Just like pirate@40, davout suddenly shutdowns his bitcoin storage service Just like pirate@40, davout is promising to pay back everyone 'soon' (managers love this word) Just like pirate@40, davout is disappearing davout, the owner, just stole everyone's balance on bitcoin-central.com and instawallet.org50.000 bitcoin theft just happened and people here don't even know it? wtf! glad I didn't put my money there oh I received a message from davout: everyone stay calm and just wait, all is good, nothing to see here (while he's booking a ticket to panama, flipping you the finger) davout, the first bitcoin staff member to scam the community davout's panama wallet: clickyYou must be absolutely confident that he will try to pay your bitcoins in euro. At the exchange rate when you have transfered them to bitcoin-central! That's what all scammers do recently starting from BFL, Bitmarket.eu and now bitcoin-central.net Bitcoin is not recognized as a currency.
Therefore you never made a payment.
Therefore you are not entitled to a refund. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=137026.msg1460962#msg1460962 |
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To all of you panic buying because you missed the "greatest thing ever", mark this post, within 6 months you will be able to buy in much lower, I have a large buy order at $35 (just above the 2011 high). How do you feel today, my friend? It's just one day after your OP and exchange rate is already at $178. |
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Also in the LEGAL sense he is NOT bankrupt, as he got the consent of his community to pay back his debts over time. This is ridiculous! |
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I believe they will come through, but would appreciate if more people in front of me got refunds. All Avalon customers are in front of you. Do you really appreciate it? Well, enjoy! Some people are born to be suckers. |
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This guy just wants his coins back because they are valued 5 times more in USD value today which is morally questionable It doesn't matter how much they are valued, 5 times more or 50 times more. Those coins are his coins, not BFL's coins. Those coins were his coins BEFORE he sent them to BFL! They would have been BFL's coins if BFL had delivered what they have promised, but they didn't. Processing only partial bitcoin refunds BFL gets free option call on BTC/USD exchange rate. No court of law will tolerate this! |
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As educated consumers....
As a professional independent consultant lawyer with a PhD in consumer dispute cases I can tell you that you are an idiot Then you're professional idiot! Learn what is the FTC definition for "pre-order"! Even a professional idiot will see how BFL is breaking the law! Pay upfront != pre-order Visit http://butterflylabs.com/ and tell me what is the text on the button? Is it "pay upfront now" or is it "pre-order now"? I told you you're professional idiot... You are defending a company without even having visited their website! |
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As educated consumers....
As a professional independent consultant lawyer with a PhD in consumer dispute cases I can tell you that you are an idiot Then you're professional idiot! Learn what is the FTC definition for "pre-order"! Even a professional idiot will see how BFL is breaking the law! |
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People like you are the reason why there are still not many places to spend Bitcoins: nobody wants a customer like you! Hahaha... Oh boy... The oldest rule of marketing is "Customer is the king". Crooks like BFL and paid fanboys like you are the reason why bitcoin is not widely accepted AS A CURRENCY. They think bitcoin is not a currency but just A METHOD OF PAYING $US! If the future of bitcoin depends on such crooks like BFL, bitcoin will always be a lame currency that will always need a crutch ($US) to move around! Is that really what we all want? No, thanks! It is very simple indeed. If a company can not handle BTC/USD exchange risk they should not announce that they accept payments in BTC. Period! |
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So tell me, why, exactly, the price in BTC that is ONLY shown on the invoice should somehow supercede the price that is shown EVERYWHERE, the invoice included?
It doesn't supersede! Both are equally valid if there are 2 prices in 2 different currencies shown on the invoice! |
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No, it's not priced in Bitcoins. If it was priced in Bitcoins, you would see on the homepage It doesn't matter what is on the homepage. Only thing that matters is what's on the invoice. Invoice is the commercial document! Learn your lesson, buddy! You did NOT buy a unit for X number of Bitcoins. That was simply the method of payment. Method of payment is paying by credit card, bank wire, paypal, check. You use a method of payment to transfer currency. Looking at bitcoin.org only definition I see is: An open source P2P digital currency. Bitcoin is a currency, a protocol, and a software... Where can I read that bitcoin is a method of paying $US? |
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I normally hate it when I get wrapped up into reading an entire thread of uselessness. This one is quite entertaining though. I've been laughing at the OP and all of the reactions that this thread has caused since.
My 2 cents or rather 2 Satoshis,
$3600 = $3600
Don't be greedy.
I'm not, BFL are. They are soooo greedy that they are desperately trying to convince me that BTC10=BTC60... Laughable. |
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I'm not saying that you have to like it. Yep, but what I'm saying it's a question of simple math, right? Every court will accept that 2+2=4. You're being intentionally dense. And therefore, I'm done replying to you on this issue. You've just said it's a question of simple math. Well, I have shown my calculations. What is your math? $1300 is $1300. You ordered a unit for $1300, paying for it with Bitcoins. You can receive a refund of $1300, either in USD or Bitcoins. You did NOT buy a unit for X number of Bitcoins. That was simply the method of payment. It simply is not true. I've already proved it to you. It WAS and still IS priced in bitcoins as well. I don't give wishful examples. I give proof! https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=137026.msg1460393#msg1460393 |
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I'm not saying that you have to like it. Yep, but what I'm saying it's a question of simple math, right? Every court will accept that 2+2=4. You're being intentionally dense. And therefore, I'm done replying to you on this issue. You've just said it's a question of simple math. Well, I have shown my calculations. What is your math? |
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I'm not saying that you have to like it. Yep, but what I'm saying it's a question of simple math, right? Every court will accept that 2+2=4. |
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You would receive a windfall profit otherwise, and the courts despise giving a plaintiff more than they lost. LOL... How would I receive a windfall profit by paying BTC100 to BFL and getting a refund for BTC100? You must be joking. Not joking. Simple math. Yeah, it's very simple indeed. Read about it: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=137026.msg1460143#msg1460143 |
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You would receive a windfall profit otherwise, and the courts despise giving a plaintiff more than they lost. LOL... How would I receive a windfall profit by paying BTC100 to BFL and getting a refund for BTC100? You must be joking. |
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What most folks here don`t realize is that BFL DOESN`T NEED TO PRODUCE A VALID PRODUCT, they only need to keep the charade going for as much as possible. THEY ARE MAKING MONEY WITH YOUR MONEY and think that are going to get away with it. They have hired posters, and most likely I will get 3-4 answers from members with 100+ posts saying the "refund in USD" story. Yep, they have hired posters and at least one of the forum mods as well... https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=137026.0 |
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I cashed out at $27 to recoup my losses from 2011 when I had bought in at $19, only to find the damned thing had no intention of stopping yet, so I bought in again at $34 and cashed out again today at $47. Some famous quotes: He who never makes a mistake never makes anything. He who makes the same mistake twice is a fool. |
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it could drop down to 2 USD again. As a matter of fact, it still can. And if it did, everyone would cry that they want the EUR version. It's just unreasonable for me to pay whatever the current value of BTC, because it changes every hour. Wow, I've already seen this same lame "argument" from BFL crooks. There must be one single brain behind all those scams. |
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as i understood, i can wait for my 2btc from who ?
From nobody. Nobody will pay you in BTC. They have already stated that! They shall wait until 1BTC=10000 euro. Then with just a small part of the stolen BTC they will repay their debt in euros at BTC/EUR exchange rate in December 2012. This is their "bail-out" plan. Until that happens they shall take salaries from the new website. |
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