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2761  Economy / Gambling / Re: Without money, does it still qualify as gambling? on: June 07, 2023, 02:52:43 PM
~ There's what people called free giveaways, where you're permitted to join a quest for receiving anything for free if you're lucky or being eligible, gambling is all about playing games, both live or virtual games and sports, you bet by using your money to stand in for you that if your prediction is accurate, you stand a chance to make a winning, i don't count anything that does not do with money a gambling because you're not staking anything for such.

And you are right, imo, because gambling, by definition, is about staking something valuable. Yes, some activities, when nothing valuable is at stake, still called "gambling" sometimes, but those cases are the topic of discussion rather on linguistic forums than here in Gambling section.
The reason why many people choose to gambler is to make more valuable profits from what they do. You put your money so that you can make more money which is simple. If you don't bet we'll or have to amounts of luck for you to make a winning, then you are going to lose money totally without getting it back. You win other lose, if other win, you lose. Simple pattern how gambling works.

Even if we are playing and having fun we can still bet and gambles as long as such leads to argument we need to prove how right we are, we can stake any amount of money right among ourselves, gambles and have more fun amidst our owers, everyone have the full right to try his luck, sometimes when we are too sure about something, we turn it to gambling because we want to show or prove it to everyone that we are true about it, to me i may say gambling is another way of showing how confident and desperate we are about a particular game, sport or event.


Why do we gamble? To have fun and to gain some money too. Yes, if you only need fun, there are many games like arcade games, puzzles or action games that may give you even more fun with attractive graphics but when you are gambling, your main focus is to earn some money too.

So if you ask gamblers to gamble with fake money or no money at all, I don't think they will show any interest. Suppose you are betting on a match and in the end you know that the winner will get no reward, would you bet or even think of doing all this hassle?

So for gamblers without money, there is no gambling.
2762  Economy / Gambling / Re: Is this considered a safe practice on: June 07, 2023, 01:44:12 PM
debit card could lead to plenty problem we might not able to resolve since the there are some issues that is attached to debit card uses. Those who are using card to fund there online account can be doing that is some. Level of risk attached to it and if we use our debit card on scam casinos, we might end up losing our money without getting it back.
It would be more dangerous if they continued to use credit and debit cards because, after all, we can forget to control the use of the cards. We freely deposit large amounts of money for gambling; if we can't control ourselves, it becomes even more dangerous. So it is not recommended to connect debit cards and credit cards for gambling, even for online shopping, because now many hacks are happening on many sites.
It's unlikely anyone would ever connect a debit or credit card to a crypto-based casino, but for fiat casinos it can happen.
If you really want to connect a debit or credit card it's better to use a new one because I'm sure everyone must have more than one card so as to minimize financial expenses for excessive gambling and also to protect against other things such as hacking.
But we are in the crypto gambling industry so there is no need to use a debit or credit card.

Does even the crypto casino offers the deposit method using fiat money ? As far as I know most of the crypto casinos only allows you to deposit in cryptocurrencies. There may be  few casino which offers deposit method in both crypto and fiat credit cards.

I think deposit using crypto is more convenient as compare to the credit card deposit. You can't trust every casino in sending your credit card information to them.
2763  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ODI cricket and general cricketing discussion [self - mod] on: June 07, 2023, 01:04:11 PM
Afghanistan vs Sri Lanka

Sri Lanka and Afghanistan square off against each other in the third and final ODI match to clinch the series. As Sri Lanka won the toss and batted in the second ODI match, Afghanistan followed the same pattern in the third ODI match  they won the toss and decided to bat first. But their batting decision after winning the toss against Sri Lanka was not right as they had already lost 5 wickets for 77 runs.
With the way they lost wickets early on, Afghanistan could probably muster 170 to 190 runs in the first innings. 170 to 190 runs can never be a safe score to win in ODI cricket.

The Series is won by Srilanka.  Smiley

Srilanka won comfortably in the end with 9 wickets. I did not expect a one-sided match where they only had to chase 116 runs in the final ODI match.  Pathum Nissanka and Dimuth Karunaratne easily chased down this score by making 50+ runs both of them. The opener from Sri Lanka single-handedly chased this score as they lost their first wicket at 84 runs.

Afghanistan did win the first ODI match but after that the next two matches, the Sri Lankan team won by a big margin. They won the 2nd ODI by 132 runs and this last ODI with 9 wickets.
2764  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: would you play more on casino when your country plans to ban BTC? on: June 07, 2023, 11:45:06 AM
while your country plans to ban crypto trading but online gambling legal, you'll gonna to decide what to do with coins.  would you go play your coins to accumulate or just withdraw and wait for the government to change stance?  no other option.

If you are a gambler, then you may think of gambling with your savings but generally speaking why would you gamble and lose your money (gambling do involve big risk of losing capital)

If you ask me, and I am given only the two options I may spend some part for gambling but mostly I will keep my savings in bitcoin until government unban the crypto. Also If the country never unban crypto, I still have the chance to move or travel to crypto friendly country and then cash out my bitcoins
2765  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Hi Im trader over 12 years of experince here is my goal on: June 07, 2023, 11:13:25 AM
Im trader over 12 years of experince.
I like to challenge myself iwill use mainly moving average indicator.
My goal is to start with 7$ and in 15 days i'll turn this into 229376$
I'll post here results when i have done this my PNL from binance.


The goal which you have set here is unrealistic one and I don't think any one can earn that much amount of money through trading.

Since you said that you have 12 years of trading experience, did you ever made such money before ? If so , share the prove to us. Seriously if trading cryptocurrencies was so profitable, everyone would have been rich through trading, which is not the case.

Anyhow, I am keen to see how to go about this challenge and I hope you remain active here with all the progress of your trades.
2766  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ODI cricket and general cricketing discussion [self - mod] on: June 06, 2023, 07:54:41 PM
West Indies collected 306 runs but the team was under a lot of pressure in the last moment. Although the run score is very good, the UAE will not be able to make up for it. Because there is not such a skilled player, West Indies have the best batting in this field. In this case, I would like to say that the UAE is not very ahead in terms of bowling, due to which it may have to lose today. And if a good run score can be collected in the powerplay with less wicket pressure then the game will be very tight. Because to win, you have to chase from the beginning.
The United Arab Emirates faced terrible situation early in the batting. 3 bowlers took a total of 3 wickets in the beginning. It is very easy to understand that the current situation of the team is not good because the team has managed to score only 53 runs after losing 3 wickets. Target 306 makes it a huge equation for them to recover from this situation. They can go ahead if able to form good partnership. West Indies will win the series by losing today's match. Because a big scoring match must have a good start. The pressure is gradually increasing.

It is absolutely needless to say that West Indies got more than enough on the board to defend. Especially against a team like the UAE. Currently, the UAE needs 173 runs from 18.1 overs. And they only have 5 wickets in hand to get that. This is certainly not a very good situation for the UAE. I do not think the UAE will be able to win this match from this situation. The UAE currently needs more than 9.5 runs per over. This is almost an impossible task for them in my opinion.

In the 2nd ODI, West Indies played a better game and was able to score 306 runs. It is impossible for Ireland to make this big score and now the situation is that they need 130 runs in almost 40 balls.
On this batting wicket at Sharjah, Brandon King and Johnson Charles form West indies had a opening partnership of 129 runs and it was the perfect start for them to make this big total.

This is a one sided match and with today's win,  West Indies will win the series and the last match will have no interest to watch. However can Ireland pull one last match in their favor:Smiley
2767  Economy / Marketplace / Re: What do you buy/want to buy with crypto? on: June 06, 2023, 11:03:33 AM
Real estate, only problem is that buying real estate with crypto is only wide-spread in Dubai, when it comes to other countries I consider better it's close to impossible. I can find individual sellers but no agency willing to deal with crypto.
There are some developed countries that have Bitcoin transactions but not all countries have such facilities. Even if we want to, we cannot make any transactions through Bitcoin in countries where Bitcoin is not legal. Dubai is one of the most modern cities in the world and it is natural that this city will have all kinds of facilities. But this facility will not be limited only to Dubai as time changes and someday this facility will spread globally. Tourists will not have any problem with currency exchange if in most countries the facility of transactions through Bitcoin is kept along with money.

To tell you truth my vision is currently to accumulate bitcoin as much as I can and not spend it. If you trust bitcoin and it's future, you won't be willing to spend it in these cheap prices.

Secondly those people think that since bitcoin is not legal in some countries, it would be difficult to spend , this is not the case. You can always convert your bitcoin into fiat and then buy whatever you want. Spending bitcoin is not a problem , the real focus should be to accumulate bitcoins.
2768  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: European Sex Championship 😳, Will you Bet? on: June 06, 2023, 10:29:44 AM
Even if casino add this kind of competition for betting, in which section would it be? Other ? I believe gamblers rarely enter this section. I bet not many will be interested in such placing bet for such championship, as it looks studit to lose money with such bets. People would bet on something they are familiar with. Sex championship - even if there will be such a sport, it will be still new and less interesting.

Let's suppose the betting sites offer the betting for sex tornamemt but how will they decide the odds. Even if they give almost similar odds to both the sides, how will the players will select the player to bet on.

We never know the strength and weaknesses of the players as we will be withnessing all of them for the first time  if we bet on any player, it wil be pure luck as no player history would be available.
2769  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Have You Experienced Winning Bets By Upsets on: June 06, 2023, 06:28:05 AM
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I had some bets before like that, but since they were underdogs I only wagered few bucks, the odds were really good but it'll be a huge lost if I placed higher, that's why I decided to play it safe with lowering the risk.
I did these bets maybe only for around 10 matches. The result were even for me, which is better than I expected.

It makes sense because usually when there are gamblers who bet on the underdog's team or athletes just to try their luck not because they have the belief that the bet will give a profit because they win, and that's still fun because for example we only bet $ 2 on a weak team at odds of 5.00 or above and winning can already give the same result as we bet $ 5 at odds of 2.00. The money we use will be smaller because the risk is big to lose is different from betting on the favorite because there is a big enough chance to win but actually all bets are at risk for us to lose, even when we bet at odds below 1.10 the risk is still there because unexpected results are often happening, like what happened at last year's World Cup or also matches in the league, but if you can win when you bet on something weak it's great fun and sometimes makes us not believe it's happening.

Most of the time the underdogs will lose or the upset won't happen. However usually the weaker team who is more likely to lose have a good odds.
It really depends if you want to take risk with your money and bet on a weaker side. If you do so, 70 to 80% chance that you will lose the bet but if you are lucky to win the bet, then you will get nice profits due to high odds.
2770  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Don't be fool to keep on exchange, look my name on: June 06, 2023, 06:09:12 AM
Not your key, not your BTC

If you save it in the cloud, exchange, or any service online, you don't own your key. It's the same as giving your neck to the executioner. Better to give your wealth to social institutions, war victims, and people who are undernourished than give your wealth to rich people who own the cloud and exchange.

Most of us, if not all, know that keeping the money is in exchanges is risky as their we do not get the access to the keys. Any Central exchange where we access our funds through username and passwords is always subject to risk as the site can scam or go offline anytime and we can lose our funds.

Any how I found your username unique that is not your keys not your funds (BTC) 🙂
2771  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: The madness of gambling addicts. on: June 05, 2023, 06:19:34 PM
We have discussed too often about addiction, in general they will do anything to fulfill their addiction to gambling.
A gambler who admits that he is an addict is very easy to cure because they still realize that this is actually wrong.
Except for addicts who are not aware that they are gambling addicts, this is what is difficult to cure.
It is the involvement of these illegal drugs that sometimes helps gambling addicts to better meet their addiction needs so that they will become more difficult to cure gambling addicts.[/left]

The main issue is that gamblers do not admit that they are addicted to the gambling and this is the main cause or reason that they are unable to quit gambling because they do not consider themselves addicted. When you are not willing to accept that you are unfit, how will you take steps to make you fit?
This is exactly true with gambling addicts. They think they are just gambling normally and hence they will never take steps that will make them gamble less or take a break from gambling. They keep losing money and think it is only because of bad luck and still not willing to accept that they are addicted to gambling.
2772  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: European Sex Championship 😳, Will you Bet? on: June 05, 2023, 06:01:13 PM
2. If casinos pick this up and make provisions available to users to bet on this supposed European sex Championship, would you bet?

The big question is there any casino that is offering a bet on this sex Championship? If you know about any site, do inform us too.

By the way, this is just the wildest sports i have ever heard of. Also, i would like to bet on many sports but this is one sport where instead of betting, I wish i could join it as a player  Cheesy Cheesy
2773  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Wagering requirements for withdraw on: June 05, 2023, 04:05:12 PM
One thing regarding the wagering requirements, is that most of us have fallen for not reading very high wagering requirements,in fact when I land on one that says 10x I already know that I will not get anything from there, because it is obvious I'm not going to get there, if nothing else, sometimes with 1x you can lose everything, now 10x no matter how much patience you have or something is achievable, but it has to be someone with a demonstration of Faith and a lot of Experience , in Addition to having a lot of Good luck , it's the only way I can see that things can happen,  otherwise I don't think so, as I've seen 30x, 50x, 100x requirements, things that are not within my reach.

You were lucky to have detected that earlier and that is because of your prior knowledge of what the negative impact the wagering requirements are for the gambler against the casino and also failed to read the terms and conditions of the casino and to know what their wagering requirement will be, any wagering requirements that is above 1x then it a pilot that will fly the gambler to many lose eventually.

Indeed, knowing the require wagering requirements gives you an idea that the goal is not achievable or the chance of losing your initial capital would be the end point of your gambling sessions, x1 is far different from x10 if you see the requirement like that it's better not to proceed. If you like to check out is always needed to note out that depositing small amount will help you to avoid having a big loss.

If you failed to read the terms and conditions, consider your deposit as part of knowing the site and you can avoid to play back with
that bad experienced that you got.
And another thing I personally do is try as much as possible to avoid bonuses that require I achieve a certain hidden wagering requirement before I could make a withdrawal, no doubt some casino are very dubious in their operations, they offer their users a big bonus and then hide the wager requirement attached to the bonus, users start depositing in respect of claiming the bonus, only to discover that their funds are trapped and no way out except they gamble, which possibly, they might end up loosing the entire money.

Casino uses bonus as a weapon to attract the gamblers to deposit at the casinos. Casino keep the high wagering requirement purposefully because they know that gamblers wont be able to fulfill the gambling requirements and therefore they will never withdraw the amount. Even though the gambling sites have given the bonues but they know that the gamblers will not be able to withdrawal them.

This is indeed a win win situation for the gambling casino as they get the people money due to promotions and yet people end up getting nothing but losing money.
2774  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ODI cricket and general cricketing discussion [self - mod] on: June 05, 2023, 03:06:10 PM
UAE could not score big because they were all out it is wrong they lost wickets from the start and they could not score big because they lost wickets from the start. 
United Arab Emirates got all out in 47 overs which means if they could have batted for three more overs then I don't think they would have scored much runs. Against West Indies if they could have batted well from the start and built a good partnership, the score would have been bigger for UAE but they failed to build any big partnership. West Indies won the first ODI of the three-match ODI series to take a 1-0 lead against the hosts. These two teams will face each other again in the second ODI match on 6th.

West Indies is an experienced team and they should win this match and the series against the UAE. I was keen to see how the United Arab Emirates play this match and to my surprise, they played well to score over 200 runs. There were some good batting performances by Ali Naseer and Vriitya Aravind which helped UAE. I am hopeful that United Arab Emirates may gain good experience from this series.
Even if they manage to win a single match in the series, it will be a good for them.
2775  Economy / Gambling / Re: THNDR Play Games to Earn Bitcoin on: June 05, 2023, 01:54:22 PM
It somehow seems to me that there is no need to talk about earning, but about entertainment in the case of such things. From what I know, you can earn more on faucets in one hour than playing these games - although some will say that faucets are a waste of time. Besides, playing games on a smartphone usually drains the battery very quickly, and you also need internet to play online if I understand correctly?

Most people are interested in earning rather than playing the games. This is why people here prefer to play gambling games where they can earn (or lose) while playing and not the other games where they is no money involved and people play only for the fun.

It's important that you earn some money while playing at THNDR and this make it unique and different from other games which are only for time pass or fun.
Even though the earning by games may be less but still getting something while playing is better than not earning at all.
2776  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Do You Think Casinos Should Do Survey From Time To Time To Assess You. on: June 05, 2023, 03:39:17 AM
It's true and it's up to the casino whether to do a survey or not because it's just a suggestion so that the casino can find out how far their casino has progressed towards its customers. If the casino can get suggestions from its users to improve service and provide the best, it can get more members to gamble in its place.

We know that many gamblers are trying to get the best casino and only by knowing the response from each gambler can the casino work optimally and improve its services. It can also increase their reputation because they always care about their customers and don't want to disappoint their customers.
Now that's what I think and without the need to prioritize casino surveys it would be better to continue to do better development and updates so they can realize by themselves that more and more gamblers register to play actively there.
Some gamblers don't really care about such surveys because what gamblers prioritize is only being able to play at casinos that are trusted and have a good reputation.
Gamblers' reviews about trusted casinos will always go from one person to another so that if the casino is able to provide the best for gamblers, more gamblers will be interested and become loyal customers.

Yes, Surveys can be a good way for the casino to judge what their customers are having an opinion about the casino, what things they need to improve and what new things they can bring in the casino to make it more interesting and attractive for the casino. Even in the survey or feedback form, they can ask which type of promotions and bonuses do they prefer and things like that.

If the casino is really keen to make it a gambling heaven for the gamblers, then getting the opinion from the players in important and leverage surveys is the best option.
2777  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Would you use a VPN on a casino, even if it is not allowed in their ToS? on: June 04, 2023, 11:56:56 PM
By the way, is a VPN always demonstrable? Would it also be possible to use a VPN without a gambling site finding out? For example, I know at Cyberghost that you can buy your own IP address, so that means that you are the only one who can use an IP address and that it has not been used by anyone else from Cyberghost's customer base. But a VPN is of course in a certain range, so it is suspicious and some sites will do anything to avoid having to pay.

If the IP is fixed, then the papers one is supposed to provide to the casino through the KYC process may need to match those issued in the location, I think?
For example, I could be a citizen from Australia living in Australia but for some reason wanted to access to a casino in disguise of me living in Europe. If the casino staff does not allow VPN or dynamic IP addresses and grow suspect of me, then they may not only request for identity documents but also for further proof of residence or bank statements.

In the end, it is just better to stick to the rules of the casinos and save ourselves from having a bad time with out money.  Roll Eyes

Most of us do not have a fixed IP. Whenever we connect to an ISP or broadband connection we are provided with a dynamic IP however that IP does reflect our country location. The casino will detect if you are connecting from a location which is allowed by the gambling site or connected by a location prohibited by the gambling location.

Sometimes, we are living is a country where the gambling site allows their services but as soon as we connect to a VPN, our location may change and all of sudden the gambling site may think that we are connected from prohibited location and may ban our accounts. We should be careful in selecting VPN or in most case, not using VPN may be a better option.
2778  Economy / Gambling / Re: is KYC data on Gambling sites safe? on: June 04, 2023, 11:44:28 PM
It is not safe, few motnhs ago incident has been happened and Rolbit Casino has send user VIP level-based bonuses to verified emails of Stake users. It is matter of glitch to get caught on such attack or agreement since some casinos may sell KYC userbase data to third-parties for making more money. Stake has never accepted their fault and the management has deleted related forum posts on the forum. That is why I don't trust online platforms when it is about my personal info.

It might not be safe but when you are only gambling with small amount of money i dont think you will become a target of such fraud? High value target are all those users who gambles large money thus it will catch the attention of the casino and perform a trick to lose your money.
That is very unfortunate it happens to someone. KYC is already flawed right before it was imposed.

The gambling sites do not distinguish between low wagering users or high wagering users when it comes to the KYC. Have you heard that a site ask for KYC if your deposits are high or do not ask for KYC with low deposits?

In fact, most gambling sites will ask for the KYC irrespective of your portfolio with the gambling site. Also if the gambling site decides to misuse your data or sell your data, they will not categorize low or high volume users.
2779  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Some needed features of an online casino. on: June 04, 2023, 04:39:09 PM
Time limit won't be effective because someone can bet a million dollar in single bet and lose all at once so instead of thinking that sites should stop the addiction.
I dont consider betting million dollars at one time as addiction, it is just you just have. lot of money which can make you bet that amount of money, addiction is something you can focus anymore on doing other things just because that thing is consuming a lot of your time and cannot make you think good anymore because of being addicted on which time limit might be useful in that case.
But it could be that betting millions of dollars is a gambling addiction, especially if we don't know the truth. But those who often bet with big money may not feel anything because it's normal for them. But not for those of us who never bet big money. Many things can cause gambling addiction, and it will be difficult to leave if we are already affected by it. And before gambling addiction came to us, it was better for us always to try to control ourselves and manage money to gamble.

It depends on how much money you have and how much you bet. Let's suppose you have 100 million dollars with you and if you bet 1 million on a single bet, then it is considered normal but if anyone does not know that he possesses a portfolio of 100 million, they may think that he is insane risking 1M on a bet.

On the other hand, if a person has a 1000$ portfolio for gambling and he bets the whole 1000$ in one bet, then it is wrong because going all in, in a single bet is too risky and it is sort of a do or die situation, where if you lose, you will end up with no money to gamble.
2780  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ODI cricket and general cricketing discussion [self - mod] on: June 04, 2023, 12:38:13 PM
Not watching a match live but placed a bet on Afghanistan anyway, odds were too good to ignore at @14.50.

Not expecting much from Afghanistan as a target is quite high, which is above par and the longer the format becomes it gets tough for a team like Afghanistan despite their t-20 bravado.

Dont know why you placed a bet on Afghanistan at the time when they need 212 runs on 150 balls with 8 wickets left. Afghanistan won the first ODI, but everyday is not Sunday. Today Srilanka came well prepared and they have given a target of 324 runs after winning the toss. The required RR is 14.5 at the moment and its not the best moment to bet on Afghanistan. But if Afghanistan win then surely you will big win. Good luck.   

Maybe he place the bet before the start of the match and tried his luck. When you get 14 Odds and you know a team has done upset before, its worth taking the risk with a small amount. I would recommend to again bet on Afghanistan for the last match and maybe they can upset and win the series this time.

In today's match, Srilanka scored above 300 runs and it was game over for the Afghanistan team. There was no way in the world that Afghanistan can chase this big total. Kusal Mendis scored 78 runs while Dimuth Karunaratne scored 52 runs. These Srilankan batsmen made sure they win and level the series.
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