They'd be able to charge much more. Both bitfury and KNC are future preorders with no proof. He is saying they'd be in stock like erupter blades when sold, if sold, if made, if created.
You are an experienced user +800 post. You know what is the difficulty, ROI etc. .. Today is a price, tomorrow less and so on. The market price in August-September will be much worse. That if there are always fools who let rip. See Asic 10ghs/50btc Blades. But every day there are fewer Awkward.... I think dogie actually sells the ASICMiner blades. (or was it the USB versions?) In either case, it is no longer profitable [for the miner] to sell Avalon Batch 4 at 75BTC @ 70 Gh/s. If Batch 4 is not significantly higher clocked it would be a waste of time (or just unprofitable) to buy it for that many BTC. The price likely has to come down to anywhere from 25BTC to 35BTC. Current resold (Gen 1) Avalons are coming down in price at the BitCoinTalk Marketplace. People have been trying to sell them at 250 BTC and have largely failed. They are now barely drawing any interest at 90 BTC. (except yantis who is crazily buying them up at insanely bloated prices....so sell yours to him if you are willing to make a buck off him) |
|
|
|
nutrubbing on you because you would lose the bet, jackass. Put up or shut up.
You sound very intelligent. Why the fascination with rubbing your testicles on people? You know what. I don't care. You're wasting my time. IGNORED. Rubbing nuts on peoples faces. Totally the way to get credibility to handle thousands of dollars worth of other peoples money... |
|
|
|
You forgot to read the rest of my post  The part where you had the minirig in your possession for a while? What about it? Can you afford the miners now?   |
|
|
|
If you only plug in one of the power supplies, does the device still function but only running up half the boards at 250GH/s?
Just thinking about if a breaker trips.
Since this rig is running with a USB hub inside, yes, that is exactly what will happen. When they start using xlink, it will depend on if the master board is taken out or not so if one PSU goes down, you could lose the whole rig. I thought they had already been told about this problem at one of the trade shows? Why have they not fixed this to date? If you connect each of the 8 separately, then they each can fail separately. If you join them all via x-link, then the x-link chain is indeed a chain where everything below the failed point in the chain will stop working ... as is quite obviously expected.If the next step was to create some board to handle the partial x-link failure by not having a 'chain' then if the board fails, you lose everything. The person who brought it up came out with different suggestions at the time. I don't recall who it was anymore. But you summarized at least a part of the problem. A 480Gh/s unit that has a failure can quickly turn into a 50Gh/s unit for several days if the issue isn't addressed using the x-link chained connection. I suppose if all the units are uniformly the same you might be able to extract the bad board (somehow?) and put the entire chain together again minus the bad board. Though I have no clue of what the x-link topology is like or if there is something special in relation to the last board. Edit: though I'd also add - since you aren't ever going to get one - why do you care? At a 20k price point? No, I don't think so. At 10k? Yeah that sounds good. I care about mining because in the next month you should have 400+ GH/s for the kind of profitability I am looking for. I stopped looking for options in the sub 100Gh/s category. By the end of the year, you will need [possibly] double or triple even that much hashing power. Also, you talk too much smack, you had to be given free units to quiet you down a bit with all your excess complaining and begging for boards to be sent to you. BFL offered you a plane ride (for free) and gave you free hardware. It wasn't until fairly recently that you couldn't even afford one, remember? Since then you have been pretty weak at the knees [cow towing] whenever someone mentions BFL. |
|
|
|
If you only plug in one of the power supplies, does the device still function but only running up half the boards at 250GH/s?
Just thinking about if a breaker trips.
Since this rig is running with a USB hub inside, yes, that is exactly what will happen. When they start using xlink, it will depend on if the master board is taken out or not so if one PSU goes down, you could lose the whole rig. I thought they had already been told about this problem at one of the trade shows? Why have they not fixed this to date? I'm pretty sure everyone considers it more important to get it delivered and mining... Apparently not... Hello fellow bitcoiners,
It has come to my attention that there are multiple BFL customers with early orders who would like to part with some of their 500Gh/s units. The reasons are numerus, from not having enough power to run the units to some wanting to not have to deal with mining.
I would like to get a feeling from the community if any of you are interested in purchasing these units.
My roll in this is strictly as a broker / escrow / single point of contact for handling all queries and sales.
The 500Gh/s units are offered at $150k each with payment in BTC preferred.
If you have any questions, you can ask them by PM or in this thread.
Best,
James
He's apparently already trying to sell orders (as a broker or not) for more than it is worth. What does that tell you? |
|
|
|
|
Indeed. I recall he said he didn't have any capacity left for 4 more avalons....now it would be 5?
I bet he is selling it on Ebay.
|
|
|
|
|
May I ask what the direct USB feature is?
|
|
|
|
Hello,
Just used BitInstant for the first time. Everything worked out nice and quickly. Unfortunately, in the half hour it took me to run to the store for the money gram, the price of BTC went up a bit. When all was said and done, I ended up with ~0.978 instead of 1.0 BTC. I guess there is no way to make up that difference? I'd hate to do another full order + fees + trip to the store just for that tiny amount.
Thanks.
Your price is not locked in when you create a quote. Regardless, if you think you have an issue that needs correction then it should go to support.bitinstant.com What do you mean it's not locked? Do you mean if we created a quote when 5 BTC equaled 500 USD...if it took 1 day for you to process and the price per BTC drops to 75...then we will get 375USD (before fees)? Our system has a hard deadline of 24 hours, past which customers are entitled to fee refunds and compensation for price changes. The soft deadline (which is what we aim to deliver the majority of orders in) is 1 hour, and between those 2 timeframes we don't make a formal commitment to prices other than market rate as determined by our partners at coinapult. You do realize that this is not directly implied on your website? That is one hell of a bombshell to drop on people. So basically, we don't actually know what rate we are getting until after we get it....? Everything about the BitInstant website leads a person to believe they are going to get a fixed transaction (1 BTC for a certain amount of USD) as soon as finalized or as soon as it is paid in full. You'd better make it more obvious that prices are honored when executed rather than when paid. (huge variance right there) Anyway: Order: df07ed15-e31f-48be-9d0f-da85a3a59c58 There was some hickups with my order getting processed. Apparently customer service alerted me that the blockchain took its sweet time to confirm my payment. Even though I made the payment a few seconds after receiving the BitInstant address several days ago. You can check the timestamp to confirm when the transfer was made. My order is still in limbo and I am definitely invoking the 24 hours clause. (fee free) This is all covered in our terms of service. Sorry for the delay on your order. We are working on a solution. Thanks. Any updates to my order? Order: df07ed15-e31f-48be-9d0f-da85a3a59c58 Please issue an immediate refund for my order. I lost count of how many days I have been waiting. It is probably my seventh day (7th). My issue wasn't even related to zipzap or coinapult or whoever. Been ignored by BitInstant support for the last 2 days. So just send the exact BTC (including BTC fees) back into my account. I have already found a reliable partner who can do this for me with almost no delay. (And no, they are not automated!) I can try to add additional instructions to your order that indicate a refund but that will likely add additional waiting time to your issue. Your call. Resolve it in any way you choose. Whatever is shorter. Just make sure whatever the resolution it is, it ends with 500USD at a Paypal account (without fees as it is past 24 hours) or a refund of 4.56xxxx BTC. Whatever is shorter. Time is money as your website header says. You lateness to deliver on the transaction has already cost me 35 dollars so far. Make sure to tell me what you chose and what you were capable of as a company. (P.S. I don't hold it against you URSAY, I simply hold it against BitInstant.) Captains Log, Day 8, We are still having trouble with the BitInstant transactions log showing a perpetual "pending". We believe there may have been a minor explosion on or under the surface of the webserver on Planet BitInstant. We believe the crater from the recognisance drone is accurate and not doctored. Sensors indicate there is still movement and life on the surface but we cannot find any evidence of technical support. We believe they are ignoring our repeated hails. (  ) We are considering dispatching an engineering crew to the surface to investigate the crater remains. It has been three days since the last transmission from the BitInstant-onians. I fear for the livelihood of our friend Gareth on the surface. |
|
|
|
If you only plug in one of the power supplies, does the device still function but only running up half the boards at 250GH/s?
Just thinking about if a breaker trips.
Since this rig is running with a USB hub inside, yes, that is exactly what will happen. When they start using xlink, it will depend on if the master board is taken out or not so if one PSU goes down, you could lose the whole rig. I thought they had already been told about this problem at one of the trade shows? Why have they not fixed this to date? |
|
|
|
POWER RESULTSOk. We plugged the minirig into a 20 amp 120v circuit that is rated for 100% utilization. The results were that the minirig was using no less than 17 amps and would use up to 20 amps. The breaker does not trip but I am sure we are getting close to the edge. If you take the high side of these results, aka, all boards pulling full wattage at the same time, the result is that you should plan for 2,400 watts for each 500Gh/s unit. This works out to 4.5 watts per Gh/s plus overhead for all fans. Please remember that this is being pulled from 2 PSUs so you could plug a minirig in at home on two seperate 15 amp 120v circuits. You would just need to figure out how to deal with 2,400 watts of heat. Can the 12 ton HVAC handle two more 500Gh/s units? |
|
|
|
no delay.
No batch 4 ? Because dude, I would love to throw some money at you.
IF we do make/sell batch #4, we will get it ready to ship before taking orders, as said at the conference. Whats your output currently looking like? Can you also tell us how high Mhz cap is set to in future Avalon Chips? You mentioned it previously but have not said anything as of late. Also, do you plan to compete with Avalon Clones? What are your thoughts on the remaining future profitability for the Avalon mining hardware? |
|
|
|
|
Recent offers for Avalon hardware have been dropping as people figure out that the hardware is way overpriced due to what is left for the devices to earn in the next year.
Recent seller offers in other threads have been in a sharp/steady decline:
250BTC
210BTC
150BTC
now 95BTC
Expected returns on a 71GH/s Avalon is only 100 or so BTC.
So there will soon be an equilibrium with what an Avalon will actually produce.
|
|
|
|
The order was a Jalapeno initially. I paid to upgrade it to a 60gh/s SC Single, and BFL confirmed that I would not lose my place in line.
The bit-pay guys know the number BFL's database started at, and it was with my order. I placed it within ten seconds of BFL opening the forms, and nobody on the forums claimed a previous preorder until BFL started lying about it. I'm not going to be easily convinced that over 50 people placed orders via paypal exclusively in those ten seconds.
BFL: What's your excuse for this one?
Calm the fck down, The reason why there are orders b4 you was the last FPGA orders were allowed to convert to ASICs. They've automatically become the first ones in line. For new orders, its true that you're the first. I'm getting confused with all this. Now, which sock puppet are you. Are you Josh, Sonny, Andrew or the secretary minecraft addict at the office. LOL Fixed it for you. |
|
|
|
So far, (from looking at the plugs) I only see 1/3rd of a minirig being pictured. Where are the other two units?
In Inaba's farm. That explains this message from him then. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=89902.msg2456884#msg2456884Ok folks... we are at a critical juncture here and I'm looking for input on how to move forward. I am not able to host all the singles, given the new power requirements. I would have to split it into separate DC's and even if I were to keep them in the current locations, the increased power cost far exceeds the 10% held back on the units. In short, I simply can't operate this number of singles even at break even on my part. Obviously, this is an untenable situation for me. I'm considering invoking the original clause: Should mining become unprofitable or other circumstances cause the operator to be unable or unwilling to perform his duties, sale of all hardware and equal distribution of funds will commence according to the number of shares held by each individual. I am obviously not willing to operate at a continual loss. If anyone has suggestions on moving forward, I'm open to them. |
|
|
|
I wonder if GigaVPS made the pic that way to give a false impression? How is it gigavps's fault that you can't read??  Ah, luke: « Last Edit: June 18, 2013, 07:17:33 PM by gigavps »The first OP post was edited after it was made. Also, I understood there was three components to a BFL [ASIC] minirig. I saw several so I assumed GigaVPS was showing more than 1/3. So far, (from looking at the plugs) I only see 1/3rd of a minirig being pictured. Where are the other two units? |
|
|
|
Fellow Bitcoiners, It has been a long road to get to this point but I am pleased to announce that the first 500Gh/s BFL units have been delivered and are happily hashing away as I type this. This is a huge milestone for BFL and shows their continued efforts to fulfill their promises to customers.  http://kcmo2.gigamining.com/The picture above shows multiple FPGA minirigs along with 1 ASIC minirig. The rig will be up and down for the evening while conman works to get cgminer fine tuned with the new firmware. Best, James Congrats. Oh, I get the joke! I was thinking they were all ASIC miners.... Now I finally understand that only one of them is the latest generation of ASIC while the others that look similar are just the older FPGA version from the previous generation. I wonder if GigaVPS made the pic that way to give a false impression? Which one is of the three or four is the actual current generation ASIC? |
|
|
|
I will buy it right now for 100.000 BitBar! I hear they are worth 7 BTC each and come with Scrypt FPGA so what do you say?  Tell us more? |
|
|
|
It's been up and down numerous times as I've been chipping away at the code to make it work at its theoretical maximum 480GH.
Why 480 and not 500? It behaves like 8 60GH singles instead of some separate unit. I have no idea about their claims and whatnot. Nah, don't worry about it. I am just wondering [rhetorically] why they didn't spec test the unit before sending it out. Keep us posted on any developments. |
|
|
|
It's been up and down numerous times as I've been chipping away at the code to make it work at its theoretical maximum 480GH. It's mostly working now. Here's what I've got: cgminer version 3.2.2 - Started: [2013-06-19 02:17:06]
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
(5s):477.6G (avg):472.1Gh/s | A:16 R:0 HW:193 U:10.8/m WU:6575.3/m
ST: 2 SS: 0 NB: 2 LW: 11012 GF: 0 RF: 0
Connected to XXX diff 500
Block: 00179d4404ca1359... Diff:19.3M Started: [02:18:28] Best share: 9.56K
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
[P]ool management [S]ettings [D]isplay options [Q]uit
BAS 0: max 68C 3.28V | 56.23G/58.22Gh/s | A:1 R:0 HW:18 U: 0.67/m
BAS 1: max 69C 3.27V | 58.92G/60.48Gh/s | A:1 R:0 HW:23 U: 0.67/m
BAS 2: max 74C 3.27V | 60.53G/59.85Gh/s | A:4 R:0 HW:19 U: 2.69/m
BAS 3: max 80C 3.28V | 62.52G/61.58Gh/s | A:1 R:0 HW:20 U: 0.67/m
BAS 4: max 86C 3.27V | 74.56G/59.90Gh/s | A:4 R:0 HW:39 U: 2.69/m
BAS 5: max 71C 3.28V | 64.25G/58.79Gh/s | A:1 R:0 HW:25 U: 0.67/m
BAS 6: max 81C 3.27V | 59.93G/58.98Gh/s | A:2 R:0 HW:25 U: 1.34/m
BAS 7: max 72C 3.27V | 43.22G/60.81Gh/s | A:2 R:0 HW:25 U: 1.34/m
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Note the hardware error count may appear very high, but bear in mind that it's mining at diff 500 Why 480 and not 500? |
|
|
|
|
Show Posts
