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2901  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: I am pretty confident we are the new wealthy elite, gentlemen. on: May 29, 2017, 09:14:47 AM
Currently speaking, those even holding few dozens of BTC can be considered wealthy considering the value of their money quadrupled since the beginning of 2017, Perhaps few years later we be reaching the highly admired goals of $20,000 or so and bitcoin holders become the new wealthy elite.
A lot of old investors now are wealthy or rich they already made a lot of profit from their holdings or investments and most of them choose to just hold their bitcoin for a long time because they believe that the price of bitcoin can go higher again and that is why bitcoin is getting more demand because of the belief of continuous increase to its price.

I am not hodling because of the belief of continuous increase in its price. I hodl because...well, what else would I buy with my bitcoins? Certainly not dollars which have the built in functionality of losing value over time on purpose. Which everyone accepts as ok.
2902  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 28, 2017, 04:14:05 AM
look forward...
   do you see the inevitable?
GOOO now... avoid it!

Agreed. Looking forward I see a debt bubble in many nations popping.

I am avoiding it.

With bitcoins.
2903  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 28, 2017, 02:37:13 AM
mini-month long bubble return to the mean





2904  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 27, 2017, 12:20:00 PM
Hey gang, sold all at $1850. When do you think it will hit $500 again?
2905  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 27, 2017, 10:29:09 AM
This may very well be the final bubble. Previous bubbles doubled 6 times, 5 times, then 4 times, and for some reason this time it only doubled once. I was expecting 3.

The end to bubbles is a good thing though.

The "return to mean" is over $1700 which I feel is still a decent price.
2906  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 27, 2017, 07:47:03 AM
Is cryptography done?
2907  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 27, 2017, 12:41:40 AM
Lubing up for a drop below $2000 over the weekend. I has a sad about Bitcorn lately Sad

i really never see the logics of this forum...

1. yesterday i posted exactly 20 minutes before the dump, that it felt like the dump was gonna happen in matter of mins / hours.
2. i even asked for other peoples opinions about it
3. majority wanted to hung me for not following the "to the moon" thing
4. Dump happened (and the "denial" phase kicked in for most fanbois here)
 Lips sealed

Now:

second bottom hit, pretty near same levels, all signals indicate that most likely some rebound incoming with some price consolidation time... during the weekend. This looks like the most plausible scenario to me, by looking at charts.

Of course, everything can happen, it can go lower. But in the short term, and by that i mean -> "this weekend" and probably longer, i see it stable and breaking upwards.

So, if you are a noob and you are reading these, beware of all these "bitcoin going to 500$" and "these weekend will drop below 2000$". They arent the oracle, nor am i. demand for opinions with TA analysis behind also, not for crazy theories about asia demographics or for statements like "ive been here since 2010 and its always the same, it WILL go to 1600$ tomorrow so sell sell sell

jesus motherfuking crist, this place is like a southpark episode


You're crazy! Weekend crash! We're all gonna die!
2908  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 26, 2017, 11:54:17 PM
Interesting to drop by very occasionally to see who's around, gone mad, still hodling, etc. I see r0ach has flipped.

The only reason I mess with bitcoin now is to try and profit on swings.  I don't see any reason to support bitcoin ideologically since it's completely inferior to gold and silver as money and a store of value, while it's also inevitable that if bitcoin doesn't die, it will be co-opted by the state - turning it into a cashless society slave system.  I articulated all of those reasons in this post:

https://steemit.com/bitcoin/@r0achtheunsavory/the-r0ach-report-13-why-the-economics-of-bitcoin-don-t-actually-work-what-satoshi-really-meant-when-he-said-the-price-would

Bitcoin is more like a cult based on a bad economic system rather than sound money.  Yes, you can make money in the short term, but only because it's designed as a get rich quick scheme to try and force others to buy in higher.  But in the long run, it has to actually function as a store of value...and it doesn't.  The second the majority of market participants realize this, the bottom will drop out and all that money will head to the base of Exter's pyramid (gold and silver).  I prefer silver for higher upside potential.
I still don't see why YOU are posting HERE

If you don't believe in Bitcoin perhaps you should go and peddle your logic in a forum of your peers?

Posting steemit links makes him money. Crypto money.
2909  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 26, 2017, 01:21:36 PM
"Diversification is key to any long term sucessful wealth"

Good thing he did`nt take this advise 5 years ago.

I wouldn't have given him that advise 5 years ago. Only when when ONE MAIN investment (which is also of high risk) reaches to a point in which it would be somewhat lifechanging if it failed entirely. Otherwise, not that much need to diversify.

Everyone's portfolio is different. For example, I am still diversifying INTO Bitcoin.

And yes, sometimes you need to exchange potential profits for lower risks/safety to protect your wealth in the long term.


I was warned to diversify back in 2010 by old system investors.

“Diversification is protection against ignorance. It makes little sense if you know what you are doing.”

-Warren Buffett
2910  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 26, 2017, 11:19:08 AM
Just out of curiosity, how would you do that swap from Bitcoin to Gold without it being a taxable event?

Was just looking into it as a like-kind exchange (IRS section 1031). Doesn't look very promising.


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Please tell me you have backups of your cryptosteels and it is not that if they lose, destroy or otherwise take it apart you won't lose access to your bitcoins.
If someone got my cryptosteel they wouldn't be able to get the key without knowing the order I put the key in. I still get paranoid about someone getting it and figuring out my pattern. I have a few different backups.



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If I had nowhere near that amount in Bitcoins I would start diversifiying *ASAP*. Real state, gold, whatever.... but don't put all your eggs on the same basket.

Diversification is key to any long term sucessful wealth.

I will likely diversify once I settle down somewhere. Crypto is ideal for mobility. I should be able to buy some seasteading real estate/stock in the next year. I'm thinking that might be the next big investment.

What I won't do is ever let my gains be taxed. I hate funding ISIS with my tax dollars.
2911  Local / 한국어 (Korean) / Any bill payment services in Korea? on: May 26, 2017, 06:57:19 AM
I just recently moved to Korea and was wondering if there is any service available for paying Korean bills with bitcoins. Or some sort of bank transfer.
2912  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 26, 2017, 06:25:43 AM
I would like to see someone like Marcus or Elwar who is all-in on bitcoin try to debunk my hypothesis that the economics of bitcoin don't actually work in the long term in comparison to metals:

Why the economics of bitcoin don't actually work - What Satoshi really meant when he said the price would either be a lot or zero

http://steemit.com/bitcoin/@r0achtheunsavory/the-r0ach-report-13-why-the-economics-of-bitcoin-don-t-actually-work-what-satoshi-really-meant-when-he-said-the-price-would

I have discussed some of this with Steve @ SRSRocco before and he didn't seem to see any holes in it.

I don't see much problem with it (other than a perhaps over hyped paranoia of how powerful governments are at manipulating commodity prices). You prefer gold and silver. They are decent and historically fairly stable. A pretty safe investment. I do not discourage buying gold or silver. I was actually looking at some gold websites to see if that could be a "like-kind" transfer of my bitcoins if the price skyrockets in bubble fashion and I want to move out for a few months without tax implications.

However, how would I sell my gold back for bitcoins? Where would I store my gold? How can I move it to a new country?

As time has gone on I have realized that we spend a lot of money on protecting our property. We pay police, state governments, national armies to protect our property. Gold requires spending money either through taxes spent on a safe place to live where you can store your gold. It is a constant cost to keep people from taking your wealth.

Bitcoin does not have this cost. No government is required to protect my string of digits and letters. I can hold my wealth without needing a safe, home security system, local police department, national military, etc.

For some of my bitcoins I recently purchased some crypto-steel and stored some bitcoins on those. I just moved from Afghanistan to Korea spending a few weeks in Thailand, Cambodia, Vietnam and French Polynesia. By moving, that meant bringing my crypto-steel with me (not trusting it to some post office). So here I am traveling with these metal squares through various security. I spent about 15 minutes in Dubai trying to explain my crypto-steel to security (I had them wrapped in metalic tape to ensure nobody tampered with them). I finally had to unwrap one enough to show what was inside (I also had full chemical gear so that was part of the inquisition as well....long story). I ended up checking my bag in with the crypto-steel from there on out and was paranoid every minute that they were not in my possession. Every hotel I went to had to have a safe. I ended up in one hotel without a safe and I only left briefly to eat. I ended up using a bus instead of going on airplanes when I traveled due to the difficulty. Flying from Vietnam to French Polynesia I decided to keep the crypto-steel with me to avoid the worry I had before. I had to explain to a Vietnamese security guard what they were, I used pictures on my phone and was ok after 5 minutes (I was surprised when he said "oh, Bitcoin!").

If I had as much money as I have in bitcoins, in gold I would be carrying around 100lbs(may be way off) in gold from country to country. I can't imagine being mobile with gold.

For most people the cost of protecting your gold is already built into your lifestyle/taxes/home costs. For them, gold is a solid choice. Bitcoin has its place in the future economy and will be the choice for many people down the road, I don't see it as an all or nothing deal. It does not have to be.
2913  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 26, 2017, 05:01:12 AM
Any reason why Bitfinex is lower than Stamp? Did they clear up their withdrawal issues? Or are people just confident that it will be fixed?
2914  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Life on Bitcoin documentary on: May 25, 2017, 11:33:54 PM
Hey, any news about the documentary?

They had a movie that they took to a few Indy film fests. The end.
2915  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 25, 2017, 11:32:35 PM
Every dip is likely early adopters cashing out their huge stash. The more that happens the less big holders to dip the price in the future. The closer we get to most people only having around 1 bitcoin instead of a few people having thousands.
2916  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 25, 2017, 10:49:23 PM
The price holding here for a while with no big impending crash would be quite lovely.
2917  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 25, 2017, 12:08:27 PM
Actually it might be worth getting a divorce now before the price gets any higher!
Could end up giving away more in the future  Wink


Out if interest if one of us here was getting a divorce and the wife has no access to the bitcoins how would this be resolved? How would it be proved you even have any?

Mine for example does not give 2 shits about bitcoin or even the profits until she sees it in our bank account. Until then it's all make believe. Now if we got a divorce I bet suddenly bitcoin would become very interesting.

Personally I'd deny even owning bitcoin. Wtf can anyone do? .

Now I'd like to say I am happily married and have no issues here and this is totally theoretical.

And gentlemand I am mowing the lawn tonight.

If it is found out later that you lied when claiming your assets during a divorce you'll face criminal charges.
2918  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Is taxation theft? on: May 24, 2017, 10:29:46 PM
BADecker are you even aware of the benefits of a country and governments?

Benefits that someone would voluntarily pay for?

Yup and gladly.

Awesome. Sign me up for the government that is so good I would voluntarily pay for their services. And it would be so awesome that they would not need to use extortion to get you to pay.

Where is this magical fairy land?
2919  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 24, 2017, 10:23:09 PM
Is it just me or is the bitcoin actually going according to the graph of October to December graph of 2013?

At the end, we should remember what happened that time. Lips sealed

Looks more like the April/May 2013 one to me. So... double bubble $10K Bitcoin in 2018?

If that is the case expect a dip to ~$700 in the July month of your scenario.

That's exactly what I'm expecting.

But that could possibly happen in June, and a dip can be of ~$1000, in my opinion.

I saw it as well. Didn't want to say anything publicly to jinx it but you guys caught it.

October 2013 the price was $125 at the start. It doubled in a month to $250 in 2 weeks it was up to $500 a week later it doubled to $1000 then had the ATH within a few days before crashing.

So look at $1250 as our start. We have doubled in a month. Top could be as high as $12,500.
2920  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Is taxation theft? on: May 24, 2017, 10:41:01 AM
BADecker are you even aware of the benefits of a country and governments?

Benefits that someone would voluntarily pay for?
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