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3021  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: What is the best way for marketing a new crypto? on: June 26, 2018, 10:34:30 AM
My question is mainly how to do the marketing if you are launching a new crypto currency step by step ?


One of the biggest obstacles may be finding an avenue towards marketing a crypto currency in a way which appeals to the average person who is likely not computer savvy, interested in economic thought experiments or technically inclined in terms of comprehending what a blockchain is or why deflationary currencies could matter over the long term.

Linux attempted to gain mainstream appeal via utilizing a cute, cuddly, penguin mascot. Can bitcoin, ICOs or alts learn from or emulate this form of tactic? Is it worthwhile or time effective to pursue in this day and age? Viral marketing campaigns have shifted and evolved over time to encompass more of an entertainment genre than one which invokes information or education. This makes it difficult to market things like crypto currencies, which appeal moreso to intellect and long term planning.

At least some of our current culture revolves around instant gratification and get rich quick schemes. The ideal of having something for nothing is what has market appeal atm. How to market crypto, alts and ICOs in a way which appeals to those types of mentalities?
3022  Economy / Economics / The question about crypto taxation no one wants to ask on: June 26, 2018, 10:07:49 AM
There are many different sentiments and comments made on taxation over the internet. On this forum we see many proposals for crypto taxation and questions asked regarding how crypto might someday be taxed almost daily.

Here's one interesting question, no one ever asks: if every tax in existence were summed together and factored against average income to derive a rough idea of how much taxes the average person pays, what number would best represent that current status quo.

There has been only one attempt to calculate this that I can remember seeing which claimed the average household in the USA pays around 54% in taxes.



One interesting point to this is: americans had roads, schools, firefighters, police and many other things people claim we would not have without high taxes within that pre 1914 era when the wealthy paid 6% income taxes and everyone else paid a 1% income tax.

With higher taxes and greater state spending, it might be claimed that our educational standards, police standards and road standards have all declined. The world is becoming a darker, less prosperous and more unhappy place as taxes are hiked. If circumstances are deteriorating as taxes are increased, it could mean that leaving crypto untaxed lies within not only our best interest but within the best interest of society and civilization @ large.

Perhaps the question we might ask is how can we test a falsifiable claim that higher taxes are correlated with lower education and lower standards across the board coupled with declining freedom, health and living standards. I'm certain many of us love science and would be enthusiastic about putting such claims to the test, am I right?
3023  Economy / Economics / The asteroid trillionaires on: June 26, 2018, 09:43:58 AM
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The race to the riches of asteroids is on, with several private companies vying for funding to become the first space miners. Andrew Glester digs into the issues involved in making money from asteroids

“I’ll make a prediction right now. The first trillionaire will be made in space.”

So said Texas senator Ted Cruz, shortly after a bill was signed to increase NASA’s budget for 2018. To untrained ears, his claim would have sounded extraordinary. It might even have stretched credulity for those familiar with the challenges of space. But on closer inspection, Cruz was not being that revolutionary. Peter Diamandis – founder of the X Prize competition to encourage tech developments – made the same prediction back in 2008 and expanded on the theme in his 2015 book Bold. As for how those trillionaires will make their riches from space, both he and Neil DeGrasse Tyson – the US astrophysicist and TV host – reckon it will be done by mining asteroids.

Progress is already under way. The first asteroid company, Planetary Resources, was founded in 2012 by Diamandis, Chris Lewicki and others in Washington. Within a year the US company Deep Space Industries was set up by Rick Tumlinson, Stephen Cover and a host of others. A handful more firms have since been established, and while some are admittedly are less serious than others, the race to the riches of space is on.

Despite the existence of such firms and Cruz’s declaration, however, Donald Trump’s 2018 NASA budget cancelled the Asteroid Redirect Mission (ARM), which planned to bring an asteroid into an orbit around Earth where it could be studied and mined a lot more easily than one in the asteroid belt. A NASA spokesperson told me the ARM team is ensuring that the key knowledge from the mission so far is not lost, but NASA pulling out has left the asteroid-mining community without a valuable learning tool and places asteroid mining firmly in the realm of the private space sector.

Nevertheless, the investment bank Goldman Sachs has reassured its clients about the financial benefits of investing in asteroid-mining companies. “The psychological barrier to mining asteroids is high, the actual financial and technological barriers are far lower,” it said in a report published last year. A Caltech study put the cost of an asteroid-mining mission at $2.6bn – perhaps not surprisingly the same estimated cost of NASA’s erstwhile ARM. It might sound a lot, but a rare-earth-metal mine has comparable set-up costs of up to $1bn and a football-field-sized asteroid could contain as much as $50bn of platinum.

There are, however, potentially major challenges for anyone wanting to mine such an asteroid. How do you get it back to Earth through the atmosphere and land it without destroying the planet? Who do you sell it to in space if you can’t get it back to Earth? And even if you can bring it to Earth, all of a sudden platinum is no longer rare. Given that common metals aren’t as expensive as rare metals, will mining an asteroid really be worth it?

Metals and water
Scientists have studied asteroids using ground-based telescopes and space missions – such as NASA’s Galileo and Dawn crafts – which together have gathered close-up imagery and data. Perhaps the most important data came from Japan’s Hayabusa, which in 2010 became the first spacecraft to have landed on an asteroid and successfully returned home with samples. These studies have revealed that there are two types of asteroids of interest to the mining community.

The first are achondrites, which are rich in platinum group metals (ruthenium, rhodium, palladium, osmium, iridium and platinum). These precious metals gravitate to the cores of planets as they form, meaning that they are very deep down on Earth. In the turbulent early solar system, however, some burgeoning planets were smashed to pieces in collisions and became some of the achondrite asteroids that may provide a treasure trove for today’s space miners.

The other asteroids of interest are chondrites. They are perhaps the more immediately valuable, being rich in water. Astronauts need this vital resource not only as a drink and to hydrate food, but also because it is a very efficient radiation shield. Water will be precious for the Moon bases and hotels promised by today’s space entrepreneurs such as Elon Musk (founder of SpaceX) and Jeff Bezos (founder of Blue Origin).

But water is heavy and therefore expensive to launch out of the Earth’s atmosphere. Indeed, it costs between $9000 and $43,000 to send a water bottle into space – which is why it is all recycled on the International Space Station. However, Hubble images of the largest known asteroid, Ceres, suggest that it could hold more water than our planet. Smaller asteroids hold lots too and a technique known as optical mining would use the heat from the Sun to bake the water out of the rock.

The elements of water can also be used for rocket fuel. Asteroid miners are already planning to split the water from chondrites into hydrogen and oxygen, which would serve as fuel and oxidizer respectively. They are hoping to set up fuel stations in low-Earth orbit and the asteroid belt so that spacecraft can fill up on their way to the outer planets of the solar system. Currently, around 90% of the weight of modern rockets is taken up with fuel, so if you can carry less fuel on take-off because you can fill up off-Earth, space flight becomes much cheaper.

Within our reach
But how many asteroids are potential mining hotspots? Martin Elvis, a Harvard University astrophysicist with an interest in asteroid mining, developed an equation in 2013 to estimate the number of asteroids that might be potential mining candidates with our current technology. The equation accounts for the number of asteroids within reach of today’s rocket ships, the likelihood of them being worth mining, whether it is practically feasible to mine them, and whether they would yield a profit. When he first ran the numbers back in 2013, Elvis estimated that around 10 potentially metal-rich asteroids, and 18 sufficiently water-rich, lie within our grasp.

SpaceX’s development of increasingly powerful rockets has bolstered the hopes of asteroid miners because it means we can travel further into space. But Elvis told me that recent press reports claiming he thought the successful Falcon Heavy launch on 6 February had burst open the sky to potential asteroids were wide of the mark. “I made the remark at a conference in Texas recently and the press missed off the word ‘might’, but the truth is that I haven’t run the numbers yet. We need more data before I can run the numbers again, but a wild guess might be that this new fleet of heavy rockets could increase the numbers by a factor of 10.”

Elvis was not just referring to Falcon Heavy either. Blue Origin’s New Glen rocket and, in the longer term, the New Armstrong rocket can all be added to the mix when Elvis next runs his equation. Yet even though the SpaceX rockets are boosting the hopes of asteroid miners who could one day provide his explorers with fuel and raw materials, Musk does not seem convinced. In fact, in 2003 he called asteroid mining “bogus” and, at least publicly, has not updated that view.

Amara Graps, an astrophysicist who organizes the bi-annual Asteroid Science Intersections with In-Space Mine Engineering Conference (ASIME) and founded the Latvian initiative Baltics in Space, is more optimistic. “Elon will come around. He’s a clever guy and he’s surrounded by clever people. He’ll get there but I don’t know how to reach him to sell it to him.” Half the delegates at the most recent ASIME conference, which took place in Luxembourg in April, came from asteroid-mining companies, with the rest being asteroid scientists. Indeed, Graps believes the interface between scientists and business people is essential. The asteroid scientists’ role is to provide scientific support to the companies; addressing some of the companies’ largest asteroid science questions.

Need riches to get rich
Asteroid companies have one major cash-flow issue: if there are riches in space, the miners are reliant on faithful funders to get them there in the first place. That’s why Graps believes communication is key. “Everyone is struggling in their own way,” she says. “So it helps if we can talk to each other. And share. And use our own resources more efficiently.”

Before any company reaches an asteroid, they’ll have to fill that gap in their finances with other revenue streams. The business model for asteroid-mining companies is therefore currently much more Earth-bound. Planetary Resources, for example, which uses its expertise for mining here on Earth, is still reliant on wealthy bankers. Indeed, after missing a funding milestone last year, the company laid off many of its 70 employees. Asteroid-mining companies need to convince potential funders that the claims of untold riches in space are believable and achievable.

But rather than just targeting wealthy investors, Mitch Hunter-Scullion, chief executive of the UK-based Asteroid Mining Corporation, has taken a different tack. He’s turned to crowdfunding for his first asteroid-prospecting mission, which he hopes to fire into space in 2020. “We’re launching APS-1 [Asteroid Prospecting Satellite 1] from India, because it is orders of magnitude cheaper than elsewhere,” he says. “We’re aiming to raise £2.6m through crowdfunding, which, in space terms, is not too overwhelming.” That may be true, but £2.6m will still require a lot of backing from the public for what, to many people, seems like a distant dream. If they do manage to raise the funds, he then plans to sell the data they own to raise more revenue.

A boost for public interest might not be too far away. Although NASA’s Asteroid Redirect Mission has been cancelled, its OSIRIS-Rex sample-return mission to asteroid 101955 Bennu left Earth in September 2016, before Trump took office. It will reach Bennu in December this year and then return a sample to Earth in 2023. Asteroid miners will be watching closely, just as they did when Rosetta landed on 67P/Churyumov–Gerasimenko…and then bounced along its surface.

“We knew a lot about the composition of the comet but that was still a surprise,” Graps tells me. “We need more science before we land on an asteroid to mine it. You don’t want to be bouncing off.”

Graps believes that the asteroid-mining community was distracted by the wrong thing to begin with. “I think [they] wasted time focusing on the metal-rich asteroids,” she says. Her view is shared by Planetary Resources, which puts the platinum-rich asteroids in its second wave of targets. They believe you’re better off targeting chondrites as they have water, which will be your revenue stream in the near future. You mine the water, you own the rocket fuel stations in low-Earth orbit, on the Moon and on the way to deep space. Whether it will make anyone a trillionaire is another question, however. You can use the heat of the Sun to bake the water out of the asteroid but you then need to stop it sublimating off into space. None of this is particularly cheap and you need the spacecraft to come along relatively frequently to keep your revenue streams buoyant. As Elvis says, “In space, no-one can hear you sell.”

How to be a trillionaire
Legally, nobody can own an asteroid, but the US Space Act of 2015 allows companies to own the materials they mine from bodies in space. Luxembourg passed similar laws last year and Hunter-Scullion tells me he is lobbying the UK government to follow suit. Graps is hopeful Latvia will join the party too. In fact, the country that gets the laws right might just win the most lucrative business in space. After all, if your space-mining company is making billions of pounds in space, the money will, for the foreseeable future, be spent on Earth.

There are fabulously wealthy and intelligent people who claim that they will become trillionaires from asteroid mining. Personally, I find it easier to imagine the tidal wave as their asteroid splashes down into the ocean, and the price of platinum dropping through the floor as it becomes suddenly and abundantly available. A future where the metals, rock and water that we mine in space are used in space feels more achievable. Whether that happens soon enough to make the investors of today rich is, I imagine, their big gamble. Elvis for one is convinced that asteroid mining will take place in our lifetime and gave me a top tip on how to become a space millionaire. “It’s relatively easy,” he says. “You just start with a billion.”

https://physicsworld.com/a/the-asteroid-trillionaires/

Many have asked what the next hot investment after bitcoin is and where it might be found. Here we have one possible answer: b̶i̶t̶c̶o̶i̶n̶ ̶m̶i̶n̶i̶n̶g̶  asteroid mining** for fun and profit. Here we have scientists and researchers claiming trillions of dollars are to be made here in the future. One interesting thing about this article is, no one has yet developed the technology to capture, much less mine asteroids. Its similar to an ICO in that they're pitching proposals they are not 100% certain they can deliver on. Yet they want you to believe its "so easy a caveman could do it".

Statistically, bitcoin holders could have a higher statistical probability of becoming trillionaires before asteroid miners do. If the price of bitcoin reached $10 million per btc and one person managed to accumulate 100,000 coins that would give them a market cap of $1 trillion. That may seem like a farfetched scenario but if bitcoin can survive and persevere a lot of things can happen between now and 2140 when the last btc is scheduled to be mined.
3024  Economy / Economics / Re: Do you think there is institutional manipulation of the Bitcoin price? on: June 26, 2018, 09:23:45 AM
I think there definitely is institutional manipulation over bitcoin's price AND tether is being utilized as a scapegoat / smokescreen intended to fool people into thinking crypto market manipulation ended in january 2018. Sad to say I can't prove it and have no real evidence to support my stance on this. Its been said south korea's heavy crypto purchasing volume played a role behind bitcoin's rise near $20k. Then inexplicably for no reason south korea banned bitcoin on a limited basis. Looking at the big picture, its almost as if a coordinated effort has been made to identify and shut down major players who fueled bitcoin's massive success in 2017 in an effort to push bitcoin's value down.

There have been many threads and posts made on this forum attempting to answer a question of what form of attack central bankers would make on bitcoin if they decided to pursue that course of action. Perhaps we're witnessing the answer to that in terms of the preferred means of attack being a strategy of devaluing bitcoin in an effort to kill confidence and end user belief in it.

Tether may be key to this. If in the future we find that tether is innocent and allegations against it made by the media were fabrications, then we might begin to have sparse evidence that there was a type of conspiracy or political agenda in play. Not only perhaps to defraud bitcoin's reputation and name but also to divert attention from real sources of crypto market manipulation--which may be defined today as being somewhat anti bitcoin.
3025  Economy / Economics / Re: Recession and Bitcoin on: June 26, 2018, 08:57:34 AM
I remember europeans scrambling to purchase big screen tv's and electronics around 5 years ago when there was concern the euro would devalue and many expected the long term outlook of big screen tvs to be brighter than the future of EU printed fiat. Back then the economic crisis of 08' was fresher within public consciousness and there was much more interest in gold, precious metals and commodities deemed to have intrinsic value™ as people invested more effort into protecting themselves from economic concerns--which back then appeared to be a much more credible and dire threat.

In the present, 10 years removed from the 2008 crisis, people have relaxed their guard and forgotten the necessity of not trusting banks, governments or regulators to warn or advise them as to what the best policies are to avoid economic / financial trouble. Not many remember how little warning there was preceding the last crisis/recession, people probably feel better forgetting such things.

If there is another economic crisis or recession, we could see renewed public interest in gold, precious metals and bitcoin as there was after the 08 economic crisis. We could have renewed interest in doomsday preppers constructing bugout shelters or post apocalypse survival bunkers as they bury gold and silver in their backyards in preparation of government default or market crash.

When economists, analysts and experts have consensus agreement current budgets and spending are "unsustainable" it means everyone universally agrees a crash will occur at some point. The question is when. There is a slim chance reforms could solve many of the problems we face. What makes things difficult is the lack of knowledge and information available. Specifics in regard to why healthcare may be unaffordable and expensive prove elusive and impossible to come by, which makes issues regarding those topics difficult to identify much less solve.

Average people having more incentive to try something new and get outside of their comfort zones in terms of mainstream bitcoin adoption could represent a positive step towards addressing many economic and financial issues people face on a global scale. The preferable scenario is for some type of positive scenario lending incentive for a higher proportion of crypto adoption, without it being fueled by negative precedents such as recession or economic crisis.
3026  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: UFC 226: Miocic vs. Cormier Prediction Thread on: June 26, 2018, 06:54:29 AM
My biggest question here is how Stipe Miocic's size, punching power and wrestling compare to Anthony "Rumble" Johnson's.

Daniel Cormier has always shocked me at how easily he handled power punchers like Rumble who looked unstoppable in their prime. I need to re-watch Stipe's fight with Francis Ngannou to try and get an indication of how much Stipe's wrestling has progressed. I seem to remember Junior Dos Santos taking Stipe down in the 4th round of their first fight years ago. JDS not known for being the most powerful or skilled wrestler.

Every single fight on this card interests me. Especially Michael Chiesa vs Anthony Pettis which has been cancelled and rescheduled at least once after Conor threw those things through the bus window.

Bellator 201 is june 29th 2018.

Ilima-Lei Macfarlane (c)   vs.   Alejandra Lara            
Saad Awad   vs.   Ryan Couture            
Valérie Létourneau   vs.   Kristina Williams            
Juan Archuleta   vs.   Robbie Peralta   

Ultimate Fighter 29 Finale is on july 6th(one day before UFC 226).

Brad Tavares   vs.   Israel Adesanya            
Alex Caceres   vs.   Martin Bravo            
Roxanne Modafferi   vs.   Barb Honchak            
Alessio Di Chirico   vs.   Julian Marquez            
Montana De La Rosa   vs.   Rachael Ostovich            
Luis Peña   vs.   Richie Smullen            
Matt Bessette   vs.   Steven Peterson            
Gerald Meerschaert   vs.   Oskar Piechota
3027  Economy / Economics / Re: What are your plans for the next 5 years in Finance? on: June 25, 2018, 12:59:45 PM
I plan to research DRIPS (Dividend Re Investment PlanS) and sink funds into stocks which fit that profile if I can find good ones. There are stocks which payout monthly dividends that could be worth checking out. Greater risk may be correlated with those greater rewards but monthly dividends are also something I plan to look into and learn more about.

Real estate and development of land is on my list. There are cool things ranging from organic farming to aquaponics which look juicy and enticing to me. I've done construction work in the past. Its a matter of saving a down payment and accumulating assets until I work my way up to being able to do things without going too much into debt.

There are other things I intend to pursue I don't want to go too much into. I feel like I've stuck too much to tried and established things and it would be good to venture into greyer areas where there isn't as much standardized info published and available. If only to avoid market saturation and focus more on challenging myself.
3028  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: UFC FN 132: Cerrone vs Edwards Info and Prediction Thread on: June 24, 2018, 03:53:59 PM
I stayed up and watched almost the entire card. Its crazy how much athletes continue to improve and the overall skill level of MMA fighters continues to climb higher.

The scorecards for Donald Cerrone vs Leon Edwards say 48-47. Realistically I think 49-46 or 50-45 in Leon Edwards favor would have been more accurate. Edwards battered and beat Cowboy the entire fight whatever silly and inaccurate things commentators had to say about it.

Song Yadong, Shane Young, Petr Yan and Jake Matthews were the best prospects fighting on the card imo. Song Yadong was especially impressive.

Looking forward to Cormier vs Miocic. I guess the UFC wants Jon Jones vs Daniel Cormier 3 and so they have Cormier fighting up a weight class to ensure he holds the belt until Jon Jones returns.
3029  Economy / Economics / Re: Came across this, though it was quite interesting on: June 24, 2018, 03:34:23 PM
I like Elon Musk's proposal for the human race becoming a multi planetary species. It is possible life here on earth is too easy and convenient for us. Perhaps establishing a colony on a planet like mars would help the human race to manage resources and living space in a more responsible and sustainable manner. I remember seeing the movie the Matrix as a younger version of myself and listening to Agent Smith's monologue comparing the human race to a virus breeding out of control. Back then I thought Agent Smith was an asshole for characterizing the wonder and grandeur of the human race as having parallels to seemingly mindless, brainless, parasitic viruses. Within the present day, I don't know what to think. Perhaps expanding outwards into the solar system would help circumstances where we have many refugees and seemingly limited space to house them.

There certainly isn't much dialogue or public consciousness devoted towards resolving circumstances in an elegant fashion. Most of us live day to day under purely reactional terms where we elevate critical thinking and speculation on the nature of these topics as existing above our station. Perhaps with billions of collective minds we could channel our intellect and imagination towards finding a solution most can live with. However with so few and so few resources devoted towards this, certainly it drastically limits our options.
3030  Economy / Economics / Re: How well do cryptocurrencies fulfil the functions of money? on: June 24, 2018, 02:05:22 PM
I'll go out on a limb and contend a double standard exists which contributes towards crypto currencies acclaimed volatility in contrast to the exaggerated stability of fiat money. There are no fundamental nor intrinsic reasons why fiat should inherently be considered less volatile or deemed more stable. Examples of this are the current venezuelan bolivar and zimbabwe dollars of ages past. Fiat currencies have displayed far greater negative price volatility than bitcoin has in its history.

One thing we can be certain of is bitcoin should theoretically be more stable than the US dollar or any fiat due to its printing being algorithmically limited. The impossibility of bitcoin and some alts being printed out of thin air without limit should make them less volatile and more stable however there are contributing factors and unknowns which prevent that from happening. Someday perhaps when bitcoin is a more established and known phemonea, it may be recognized as exhibiting greater stability than fiat for reasons mentioned above. Crypto currencies are in their infancy and markets have a ways to go before they reach maturity.
3031  Economy / Economics / Re: Cardano Co-Founder: Wall Street Will Bring ‘Tens of Trillions of Dollars’ to Cry on: June 24, 2018, 01:47:36 PM
The only things I can think of offhand that are denominated in "trillions of dollars" are GDP's of entire countries and bank derivatives. Claiming crypto will reach those heights is a bold statement. Essentially, he's claiming crypto will put banks out of business. As far as investments go I'm not certain banks or hedge funds would ever abandon their dark pools and HFT trading for less algorithmic intensive trading of a bitcoin exchange, where at least some of their trading advantages would be denied to them & they would be trading at near to the same level as everyone else.

It is nice to see the optimism. I hope he is correct.

Would some of you mind copying and pasting the articles you link to in their entirety? I know a lot of people dislike clicking on links and won't bother reading.
3032  Economy / Economics / Re: If crypto market manipulation exists, what is its main source? on: June 24, 2018, 05:24:36 AM
***bump***

Would like a response to this.

Bitcoin's current price decline could represent market manipulation fueled by 0% commission exchanges.
3033  Economy / Economics / Inside a Heist of American Chip Designs, as China Bids for Tech Power on: June 24, 2018, 05:02:46 AM
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JINJIANG, China — With a dragnet closing in, engineers at a Taiwanese chip maker holding American secrets did their best to conceal a daring case of corporate espionage.

As the police raided their offices, human resources workers gave the engineers a warning to scramble and get rid of the evidence. USB drives, laptops and documents were handed to a lower-level employee, who hid them in her locker. Then she walked one engineer’s phone out the front door.

What those devices contained was more valuable than gold or jewels: designs from an American company, Micron Technology, for microchips that have helped power the global digital revolution. According to the Taiwanese authorities, the designs were bound for China, where they would help a new, $5.7 billion microchip factory the size of several airplane hangars rumble into production.

China has ambitious plans to overhaul its economy and compete head to head with the United States and other nations in the technology of tomorrow. The heist of the designs two years ago and the raids last year, which were described by Micron in court filings and the police in Taiwan, represent the dark side of that effort — and explain in part why the United States is starting a trade war with China.

A plan known as Made in China 2025 calls for the country to become a global competitor in an array of industries, including semiconductors, robotics and electric vehicles. China is spending heavily to both innovate and buy up technology from abroad.

Politicians in Washington and American companies accuse China of veering into intimidation and outright theft to get there. And they see Micron, an Idaho company whose memory chips give phones and computers the critical ability to store and quickly retrieve information, as a prime example of that aggression.

Three years ago, Micron spurned a $23 billion takeover offer from a state-controlled Chinese company. Today it faces a lawsuit and an investigation in China, which accounts for about half its $20 billion in annual sales.

Then Micron was the target of the heist in Taiwan, according to officials there and a lawsuit the company has brought against the Taiwanese company that employed the engineers, UMC, and the Chinese company it says wanted access to the technology, Fujian Jinhua Integrated Circuit Company.


Other companies may face predicaments similar to Micron’s, industry experts said.

One state-backed factory in the city of Wuhan, owned by Yangtze Memory Technology Company, or YMTC, will be turning out chips that look similar to those made by Samsung, the South Korean chip maker, said Mark Newman, an analyst at Sanford Bernstein.

“The YMTC one is virtually identical to Samsung’s, which makes it pretty clear they’ve been copying,” Mr. Newman said.

A Samsung spokeswoman declined to comment, and YMTC officials did not return calls for comment. President Xi Jinping of China visited YMTC’s production facilities this year, one way China’s leaders show their endorsement for projects.

China defends Made in China 2025 as necessary for its economic survival. It still depends on other countries for crucial goods like chips and software, and China is offering funding for homegrown labs and for entrepreneurs who hope to grab a piece of the future.

But Trump administration officials in a report this year recounted how Chinese officials have at times helped local companies get intellectual property from American firms, including in the energy, electronics, software and avionics sectors.

American business groups worried about Made in China 2025 point to Micron. The account of its struggles was based on Taiwanese and American legal documents.

In 2015, representatives from Tsinghua Unigroup, a Chinese chip maker with major state backing, approached Micron with an acquisition offer, which the company rejected. It later also turned down several partnership offers from Chinese companies out of concern for protecting its technology, said a person with knowledge of the situation, who asked not to be identified because the person lacked authorization to speak publicly.

That was when one Chinese company resorted to theft, Micron said in documents filed last December in Federal District Court for the Northern District of California.

Micron’s accusations focus on efforts by Fujian Jinhua Integrated Circuit, a state-backed chip maker, to build a $5.7 billion factory in China’s Fujian Province. Two years ago, Jinhua tapped UMC, a Taiwanese company, to help it develop technology for the factory. Instead of going through the lengthy steps required to design the technology, Micron said in its suit, UMC and Jinhua decided to steal it.

A UMC spokesman denied the allegations and declined to comment further. Jinhua did not respond to requests for comment.

First, UMC lured away engineers from Micron’s Taiwan operations with promises of raises and bonuses, according to the Taiwanese authorities. Then, it asked them to take some of Micron’s secrets with them, according to Micron’s court filings and the authorities. The engineers illegally took with them more than 900 files that contained key specifications and details about Micron’s advanced memory chips, the authorities said.

Micron grew suspicious, according to its court documents, after discovering that one of its departing engineers had turned to Google for instructions on how to wipe a company laptop. Later, at a recruiting event in the United States aimed at Micron employees, Jinhua and UMC showed PowerPoint slides that used Micron’s internal code names when discussing future chips it would make, according to the court documents.

Alerted by Micron, the Taiwanese police tapped the phone of one Micron engineer, Kenny Wang, who was being recruited by UMC. According to an indictment in Taiwan against Mr. Wang and others, UMC reached out to Mr. Wang in early 2016 using Line, the smartphone messaging app, while he was still working for Micron. UMC explained it was having problems developing its memory chip technology. Mr. Wang then grabbed the information it needed from Micron’s servers, and later used it to help UMC’s design. The police said Mr. Wang received a promotion at UMC.

When investigators showed up at UMC’s offices early last year, the police said, some employees rushed to hide what they had taken from Micron. Mr. Wang and another former Micron employee gave laptops, USB flash drives and documents to an assistant engineer, who locked them in her personal locker. She then left the office with Mr. Wang’s phone — the one that the police had tapped, which was quickly tracked down.

UMC filed its own criminal complaint against Mr. Wang last year, which Taiwanese prosecutors rejected. Mr. Wang and other engineers who were charged said they had taken the trade secrets for personal research. Mr. Wang did not respond to emails and phone calls for comment.

In January, Micron was hit with a patent infringement suit by Jinhua and UMC over several types of memory. As part of the suit, the companies requested that the court bar Micron from making and selling the products and pay them damages. The case is being heard by a court in Fujian Province. The Fujian provincial government is an investor in Jinhua.

In a letter sent to President Trump, Senators Jim Risch and Michael D. Crapo, Republicans of Idaho, expressed concern about the entire case and specifically the rapid pace with which the patent lawsuit has proceeded. The case could block Micron from selling some products in China.

“If the case against Micron moves forward, and the Chinese government once again rules in favor of itself, it would cause substantial damage to Micron and the U.S. tech industry as a whole,” said the letter, which was viewed by The New York Times.

In May, China’s market regulator opened a price-fixing investigation into Micron, along with the South Korean memory makers SK Hynix and Samsung Electronics. Memory prices have jumped over the past year, because of spiking demand and limited production by the three companies, which dominate the market. Another China regulator, which has said it is also monitoring the price jump, also gave a multimillion-dollar grant to Jinhua.

Jinhua and other Chinese chip makers face hurdles in catching up. Production of semiconductors involves a highly complex and automated process that controls everything down to the atomic level.

Jinhua and others are spending big to get there. In Jinjiang, a city in Fujian Province once known as a shoe-manufacturing center, Jinhua’s new factory is almost finished. Rising five stories and stretching several football fields long, the structure boasts 100,000 square feet of new office space.

Economic planners in Jinjiang said they were hoping to attract more talent from Taiwan. In addition to adding more flights there, the town was in the process of building out a bilingual international school, a hospital with international accreditation and upscale apartments. The new plant is just a short drive from the airport.

“Most of Made in China 2025 is likely to succeed. Not all technologies are rocket science,” said Dan Wang, a technology analyst in Beijing with Gavekal Dragonomics, a research firm. “With enough subsidies, Chinese firms have a good shot at catching up to the technological frontier.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/22/technology/china-micron-chips-theft.html

China stealing US intellectual property and ruling against the corporations they steal from in court motivated the united states latest round of tariffs igniting something resembling a soft trade war. This represents a stark counterpoint to narratives outlined by the media which illustrate the united states as being immoral and protectionist for objecting to chinese theft of their copyrighted and intellectual property.

This could raise questions in regard to the mainstream media's stance resembling a pro china / anti american slant.

If there is an evil shadow organization lurking in the background which secretly owns & controls the media. It might be fair to say their ultimate goal is the downfall of the united states and ensuring that china emerges as the dominant superpower on the planet. Trade and political policies appear designed to cripple or disadvantage the united states while giving china extremely elevated levels of favortism. These precedents are backed by the media which illustrates china's theft of other nations intellectual property as being benevolent and moral while casting the united states wanting fair treatment for the theft of their property protectionist and evil.
3034  Economy / Economics / Re: Tax on the crypto currency! What do you think? on: June 24, 2018, 02:51:24 AM
It helps to remember that taxes are one of the main reasons why wages are low, healthcare is expensive, economy and job markets suffer. A case could be made for taxes having many significant negative impacts upon civilization and society which do not outweigh any positive tangible benefits they provide.

If the US economy is doing well at the moment--its due to taxes being cut and a law being passed requiring 2 regulatory policies to be abolished for every new regulatory policy which is introduced.

Governments have tried to print, tax and spend their way out of debt over the past 3 decades. The ineffectiveness of these policies has led to both the USA and EU being trillions in debt. The ideal policy as far as job, economic growth and standard of living go could be to cut taxes. The improving US economy could be considered evidence that tax cuts lead to economic, job growth and prosperity while these attempts to introduce new taxes and raise taxes are poor policy as illustrated by the past 3 decades of poor economic growth and overall declining standard of living.

Crypto is better off unregulated and untaxed. Taxes collected from crypto will likely be redistributed to banks, large corporations like amazon and others who already receive unfair favortism or subsidies. There's no real benefit to taxation, while taxation does carry many negative maluses.
3035  Economy / Economics / Re: Tether releases notarized evidence tether is backed by $2.55 billion in reserves on: June 23, 2018, 09:40:24 AM
I'm actually quite surprised there hasn't been some sort of a market boost based on this news.

I haven't seen this story posted on reddit crypto sections. None of the crypto accounts I follow on social media have mentioned it, either. Its possible this news story is flying below the radar and hasn't received much mainstream attention or exposure. I haven't checked but it is also possible none of the crypto news sites are covering or rebroadcasting this, yet.

This is a story which could definitely use more attention.  Smiley
3036  Economy / Economics / Re: Starting WAR with ASIC vendors. on: June 23, 2018, 08:16:26 AM
In the past, ASIC markets were heavily centralized under bitmain which could represent a market valued as high as $30-$40 billion dollars. With nvidia, samsung and other semiconductor or GPU manufacturers poised to enter the ASIC market, we should see greater market decentralization as competition heats up.

Great market competition unfortunately doesn't necessarily imply less sabotaging of hardware to single out certain intellectual property from having subpar performance against other altcoins. It might be noted however software has potential to be more flexible than hardware, which could give altcoins an advantage over hardware producers building ASICs. If someone wants to enlighten me on "zcash and murder equihash algo" I would be interested in learning more on that.

In the past, apple sabotaged its operating systems in a way which prevented flash from running on them so enable apple to push its own html5 multimedia standard. Microsoft may have sabotaged its OS for a time to sabotage OpenGL in an effort to push its own Direct X IP. In a way, these types of restrictive moves could be very difficult to oppose and even open platforms could be susceptible to to a degree of cross market competition via sabotage, which makes things difficult.
3037  Economy / Economics / If crypto market manipulation exists, what is its main source? on: June 23, 2018, 07:59:55 AM
Here is a screenshot of an interesting post made on this forum in november 2017.



It claims the main source of price manipulation is not tether. But rather crypto exchanges which charge 0% commission fees on trades, allowing traders with multiple accounts to buy and sell to themselves in an effort to manipulate price, without incurring losses which would normally discourage this type of price manipulation.

There are two angles to this which could be of interest. The first is the media story about tether manipulating bitcoin's price could represent a distraction, a misinformation campaign designed to misinform people as to what the real sources of crypto market manipulation are.

The second angle is one where recent news stories about exchanges being hacked are not the main cause of bitcoin's price depreciating. But rather there could be some form of market manipulation whereby exchanges which charge 0% commissions on trades are being utilized in an effort to drag bitcoin's price down.

What could support the second claim is the lack of negative trading whenever a bank or credit card company is hacked. They do experience price downturns but if I am remembering right, it is nowhere near the 10% or so losses we see from bitcoin when an exchange is compromised.

I'm throwing this out there as it appears to be a neglected perspective and one which might be deserving of greater consideration.

Thoughts on this--please share.
3038  Economy / Economics / Re: Protectionism and Cryptocurrency: how do protectionist policies influence crypto on: June 23, 2018, 07:00:29 AM
China routinely gets away with stealing copyrighted and patented intellectual property. An example of this is china hacking US defense servers to steal warplane stealth technology which allowed them to develop their own J-20 stealth fighter earlier than they otherwise would have. A good chunk of china's economy revolves around stealing/pirating US owned media and technology as well as industrial processes etc. China has hunted multiple endangered species to the brink of extinction--without receiving much negative media publicity. China's attempts to expand their territory into the pacific could be more dangerous than anything Putin or russia ever attempted in crimea, yet there is no real media coverage on it. China is known for treating animals like dogs inhumanely yet they receive no negative media on that, wheras russia was severely criticized for it during the recent world cup.

The media pushes a "US protectionism" agenda but if we're being honest about it, a better case could be made for china's economy being the most protectionist on earth. China's economy receives far more favortism and privilege than anyone.

I'm not certain what effect tariffs could have on crypto, if nations are focused on economies they might not have the time or energy to bother too much with crypto. That could represent the best possible scenario.
3039  Economy / Economics / Re: Tether releases notarized evidence tether is backed by $2.55 billion in reserves on: June 22, 2018, 12:28:56 PM
For me, this only raises further questions.  If the money really has been there all along, why wait until now to prove it?  Why not allow a full audit if there's nothing to hide?  And why only show that one, specific day?  How do we know the money was there on May 31st and earlier?  Maybe I'm unnecessarily suspicious, but this just doesn't sit well with me.  People have had suspicions of impropriety for some time now and this doesn't really feel like much of an attempt to allay concerns.  Rather than just a quick snapshot of records on that one day, I'd be more reassured by some records over a more prolonged period.  A full audit is still needed before I''ll be convinced.

If I had to guess, the money doesn't normally just sit there.  It gets "invested" (read "gambled with").  Which is why a full audit won't happen.  People would see what risks they're taking.

Tether's silence could represent a typical stance taken by an individual or corporation currently under investigation. They typically do not make public statements until after the investigation or trial is concluded. Tether could have chosen to release this data in response to the "academic study" in the news recently, claiming to have found evidence of price collusion between tether and btc's ath in 2017. That could the reason the date on the notary is very recent.

I think lawyers recommend against releasing public statements while under investigation. But in this case, tether might have felt that the media was distorting facts to make them appear guilty. And so they might have decided to break protocol and release data hinting at them being innocent.
3040  Economy / Economics / Re: SEC documents detail scores of fraud allegations against Coinbase on: June 22, 2018, 12:14:25 PM
I do not know why you are linking between regulations and these complaints ?

There could be a correlation between regulation and higher degrees of corruption. I'll give you an example. I think everyone has heard of stories where paypal confiscates or holds someone's funds for no valid reason.

With coinbase we could have a perfect example of a financial platform that was legitimate and never scammed anyone before it was regulated which became corrupt and dysfunctional after regulation.

It all depends on whether similarities can be drawn between post regulation coinbase and paypal. As far as coinbase goes, I remember reading many posts on this forum written by people who claimed coinbase did them wrong. I've been here since 2012. I don't remember anyone saying anything negative about coinbase or allegations of corruption until after coinbase became regulated.

That's my attempt at correlating a link between the two. Would be interested to know what people think on this.
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