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There are a few very outspoken anti bitcoin members in this very forum. But spending at least 15 hours a day in this forum bad-mouthing something they apparently hate, one has to ask what is their real aim in being here. So it would be great if we could have more data about those people.
This leads me to asking, does anyone know if as a result this last hack some user data of this forum is already downloadable somewhere?
I guess seeing some email and/or IP addresses could probably reveal their real mission. I mean, just image we would a bunch of paypal addresses.
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It is just that. It would be the most restrictive license yet used for anything required. If this was brought in, anyone distributing binaries will also have to make available the source code to the Qt that they used for example or not bundle it. Wxwidgets made sure those conditions did not apply to derived works distributed in binary form. The creators of Qt got dragged a bit towards it even being as unrestricted as the LGPL in the beginning. I had noticed that the licenses picked so far are all much less restrictive and had thought that was a deliberate choice to keep the software free to more uses without the burdens of the GPL I can't imagine a better way to keep the software freer than with the likes of the GPL, but I suppose that's beyond the point. If copyleft should work its way into the main branch, as it might with the inclusion of Qt, folks who don't like it can just work with their own non-copyleft branch. Actually I can't imaging someone wants a closed source bitcoin client - the only advantage of not using GPL. As a side effect of using GPL all bitcoin forks would stay open source too, which is not necessary with MIT/BSD. Looking at Linux, GPL did not prevent it from being used commercially, in contrast, it enabled it reaching from smartphones to supercomputers. GPL software is never open source. It is always free, which is the whole point of the license. Well, it depends on your definition of the term "open source". These days this usually means an OSI http://www.opensource.org/ approved license. |
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I am just trying to offer technical analysis to help people making informed bitcoin trading decisions .
typically , this forum is biased with UP UP UP talks (see Bruce ...)
You must be new to this very forum  At least half of the messages in here are "crash", "sell" and "bitcoin is worthless", in other words it seems a lot of people try to drive the price down. |
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Sent, but my outbox shows no sent messages.
If you want the message to be copied to your outbox you have to check the checkbox. |
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So what if he purposefully scammed desperate and vulnerable people who were about to lose their homes out of the last of their savings?
So what if he regularly moves states owing small fortunes in rent for business and personal property in his wake?
So what if he sexually abuses vulnerable young males in Pattaya?
So what if he may have had something to do with the MyBitcoin scam?
So what if he is about to scam lots of people out of money for 'charity' (lol)
Bruce Wagner is a pure Libertarian God, and he is living the Libertarian dream.
We need more liars, thieves and scammers like him in the bitcoin community. As he is one of the biggest known scammers in the community, he is the perfect spokesperson for Bitcoin.
You know, envy is one of the seven deadly sins. |
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Can you give me some watch access to the account first?
Sure thing, want to post instructions? I haven't explored how to do that. Login to mtgox. Click the account name in the right top corner. Click on "Application and API access" There is a box named "Application access" Select the required rights (at least "get_info") Click "create key" Now you have some QR code on the screen. PM me a screen shot containing the QR code. It would also work using the alphanumeric code, however I don't want to enter such a long thing on the phone. |
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So I would love to get the ball rolling. Basically if you're interested in being a first-mover on this, here's what I'd like to do. -I am only going to accept deposits between .25 and 10 BTC - Anything more or less and I will return it -You MUST email me at TheBTCTrader@gmail.com with the address you sent from and the quantity or I will return your BTC -For these beginning days, I will not have a withdrawal period...basically if you feel uncomfortable, shoot me an email and I'll send your BTC back Here is the address: 1Krw1p1TDdv5hJcCAqCJA54VRyrQNUzZts You need some other type identifying people as transactions are public http://blockexplorer.com/address/1Krw1p1TDdv5hJcCAqCJA54VRyrQNUzZtsNow I just wait for some transactions to appear and then I tell you it was me Interesting, here's a workaround: -You must tell me before sending BTC. I will verify time stamps. If not, I'll be returning BTC to the address it came from. I think it is easier to just give you a mtgox redeemable code. Once you have redeemed it, you post an acknowledge message here that includes the actual code. That way we produce some public track about the whole thing. Can you give me some watch access to the account first? |
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So I would love to get the ball rolling. Basically if you're interested in being a first-mover on this, here's what I'd like to do. -I am only going to accept deposits between .25 and 10 BTC - Anything more or less and I will return it -You MUST email me at TheBTCTrader@gmail.com with the address you sent from and the quantity or I will return your BTC -For these beginning days, I will not have a withdrawal period...basically if you feel uncomfortable, shoot me an email and I'll send your BTC back Here is the address: 1Krw1p1TDdv5hJcCAqCJA54VRyrQNUzZts You need some other type identifying people as transactions are public http://blockexplorer.com/address/1Krw1p1TDdv5hJcCAqCJA54VRyrQNUzZtsNow I just wait for some transactions to appear and then I tell you it was me |
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If there is going to be ties with Magical Tux and MtGox, I'll genuinely consider being a customer.
What I want Mt. Gox to do is create something similar to this: www.currensee.com-The above is a company which created a "Facebook" of traders with real accounts -The best of the best are allowed to manage others' money -The traders keep a 20% performance fee and the company keeps 2% of the profits Basically Mt. Gox creates a "manager" account type with this stuff programmed in so that I can focus on trading and not this type of thing. I think the whole system would be doable as a separate website using various mtgox technologies like redeemable codes and account api. But for now it has to be done "within" mtgox because otherwise there would be an issue with trust. |
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MTGOX-BTC-SWH2T-X2ZZP-7SLGS-27F46
I have an excellent question: why do you post a MtGox redeemable code in the forum? |
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You mean once you have multiple clients?
Yeah, basically I have no motivation to get into something that I can't leverage and grow. If I can only do this for a max of X clients, then I don't think it's worth our time. Great plan. Now we have the risk on the client (my) side. What if you just withdraw the investment, either in the invest phase, or after the trade cycle.
This is where I want to work with Magical Tux and the community to get a solution. The best way I can see is to only allow transfers to addresses which make deposits. But the fault of this is what if I make a deposit myself and transfer to that address? In an ideal world I would program in total percent return of the account per investment cycle and at the end of that cycle, no account can withdraw more than their initial balance +/- the percent return of the account times their deposit. In the real world, I think we are going to have to start small and build trust. I would love the opportunity to start with a few coins from a few people and begin posting regular profit or loss on these coins. What we need is just some option that requires both parties to agree to the actual withdraw, no withdraw without it. We have to ask Mark about this. BTW, I want to be able to observe the whole thing. In other word, I want to be able to log in and watch your trades. Once your business has grown and earned trust, I am sure, you can trade on your own . So that could mean you giving my mtgox mobile "watch" access. |
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It is just that. It would be the most restrictive license yet used for anything required. If this was brought in, anyone distributing binaries will also have to make available the source code to the Qt that they used for example or not bundle it. Wxwidgets made sure those conditions did not apply to derived works distributed in binary form. The creators of Qt got dragged a bit towards it even being as unrestricted as the LGPL in the beginning. I had noticed that the licenses picked so far are all much less restrictive and had thought that was a deliberate choice to keep the software free to more uses without the burdens of the GPL I can't imagine a better way to keep the software freer than with the likes of the GPL, but I suppose that's beyond the point. If copyleft should work its way into the main branch, as it might with the inclusion of Qt, folks who don't like it can just work with their own non-copyleft branch. Actually I can't imaging someone wants a closed source bitcoin client - the only advantage of not using GPL. As a side effect of using GPL all bitcoin forks would stay open source too, which is not necessary with MIT/BSD. Looking at Linux, GPL did not prevent it from being used commercially, in contrast, it enabled it reaching from smartphones to supercomputers. |
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a NEW SHOW!!
Just watched it. This lawyer seems to really knows bitcoin, monetary laws and stuff. Excellent show. |
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So using currently available things it would work like this:
You need an Android phone/tablet to access my mtgox account with restricted rights (trade only). Having only the trade right you can sell/buy but not withdraw. The Android app is linked with your phone and is activated by a code generated by me after logging in with my yubikey.
So my basic problem with this setup is: -My motivation in this is performance commission - What if I have a successful cycle and participants refuse to pay performance fees. -I need to know my "account balance" so I can know how to best trade the markets and manage risk What do you mean? The mtgoxmobile app is a full featured trading client, it has all the functions of the mtgox website. -I don't want to spend the time accessing X number of accounts to enter a trade. By the time I do that, my average cost could be awful.
You mean once you have multiple clients? Here is my desired setup:
-An account at Mt. Gox which is open to transfers for a day or two every two weeks
-I trade this account and collect a performance fee at the end of two weeks (on a high-water mark...I must make a profit for you or I don't get paid)
-At the end of an investment cycle, you can withdraw or deposit
-I want Magical Tux to freeze the account to transfers during an investment cycle
Now we have the risk on the client (my) side. What if you just withdraw the investment, either in the invest phase, or after the trade cycle. |
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Using the mobile app it would already work without MagicalTux doing anything. You have an android phone?
I actually do not have an Android phone. I didn't need to check my email at stoplights anymore so I got rid of my smartphone. So using currently available things it would work like this: You need an Android phone/tablet to access my mtgox account with restricted rights (trade only). Having only the trade right you can sell/buy but not withdraw. The Android app is linked with your phone and is activated by a code generated by me after logging in with my yubikey. 10 bitcoin sounds reasonable. I tempted to try it.
Yeah so I'm a firm believer in being a steward of little and I understand that trust is earned. I agree. |
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Yeah I definitely come from the regulated markets / regulated currencies so the constant fear of scam is something I'm not quite used to.
That mobile app is certainly a good idea, I'd need to look into it. I'd prefer to do it the simple way and in the forum publicly request Magical Tux to lock the account for withdrawing as well as copy and paste an email sent to him requesting the same. Basically I'd love for the operational risk/back-office functions to be out of my hands as much as possible.
And in terms of building a track-record...I'm considering limiting the max deposit to 10 bitcoin for the first investment cycle or two.
The purpose of this thread is to see if this is worth our time.
Using the mobile app it would already work without MagicalTux doing anything. You have an android phone? 10 bitcoin sounds reasonable. I tempted to try it. |
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Actually I could be interested in such a service, albeit from someone with an excellent reputation and real name/address.
żBruce then maybe? LOL maybe S3032?
But we would only look into this once we would be registered as an official hedge fund, and we would provide full disclosure and transparency. Any time frame on this? BTW, there should be two quite different models: maximize fiat vs maximize bitcoins. |
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So how to you know that Bruce didn't have good intentions, but failed? I don't know Bruce any better than you, but if I had to judge from the what I have seen on his shows and read on this forum and so on, I would guess that Bruce just overestimated himself, and failed.
Could not name to the court even _ONE_ customer he helped, but claimed to have had successes when taking customers' money. If it was just an issue of overestimation? Taking on too much work? Getting overwhelmed? Well, he would have helped -some-, just nowhere near as high a percentage as a properly functioning business would. The only way you run a business for several months and take money from every single customer but do not provide a service to _EVEN ONE_ customer... is if you didn't plan to provide service. Or if you got hit by a tornado or some shit, of course, but that isn't what Bruce claimed happened. Well, what happens in court has seldom anything to do with what happened in reality. It is all about lawyers bending the story in their favor. So even when we have the court papers, we don't know the truth. So basically you just refuse to believe anything that contradicts your personal views? No, but I know about a few cases, know some lawyers, know some judges, know some victims, even know some criminals. |
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Well, what happens in court has seldom anything to do with what happened in reality. It is all about lawyers bending the story in their favor. So even when we have the court papers, we don't know the truth.
This is so dumb that I experienced a sharp pain in my head, similar to eating too much ice cream at once, from reading your post. Welcome to the real world. Yes I know it can be cold outside |
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