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2961  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Study: Everyone hates environmentalists and feminists on: October 16, 2013, 08:58:21 PM
Both these movements are artificially driven by the state. Basically an excuse for socialism; increased state power.

Not entirely state power, but yes often.
On my own and with friends, built an electric car, solar paneled my home, have a negative carbon profile.  Am american.
The government didn't do it, but they do support it.  Possibly because it reduces the impetus to spend on military to get foreign oil.

Reputedly if you factor in the military costs and foreign aid costs into our gas costs, our gas is the most expensive on the planet.

I figure that on an individual level, the easiest way to reduce the government is to obsolete them within the domain of things you can affect in your life and home, and govern ones self well.  The government "shutdown" could last forever for all that it matters to me, has no impact.  Neither did the "sequester".

I love women, but would probably consider myself a humanist more than a feminist, and not at all political.  Why be exclusive?  

I just don't think the government is generally as good at solving problems as people are.  I. Kant's advice: "Act only according to that maxim whereby you can, at the same time, will that it should become a universal law." does not presuppose that we need such laws, in fact we clearly don't if folks had good philosophical underpinnings.
2962  Bitcoin / Meetups / Re: New Hollywood Bitcoin Meetup on: October 16, 2013, 08:44:50 PM
bump
2963  Bitcoin / Meetups / Nov 5th Guy Fawkes Night on: October 16, 2013, 08:43:40 PM
Stuff is happening ... in places.
Probably near you.
Be safe
2964  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Please take this $16,600,522 before the government gets it... on: October 16, 2013, 07:14:14 PM

It may not be DPR's.  If it is, why do you feel entitled to hack at it?


See the thread title.

They have his computer, and will analyze every sector and cluster on it, erased or not.

Yes, though I suspect that will not provide much more than what they have already in this regard.

So... either you are hoping to be stealing from him (or someone else), or you are doing a favor for him (and aiding and abetting an alleged criminal), or stealing from a government?

Please don't misunderstand, I am not judging you, I am just curious.  I don't know whose wallet it is (despite circumstantial evidence), or what your thinking is on the matter.  As a puzzle to be solved, it promises to be a fun one...to think about.  Codebreaking is great fun.  It just "feels" wrong to me, personally, to act on it.  Like trespassing in a landmine sort of wrong.   But then, as much as I am not anonymous, I deeply respect the anonymity and privacy of others, as well as the boundaries of mine/not-mine.  Further, I am not at war with *anything* so I have no extra justifications for challenging my own ethical boundaries.

I do heartily wish you every good fortune, and safe travels on your adventure with this.

If no one opens it, it just reduces the total bitcoin in circulation which improves the value of all bitcoin now by 1% (and later by .5%), yes?  That seems OK to me too.
2965  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker - Hardcore on: October 16, 2013, 06:37:05 PM
this is nothing. the real fun is coming this evening.

Why do people even post this garbage? Its not funny, informative, or interesting. Every time something happens, some loser posts this same shit. Fuck you.

This could pretty much apply to every post in this thread tho.

wait... but it is evening for me...

But not yet China Daytime
2966  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The NEXT generation of Physical Bitcoins... on: October 16, 2013, 05:36:57 PM

Not to mention it's illegal to distribute your own currency in most countries

In what country is it illegal to distribute privately minted precious metals containing writings?
and
In what country is it illegal to distribute your own currency?

I think he (or she) may be referring to the laws in some countries regarding creating virtual currencies that are exchanged for real goods.  I'm just guessing at the objection though.  China for example has limitations that were put in place after QQcoin became so popular there.  I seem to recall Germany having some regulations regarding companies/websites that offer digital credits that are redeemed for real goods.

Wopwop, if you could be more specific I'd be happy to do some more research.  I'm fortunate enough to have a lot of legal resources and counsel at my disposal.  If there are laws to the effect that you're suggesting, I think most physical bitcoin makers are going to be in violation since many governments are now recognizing bitcoin as currency.


Sure, China...
http://blogs.wsj.com/chinarealtime/2009/06/29/china-cracks-down-on-virtual-currency-for-real/
But not even there are either of the activities I listed illegal.

Tencent still distributes its own currency, QQcoin.  It is perfectly legal to do so, in China and everywhere else.
Its a pet peeve, I don't mean to derail your thread.  These phantom laws and imaginary government FUDs get annoying.  It is getting so that some people expect everything to be illegal.  When that happens, their respect for law tends to fail altogether because they can't tell the difference, and worse they have lost track of what ought to be illegal and what ought not be illegal and why.
2967  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Please take this $16,600,522 before the government gets it... on: October 16, 2013, 02:20:59 PM
Brute force won't work.

His roommates reported...
Ulbricht was more often seen curled up in a living roof sofa reading—possibly sci-fi novels from the local library–when not at his computer.

and he was arrested in the tiny science fiction section of the Glen Park (SF) library.

private key is based on text from
http://www.freewebs.com/yotopia2/Heinlein-Stranger-In-A-Strange-Land.pdf


alright, let's assume this is correct and he did in fact use a brainwallet:

address is: 1933...

so I tried page 19 paragraph 33 - nothing

I went to page 9, that's the start of chapter III

but nothing :<

Cheesy

1933 could be a year... something happen in 1933 in the book?

Hunting a wild goose is sort of fun, but I am reticent on the matter.  This really looks like a cloud-sourced theft attempt, and so not meriting my code-breaking chops.
That aside, I'd doubt the address is a firstbits address.
1933 was the year that Heinlein contracted Tubercluosis, causing him to retire from the Navy.
It isn't really a significant year in his novels, I've read most:


But if I were looking for a code for it, and was assuming it to be DPR's, June and July 2011 would be the time to think about, not the time near the arrest.

It may not be DPR's.  If it is, why do you feel entitled to hack at it?
Freeing the bitcoins from this wallet may cause you more harm than enrichment.
Oh ye with breath within yer chest.   Touch not, the cursed coins!
2968  Economy / Economics / Re: Re-visit the question: What is bitcoin's value backed by? on: October 16, 2013, 01:36:48 PM
Trust, greed and also economic stability. If USD is stable and safe, the value of Bitcoin should drop...

I suspect the majority of people using Bitcoin never see a USD.

I suspect you're wrong Sad



Is your chart showing a measurement of something?
Amount of trades, or numbers of people, or something else?
Does it have something to do with Bitcoin?

Its pretty though.  I like the color gold.

"I suspect the majority of people using Bitcoin never see a USD."
(I suspect the number of humans using Bitcoin in the USA is << %50 of humans using Bitcoin.)
2969  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The NEXT generation of Physical Bitcoins... on: October 16, 2013, 01:34:12 PM

Not to mention it's illegal to distribute your own currency in most countries

In what country is it illegal to distribute privately minted precious metals containing writings?
and
In what country is it illegal to distribute your own currency?
2970  Economy / Goods / Re: Selling CUBAN CIGARS Full Boxes and Individual Cigars w/SERIAL # all intact on: October 16, 2013, 05:57:34 AM
Thanks for the applications for the cigar sampler valued at $74 CAD of a couple of my favorite cigars.

I have chosen NewLiberty as the recipient. NewLiberty, I have PM'd you.



Wow, I never win anything, this is a first.  This is very exciting!  They sound amazing.
2971  Economy / Economics / Re: Invest in Bitcoin, Gold or Silver? on: October 16, 2013, 05:12:09 AM
Bitcoin - 30%
Silver - 50%
Gold - 20%

This is good. I would follow that if I were just starting out

Not bad.

Gold is heavily manipulated market.
Jim Rickards pretty much nails it here:
https://www.goldbroker.com/news/interview-james-rickards-about-central-bank-manipulation-gold-silver-markets-346.html

The ETF is being used to drive price down - possibly so that the shipments to the sovereign funds can be managed, as it seems to have started contemporaneously with those demands.
2972  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker - Hardcore on: October 15, 2013, 11:06:59 PM

How so? People were touting their horns about it the whole time, and now suddenly as it appears to be happening it's supposed to be not?
Of course lobbyists are onto Bitcoin, the whole gox situation wouldn't be there if they weren't.

I think this article is a pretty consistent explanation of current affairs.

I haven't seen a single government that is hostile against Bitcoin.

True, they just want the vig.
2973  Economy / Collectibles / Re: A new 2-sided Bitcoin Keychain on: October 15, 2013, 09:36:28 PM
Yay!
I got it, and the letter where it was in has some awesome things on it, like stamps, customs things and handwrote my name and addres, I luv fair buisness!

BTW, it is awesome, now I got something to brag about...
Glad to hear it. Do you want to mention which store you bought it from, since it sounds like they should get some credit for the extras included in your shipment? There's more than one seller of these keychains, so I have no clue who you purchased from.
It was the EU shop, it wasn't anything extra, but I really like the poststamps and hand writing and customs things, becouse we don't have shit like that no more in the NL, if you know what I mean, this envelope is a keeper.

I don't kjnow if you did that but the thing was packed in bubbelwrap and foam, pretty good job right there!

Sometimes this gets overdone.  There was this one order of private minted coppers that came back from China individually wrapped....in paper... by hand...
(its better when they just aren't touched)
2974  Economy / Economics / Re: Re-visit the question: What is bitcoin's value backed by? on: October 15, 2013, 09:31:51 PM
Trust, greed and also economic stability. If USD is stable and safe, the value of Bitcoin should drop...

I suspect the majority of people using Bitcoin never see a USD.
2975  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: October 15, 2013, 09:23:30 PM
Can we get back on topic? Gold is recovering in Asia this morning...

weird. Bitcoin is still going up.


weird so bitcoin, gold and silver all going up?

Or what you are using to measure them is going down...
2976  Economy / Economics / Re: Invest in Bitcoin, Gold or Silver? on: October 15, 2013, 03:21:39 PM
Not only do we refine and mint silver and gold bitcoin specie, we gladly accept bitcoin and can vault or deliver fine precious metal bitcoin pieces.  Check the links in the tag or send a pm and I'll happily answer any questions on this.

Bullionvault is a decent company, and you should do your research on them.  There are better deals, there are more solid enterprises, and no they don't yet take bitcoin (we are encouraging them to do so) but they do a pretty good business. 
If you want a Bitcoin specialist, who focuses not on government produced precious metal mintings but on private minting using designs sourced from the Bitcoin community (and very notably these pages of BitcoinTalk), you will find us to be your choice.
2977  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: October 15, 2013, 01:19:56 PM
That would be quite nice, how and when do you imagine this will occur?  Or is this unbreakablility only with regard to network outages and not to the array of other existential threats to the protocol?

Yes, network connectivity with no catastrophic events, including breakage of the crypto through any means. That would be solved by other methods, but there is enough flexibility to accommodate rapid updates.

Widespread proliferation expected within three years, regardless of which project takes the lead; who builds out doesn't matter, only that it happens. With numerous competing projects, some will undoubtedly be more prominent than others in certain areas.

Nice, at that point the existential threat scenarios may be limited to things like a major government using imminent domain over a leading chip fab company (Intel/TI/Samsung) and making them produce copious 14nm ASICs for use in a government takeover of the mining, smaller efforts would be doomed.  This is so unlikely and would expose too much weakness in the perception of the world that I don't see it as meaningful.
2978  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The NEXT generation of Physical Bitcoins... on: October 15, 2013, 12:56:39 PM
Have you devised a defense against the solvent attack, demonstrated at this summer's DefCon?
http://codinginmysleep.com/casascius-physical-bitcoins-cracked-at-defcon/

2-factor authentication is built in.  You can't redeem a coin without also having access to an email address that the coin is registered to.  A new owner can immediately change that registration info and protect the coin's value from being swept by someone that previously owned the coin.

You might seriously consider discussing this model with legal so that it can be cleared of money transmission issues.  If you are holding the value and it is transferred from person to person, there could be some questions raised, being that you are in the US.
I am not saying that it is illegal or wrong.  It is pretty cool actually, but just a word to the wise... cya with your legal counsel.  Even if it is perfectly legal, it is good to have a legal defense fund ready and a lawyer that knows the facts and the law ahead of issues being raised.  If nothing else, set aside a portion of profit in a custodial fund for when you get around to this.

BTW, this is a nice looking piece, we should talk.  Smiley

I've dug pretty deep and we're definitely a MSB as long as we accept dollars.  It's a fine point of distinction but, We can't really say that we make it easy for people to get started with bitcoins without letting them pay in their currency of choice.  We're already planning through the process of registration and compliance.  I appreciate your concern and its right on, but that's part of the project.

Thanks very much for the compliment.  We have 3 more designs on the way soon for the half, quarter and 0.1 bitcoin denominations.  Stay tuned. 

This is great, Very happy to hear it.  The selling of the pieces may be less of an issue (even if it turns out that US want those to be MSB) than the custodial relationship during transmission/reregistration and the MTB risks (which have much higher AML requirements).  This is a great innovation, and looks to be first of its kind, and I want you guys to be around for decades to come. 
2979  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Please take this $16,600,522 before the government gets it... on: October 15, 2013, 12:44:03 PM
Brute force won't work.

His roommates reported...
Ulbricht was more often seen curled up in a living roof sofa reading—possibly sci-fi novels from the local library–when not at his computer.

and he was arrested in the tiny science fiction section of the Glen Park (SF) library.

private key is based on text from
http://www.freewebs.com/yotopia2/Heinlein-Stranger-In-A-Strange-Land.pdf


alright, let's assume this is correct and he did in fact use a brainwallet:

address is: 1933...

so I tried page 19 paragraph 33 - nothing

I went to page 9, that's the start of chapter III

but nothing :<

Cheesy

Different editions, different printings, different words...  How many are there for the classic Heinlein SiaSL?
Even if it is lost pirate treasure...
2980  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The NEXT generation of Physical Bitcoins... on: October 15, 2013, 04:31:06 AM
Have you devised a defense against the solvent attack, demonstrated at this summer's DefCon?
http://codinginmysleep.com/casascius-physical-bitcoins-cracked-at-defcon/

2-factor authentication is built in.  You can't redeem a coin without also having access to an email address that the coin is registered to.  A new owner can immediately change that registration info and protect the coin's value from being swept by someone that previously owned the coin.

You might seriously consider discussing this model with legal so that it can be cleared of money transmission issues.  If you are holding the value and it is transferred from person to person, there could be some questions raised, being that you are in the US.
I am not saying that it is illegal or wrong.  It is pretty cool actually, but just a word to the wise... cya with your legal counsel.  Even if it is perfectly legal, it is good to have a legal defense fund ready and a lawyer that knows the facts and the law ahead of issues being raised.  If nothing else, set aside a portion of profit in a custodial fund for when you get around to this.

BTW, this is a nice looking piece, we should talk.  Smiley
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