal) or highest bid.  But for this example let's make it first to $1 gets tthe deal if the organizer accepts.   The organizer gets all of those funds (no fee).  the video sponsorship will be up for bid with the host CC having right of first refusal, and the other sponsorships Perks and campaign are open to multiple sponsors with the organizer's ok.

So campaign that are very attractive will likely have lots of sponsors, certainly many sponsor offers.


Now let's say that during the campaign the organizer wants to promote his campaign, he may request a campaign contractors to do an article or some other service.  PICISI will be the middleman for the deal and escrow the funds.  once it is done to the satisfaction of the organizer (client) the contractor is paid and feedback is left by the escrow agent and the other parties are expected to leave feedback too.


Many times PICISI will see a campaign that we want to help promote too, that is what our Promotion Contractors are for, they do PICISI assignments and we pay them with Pi.

That is what I was saying that you were lead by the OP.

When OP wrote: "Would a reasonable person look at this title and assume it was a charitable organization?"   

the word "charitable" was the lead.  Had he put "Investment" or "Philanthropic" or "Invention" or any other derivation of any one of the words in the name it would have been a lead in that direction.  Had he simply asked the generic question of: "What type of business do you think they are in?"  you would have a more pure (less skewed) result.

You know the name of the company isn't 6 words long, that would be unreasonable.   The company name is PICISI and that is why people rarely see all of the other words and why they are always in parenthesis when properly presented.  Again by leaving out the parenthesis he lead you to wrongfully believe that it was the name of the company.

The name of the company is one word "PICISI" pronounced (pick-easy)   

Now, when you look at this "Philanthropic Investment and Charity for Inventions, Startups, and Ideas" how many comas do you see and where are they?  Clearly the collection of words are designed to be said as a phrase and to have meaning.   The meaning is: 'a place where industrious (inventors, entrepreneurs, creators) could go to get funding'.

When the OP saw it it was in context it said a 'crowdfunding site (under construction)' but of course he quotes it out of context.

So given the multiple leads and omissions why would anyone reasonably expect a more fair outcome?

That's a good question, however premature.

As a crowd funding site, there are a number of fees for services.  Specific values have not been determined for most of them, however there are some guidelines.  For example the fee we will charge a campaign organizer to raise fiat on our site will be less than the cost to raise fiat on Indiegogo or Kickstarter.   The fee to raise CC is not yet determined.  The fee to the organizer for receiving sponsors donation is likely to be about 15% (host CC is free),  and if someone brings their own sponsor to support their campaign the fee will be higher than use of our sponsors.  

Campaign Donation
1) fiat      --- will be lower then Indie and Kick
2) cryptocurrency  --- Not Yet Determined NYD

Sponsorships
3) host CC Sponsorship (profile sponsor) - no fee
4) sponsor donor perk contract  - NYD               
5) sponsor advertising perk contract - NYD
6) video sponsorship contract - NYD
7) organizer generated sponsorship - NYD

8) Contractor Contract (fee paid at closing) - NYD




Now let's say you are a sponsor and want to sponsor a campaign, you would likely have multiple choices, however all are subject to the will of the organizer to have a sponsor and to have any particular sponsor.  In other words they could say no.  But for this example let's say of the three choices they have a) sponsor CC, b)select own CC,  or c) Pi, the likelihood is great that they will select a) sponsor because that is the only one paying the organizer to make that selection.  

After they make that selection and the campaign app is complete it will be shopped to the sponsors, it has not been determined yet if the host CC selection will be first to $1 (CC equal) or highest bid.  But for this example let's make it first to $1 gets tthe deal if the organizer accepts.   The organizer gets all of those funds (no fee).  the video sponsorship will be up for bid with the host CC having right of first refusal, and the other sponsorships Perks and campaign are open to multiple sponsors with the organizer's ok.

So campaign that are very attractive will likely have lots of sponsors, certainly many sponsor offers.


Now let's say that during the campaign the organizer wants to promote his campaign, he may request a campaign contractors to do an article or some other service.  PICISI will be the middleman for the deal and escrow the funds.  once it is done to the satisfaction of the organizer (client) the contractor is paid and feedback is left by the escrow agent and the other parties are expected to leave feedback too.


Many times PICISI will see a campaign that we want to help promote too, that is what our Promotion Contractors are for, they do PICISI assignments and we pay them with Pi.

Vod, you are making false claims, it's unreasonable to expect me to simply ignore it.

Your take about  "running with hundreds/thousands of coins" then when I press you on how you suppose that would happen you ignore it.

All of the wrongful deeds you devise I ask you to follow it out in practical terms so that you could see that you are how misguided you are.
But you instead issue more misplaced uncertainty. 


What coins are you talking about, how did the coins get into who's hands?  What is the process Vod?

You would know if you read the material, read the material Vod, read before you make irresponsible accusations, read before you defame someone's character needlessly.

Tell me Vod how does anyone get Pi? When will it occur?  If you don't know it's because you didn't read the information that was provided at all of the threads you responded negatively to because you made a irresponsible snap decision that was based on your own preconceived notions. 

the OP lead you in that direction by making the suggestion in the question.  so its reasonable to make that selection.

had you looked up PICISI you likely would not have made that selection because you would have known what it was.

I may have confused acronym vs initialization. 

PICISI is the acronym, and P.I.C.I.S.I  is the initialization, the first is said as a word and the second is said as letters.   The one said as letters pertains to what each letter stands for.   So NFL looks like an acronym however it's actually an initialization because we say the letters individually not as a single word.


As for being a 'bother'  I don't consider it a bother when the intent is trying to understand about PICISI.   If someone thinks something is wrong I want to address it quickly and responsibly.  PICISI is complex and not easy to quickly understand, but it is easy to misunderstand especially when people come with preconceived notions.

I know this site is full with FUD, I also realize that FUD is part of the culture, because of the abundant misbehavior, but its shameful when a good guy wrongly attacks another good guy with FUD especially when the attacker refuses to accept truth.


enjoy

There you go suggesting in order to lead.  Like I said numerous times, you are assuming bad things where they don't exist. 

Your actions are not authorized in any way by me.  I told you that your actions in this regard are shameful, reckless, and irresponsible but you are clear hell bend to being destructive. . 





 

I understand that trust is not moderated, and I also understand that misunderstanding should be handles is a better way, however I believe you know Vod and how he rather go overboard some times.   So this is a matter of the trust system, character, and responsibility.

thanks
 

Vod, if that is your intent and I'm confident that you are in for a very big surprise.  Remember, I'll be surprised if ANY believe what you believe with about that charity nonsense. 

And I'll be additionally surprised if any of them will feel the need to have a refund.  What I won't be surprised at is if they have doubts because you sown needless fear. 


The fact of the matter is FUD is part of the process, Tecshare was the very first person to respond to a PICISI thread of course he unload a wad of bitterness, I was advised to simply create a new thread and to make it self-mod.  I didn't like the tone of that so I passed, it has remain ever since.   

The truth is what will be known if you want to know it. 

Thanks for your question, the company name is PICISI that is a 1-word name, it is not an acronym eg: P.I.C.I.S.I.   and certainly not Philanthropic Investment and Charity for Inventions, Startups, and Ideas.  I gave the name meaning and depth by finding appropriate words to phrase what the entity is in business to do.

The entity will be a crowdfunding business we will bring donors and campaign organizers together. 

Yes, the word "charity" is in the acronym, so too are the words 'Philanthropic' and 'Investment'; we are not a philanthropic company, and not an investment company either.  PICISI will be a place where all of the interests that make up the letters of our name can be served: where Charities can find donors for their charitable campaigns; where Philanthropic orgs or individuals could make donations, or purchases; where Investors could find ways to invest in people, and products; where Inventors could find people willing to buy into their idea, plan, or prototype; where Start-ups could find individual or orgs willing to invest in them, and were good Ideas are constantly rewarded.

Here's what the phrase: "Philanthropic Investment and Charity for Inventions, Startups, an Ideas" simply means, 'people with money giving to people who want or need money particularly for inventions, startup, and ideas'.   The "charity" is in the benevolent giving from the donors to the campaigns.  The phrase was created to fit the word.  The word
properly represents much of what the biz will.