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3181  Bitcoin / Mining support / Re: 1THS Dragon Miner grossly underperforming on: December 25, 2014, 03:29:27 PM
I've never had hands on a Dragon or miners using that exact software setup, but I can't see any indication there that something is going wrong. I notice that your difficulty is down at 16, which should be increased to 512 or 1024 and might help some problems. Next step would be to try another of the big pools (btcguild) @ 1024 to see if you can't eliminate the pool.
3182  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Block Erupter Prisma (>=1.4 T/device, 0.75-0.78 W/G, <1 BTC/T, October Shipping) on: December 25, 2014, 03:26:19 PM
any updates on the returns?

I received a generous refund for both the unit and postage.
3183  Other / Meta / Re: Questions for CanaryInTheMine on: December 25, 2014, 03:25:50 PM
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=904408.0 Probably another case to review
3184  Other / Meta / Re: Spondoolies Spam on: December 25, 2014, 03:21:00 PM
I don't mind unlocking my thread, I primarily did it as a courtesy to Con and the forum. Discussion of the reviews hasn't transferred over to the main thread as I'd hoped though.

I'm pretty mixed on the whole thing. I don't think there needs to be 13 review threads in addition to all the others, and I am a little worried that it does set a bad precedent. On the other hand, while a lot of reviews were pretty similar, there were a good number that put a lot of effort into their and gave some good data; often more in depth in terms of things like efficiency curves than is available elsewhere. As a whole they did add value to the forum and are not just pointless spam like a lot of the sig campaign garbage.
If there was an elegant way to merge them I'd support that, but I can't think of a way to do it without it becoming a nightmare to read and follow.
Very nicely put and exactly what I've meant.
We don't want to spam Hardware. Yes, for few days, hardware was flooded with reviews.
Few days afterwards,  only the intersting stuff remains.

Dogie pressed the panic button too fast. My guess is that BitmainTech got nervous due to the immenet S5 launch.
They didn't want the SP20 reviews to spoil their (inferior IMHO  Wink) product launch.
The moderators are being used and doesn't exercise enough judgment here (I'm referring to posts that got reported and deleted in those threads)

Edit: We're at inherent disadvantage here. BitmainTech is paying a lot for ads and we don't.
Edit2: MrTeal, can you unlock your thread?

You can blame the 'spam' on users purposely spamming as to why those threads become what they become, but at the same time it doesn't change what the threads become. It was more than a WEEK after when I posted the screenshot that virtually every single SPTech thread was at the top of the front page, because the same few users kept bumping all of the threads at once.

I still don't think you understand why I argued that the practice was not a good thing. Its to retain that level playing field. How could a new or small company compete with a larger company giving $1000s and $1000s of products away so they can layer the front page? And on the flip side, you would have been complaining just as hard when larger companies were spamming even more threads than you could have. Bitmain could have posted literally 100s of threads if you had your way and review 'parties' were allowed. Its not a good practice, not a good idea and not something that should continue.... as you've said in private but seem to be saying the exact opposite in public.

Regarding your claims that you receive different admin policies to any other company because you don't spend on advertisement, please break that into a separate meta thread. Its a serious allegation and (if true), needs to be dealt with.

Regarding some of your posts being deleted, its because they often don't add information/content and are too short. You can't simply quote someone elses post and say "Thanks" when the post wasn't written towards you and you'd had no interaction with that thread beforehand. I have no say in this policy as its a policy and working standard of the forum which we all have to adhere to all the same. Again, if you feel like you're being singled out then you can post a meta thread so a tribunal of peers and admins can discuss the problem and if things need to change.
3185  Other / Meta / Re: Spondoolies Spam on: December 25, 2014, 03:10:42 PM
Some thoughts looking at Hardware page 1:

Bitmain have a thread for every model. The title says "announcement and support". There is a support section, so?

Spondoolies, apart from the reviews, have one thread plus an unoffficial model specific and the Legendary thread.

My suggestion is to have a model specific thread per model per manufacturer. Reviewers could post there. And if it turns into a support thread (which it will), so be it.

Guides how to do things belong in Support, IMHO.

One of the things /hardware is suffering from at the moment is that users are spilling out of different threads by asking too many questions. I tend to get flamed when posting that they'd be better off in the S2/S3/S4 threads etc, but that's where they belong. The whole point of these centralised support threads is it keeps the boards clean, reduces the time for a user to get support and centralises the knowledge base and information.

The solution is more timely moderation, but that's not really a solution in itself as there are only so many mods, so many hours they can spend on here. CK did a great job of helping to clean up things when he was made a mod.
3186  Other / Meta / Re: Spondoolies Spam on: December 25, 2014, 03:07:21 PM
I don't mind unlocking my thread, I primarily did it as a courtesy to Con and the forum. Discussion of the reviews hasn't transferred over to the main thread as I'd hoped though.

I'm pretty mixed on the whole thing. I don't think there needs to be 13 review threads in addition to all the others, and I am a little worried that it does set a bad precedent. On the other hand, while a lot of reviews were pretty similar, there were a good number that put a lot of effort into their and gave some good data; often more in depth in terms of things like efficiency curves than is available elsewhere. As a whole they did add value to the forum and are not just pointless spam like a lot of the sig campaign garbage.
If there was an elegant way to merge them I'd support that, but I can't think of a way to do it without it becoming a nightmare to read and follow.
By having 10 reviews (13?) from 10 long standing members of the community, the review process is much more decentralized then it is when we only have dogie's review, a "main" thread and little incentive for anyone else to create a meaningful review thread. IMO this gives potential customers the opportunity to see how well the machines work and can make an informed choice if they want to purchase.

I agree that whenever a new 'model' miner is released the mining subforum is going to be somewhat cluttered with that model's reviews. A simple solution would be to create two additional subforums - one for 'official' threads and one for customer reviews
I don't necessarily agree with Dogie essentially using the forum as a free for-profit review website and if I were the mods I would ban his in-thread banner ads, but (I assume) he gets his revenue because his threads get a lot of hits. If anyone else is interested, many of his reviews are very basic with not a lot of real content so there is much room to improve if anyone else is actually interested in putting in the work. There's a bunch questionable things with how he conducts himself (such as the veiled aggression towards companies who don't pay him or the whitewashing of the extremely sketchy behavior of HashCoins who are), but I don't see that as a reason to not let him post a thread per device. It's not like he's banning other reviews, other people just don't bother making them which you can hardly blame on dogie.

My setup guides act as a box to mining reference guide, they're not meant to be entirely exhaustive for 99.999% of people and anything and everything they could ever encounter towards that miner. Just because I don't publish pages and pages of test data doesn't mean its not being taken in different simulated environments and verified. That gets condensed into the miner specifications (as a validation of the manufacturer's rating), because 99% of users don't need raw data. I also don't think you understand the amount of time required to process that quality of photos.

Now, to answer your other concerns (which, including this discussion are heading towards OT-ness), there has to be a reason to post on the forums and keep things going. I could move my threads off site and monetise them there, but then that harms the community. The majority of the products I review in the modern market don't get close to paying for their time via the unit's value. Studios charge up to $1000 for the photography I do and up to $400 for the product 360s I've started doing when you put multiple products in at once. Tldr, expensive.

By offering exactly the same service to all manufacturers - big or small - it provides an even playing field which gives everyone to show off their wares in a sterile environment. Then, the review thread transforms into a setup guide, providing everything customer needs to go from box to mining. And then, if a customer falls into difficulty they can post their problems and they'll be dealt with as soon as I'm available. Advertising, (all $1000 of it a month...) helps pay for a portion of that environment and level playing field.

My threads are also published and then they drop off the 1st and 2nd pages until they are needed. When a customer has a problem, they post, I answer and it drops off again - they're not in the way unless they're being specifically utilised. If only one thread is being utilised, then only one thread is on the front page etc. That is different from posting 10-15 threads simultaneously and juggling to keep them all active at the top of the front page at once. Additionally, the majority of the traffic comes from Google searches, which brings external users onto the forums and keeps the ecosystem on bitcointalk healthy. The guides do not rely on the front page to garner views, hence some reviews with only a few replies have 1000s of views.

Now, to answer your other accusations - which should be in a scam accusation thread... can you provide an example company to which I show veiled aggression towards because they don't 'pay me'? I would also very much likely to highlight YOUR actions involving HashCoins, as I did nothing but provide a level playing field by not jumping to conclusions. In contrast, YOU decided that what they were doing was impossible, and so without proof YOU left them negative trust. Imagine if when you were establishing yourself [even though they have 9-12 months trading history...], someone else decided they didn't like what you were doing and dumped negative trust on you and called you a scammer - without giving them a chance to prove anything? You decided that they were a scam, until they could prove anything. You acted as prosecutor, judge, jury and executioner in one move. Now, are able to explain what I did (by saying don't jump to conclusions....) was so heinous?
3187  Other / Meta / Re: pics on imgur not showing in post on: December 25, 2014, 02:41:24 PM
imgur bypasses the proxy, so that might be why you're experiencing it only on imgur.
3188  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: ANTMINER S5: The New Standard, 0.51J/G, Shipping on Jan 4th [Sales Open] on: December 25, 2014, 02:20:28 PM
I think the next logical step for bitmain is to work hand in had with the developers of cgminer so that we can be able to switch off individual chips (that may be malfunctioning) via the webUI. Seeing the chip count per board (which can be up to 256) has gone up to 30, just shy of the S1 count by 2, despite a reasonable leap in the tech, I think the time is ripe for this kind of developement. At the moment, cgminer (or more likely their obfuscated, closed source PIC fimware) decides when to stop sending work to a chip, but I do not think it is as efficient as can be.

Also, now that bitmain have the new chip and have implemented the string design, I call upon bitmain to:
1. Provide an S3 / S1 upgrade kit to the S5
2. Start offering for sale the components of the (soon to be EOL'd S3), i.e the hashing and controller boards.

Happy XMas everyone - bitmain included!

Turning individual chips off is not a software or firmware based function, it requires expensive on PCB hardware to enable that.

Honestly, I am aware you get paid to respond in these threads, but the value in that lies in accurate responses not waffle.
Now, I'll ask you a straight question: Are you sure it can not be done in software or is that just some more waffle from you? (I know I have done exactly that on my S1 boards using my very own VB.Net miner) EDIT: Just in case you missed the punchline, it is for that reason that I made the suggestion in the first place, having seen the benefits thereof.

I'm not going to start another waffle thread with you again. You can look pages back regarding discussion on an S3 to S5 upgrade kit. tldr S3s are still viable, so it would make no sense to upgrade them today.
3189  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [Guide] Dogie's Comprehensive Bitmain AntMiner S2 Setup [HD] on: December 25, 2014, 02:18:14 PM
Online is a new version of firmware - https://bitmaintech.com/files/download/initramfs.bin.SD-20141029.tar.gz

Someone used it?

I'm curious also.  I've tried to upload it, but get an error when I try to flash it.  Anyone else have issues with it?

When you download the file and send it directly to the S2, you're getting an error? Don't extract it or anything beforehand. Can you screenshot the error please?

This is the error I get.

The S1 and S3 have .bin, and I noticed the S2 is a .tar.gz.  What am I missing?  I've been able to update my S1s and S3s with no problem.


I'm not sure what is going wrong here, but the S1 + S3 and S2 will have different firmware formats because S1 + S3 uses a proprietary controller while the S2 uses BBB architecture.

Okay.  This is interesting.  Am I missing a step? 

I download it directly from the website. 
I log into the miner
I go to the system page
Click upgrade tag
Choose File
Click Flash

then error.

What is the SD partition tool?  Is it needed?

Its to create a new SD card using someone elses .img file. If for whatever reason you can't get the upgrade to work, someone might be so kind as to upgrade then provide you a copy of their .img so you can write directly to your SD card.
3190  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: ANTMINER S4 Black Friday Deals 0.409USD/GH/s, FREE International Shipping on: December 25, 2014, 01:56:27 PM
my s4 antminer have just arrived a few hour ago and this is its status . is it ok?

[IMG]

thank you for everyone who answer my question about money tranfer and bitmain delivery a few day ago  Grin

It's not ok.
Your diff is not good (64) and your pool won't reward you correctly.
You must set the minimal difficulty to 2048 in your pool settings. If your pool doesn't allow that,
you have to change the pool for another one (bitminter, BAN, slush, ...)

now i try bitminter change difficulty to 2048 and diff is 2.05K is it correct?

Yes that's correct. In the future double check the hash rate displayed on your pool to make sure its the same or near enough what the miner is displaying. After all, what your pool displays is what you end up getting paid on.
3191  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [Guide] Dogie's Comprehensive Bitmain AntMiner S2 Setup [HD] on: December 25, 2014, 01:55:25 PM
Online is a new version of firmware - https://bitmaintech.com/files/download/initramfs.bin.SD-20141029.tar.gz

Someone used it?

I'm curious also.  I've tried to upload it, but get an error when I try to flash it.  Anyone else have issues with it?

When you download the file and send it directly to the S2, you're getting an error? Don't extract it or anything beforehand. Can you screenshot the error please?

This is the error I get.

The S1 and S3 have .bin, and I noticed the S2 is a .tar.gz.  What am I missing?  I've been able to update my S1s and S3s with no problem.

I'm not sure what is going wrong here, but the S1 + S3 and S2 will have different firmware formats because S1 + S3 uses a proprietary controller while the S2 uses BBB architecture.
3192  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: ANTMINER C1 Discussion and Support Thread on: December 25, 2014, 01:53:33 PM
Hi all!

Is this miner like de crazy s3 beeper of all beeps? i got s1 and beeps, s2 not much beeps, s3 is the king as it's waking me up in the night, few times/week!

I need a quiet miner for a family member with not so deep pockets and in need of heat!

Is this miner a beeper like s3?

Thank you!

I've never ever heard mine beep. And looking at my pictures, I don't think there even is a buzzer on them because they're BBB based.
3193  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: ANTMINER S5: The New Standard, 0.51J/G, Shipping on Jan 4th [Sales Open] on: December 25, 2014, 01:46:13 PM
Also, now that bitmain have the new chip and have implemented the string design, I call upon bitmain to:
1. Provide an S3 / S1 upgrade kit to the S5
<snip> ... </snip>

Were you even one of us that actually got an S1 upgrade kit (before they discontinued it in fairly short time, and are quite unlikely to offer again)? It did not include the enclosure panels OR the second fan, and was only BTC0.12 cheaper than an S3 complete package. Therefore, even if your S3 was only worth $50, it would still quite likely be a better net cost on the S5 purchase than an upgrade kit, going on precedence.

Everything he said was relevant and somewhat accurate, not sure why the retaliation...

I wonder, did you even read the original post ...? You missed the bit about the S1 to S5 kit.
So, in time honoured fashion, would you care to retrospectively apply your wisom on the worth / viability of that? Again, do not say it if you have nothing to say.

I don't see anything in the OP about S1 to S5 upgrade kits?  Huh
3194  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: ANTMINER S5: The New Standard, 0.51J/G, Shipping on Jan 4th [Sales Open] on: December 25, 2014, 01:42:15 PM
Bitmain is offering for sale 250 unit BULK LOTS of S3's...no word on exactly how many of these 100+Ths LOTS are available.

The fucking joke is on all of us who buy hardware at ludicrous rates that has already become gravy from the vendor.  It has become crystal clear that by the time Bitmain boxes these miners to ship (which they are also profiting from!) they may as well be throwing them away but why do that when there is an entire community of people with raging hardons to overpay for them!

S5's should cost AT MOST $150USD SHIPPED! This at least would give the buyers a *chance* to turn a reasonable profit.  They just simply are not going to hand over machines that are literally printing money when the fools (us) will wait, hat in hand.

Ultimately I believe this could be the fatal blow that kills BTC but Companies like Bitmain will have long cashed out and be driving Ferrari's by then.

Those bulk lots are often sold on behalf of customers, it doesn't mean they are owned by Bitmain.

You don't have to buy at any price or at all. If you don't like the offer, you're more than free to not accept it.
3195  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: ANTMINER S5: The New Standard, 0.51J/G, Shipping on Jan 4th [Sales Open] on: December 25, 2014, 01:41:01 PM
I think the next logical step for bitmain is to work hand in had with the developers of cgminer so that we can be able to switch off individual chips (that may be malfunctioning) via the webUI. Seeing the chip count per board (which can be up to 256) has gone up to 30, just shy of the S1 count by 2, despite a reasonable leap in the tech, I think the time is ripe for this kind of developement. At the moment, cgminer (or more likely their obfuscated, closed source PIC fimware) decides when to stop sending work to a chip, but I do not think it is as efficient as can be.

Also, now that bitmain have the new chip and have implemented the string design, I call upon bitmain to:
1. Provide an S3 / S1 upgrade kit to the S5
2. Start offering for sale the components of the (soon to be EOL'd S3), i.e the hashing and controller boards.

Happy XMas everyone - bitmain included!

Turning individual chips off is not a software or firmware based function, it requires expensive on PCB hardware to enable that.
3196  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: ANTMINER S5: The New Standard, 0.51J/G, Shipping on Jan 4th [Sales Open] on: December 25, 2014, 01:36:15 PM
So distribution in EU from Switzerland would only encounter the extra warehousing cost from Switzerland.

Vat only becoming chargeable if they are exported to the EU.

So Bitmain or a third party could Host miners in Switzerland?

If you're moving them to Switzerland just to host, why wouldn't you just host in CN or buy cloud mining (HashNest etc)?
3197  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: ANTMINER S5: The New Standard, 0.51J/G, Shipping on Jan 4th [Sales Open] on: December 25, 2014, 01:28:25 PM
How do the S5 customers feel regarding the fact that BITMAIN is testing tons of miners on the live network right before shipping? I see a sharp rise in the difficulty right after the S5 announcement.
This is a pretty big leap in logic detective.  But let's assume they are "testing" before shipping.  As long as they ship when they say are going to (unlike BFL, KNC, etc), I have no problem with this.  I would rather they run it for a few days.  Fewer duds get shipped that way.

That was coming from a SpondooliesTech group buy organiser, of course he's going to accuse Bitmain of XYZ....

"omg miners are untested"
"omg hashrate went up, its definitely bitmain"
"omg why are you testing miners"

 Roll Eyes
3198  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: ANTMINER S5: The New Scamtard, 0.51J/G, Shipping on Jan 4th - teehee on: December 25, 2014, 01:22:35 PM
'absolutely promising chip in world'...

this is yet another long scam by serial scammers

!!BUYERS BEWARE!!

be advised these scammers are well known to employ Multiple shills & sock puppet accounts promoting their dangerous hardware & exploitative vaporware

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYMD_W_r3Fg



What is the scam? I realize that the string design is a big risk and the price is too high for current difficulty. But people should  know this and if they choose to buy that is their risk. Right?  Huh

Just ignore him. He's angry at Bitmain because an admin deleted some of his posts.
3199  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: ANTMINER S5: The New Standard, 0.51J/G, Shipping on Jan 4th [Sales Open] on: December 25, 2014, 01:20:57 PM
Employ a single person without an office and company to act as middleman? Not sure if it's against the law, but there's still cost of salary + cost of shipping miners to that person.
Having the miners go to EU by ship? Maybe, but you will get your miners 1 month later than everyone else.
The cost of shipping large batches of goods should be significantly lower than if you ship separate packages to separate people...

Loading up LD3 containers is always cheaper than UPS.  I am surprised Bitmain (or other suppliers) don't do this.  

By the way, I used to pay over $1,000,000 a year to UPS for shipping, so I know how low they can go.   UPS can never ship 100 shipment (with 100 customs clearances - the real hidden cost in all of this) cheaper than 1 air freight shipment with 1 customs clearance (with the same amount of goods as the 100 orders).  

Personally, I think BitMain just focuses on other things and hasn't put the energy into making this happen (which is fine if they have more pressing things).  However, if you can move weight, air freight then UPS (or whoever) to deliver in country will always be cheaper.  I havnt looked into prices lately, but our rate was about $900 for each LD3 moving 1/3 of the way around the globe.  This is for 1500 KG, so you are talking about $2.00 to ship a S5 across the world.  UPS will not move a S5 any distance for $2.00, let alone across the world.  

BitMain - I or someone else can make it happen, look into it!! Smiley

Its not in the best interests of the customer. I ran the numbers and you can fit about 200 S1s into a fully laden LD3, which is ~800-900kg. Its highly unlikely that any country will have 200 of anything going to it on the same day, so customer orders would then have to be held. Once it arrived in the destination country, it would then have to be delivered to another national warehouse, where its emptied and individual boxes are relabelled, and then reshipped. The turnaround would take 1.5-2.5 days depending on courier pickups, for the boxes to re-enter the courier network. Then, Bitmain has to pay to have them shipped a second time.

So you've said $2 per S5 for 1/3 of the way round the world.
Fixing your size estimations to actually make them fit, it becomes $6 per unit.
Fixing your destination so they actually arrive in the right country becomes $10 per unit.
Fixing your speed of delivery to match UPS becomes $20 per unit.
Having units delivered to a national warehouse, handled and relabelled becomes $26 per unit.
Then handing each unit back to an air courier once in the destination country (for the US) or by express land) becomes $40-55 per unit.
This all assumes you've got 100% occupancy and on every single day or near enough you can fill an LD3 per country.

Meanwhile, you just increased the time of delivery to the customer by 4-7 days.
3200  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: ANTMINER C1 Discussion and Support Thread on: December 25, 2014, 01:02:59 PM
Does voltage changing should change power consumption? This is not present in my case.

Not on all S3s, and probably on even less C1s. They don't all have variable voltage control.
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