Compliance, compliance, compliance. We should all be making that happen. It is not possible even if you want to. Bitcoin is not compatible with current banking regulations. Your money service business will be compatible only if you can confiscate money from customer accounts. It is not possible with bitcoins. This is why bitcoin is illegal by definition! Of course, there is nothing wrong with bitcoin. This is current money laws that need to be changed.
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Unfortunately, it's difficult to buy something with my dreams of fortune...
Unfortunately, your dreams are very different from bitcoin because you can buy 130 dollars for 1 bitcoin. Anything else you don't understand?
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Can you try again to explain me with your own words (I mean words you can understand the meaning)? It seems you're having hard time understanding even the simplest among simple words. Are you sure you are on the right forum?
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I'm talking about Josh, the person incarnated by the forum name Inaba and his six figure boast-bet. Of course.
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Unfortunately, you often seems to hear imaginary voices ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif) At least you have understood what people do hedge against while buying bitcoins. That is a progress too.
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I've just asked if those who bought 200$/btc can really feel they've got "sound money for their retirement and health insurance". Your question was answered several times. Yes, they can!
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So, no, I'm not upset Fine. So, enjoy your profitable investment! If clean money are ahead of the dirty money, there is nothing to worry about. If dirty money are ahead of the clean money, well then the dirty money proved to be clever than clean one and the latter should have learned their lesson. Either case is good for Bitcoin!
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thousands of BFL "believers"/EMC customers going crazy with him as if he is the one responsible for their losses Yes, he has a substantial share in that responsibility! He allowed scammers to advertise for too long while silencing all of us who tried to warn what is going on.
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but where did you read I want to suspend/burn anything? You justify shutting down LR because it was used by criminals. All I'm asking is why don't you apply same logic to $$, because the dollar is indisputable leader as the currency of choice among criminal? The real question here is not "can criminal use btc?" but "how much does dirty money flow influence btc price?"... The real question is if you regulate the dollar as a currency why did you allow some of the dollars become dirty dollars? If you can't prevent some dollars become dirty dollars how do you expect to prevent some bitcoins from becoming dirty bitcoins? And why are you so upset of bitcoin price appreciation?
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An hedge against what???
A hedge against never ending money printing of central banks and puppet governments. People need sound money for their retirement and health insurance. What exactly does make you think that criminals didn't use bitcoin before the bubble ? Criminals most use dollars for their criminal activities. Using bitcoins or Liberty Reserve for criminal activities is just a fraction of the criminal activities whose turnover is in dollars. Why don't you suspend all transactions in dollars? In fact, a recent research found out that on every second pound bill in the UK there are traces of cocaine. Will you burn half of the banknotes in circulation?
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BFL most likely has elected to receive payments in USD not BTC. BitPay would automatically convert it then. Only BitPay and BFL know how much of the received bitcoins they converted in $$ and how much they decided to keep in bitcoins! And this, my friend, is exactly the definition of a free option call BFL gets at the expense of their customers... You profit in that if BTC goes up, you can cancel your preorder and rebuy - so you are holding something in USD and BTC, and choosing which one based on the prices.
This is actually a nonsense! Case 1 I have 50 bitcoins. I transfer 50 bitcoins to BFL I receive 50 bitcoins refund for BFL fails to deliver. Result: I have 50 bitcoins Case 2 I have 50 bitcoins. I don't transfer any bitcoins to BFL Result: I have 50 bitcoins. How do I profit from following Case 1 than following Case 2? Please stop, you're not helping your cause.
If you have arguments, please tell them? If you don't, please don't tell me what to do!
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The item is priced in USD, you are paying with BTC. Again, this doesn't correspond to the truth! What does matter is not the price tag but the invoice! Invoice is the commercial paper that is presented in a court of law. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=137026.msg1460393#msg1460393Like it or not, Bitcoin will never be used for commercial transactions if you can get free currency speculation. BFL is using bitcoin for free currency speculation, not me. I had the bitcoins BEFORE I decided to transfer them to BFL!!! How do I profit if I sent 50 bitcoins to BFL and got exactly 50 bitcoins refunded? 8. ASIC startups strongly oppose full bitcoin refunds as they are a big profit source. Firstly, because bitcoin is still unregulated as a currency and as a method of payment and secondly, because receiving bitcoins and later refunding in $, gives those companies free option call to profit from BTC /$ exchange rates differences between payment and refund dates. Of course, what is profit for them is a loss for you! https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=136615.0
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If you buy an item from a shop in Europe using the Euros, you get the refund back in Euros.
If you pay it with a credit card with USD, the credit card company exchanges your USD to Euros. They do not care about USD, they got Euros.
This is what Bitpay does. There is a big difference between credit card payments and a bitcoin payments. It is the currency of transaction!Refund is just the reversal of a transaction. If you pay EUR from your USD run credit card, the transaction currency is EUR. This is why you get refund in EUR. You have a contract signed with your credit card issuing bank to make the currency conversions for you. This is YOUR bank that is making the currency conversions, not the merchant! While making a payment in bitcoins the transaction currency is bitcoins, not USD. BitPay is making the currency conversion for BFL, not for BFL customers. BFL customers don't have any agreemnet signed with BitPay. BFL have! This why the invoice issued by BitPay on behalf of BFL has prices both in USD and bitcoins! You should really read the thread I've pointed out!
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People are more than capable of getting their money back any time they please. And yes I know it's dollar denominated, every business does that, even outside the "bitcoin world". That doesn't correspond to the truth. BFL refuses full bitcoin refunds - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=137026.0 I have warned people several months ago. What you did is change the title and lock the thread. Denomination is a proper description of a currency amount, usually for coins or banknotes. For example, five euros is the denomination of a five euro note. Talking about denomination of a purchase order is totally irrelevant! Unless, of course, you purchase a bond. But BFL customers aren't investors, are they? They are just donors.
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I may not agree with all the laws, but I still must abide by them. Then forget about Bitcoin! The US government will stop at nothing defending the dollar. "Whatever it takes" - so often we listen officials saying these words at both sides of the Atlantic. Expect everything from people so desperate to defend their power whatever the cost.
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Bitcoin crashes and goes away.
The more US government is trying to crackdown on bitcoin related services the more bitcoin will flourish. They know that very well.
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I thought BFL begun shipping like a week ago or something?
If you come across something with "lab" in its name, RUN! 99.99% of investors in ScamflyLabs will never get their money back!
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Ripple sounds like a wet fart.. I don't think anyone is fooled.
Ripple is a brilliant technical achievement as a p2p exchange, but has 2 big problems. One of them is the proprietary private currency XRP that is required to transact on the ripple network. The second one is the ripple gateway, which is unavoidable in every p2p concept, but has to effectively get banking license if respective gateway wants to operate legally.
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It doesn't get much more digital than that. It does, my friend. It does. The decision of how many numbers should be created in some bank's computer is taken by some very real objects or rather subjects, not by some open source network protocol! And those real object/subjects will do whatever they can do to defend the privilege they have. It doesn't matter what is 'explicitly forbidden' by some government It is not "some" government. It is every government on this planet. Face it! You can not legally create and operate p2p exchange for fiat currencies. Existing laws and regulations in every country are all targeted to prevent exactly this from happening.
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