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2021  Economy / Economics / Re: random economic ideas on: March 10, 2021, 09:22:18 PM
NFTs seem intent to create value out of thin air.   Smiley

What if celebrity data saved in a blockchain & sold in markets held intrinsic value? The complete DNA of celebrities.

I don't know if anyone would be surprised if 23andme collected, stored or sold the DNA of those who utilized its service, considering how valuable the data could be. Privacy and data integrity concerns don't hold the weight they once did.

Looks like twitter CEO Jack Dorsey is hopping on the bandwagon.

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Jack Dorsey is offering to sell the first tweet as an NFT and the highest bid is $2.5 million

Jack Dorsey appears to be offering to sell the very first tweet as a non-fungible token, or NFT.

The Twitter CEO shared a link Friday afternoon to a platform called “Valuables,” where his March 21, 2006 tweet “just setting up my twttr” was up for bidding. The highest offer is from Sina Estavi, CEO of Bridge Oracle, for $2.5 million as of Saturday afternoon, according to the website.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/03/06/jack-dorsey-is-offering-to-sell-the-first-tweet-as-an-nft.html

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There could be a coordinated, organized, effort to artificially inflate the value of NFTs.

Perhaps a prime example of the modern trend to label everything a bubble. Except things that actually are bubbles, as NFTs could potentially be.
2022  Economy / Economics / Re: Economics of perpetual poverty - R. Kiyosaky and the dude on the street on: March 08, 2021, 03:58:26 PM
IIRC, Robert Kiyosaki's "GET RICH" methodology was accumulating assets while reducing liabilities, through creative financing and other generalized means. Which like OP said, doesn't amount to more than basic fundamentals like "make more money, spend less, save".

People normally want actionable and explicit advice they can execute without vagueness. Finance channels on youtube, podcasts on side hustles / making money today, offer better advice and information.

IMO dividend reinvestment plans (DRIP) are good. There are many documented success stories with DRIP in US stock markets. Buying bitcoin before its 3 to 4 year cycle another good move. Holding altcoins likely to be pumped eventually appears to be another worthwhile strategy. Prior to the pandemic buying items off the clearance rack of stores and reselling on ebay was a viable strategy for some. There are many different hustles and methods that can be effective. Without having to venture into the vague generalizations some traditional finance gurus are known for.
2023  Economy / Economics / Re: Will New York become a Bitcoin hub on: March 08, 2021, 03:41:36 PM
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New York Attorney General Shuts Down Bitfinex And Tether Trading in State; Groups Agree $18.5 Million Fine

“Tether’s claims that its virtual currency was fully backed by U.S. dollars at all times was a lie," New York Attorney General Letitia James said as she shut down its trading in the state.

The State of New York shut down the the digital currency trading platform Bitfinex Tuesday, accusing it of hiding losses and deceiving clients, in a move that could have significant implications for bitcoin prices.

New York Attorney General Letitia James said Bitfinex claimed its so-called 'stablecoin', Tether, was backed by one-for-one holdings in U.S. dollars. However, James said iFinex, the Bitfinex platform operator "made false statements about the backing of the “tether” stablecoin, and about the movement of hundreds of millions of dollars between the two companies to cover up the truth about massive losses", which it pegged at $850 million.

iFiniex, Tether and related entities were ordered to cease trading and pay $18.5 million in penalties. The groups were also told to increase their reporting and transparency with respect to Tether's U.S. dollar backing.

https://www.thestreet.com/investing/new-york-ag-shuts-down-bitfinex-and-tether-trading-in-state


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Controversial case emerging in new york where bitfinex was fined and tether is now banned.

I don't understand criticism towards tether's dollar backing. It may not be 100% backed at all times. But it enjoys a far greater backing than every asset on markets aside from bitcoin and precious metals.

It is hard to believe new york can seriously commit to fair review of cryptocurrencies when they ban tether on kneejerk reactionary whims rather than hard evidence.
2024  Economy / Economics / Re: Central banks around the world want to get into digital currencies on: March 08, 2021, 03:04:53 PM
I doubt any aside from the most hardcore supporters of china will be thrilled by its design choices.

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While bitcoin is a deflationary currency designed to increase in value over time, eCNY is an inflationary currency designed to decrease in value over time.

In fact, in its current incarnation, it expires worthless if it isn't spent within a few weeks.

https://news.yahoo.com/central-bank-digital-currencies-mean-170227215.html

China's central bank issued digital currency

  • Is designed to decrease in value over time. It is claimed this will encourage end users to spend and use it.
  • Expires & becomes worthless if it is not spend within a few weeks

Around 7 years ago there were rumors of china increasing its gold reserves in preparation to back its native yuan currency in gold.

A solid and proven method to encourage adoption of the yuan as an international reserve currency. Increasing china's power and influence.

I can't see how anyone would want to utilize a digital currency under the oppressive and restrictive terms chinese central banks are creating.
2025  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: UFC 259 - Predictions & discussion to matches w/odds added from different source on: March 08, 2021, 02:10:17 PM
UFC 259 Wrap Up Notes~

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFqIhGzeh6c
Gracie Breakdown, Amanda Nunes vs. Megan Anderson (UFC 259)

Very good breakdown of Amanda Nunes submission of Megan Anderson.

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  • It looked like Aljamain Sterling utilized the same gameplan his Serra Longo teammate Merab Dvalishvili uses. Trying to overwhelm opponents with a high pace. I would like to see Sterling try to get Petr Yan's back, he's very dangerous from that position with strong submissions.
  • Sean Brady's arm triangle from half guard submission, could be only the 2nd time someone has pulled that move off in the UFC. The other being Bryan Barberena's sub finish of Sage Northcutt.
  • Rogerio Bonterin gasing out and exhausting himself in round 1 reminded me of Rodolfo Vieira at UFC 258. Both Bonterin and Vieira share backgrounds as former BJJ champions. Maybe there is correlation there.
  • Yadong used to call himself Yadong "The Terminator" Song. Now his nickname is Yadong "Kung Fu Monkey" Song. He was a better fighter when he was "The Terminator" IMO back when Justin Buccholz was head coach of team alpha male.
2026  Economy / Economics / Re: Did tesla's $1.5 billion bitcoin purchase negatively affect their stock price on: March 06, 2021, 11:59:27 PM
Right now, the cars from Tesla costs at least 4-5 times that of a gasoline-run vehicle with the same specs.


Teslas do 0 to 60 mph performance times ranging from 2.5 seconds to 4 seconds. Teslas are faster than supercars like ferraris and lamborghinis which are far more expensive.

Teslas offer supercar performance in an EV with quality craftsmanship and dependability on top of high fuel efficiency, while being good for the environment and helping end dependance on fossil fuels. Futuristic extras like AI autopilot technology -- definitely a plus. On paper analysts trend towards looking only at price and range, which prevents them from seeing the big picture.

I watched presentations on tesla's planned tech unveilings for 2022 and have to say they're impressive. Could be game changing for EV markets and battery manufacturing. They managed to reduce if not eliminate dependance on cobalt for their batteries which was one area EVs were criticized for due to cobalt mining industries being dependant upon child and slave labor in africa.
2027  Economy / Economics / Re: Did tesla's $1.5 billion bitcoin purchase negatively affect their stock price on: March 06, 2021, 12:01:12 AM
Around a billion in profit was already registered from its Bitcoin investment after only a relatively short period of time. And it appears Tesla has made more profit from its Bitcoin investment than from its 2020 EV car sales. [1]

[1] https://www.cnbc.com/2021/02/22/tesla-has-made-1-billion-profit-on-its-bitcoin-investment-analyst.html#:~:text=Menu-,Tesla%20has%20made%20about%20%241%20billion%20in,its%20bitcoin%20investment%2C%20analyst%20estimates&text=Tesla%20has%20made%20roughly%20%241,analyst%20at%20Wedbush%20Securities%20estimated.

Tesla made a bigger profit buying bitcoin than the profit made from their entire operation. Hilarious!

Reminds me of space x venturing into the satellite internet business (starlink) when they realized satellite ISPs have bigger profit margins than space x itself did.


Tesla's stock decline is because the company was insanely overvalued to the point of absurdity. It's valued like it's going to be the only company that ever produces electric vehicles. Once you dispel that notion as obviously wrong, it's easy to see how overvalued the company is.  Aside from valuation, all tech stocks are getting hammered as treasury yields rise right now.  That's not specific to Tesla, it's pretty much across the board.  I wouldn't say that Tesla buying bitcoin is why it's down, but the sideshow it creates isn't doing the company any favors.

I think tesla's stock value surged after their recent presentation unveiling new technology scheduled to be rolled out in 2022. They plan to license their new EV technology to global automakers in addition to utilizing it in house. They may also have a tesla EV they plan to market at $20k to $30k in 2022. Which could represent the price range many would like to buy a tesla but previously couldn't afford it. There is also the tesla cybertruck which is due out in 2022.

2028  Economy / Economics / Re: THE ECONOMICAL POWER on: March 05, 2021, 11:41:36 PM
WE ARE TAKING THE ECONOMIC POWER(YOUTH)



AFAIK nations like spain have sustained youth unemployment (ages 19-24) statistics as high as 50% dating perhaps as far back as the 2008 economic crisis.

Youth statistics may also sustain the highest numbers for depression, crime & suicides. Which could lead to their age bracket ranking amongst the hardest hit by economic troubles and pandemics.

There are definitely people in need when times get hard. And I think all of us would definitely like to improve circumstances and standards of living for youth.

But how to do it? Its not a topic which receives much attention or discussion. The media normally turns a blind eye.

This is a topic I wish people would care about and talk about more.
2029  Economy / Economics / Re: End of the Road: How Money Became Worthless -film which everybody has to watch on: March 05, 2021, 11:32:13 PM
I finally got around to watching this documentary and have to say it is good.

It contains a lot of info that is accurate which commonly goes unacknowledged by official sources. Descriptions and explanations could be better. They label portions of the US economy a ponzi scheme without doing the best job backing their claims. They discuss trade deficits without fully going into detail and explaining the necessary exposition fully.

One might say there are a few critical points they got wrong back then in 2012. Which they would have realized in watching economic & market trends from 2012 - 2021. If Dr Seuss were banned in 2012 they might say it was motivated by market mechanics, rather than politics. 2020 - 2021 may lend a slightly different perspective.

It is definitely worth a watch IMO. I'll try to watch it twice or three times to make certain I get their points due to how condensed portions of it are.
2030  Economy / Economics / Bitcoin millionaire lists reasons most will never be rich on: March 05, 2021, 11:15:03 PM
https://twitter.com/OfWudan/status/1238091998978093056

March 2020 an investor, athlete and youtuber known as Andrew Tate bought $300k worth of bitcoin priced at $5900. And another $300k worth of bitcoin priced at $6100.

He claims his BTC holdings today are worth around $7 million.

Definitely one of the more colorful and outspoken personalities in crypto willing to voice some of the more audacious opinions, its possible he deserves more attention than he receives.

His list of reasons most may never be rich:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxiYgtxPoG0

#1  Difficulty identifying opportunity  There are many opportunities in crisis.

#2  Outdated or inaccurate ideas of how to make money  He recommends renting rather than buying a house and questioning traditional ideas on how to make money.

#3  No plan  This item does not need much clarification.

Anyways definitely one of the more interesting characters out there.

And maybe someone people might learn a few things from? This guy does the stereotypical thing many internet personalities do driving expensive sportscars with a harem of attractive women who live with him in his mansion. That would seem to be the dream of many in 2021. His message of self reliance, action and self empowerment isn't that common today. So I hope there might be something of value here.
2031  Economy / Economics / Re: Bangladesh is Becoming a "Bull Case" in the South Asia's Economy on: March 05, 2021, 11:10:13 PM
Last I heard bangladesh was hit hard by rising sea levels. Many residents fled coastal areas and were forced to immigrate abroad. They were categorized among first documented cases of climate change refugees along with the maldives islands. It was some of the more compelling evidence for climate change and rising sea levels I've seen.

Most support second chances and love comeback stories but the article posted neglects to mention a cohesive strategy behind bangladesh elevating its economic status.

Previously brazil, russia, india, china and south africa were labeled BRICS economies and it was claimed there would be a massive boom in those nations.

Before BRICS there were the 4 asian tigers: south korea, taiwan, singapore and hong kong. It was claimed there would be a massive boom in those nations.

Now it appears we have bangladesh the south asian bull economy. I hope bangladesh's economic boom goes better than BRICS and the 4 asian tigers did.

Enthusiasm and positive outlooks are great but it seems they may lack a plan for attaining their goals and aspirations.
2032  Economy / Economics / Did tesla's $1.5 billion bitcoin purchase negatively affect their stock price on: March 04, 2021, 11:50:53 PM


A controversial topic.  

Some claim Elon Musk and tesla are being battered for allocating $1.5 billion in assets in BTC. Others say tesla's stock crashing post february 8th is an amazing coincidence entirely unrelated to that move.

One of the more tangible pieces of evidence emerging are supply chain disruptions freezing automotive factory lines.

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Supply chain disruption for semiconductors to the automotive sector

Since the back end of 2020 there have been reports of disruption within the supply chain of semiconductors to the automotive sector. Pressure built up as the automotive industry recovered from the widespread lockdowns experienced during the first half of 2020 and that recovery cycle clashed with increasing demand from the wider consumer electronics sector, which was itself recovering strongly and late in the year, building stocks for the holiday season.

As a result of these pressures, light vehicle manufacturers are finding increased disruption to the supply of systems using semiconductors in the first quarter. At this stage, with varying levels of visibility across the supply chain, the biggest volume disruption is noted in Mainland China where, based on available information, the risk could be 250,000 units in the first quarter. Additionally, in Europe, where less immediate detail is available, losses could total 100,000 units for this quarter. Production levels in North America, Japan and India are also expected to be negatively affected during the quarter. In other regions the risk is evident but it is less significant at this stage.

https://ihsmarkit.com/research-analysis/supply-chain-disruption-for-semiconductors-to-the-automotive-s.html

It is interesting to note other automakers like ford and toyota have not experienced the massive stock devaluation tesla has. Ford's stock price is actually higher today than it was feb 8th. Internal combustion engine manufacturers aren't as reliant upon rare earth metals the way that EV makers like tesla are. Perhaps this discrepansy can be explained by regional differences and material demands.

Long story short, your mission should you choose to accept it. How would you explain tesla's stock movements from february 8th to the present. There are always many threads and posts being made on this forum about trading. Many lessons in historical markets translate to trading crypto and HODL. In that sense this topic could be worthwhile to discuss.

Was pornhub punished for its bitcoin adoption. Is tesla being punished now. Or were there other factors, history and forces in play which prove the conspiracy theories wrong.
2033  Economy / Economics / Re: Cathie Wood - Non Fungible Tokens (NFT) & Wallets will disrupt the markets on: March 04, 2021, 11:25:44 PM
Everyone tries to define reasons and motives behind NFTs being high priced. One possibility is them being fronts for criminal organizations to launder money. Another possibility is owners of NFT sites selling items from one account they own, to another account they own, to generate excitement in the hope whales will follow the trend and throw money at their overpriced goods. The third possibility is NFT being legit. Fourth option, a mixture of all the trends mentioned.

There is a lot of excitement surrounding crypto ATM. Many are looking to become involved in the hopes of profiting. Its not unlike the silicon valley dot com bubble. Hopefully everyone involved with NFT will be happy and satisfied with results of the landscape. But there is always a chance it could be a bubble.

I can't say I've heard of Cathie Wood. The stock market 2016 to 2020 was an easy era to profit. I think everyone who bought and held over that period make money. She seems to be an advocate of tesla and EVs. The next few years should be much more challenging.
2034  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How will Quantum computing affect Bitcoin? on: March 04, 2021, 10:51:00 PM
It has been explained to me, albeit, in layman's terms, that one of the reasons our modern cryptography works so well on classical computers is that they rely on prime factorization which classical computers don't do so well. This has been key to maintaining our computers and networks secured. One of the things Quantum computers do better than classical computers is prime factorization. How will the advent of Quantum computing impact cryptography? Will technologies like blockchains and bitcoin be affected?


AFAIK "classical computers" are optimized for multi tasking, user interface -- areas other than pure high speed number crunching. For these reasons an intel or AMD desktop CPU will emphasize integer (whole number) operations.

GPUs, ASICs and supercomputers are the opposite. Optimized for high speed, high accuracy, FLOP (non integer, floating point, fraction/decimal) calculation.

Quantum computers are essentially identical to "classical computers". The main difference is modern day computers operating on binary registers capable of representing only 0 and 1. While a quantum computer in theory is able to represent a far higher number of values to give it a greater bit density per register. Quantum computers might also have a higher clock speed. The only thing missing with quantum computers is a working prototype or proof of concept which proves the technology is viable and superior to existing tech in performance and cost effectiveness.

Quantum computers will be a danger to bitcoin the day people proclaim GPUs and ASICs obsolete and begin using quantum computers instead.

True quantum computers would be like people abandoning 8 track players for ipods. The advantages would be so obvious and pronounced it would make existing technology outdated. Until that happens quantum computers are nothing but a vaporware pipe dream.
2035  Economy / Economics / Could science fiction based carbon coins save our planet on: March 04, 2021, 10:39:35 PM
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The new currency in the novel Ministry for the Future has real-world supporters

By now we’re probably all familiar with the concept of carbon taxes. The idea is pretty simple: if we want less carbon to go into the atmosphere, we have to provide economic incentives to change behavior. Most mainstream economic proposals to tackle climate change are essentially ways of attaching a cost to carbon—one that approximates the toll each ton takes on the Earth.

But an idea literally straight out of a science fiction novel—though based on real research—might offer an even better incentive.

In his recent science fiction novel Ministry for the Future, Kim Stanley Robinson details a piece to the carbon equation that might be missing: a reward for doing the right thing. In the book, the leader of an international agency tasked with meeting the Paris Agreement goals works to persuade officials at central banks to support a new currency called the carbon coin.

The measure ultimately proves to be a pivotal force for moving the globe onto a path of reducing emissions. Each coin, a trackable digital currency, is produced when a ton of carbon is eliminated from the atmosphere—when, for example, oil companies leave their reserves in the ground, forests are re-established, or machines filter carbon from the air.

Though it may seem incongruous with our current economy, the carbon coin idea draws from real proposals aimed at creating a reward for reducing the risks of climate change. Some economists believe it could be an opportunity to supercharge efforts to save the planet in ways not possible with other more-accepted tools.

Robinson’s inspiration for the carbon coin draws from work by Delton Chen, a civil engineer and founder of the Global Carbon Reward Initiative. Chen’s policy proposal, the Global Carbon Reward, is a digital currency based on controlling carbon emissions. He envisions that an international body would create the coins, verifying that those vying for the currency are achieving the carbon reductions they claim. Chen says it would be kind of like a gold standard in that it’s backed by a physical reality—carbon dioxide reductions. The differences are that the currency would be entirely digital, and that its value would grow at a guaranteed rate over time.

Chen’s proposal for the Global Carbon Reward focuses on three main areas: the energy sector, businesses generally, and carbon dioxide removal. Each area has its own calculation for how people and corporations would be eligible to earn the coins, focused on how to provide a targeted reward for reducing or removing carbon emissions.

The general idea has popped up around the world under a few names. In Brazil, Alfredo Sirkis, the late executive director of think tank Centro Brasil no Clima, argued for the need for a policy of “positive pricing of carbon reduction.”

One way to think about the idea is a sort of targeted quantitative easing, which is when central banks, like the United States’ Federal Reserve, buy government bonds and inject new money into the economy, which lowers interest rates and stimulates borrowing and investment. It already happens as an emergency measure to avert financial devastation, such as in the 2008 economic crisis and more recently in 2020. Étienne Espagne, an economist at Agence Française de Développement, says that if newly-minted money was targeted at investing in low-carbon assets, it could make for an important climate incentive.

Proponents argue that a carbon coin system provides incentives in a way that’s simply not possible with taxes and other fee-based mechanisms. If you just use taxes, Espagne says that you run the risk of hurting the economy without offering much of an alternative to fossil fuel-intensive activities. He believes that a positive carbon reward would be a complement to taxes. A dual system of fees and incentives could both accelerate investment into lower carbon energy, infrastructure, and supply chains while making polluting activities less and less lucrative.

A carbon currency can also help switch the investment strategies of the large financial institutions currently funding fossil fuels. Chen’s proposed Global Carbon Reward would be a stable investment, likely attractive to retirement funds. If major pension funds and commercial banks shifted their investments, that would further weaken the fossil fuel industry. “Ten percent return with low risk is a good deal,” he says. “Private traders and pension funds will start buying the currency.”

From a big picture standpoint, carbon coins would address an aspect of economic decision-making that taxes currently don’t. Chen says it’s similar to getting car insurance. While your route from A to B is likely whichever has the shortest ETA on Google Maps, your decision to get car insurance isn’t really based on efficiency. Rather, it’s based on risk—the probability of an accident. A carbon currency would similarly be a sort of insurance against climate change—with every coin issued, that risk is lowered.

It’s not totally out of the purview of central banks to do something like this, Espagne says. A central bank’s job is largely to ensure that the financial system is stable. And climate change-fueled disasters can pose a risk to that stability. “And because of this systemic [climate change] risk in the financial system … you have a justification for a new role for central banks,” he says.

That doesn’t mean it’s an uncontroversial idea. For one, a new currency system is a unique proposal in and of itself. For another, proponents are essentially asking banks to support certain industries in favor of others—something finance officials might find distasteful. “In monetary policy central banks are formulating all of their policies on being market neutral, at least in theory,” Chen says. “They claim that they don’t want to distort the market by preferentially supporting one industry over another.”

In the future, Chen hopes to set up a demonstration of the currency with a willing government and central bank that will issue the digital coins. The demo would involve a number of climate mitigation projects and ideally serve as a proof of concept for carbon reduction-based currency. “When the world sees this, I think there will be a realization that we are making life hard for ourselves by relying too heavily on taxes and cap and trade and punitive measures,” he says. “We need this green financial stimulus that sends a strong market signal for the deep transition of the world economy.”

https://www.popsci.com/story/environment/carbon-coin-real/


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The basic concept of carbon coins proposed here are digital coins awarded to businesses, states and non profits via tons of carbon they prevent from being emitted into the atmosphere.

USA shut down 50+ coal power plants 2016 - 2020 which could make them eligible to receive carbon coins. Tesla, EV manufacturers, windmill and solar panel companies might also be eligible to receive carbon coins under this format.

Details under the proposal are left open ended. They could opt for a limited supply deflationary format like bitcoin. Or a more flexible arbitrary supply like ethereum. The implementation would probably be the most key aspect as to how effective/ineffective proposals like this are.

That said, is it possible a crypto currency equivalent could be in the works?

Could this concept work to improve environmental policy? What do people think?   Smiley
2036  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: UFC 259 - Predictions & discussion to matches w/odds added from different source on: March 04, 2021, 09:42:47 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SibRY9DdOvE
BJJ Scout: Dominick Cruz Study Part 2 - Footwork and Counter Strategy

Good coverage of the approach and methodology Dominick Cruz utilizes in MMA.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17bh1pskCVg
Abdulmanap Nurmagomedov’s words on Khabib’s retirement

In the interview above Khabib Nurmagomedov's father (R.I.P.) predicted Islam Makhachev would become 155 lb UFC champion sometime after Khabib retired. Which would prove the coaching and training that Khabib and Islam have had are the best in MMA. That is what is at stake in the Drew Dober vs Islam Makhachev fight.

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Does everyone here use bestfightodds to check stats?

https://www.bestfightodds.com/

2037  Economy / Economics / Re: The bond market affects Bitcoin on: March 03, 2021, 11:34:22 PM
To answer OP's question, I would recommend people look into the quantity of bonds owned by the federal reserve. The amount of QE stimulus liquidity the fed is injecting into banks in an effort to stabilize stocks and assorted markets. In addition to how much american debt is being amassed to bailout foreign banks and markets. It is also possible significant amounts of cryptocurrency are being swallowed up by QE trickle down buyouts from banks, hedge funds and other institutions.

Traditional observations of market behavior in stocks, bonds and other assets have not applied for some time now. There has been a divergence which appears to have gone unnoticed.
2038  Economy / Economics / Re: Coinbase valued at nearly 77 Billion in private markets on: March 03, 2021, 11:02:22 PM
Paypal's market cap is around $300 billion. Coinbase at $77 billion could be reasonable with cryptocurrencies future growth potential priced in. Coinbase is basically the crypto version of paypal. I would expect both assets to perform in similar fashion over the long term.

Bitmain tried for an $18 billion IPO back in 2018 which was cancelled. Then revived in 2019. Now I'm not certain what the status of it is.
2039  Economy / Economics / Re: Can the world be without poverty on: March 03, 2021, 10:39:00 PM
Economically, can there be a way people can live and no one will be poor?



This topic contrasts with ancient times when food productivity was dismally low. Sacrificing children to deities was commonly considered to be more humane than starvation. One reason infanticide and human sacrifice were so widely practiced in the distant past. Advancing technology multiplies human productivity. Making it possible to feed exponentially more people. Sustaining our massive population expansion, which would be impossible to support without modern technology to produce sufficient food. If technology and science continue to progress, productivity could theoretically increase to a point where poverty is eventually eliminated.

One scenario where poverty is eliminated is portrayed in star trek. They have "replicators" mounted on the walls of ships which can instantly produce food, equipment and machinery. Its one analogy for science boosting productivity to levels where no one lacks material goods, and poverty might be eliminated.
2040  Economy / Economics / Fake-branded bars slip dirty gold into world markets (2019) on: March 03, 2021, 09:45:59 PM
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LONDON (Reuters) - A forgery crisis is quietly roiling the world’s gold industry.

Gold bars fraudulently stamped with the logos of major refineries are being inserted into the global market to launder smuggled or illegal gold, refining and banking executives tell Reuters. The fakes are hard to detect, making them an ideal fund-runner for narcotics dealers or warlords.

In the last three years, bars worth at least $50 million stamped with Swiss refinery logos, but not actually produced by those facilities, have been identified by all four of Switzerland’s leading gold refiners and found in the vaults of JPMorgan Chase & Co., one of the major banks at the heart of the market in bullion, said senior executives at gold refineries, banks and other industry sources.

Four of the executives said at least 1,000 of the bars, of a standard size known as a kilobar for their weight, have been found. That is a small share of output from the gold industry, which produces roughly 2 million to 2.5 million such bars each year. But the forgeries are sophisticated, so thousands more may have gone undetected, according to the head of Switzerland’s biggest refinery.

“The latest fake bars ... are highly professionally done,” said Michael Mesaric, the chief executive of refinery Valcambi. He said maybe a couple of thousand have been found, but the likelihood is that there are “way, way, way more still in circulation. And it still exists, and it still works.”

Fake gold bars - blocks of cheaper metal plated with gold - are relatively common in the gold industry and often easy to detect.

The counterfeits in these cases are subtler: The gold is real, and very high purity, with only the markings faked. Fake-branded bars are a relatively new way to flout global measures to block conflict minerals and prevent money-laundering. Such forgeries pose a problem for international refiners, financiers and regulators as they attempt to purge the world of illicit trade in bullion.

High gold prices have triggered a boom in informal and illegal mining since the mid-2000s. Without the stamp of a prestigious refinery, such gold would be forced into underground networks, or priced at a discount. By pirating Swiss and other major brands, metal that has been mined or processed in places that would not otherwise be legal or acceptable in the West – for example in parts of Africa, Venezuela or North Korea – can be injected into the market, channeling funds to criminals or regimes that are sanctioned.

It is not clear who is making the bars found so far, but executives and bankers told Reuters they think most originate in China, the world’s largest gold producer and importer, and have entered the market via dealers and trading houses in Hong Kong, Japan and Thailand. Once accepted by a mainstream gold dealer in these places, they can quickly spread into supply chains worldwide.

Word of the forged bars began to circulate quietly in gold industry circles after the first half of 2017, when J.P. Morgan, one of five banks which finalize trades in the $10 trillion-a-year London gold market, found that its vaults contained at least two gold kilobars stamped with the same identification number, 10 people familiar with the matter told Reuters. Reuters couldn’t determine exactly where the vaults were.

J.P. Morgan declined to directly address questions about the fraudulent bullion, or comment on any of the details in this story. “It’s our standard practice to immediately alert the appropriate authorities and refineries should we discover mismarked gold kilobars during routine checks and procedures,” the bank said in a statement. “Fortunately, we have yet to have an incident resulting in a loss to the firm or a client.”

The Shanghai Gold Exchange, which regulates China’s gold market, said in a statement it was not aware of counterfeit bars being made in or transported through China. “The Shanghai Gold Exchange has established a thorough delivery and storage system. The process for gold (material) to enter the warehouse is strictly managed and in compliance with the regulations,” it said.

When others who store and trade such gold found forged bars, they returned them to the refiner concerned, some of whom have operations in Asia. Bars returned to Switzerland have been reported by refiners to the Swiss authorities who impounded them, refiners said.

Swiss Customs said 655 forged bars were reported in 2017 and 2018 to local prosecutors in Ticino, a region bordering Italy that contains three of Switzerland’s four large refineries. “In all cases the marking of the 1 kg bars were fake,” a Customs official said by email, without commenting further.

The public prosecutor in Ticino confirmed it had received three reports of gold bars with suspect serial numbers, but said it could not disclose more information. The police in Neuchatel, where Switzerland’s other large refinery is located, said neither it nor local prosecutors there had received reports of any forged bars. Switzerland’s Attorney General said its office was not concerned with the topic at present.

Refinery executives said forged bars had also been reported in other countries.

Golden years

The global financial crisis turbo-charged a boom in gold prices which has yet to abate.

HANDY FORMAT

Kilobars are small - around the size and thickness of a cellphone - unlike the roughly 12.5-kilo gold ingots typically stored in the vaults of the world’s central banks. Kilobars are the most common form of gold in circulation around the world, passing fluidly between banks, refineries, dealers and individuals. The identifying features stamped onto a bar’s surface include the logo of the refinery that made it, its purity, weight, and a unique identification number. Each one is worth around $50,000 at current prices.

In parts of Southeast Asia, it’s not uncommon for individuals to use gold instead of cash for big purchases such as real estate, bankers and analysts said. “It’s the only investment tool that goes from institutional investors like banks to the public and back again,” said an executive at a Swiss refinery.

In China, almost all exports of gold are banned as part of the country’s strict, longstanding controls on capital movements. That, market analysts say, has spurred demand among well-to-do Chinese who want to send money out of the country to find ways to smuggle it.

An estimated 400 to 600 tonnes of gold are snuck every year across the border from mainland China to Hong Kong in car boots and delivery vans, most of it in kilobars, said Cameron Alexander, head of precious metals research at consultants GFMS Refinitiv, which conducts detailed studies of global gold flows. Hong Kong Customs said it had received no complaints in the past decade about kilobars with forged trademarks.

Japan also has a long-established problem of gold smuggling in which the forged brands could be put to use, refinery executives said.

Swiss brands are not the only ones to have been pirated, but are the most targeted due to their global reach, executives said. Switzerland’s four largest refineries - Valcambi, PAMP, Argor-Heraeus and Metalor - process around 2,000-2,500 tonnes of gold a year, worth around $100 billion. Their trademarks are among the most common and trusted in the industry. PAMP and Metalor declined to comment on the record; Argor said there was always a risk brands would be counterfeited, and recommended people buy bars only from trusted distributors.

For recipients, the pirated bars pose a compliance threat: Anyone who holds such metal - including jewelers, banks and electronics firms - risks inadvertently violating global rules designed to keep metal of unknown or criminal origin out of circulation. The rules aim to staunch gold supplies that fund conflict, terrorism or organized crime, damage the environment or undermine national governments.

Governments in America and Europe are legislating to force banks and manufacturers of items such as jewelry and electronics to take more responsibility for their mineral suppliers. For example, a clause in the Dodd-Frank Act adopted by the United States obliges U.S. companies to disclose whether gold they use has come from countries in central Africa where it could have been mined to fund conflict.

Richard Hayes, chief executive of the Perth Mint in Australia, one of the world’s largest refiners, said his company had not encountered fraudulently branded Perth Mint kilobars. But, given the experience of other refiners, he has no doubt they are circulating.

“It’s a wonderful way of laundering conflict gold,” he said. “The gold is genuine, but it’s not ethically sourced ... They look completely genuine, they assay correctly, and they weigh correctly as well.”

The perfect appearance makes the bars highly effective. “Because gold is completely fungible,” Hayes said, “you can bleed it into genuine production. It’s very, very hard to control.”

J.P. Morgan supplies gold from major refiners for many of the world’s biggest banks, jewelers and investors, and the discovery of the forged bars in its vaults triggered a full review of the gold it held, market sources said. One said this sweep unearthed around 50 fraudulently-branded bars. Another said it found several hundred. J.P. Morgan did not comment.

People in the industry familiar with the matter said the number of forged bars, and their high quality, meant their production must be well organized. An analysis of the bars’ movements suggested they had been made in Asia, probably China, they said. But the gold in them could have been melted and re-melted after being mined anywhere.

J.P. Morgan responded to its discovery by deciding to stop buying any gold in Asia that had not come freshly made from a small clutch of refineries it trusted, five people familiar with the decision said. J.P. Morgan declined to comment.

Other banks have also restricted gold purchases in Asia, 15 people in the industry said. “Anything that has even the chance of being iffy they are not going to be involved in,” said Alexander, the analyst at GFMS Refinitiv.

Reuters approached five large banks that trade gold in Asia, several of which have vaulting facilities. HSBC declined to comment in detail but a spokesman said it only bought bars directly from a small group of refiners accredited, like the Swiss, by the London Bullion Market Association (LBMA). It said it had found no counterfeits. UBS did not comment on counterfeit bars, but said it only sells gold processed by LBMA-accredited refiners. Standard Chartered declined comment, saying “this is not an issue that affects us.” ANZ said it buys previously cast bars from “a select group of counterparties” and its policy, which had not been changed by the counterfeits, was to re-melt and recast them before selling them on. No one from ICBC Standard was available to comment.

THREE NINES

The number of fake bars being found has dropped since 2017. But refiners say the forgeries are becoming increasingly sophisticated, so the problem may have grown.

In 2017, Valcambi’s Mesaric said, hundreds of bars were found stamped with the same identification number. The bars’ markings also had spelling errors, flaws in logo images, or print that was too deep or shallow, other refiners said.

Today, the forgeries are more precisely made, using what appears to be sophisticated machinery, Mesaric said. There can still be giveaways, such as indentations from a robotic gripper or repeated imperfections in a cast mould. But these are easy to miss.

The most reliable way to identify the fakes is to test their purity. Gold is available on world markets in varying levels of purity: For professionally produced kilobars, the most common standard is 99.99% - known in the trade as “four nines.” An analysis of three counterfeit-branded bars by one Swiss refinery showed that two of them were 99.98% pure, and the third 99.90%.

Though short of legitimate professional standards, even that level of purity is difficult to achieve, and takes advanced equipment to detect.

Swiss Customs said of the 655 bars reported to local prosecutors in Ticino, the purity fell slightly below 99.99% in some cases.

“The level of counterfeit is becoming really good. Even for us it is hard to tell,” said a Swiss refinery executive who spoke on condition of anonymity. “They are, however, slightly less pure because the people doing the counterfeits don’t have the equipment we have.”

TAMPER-PROOF INK, MICROSURFACE SCANS

The refineries are responding to the problem with technology.

Metalor this year began to put spots of tamper-proof ink on its bars. Like the security features on banknotes, these display different features when viewed under certain light or through filters. PAMP and Valcambi perform a microsurface scan of their bars and supply machines or phone apps that can scan each one and verify whether their surfaces match the refinery’s records. Argor said its bars had various security features, but declined to elaborate for security reasons.

The LBMA, which accredits global refineries to vouch for the quality of their output, is drawing up standards for security features. It has also proposed a global database containing information about every kilobar produced, as a way of cross-checking the products to add an extra layer of security. “Any security feature can be duplicated that’s on the bar itself,” said the LBMA’s chief executive, Ruth Crowell.

But most of the refiners’ security features have only been introduced recently, and no database is planned until 2020 at the earliest.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-gold-swiss-fakes-exclusive-idUSKCN1VI0DD


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AFAIK this trend began pre 2019. With many arrests in 2021 being made in connection with criminals peddling counterfeit precious metals.

(For more information on arrests in 2021 in connection with counterfeit gold, keyword search: fake gold 2021)

The general consensus says gold is largely immune to devaluation and significant inflation.

Is it possible gold could be devalued to a degree if fears of counterfeit gold bars on markets became widespread and prevalent.

Might it be more accurate to label gold undervalued than devalued under such conditions.

Could BTC eventually emerge as a superior inflation protected asset in contrast to gold if counterfeit precious metal cases continue.
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