Nothing... I was referring to and correcting Elden as to his BS about how BFL isn't using a full custom ASIC and pointing out that just about everything he says about BFL turns out to be wrong, so people should be wary about what he says with regards to clock buffers, as it's clear he's either got an agenda or doesn't know what he's talking about (or both).
Good luck with this and your custom material QFN packaging, at this point I personally seriously doubt you'll be able to ship on time. |
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Hmmm..... I think doing business in this region for over 25 years, gives me just a little perspective on the business practices of the Pearl Delta.
But perhaps brush up a little 武經七書... because I got what I needed faster than I expected.
I think you have no sense of humility after doing business for 25 years in these regions that you lost the ability to talk to another person like a regular human being. I had no intention to hide who these people were, I simply uploaded the picture from my phone on-the-go and now had the chance to do a proper follow up, not to mention many of these faces are not new and often seen in public involving bitcoin. It would be much appreciated in the future, especially when directing questions at me. Brush up on how to be a gentleman, remove any trace of prejudice and cynicism you have obtained from a past that has nothing to do with me. |
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Seriously NO ONE goes to Macau for a business meeting, other than the wrong sort of people.
I suppose by your cynic logic, and prejudice attitude (in order from left to right, and bottom to top) Ira from BitInstant, Thomas from NEFT vodka, Roger from memeorydealers, Eric from BitInstant, Kelvin from http://bitcoins.co.kr/, ME, and Charlie from Bitinstant is the wrong sort of people. |
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I think the demonstration event has been mentioned at the first (around late Sep. ?). but please let Yifu to re-explain it later, he is at the meeting in Macau
 (in order from left to right, and bottom to top) Ira from BitInstant, Thomas from NEFT vodka, Roger from memeorydealers, Eric from BitInstant, Kelvin from http://bitcoins.co.kr/, ME, and Charlie from Bitinstant and Bill from Calvin Ayre. Back to work mode after Dec 2nd. Yes, everything is going smoothly |
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Can we move on to a conversation that has less angry, meaningless bickering.
Sure. So far every asic biz is off track except avalon. They get another month until we can flame them. Yes yes, Maybe I'll announce we ship December 1 st, Then push it back to Jan 14 th and use the argument LOOK! we are still less delayed than the competition! But, I will not. p.s. Our promised shipping deadline for all 300 units is actually End of Feb, 2013 mostly due to unavoidable Chinese New Year. The current plan is to ship all 300 before Chinese New Year starts, however a small portion may not make it, but will be finished shipping before Feb ends. So if you want to flame, you may have to wait until then  |
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No delays to see here.
To offer some more detail on the next update, we wish to address the uncertainty the community's been having about if the ASICs are even real, mostly due to our competition failing to meet the deadlines. Recently it has been happening more often in which I had to defend the Avalon image from general statements on ASICs are delayed again and other false accusations.
In this light, we have contacted our foundry, TSMC and Fujitsu who is handling our chip packaging to provide a copy of our original contracts with them to produce the Avalon ASICs. We hope this will provide some comfort and trust with our potential customers.
Again, the reason we do not wish to release pictures such as our board design and such is purely for competitive reasons, especially now that we known bASIC has yet to complete their board.
Our demonstration is still scheduled to happen around the end of the year, then soon 1-2 weeks after the demo, Shipping will begin.
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These fucking companies.. This pisses me off, this is why I despise ASICs
No companies should have power over the mining landscape whose sole market is miners themselves. Fuck this shit!
They are all BS. ASICs will keep getting pushed back n back.... just watch. Probably will be 2014 before they finally make it out and not blowing peoples houses up or something stupid.
Please do not group Avalon with the rest, If you have been reading our thread, we have only moved ahead release dates and not delay / pushed them back. |
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Any idea of when the next email update (#5) may occur?
Soon as in probably within the next week. we want to address some of the uncertainty when it comes to ASICs. |
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Addressing the recent bASIC 33% performance increase and shipping delays: For long we at Avalon have predicted the possibility of a price/hash war happening due to competition; after all, we fired the first shot by announce our device at 50% performance increase than the rest of the field initially. If 2 of your main competitors, BFL and bASIC, are both far enough along into the process of getting ASICs into customers hands as they say they are, then what are your concerns about publicizing this information? It's too late in the game for them to really steal any ideas from you, isn't it?
If, then indeed. They are scheduled to ship before us anyways, I am fortunately enough to have the option to wait and see. See, this is exactly what I'm talking about, now bASIC has announced they are increasing the chip count on the board, and there is possibility the engineers have to redesign their board, so are they really far along the process? Like I previously mentioned, I am fortunately enough to have the option to wait and see. Disregard, this information no longer apply. To provide a better explanation, we used a modular design so the number of chips on the Unit is not yet final, we are still playing around the numbers to get the best power consumption vs. hash-rate.
I have also previously mentioned due to the nature of our unit design and the fact we are due to ship after our competitors, we have time to play around with our numbers. In fact, I particularly scheduled for if something like this to happen, we still have time and can ship without delays. and Lastly, the following still holds true. It sounds like you have a number of undisclosed features, correct?
This is correct. |
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Josh has stated on BFL forums that the chips in the pics were non-functional dummy chips.
According to Josh, they had some sort of issue with refraction on their first mask set. Source? I apologize if this was common knowledge, I was under the impression they were functional. |
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Would it be possible to get a pic or render of what the device is going to look like? Don't need anything fancy or details of the internals. Just how it looks on the outside so I can plan decorating my office with them  It's a metal box! 375 x 375 x 150mm like I mentioned in a earlier reply As for color and finish, we may do a vote in 1-2 weeks and let the community decide. Oddities like power consumption figures?
Not exactly, I've previously stated in the AMA month ago, their numbers are achievable, I have no reason to doubt them. I simply dislike their marketing approach of reporting the numbers in the "best-possible" scenario as oppose to giving conservative estimates and work their way down via process of elimination and testing.
I must say, the following criticism is purely my personal opinion, and often at times I feel it is not my place as a competitor representative to point these things out as they will not be presented as intended. although in this case I'm sure others with knowledge of IC design will agree with the following musings.
bASIC had mentioned how they have the ASIC(chips) but do not have the PCB. This is very odd to me, in IC design cycles, a Tapeout takes about 1~2 month, and during this time you can't do anything besides waiting for the foundry, usually you do everything else you can to get rest of the hardware ready so when you receive your chips you can finish your product immediately. Sure there maybe possible delays but bASIC has stated they have had the chips for quiet some time, how can PCB take so long? BFL shows pictures of board, that seem is completed but won't do demonstrations, or invite Kano / Yochdog to the in house viewing If you have everything why wouldn't you show off a working product, it is easiest way to convince the public and and future potential buyers. Does it mean it didn't work? Recently I also found out BFL had at least 1 revision of the chip. This raised a red flag right away, it means they had to either perform Metal Fix a, Gate Fix, or even worst a RTL Fix. This also means that there was a problem with the previous revision, and since BFL have yet to receive the new chips. We may never know if those chips on the pictures even worked. This is why I said how can one be satisfied with something they don't even understand what they are looking at. |
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Takes like 20 minutes to take some good pictures, and provides people with days/weeks of things to talk about, drool over, and be satisfied with. I suppose in a perfect world everyone would both have the hype and high energy to throw thousands of dollars into an unknown pit, but also the calm and patience to not need any kind of reassurance that they didn't get ripped to kingdom come, but let's just deal with things as they are yes?
How can one be satisfied with something they don't even understand what they are looking at? I am personally being some what cautious of my competition because few oddities they have demonstrated... |
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Hi I just visit the web and I click in BUY NOW
There are no products matching the selection.
The first batch sold out very quickly awhile back, but as people doesn't pay up on time, the website is restocked. also in the future please use this thread instead https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=120184.0 |
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If 2 of your main competitors, BFL and bASIC, are both far enough along into the process of getting ASICs into customers hands as they say they are, then what are your concerns about publicizing this information? It's too late in the game for them to really steal any ideas from you, isn't it?
If, then indeed. They are scheduled to ship before us anyways, I am fortunately enough to have the option to wait and see. |
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It sounds like you have a number of undisclosed features, correct?
This is correct. Can you start a thread where we can make feature requests for the second/third generation Avalon device? (or would you prefer private feature requests by email?)
You are welcome to put suggestions into this thread, PM me on the forum or send me a email. It is your choice to decide the delivery method for your own content. |
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No pics of the actual devices?
It is currently not in our favor to release this information. What is a [reasonable] timeframe for a render and an actual picture of the Avalon Device? This isn't a matter that is limited by time. Rather we do not wish to reveal our cards so early because we believe we have truly designed a unique ASIC that's very different from BFL and bASIC. After BFL and Tom starts demoing their devices and perhaps even started to ship them, In other words: Once the competition has demonstrated their device is finished and final, then we will release our information. Unless of course they push their release date back even further, then I think it is safe to say everything shall be revealed before this year ends. |
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No pics of the actual devices?
It is currently not in our favor to release this information. |
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Does this mean it is encased in plastic or will the chip be covered with a metal heat spreader?
What are the viable ambient operating temperatures for the Avalon ASIC? (32F > 105F?)
Are you talking about the Atheros AR7240? or the ASIC? I'll assume it is the ASIC in question. I have already released packaging information we'll be using QFN, so yes it is plastic. The current ASIC is designed to operate at ambient temperature of 40C. There will be heat-sinks on both side of the PCB. the unit also designed to create a wind-tunnel like effect for air flow, I'll provide more detail once that test finishes. |
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Frizz, just wondering, which horse are you backing in this race?
BFL (first), bASIC (a lil later) and Avalon (not in first batch though). Once one is able to deliver I'll cancel the other two.  There has only been one batch of Avalon so far. Scheduled to ship at Jan 14th. |
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