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301  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: What now? on: June 03, 2014, 03:26:48 PM
What now?  Be happy that you got so much in such a messed up scene? I think that’s a good start. 10 BTC isn’t chumps change you know? Sure it could be more, but let’s be honest, it could also be much less or even in the negative.

That said, I think the obfuscation in this scene will continue for a while so there’s likely to be more opportunity for early cash-ins for a while.
302  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Apple Approves Bitcoin Wallets on: June 03, 2014, 03:17:30 PM
Here's what will happen:

1. Apple will release the 100% pre-mined iCoin to work with their iBeacon shit. And mindless Joes will bend over and love it - even praise Apple for their fantastic innovation.

2. Google will wake up and get behind bitcoin.

3. A bloody fight to the death.
I'd be up for this battle. Sounds like it'd be quite fun. Clash of two titans ushering a new wave of cryptocurrency use and providing the much needed backing and interest to make cryptocurrencies significantly more viable.

Sure there are business and technology advancement impacts, but I still feel it'd be worthwhile.
303  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Divorce's new weapon on: June 03, 2014, 03:08:05 PM
Bank records? If you take a bit out over time and put it in bitcoins nobody will know if you're smart about it. And ATMs are not the only place to buy coins.

And Bitcoin works in the respect that you can keep the money safe and anonymous. There's no IRS audit nor can anyone sieze the funds by force.
But a lot of the time, relationships deteriorate very quickly; so it's hard to slowly siphon away money. And the more money that is moved quickly, the harder it can be to obfuscate all those tracks. Also, the amount owed is not necessarily based on traceable assets but also by income (and sometimes by backlogged income) which adds to the trickiness.

Anyhow, the quick and easy solution naturally is to just get a pre-nup.
304  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Need volunteers to get big chain Grocery stores in America to accept bitcoin on: June 03, 2014, 02:48:24 PM
It would be better to target the companies which make their PoS and self check out systems. If those systems dont support it, then the grocery store will likely never accept it due to the overhead of manually processing a transaction. This also has the upside of having other retailers which use those PoS systems, being able to accept bitcoin.
I agree, the infrastructure needs to exist first to allow retailers and grocers to quickly and seamlessly transact with Bitcoin. And the best place to get that done is through the Point of Sale systems used.

As it stands now, it's only "convenient" for smaller businesses because the amount of overhaul that has to be done is fairly minimal when compared to all the Logistics of rolling it out in retail.
305  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Stay at day job (work or school) if suddenly filthy rich from Bitcoin? on: June 02, 2014, 07:40:30 PM
If I became "filthy rich" from Bitcoin, I'd definitely leave my job. But I would probably let it be a long transitional period while I figured out what the heck to do with the rest of my life.
306  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: NobleCoin[NOBL] - **NOBL/$USD@VoS**MARKETPLACE/BULLION**50 CHARITIES/MERCHANTS** on: May 29, 2014, 03:17:10 PM
Frankly, Noblecoin is in quite the precarious situation. Unlike a lot of coins with “low” network hashrates, Noblecoin actually has a lot of infrastructure. It sounds like it is time to further the security of the network, but it’s a tricky thing because you can’t really trust a lot of the things in this scene. One of the biggest issues is how to entrust mining security to random miners who are usually in this for profit. With the advent of ASICs, it’ll keep being harder and harder unless there are key supporters that can carry the “burden” of mining (after all, one farm of ASICs can easily cause a lot of issues). There are so many other intricacies with regards to this situation, but the path forward is quite unclear. However, once you decide on the path forward regarding solving this security issue, it’s paramount that the team and the community stick with it.

As a note (assuming you haven’t already done so; after all, the team usually seems to be on top of things), you may want to look at how Terracoin (TRC) dealt with the ASIC issue when SHA-256 ASICs (i.e. Avalons) first started coming out. Although, the issue was for something quite different (abuse of the highly adaptive difficulty algorithm), they took steps to further their network security while maintaining their listing on BTC-e with minimal impact in the long run. The team might be able to glean something worthwhile by looking at TRC as a case study.
307  Economy / Speculation / Re: Speculate High price on 3 June and win xPredict Free 10 day trial on: May 28, 2014, 07:06:09 PM
$750
308  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: The Great Cryptocurrency challenge. on: May 22, 2014, 07:54:50 PM

Incorrect , for every seller there has to be a buyer and every buyer a seller .

The only way anyone could price manipulate is by being able to Deny the market access to the entity.

Not if the buyer and seller is the same person. Expounding on BugSpirit's post, the person would also need to have a viable equivalent of funding on the opposite end of the market (i.e. buys). Providing enough funding would essentially create a pressure that is the equivalent of a sold collar. Of course though, depending on the market cap, this could easily grow to unrealistic values (but theoretically any coin, or stock for that, is susceptible to this).
309  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Belgium Bans Virtual Derivatives on: May 22, 2014, 05:41:16 PM
Clearly the Belgian government wants to straddle their citizens by not allowing them to straddle Bitcoins...
310  Economy / Speculation / Re: Rise Bitches. on: May 22, 2014, 05:27:46 PM
If you have to pay these bills, maybe you should cash out some to mitigate the risk of it not rising any further. But this is the first “major” action that has been seen in a while so there are good chances that it can go up a bit more. Whether or not we are in another run-up, that’s a completely different matter. I’m personally not convinced.
311  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: NobleCoin[NOBL] - **NOBL/$USD@VoS**MARKETPLACE/BULLION**50 CHARITIES/MERCHANTS** on: May 22, 2014, 03:10:10 PM


I agree. People love giveaways and it helps make a coin popular in the beginning, but that's only to dump and make an easy buck, doesn't help long term. Why I've always been a fan of PoW over PoS is it gives some cost/value to the coin you've got. Staggered marketplace deals have been one idea (of many) we are considering, for example the longer you hold, the higher the marketplace deal for that coin goes in a predetermined pattern before it returns to a more stable and sustainable level. Obviously this would promote a bubble, but it would also encourage speculation, holding, volume and more people buying to get into the deals. If the value then drops on people selling for deals, counterbalances are in place for the deal to begin the cycle again and promote a new round of buying, volume and speculation. People will hold for that next round or sell depending on their outlook. Of course this is in some ways considered manipulation, but if it's open and transparent marketplace deals then it's no different to any shop encouraging purchasing through promotion. We are also planning a long-term 'investment' coin that has a fixed minimum rate of purchase on the marketplace. This however will require more work, trust and capital to start with.


I'm one of those people who love giveaways, as being originally a guppy-sized trader (started with $38 btc), the giveaways gave me a stake... which now means I have grown into, umm... I guess a regular fish sized trader (15-20 btc)?

But I never view giveaways as something purely to dump, even from the beginning. If the devs support the coin and I think it has a future, I'd hold or more likely sell, and buy back in later. Yet very few (not sure any) of the current giveaway coins seem to have active devs nor anything especially unique about their coins. Unfortunately many can't even wait at all with giveaways, and it's like... gimme coins... sell coins... in one motion. I'm also biased towards POS, as I don't mine, but yeah, POW does give a cost/value to a coin. It always felt like an artificial value to me though. I remember that Air coin pricing itself based on miner rewards, and I always wondered who cares if a coin makes itself difficult to mine... that shouldn't really mean the coin itself it worth more than it should. However, many people may not think that same way (and especially not miners).

An idea I thought could work for Noble was a form of POS, but not in coins, but in marketplace discounts, which is more or less what you just suggested.  I think I even mentioned the idea upon the noble forum once upon a time. Such as hold a coin for a month, you get an extra 1% discount tacked onto your account... another month, another 1%, and so on. Cap it at a certain amount, just so people actually buy something eventually. Yet I guess there is only so much of a discount you can offer before you'd go broke.

I have a quick thought regarding giveaways to help mitigate the whole quick dump issue (this could also be applied to the linked coins that are given based on the amount of NOBL someone holds); and it kinda aligns with the ideas already hashed out. You could approach the distribution of coins as an increasing annuity (and possibly link the rate of increase to the amount of supply you want out versus the amount of mintage). Although, I’m not sure how the staking and claiming implementation would work out in this case. If you would like more clarification on the math on how this would work, please let me know.
312  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: POLL: How die hard are you? on: May 21, 2014, 10:31:38 PM
If all of those things are happening, then things have frankly gotten out of hand.

With the double-spend issue, unless it's reconciled in some fashion, it's hard to make a case for continuing on.

As for the prison issue, the moment that owning BTC becomes a more severe crime than killing a family of 5 due to intoxication, something is terribly wrong with the system and likely all hell has broken loose.

Admittedly, the death of Satoshi shouldn't factor too much into the decision. After all, like I said the prison thing kinda implies a canon of zeal and possibly anarchy.
313  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: NobleCoin[NOBL] - **NOBL/$USD@VoS**MARKETPLACE/BULLION**50 CHARITIES/MERCHANTS** on: May 21, 2014, 09:19:18 PM
I would like to thank the sellers for allowing me to buy back half the coins I lost in coinex Cheesy

Now if only that coinex turd would get online and give me my noble back.

Agreed. I just put in a buy wall @ 22 for 22 Mill. Good luck selling through that Wink

I just put a mini-wall before you  Tongue

0.00000023   5176973.53534920   1.19070391
Ha, if someone sells into both walls, that'd be something. Plus you'd be getting an awesome amount of coins on the cheap. Having that many coins, just imagine how awesome that'd be in a year!
314  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: NobleCoin[NOBL] - **NOBL/$USD@VoS**MARKETPLACE/BULLION**50 CHARITIES/MERCHANTS** on: May 21, 2014, 09:14:17 PM


Discussion is always good and should not be confused with attacking someone. I like that you are into that! Smiley

I also like the idea of merge mining too. It can create massive exposure to miners currently only mining LTC, never hearing of other coins except the ones on btc-e.

Downside is that current pools have nothing anymore after the merge. The hashrate would simply be too low.

It might create more individuals selling, as they got it for "free" while mining for instance LTC, but a lot will hold as well. As there are more individuals with a small amount of coins, they can do less harm to the market than few individuals holding large amounts.


i wouldn't say that the normal pools have nothing to offer... (to be honest i personally love the layout of the charityminingpool site). especially in the case of Noble, mainly the charity pools... which i do recommend by the way. also the normal pools would still have a place for new and beginner miners. just some of my thoughts.

as far as the selling... i thought that that is a good thing, creating circulation. and in total volume not large lump sums. it could do much for many coins.

a thought... if merge mining gains a stronger footing, could the normal pools begin to offer incentives? like frequent flier points?

also i'm not sure if all algos are compatible with merge mining, so there is that, and new algos are coming out every month, just most of them are not utilized ( from my understanding)
I’m glad you enjoy the back and forth discussion. I enjoy it quite a bit too!

Merged mining is tricky because it functions as a double-edged sword in a way. Merged mining brings in the all so valuable boon of network security (at least in the perspective of a single hashing algorithm) at the cost of financial dilution due to the relative lack of “competition.” The way the various markets work, it’s kinda like watching a weird combination of ForEx and Stock Market trading (although the level of financial sophistication is not quite the same). Part of me strongly believes that it’s the competition (whether or not they are in same hashing space), that drive a lot of the price at times; although I can’t prove this is the case since there aren’t too many merged mined coins. The other issue is how many chains would be reasonable to merge mine with? That inherently brings the question of which coins should get to merge mine and what the parent chain is (although, it’s likely going to be Litecoin).

That said, I still like the prospect of merged mining Noblecoin down the road, even it is means a hit due to dilution. I think the infrastructure that has already been built and continues to be built around Noblecoin will go very far in negating the effects that would likely come with merged mining.

Speaking of dilution, as noted, the spread of coins would also be diluted. This actually can act as a financial boon since it would generally cause an influx of market activity for various reasons (making gains from “free” coins being one of the primary impetuses; whether that means going long or short is another story), and the well-established infrastructure would actually help foster the market impact in the right direction. Dilution also, as noted, provides further awareness to proponents of the parent chain which can generally be looked at positively.

Regarding which algorithm to merge mine on, the idea of sticking to a chain with a lot of POW (i.e. sCrypt in this case) is usually a good idea, especially with the added security benefit of ASICs (we could get into all of the financial implications of them, but that’s a whole other can of worms). I like the idea of pool loyalty (especially when merged mining occurs), as long as the threats of 51% can be reconciled.
315  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Gartman: I'm avoiding Bitcoin like the plague. on: May 21, 2014, 08:33:26 PM
Since he is avoiding it like the plague, does that mean he is avoiding it unsuccessfully and that all of his attempts is just a try to get more coins for cheap before the next run-up? Maybe, he’s speaking in code and telling all of his drug overlord friends of the next step.

I know he’s like every other mouthy business spokesperson (i.e. stupid, ill-informed, and incapable of critical thought), but heck it’s fun to make up hidden meaning out of nothing.
316  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Coinotron can possibly do 51% attack on Litecoin on: May 21, 2014, 06:32:16 PM
Coinotron are asking miners to leave to fix the 51% threat. Ghash had a similar situation a few months ago as well. Saw this on Reddit:
"Due to the Litecoin hashrate increase on the Coinotron mining pool, the cryptocurrency silver is now under the 51% threat.
Ghash.IO mining pool welcomes all the Litecoin miners to join our pool with the 0% pool fee and enjoy unique advantage of shared credentials with CEX.IO Bitcoin Crypto Exchange.

We encourage media resources and Litecoin adherents to help us in spreading the following message and save Litecoin together.”

link?




Coinotron did NOT ASK anyone to leave.

Ghash.IO is just trying to get miners to move to their pool.



Heck, it's a great attempt with pushing a site. Nothing like nuanced promotion huh? (I'll be honest it gave me a chuckle.)

It would be nice though if pool operators provided responsible requests for people to mine on another reputable pool (but then you get into the whole thing about possible collusion and so forth).
317  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: NobleCoin[NOBL] - **NOBL/$USD@VoS**MARKETPLACE/BULLION**50 CHARITIES/MERCHANTS** on: May 21, 2014, 05:05:47 PM

looking at the chart on mintpal, i still think it is an intentional push down of the price, there are plenty of coins out there that are trying to copy and past the things that have been done here, including the 1 block recalculation ( a number of them are now advertising that), charity, marketplaces, gold and silver, etc. that is not to say that it is a dev team, more likely an over zelous mining participant, if it is intentional. but look at the charts on mintpal and it begins to look intentional, i don't know the reason for it, maybe to push it down for a big buy, dumping accumulated coins that were acquired during asic testing ( which is looking less and less likely), or some nefarious action being carried out by some disturbed zealot, market fluctuations as a result of BTC value increasing ( but last time BTC was over 700 Noble has hovering between 72 and 92), or who knows. i'm just looking at the charts and something just looks off.

but the best " evidence" for the asic testing theory is the fact that our network hashrate regularly jumps from the 600 mhs range to 1.5 ghs range. yes it is possible that it is a multipool that is not controlled by a computer program. but this happens whether the price is going up ( which you would expect) or down ( not as expected). which is why in this context i would say testing is a more plausible reason. we are also small enough that the 'testing' wouldn't effect the market ( overall crypto scene) to  too high of a degree.

I'm inclined to think it is the various multipools that cause this network variation; ASIC testing would push it up much much higher than that (especially since KNC would be in the mix of this round of ASICs). Knowing how the tape out process works, if ASICs were testing the markets hashrate spikes would be much higher than that. Since you would have to batch a non-trivial amount at a time, the amount of push would easily number in the 20-30 GH/s range.

As for markets, one of the things to note is that if the BTC market is actually turning into a sustained bull market again, then a lot of things are ready to change again. After all, Noblecoin has only existed in a BTC bear market thus far.
318  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: NobleCoin[NOBL] - **NOBL/$USD@VoS**MARKETPLACE/BULLION**50 CHARITIES/MERCHANTS** on: May 21, 2014, 04:48:11 PM
Any serious problem for NOBL coin ?
I cannot understand why the price comming down......now 31 on mintpal, 29 polo......
BTC is rising, many sell alts to bank on the rise.

It makes no sense at long as you're not converting to fiat...
You hold 1000 coins worth 1btc.
If the rate between alt/btc doesn't change then you will gain in usd terms just as much , without converting.

Furthermore , most of the times when btc spikes a bit the lats follow the trend.

Back to noble , I have no idea why a coin like this is dropping.
Probably it's best to just hodl and do our best.

Frankly, a lot people are converting to fiat and this is impacting a lot of the alt-currencies out there.

Regarding what you said, I think a little bit more elaboration needs to be made regarding growth of alts in regards to fiat. When BTC goes up, alts tend to sit at the current fiat price (some will take a slight dip though). This causes the ALT/BTC price to dip accordingly, then once BTC "stabilization" occurs, alts tend to grow in fiat value also (markets tend to even out), so accordingly the ALT/BTC price rises accordingly.

Because of this, there are some willing to take the risk to deviate from sound market strategy to capitalize on the dip and rise. It actually functions as a type of prolonged arbitrage strategy, although there is significant risk involved.

Sorry , but I can't agree on this one.
During the December rally I made more out of alts than out of btc.

Same from the small price rise at the beginning of the year.
It's probable that right now there are too many alts and the money are getting dispersed so a rally can't really stop , but it wasn't like that in the past.


The thing is that your reference point is the rally from December. BTC capped at the end of November 2013. There was no BTC rally in December; in fact during December, we already saw signs of the BTC downtrend. To see what I’m talking about regarding BTC-Alt oscilation, reference the exchange charts in mid-October 2013 and also reference the exchange charts in late-February 2013.
319  Economy / Speculation / Re: Timeline over the next 2 months on: May 21, 2014, 03:16:58 PM
Oh, how I would love this to actually happen. It'd be a hell of a birthday gift, hehe. (Nothing like some awesome birthday money!)

But, I have no clue where all of the money would come from. After all, if this were to happen, the influx would have to outpace the needed amount to account for new minted coins. Assuming a 50% outpace, we're talking about $5 million a day growing to $20 million a day.

[Not that I'm saying it can't happen, but I just don't know where this money would come from.]

you are assuming all mined coins get sold - I know for a fact that not all of them do, as I don't sell all the ones I mine. In fact recently I have been acquiring coins rather than selling them.

I agree though that to push the price to a new all time high will require multiples of the new money that came in during October - December 2013, and I so not believe that investments of this scale are feasible until professional money has a reason (and a way) to buy bitcoin. Professional money at the moment is building bitcoin companies not buying coins, and I am not sure what if anything changes that in 2014, or even the first half of 2015.

Actually, I make that assumption based on market volumes in comparison to growth values during the last two rallies. During the last two rallies, one of the really interesting fits was that the growth and pace factors being a function of mintage over a moving average.

But yes, it seems more and more that the money for the next rally has to actually come from actual business investment rather than speculators.
320  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: NobleCoin[NOBL] - **NOBL/$USD@VoS**MARKETPLACE/BULLION**50 CHARITIES/MERCHANTS** on: May 21, 2014, 02:51:01 PM
Any serious problem for NOBL coin ?
I cannot understand why the price comming down......now 31 on mintpal, 29 polo......
BTC is rising, many sell alts to bank on the rise.

It makes no sense at long as you're not converting to fiat...
You hold 1000 coins worth 1btc.
If the rate between alt/btc doesn't change then you will gain in usd terms just as much , without converting.

Furthermore , most of the times when btc spikes a bit the lats follow the trend.

Back to noble , I have no idea why a coin like this is dropping.
Probably it's best to just hodl and do our best.

Frankly, a lot people are converting to fiat and this is impacting a lot of the alt-currencies out there.

Regarding what you said, I think a little bit more elaboration needs to be made regarding growth of alts in regards to fiat. When BTC goes up, alts tend to sit at the current fiat price (some will take a slight dip though). This causes the ALT/BTC price to dip accordingly, then once BTC "stabilization" occurs, alts tend to grow in fiat value also (markets tend to even out), so accordingly the ALT/BTC price rises accordingly.

Because of this, there are some willing to take the risk to deviate from sound market strategy to capitalize on the dip and rise. It actually functions as a type of prolonged arbitrage strategy, although there is significant risk involved.
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