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341  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Hedge Fund on: September 08, 2011, 10:05:43 PM
One possible way would be, you using the mtgox mobile app. One can specify the right for get_info, trade, deposit, withdraw, merchant using some checkbox for each smartphone.
So you would have no withdraw right, but you could trade as you think.
342  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The Bitcoin Show on OnlyOneTV.com on: September 08, 2011, 10:01:06 PM
So how to you know that Bruce didn't have good intentions, but failed? I don't know Bruce any better than you, but if I had to judge from the what I have seen on his shows and read on this forum and so on, I would guess that Bruce just overestimated himself, and failed.

I think the fact that the judgement remains unpaid says much about Bruce's intentions.
Did it contain compensation for the victims? Otherwise it is the same as an unpaid speeding ticket from some different state year ago - no need to pay.
343  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The Bitcoin Show on OnlyOneTV.com on: September 08, 2011, 09:58:12 PM
So how to you know that Bruce didn't have good intentions, but failed? I don't know Bruce any better than you, but if I had to judge from the what I have seen on his shows and read on this forum and so on, I would guess that Bruce just overestimated himself, and failed.

Could not name to the court even _ONE_ customer he helped, but claimed to have had successes when taking customers' money.

If it was just an issue of overestimation? Taking on too much work? Getting overwhelmed? Well, he would have helped -some-, just nowhere near as high a percentage as a properly functioning business would. The only way you run a business for several months and take money from every single customer but do not provide a service to _EVEN ONE_ customer... is if you didn't plan to provide service. Or if you got hit by a tornado or some shit, of course, but that isn't what Bruce claimed happened.
Well, what happens in court has seldom anything to do with what happened in reality. It is all about lawyers bending the story in their favor. So even when we have the court papers, we don't know the truth.
344  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The Bitcoin Show on OnlyOneTV.com on: September 08, 2011, 09:41:00 PM
I could argue that you traveling back in time (at least before 2003), as as illegal as Bruce, depending on the US state you are in. You could have ended up in prison back in those years. So why do you value his past that much?

Because I worked for several years at a legitimate debt management firm. We routinely had customers in foreclosure come in for help, but they had already paid their money to one of Bruce's copycats. By the time they realized there would be no help they had $3,000 less and were 3 or 4 mortgage payments behind, not 1. I and my coworkers had to watch several families a month become homeless because of those scams. And that was before the securities bubble burst. It was much worse after that.

When you have a mother and father of three children walk in the door terrified about what will happen to their kids if they lose the home and you take an amount of money that could have covered them moving into a cheaper apartment, and sit back and watch them lose their home, you are a fucking asshole, end of story. The owner of the company I worked for was one of the greediest people I know and HE didn't even try charging people fees when they were in such dire straits. We'd usually negotiate a vastly reduced fee, to be paid months or even a couple years down the road after they were on better footing, and even then we usually took a loss.

The very fact he was going after people who had foreclosure notice means he knew for a fact every victim coming in the door would be seriously harmed when nothing was done to help them. The people walking into his office were people about to lose their homes.
So how to you know that Bruce didn't have good intentions, but failed? I don't know Bruce any better than you, but if I had to judge from the what I have seen on his shows and read on this forum and so on, I would guess that Bruce just overestimated himself, and failed.
345  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The Bitcoin Show on OnlyOneTV.com on: September 08, 2011, 09:32:58 PM
BTW: for those of you "old" enough: there where quite a few threads some month ago, how we could convince international drug dealers, the mafia and other criminals and black markets to use bitcoin. Now we have our little Brucey and everyone screams. But compared with the wished ones, I say Bruce is the father, son and holy spirit combined.
346  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The Bitcoin Show on OnlyOneTV.com on: September 08, 2011, 09:20:54 PM
I've never been arrested, I have no criminal record, I have never been sued successfully or otherwise, and I have never been a suspect in a crime. Bruce, on the other hand...
Wow! So how can it then be that some apparently convinced fraudster was able to significantly broaden the bitcoin economy, while you only work on damaging it?


In your opinion. Considering I've gotten multiple people into it and someone setting up a bitcoin-related business is planning to hire me to write code for it, I'd say I've actually done something.

Your claim that I am "damaging" it, though? Well, let's see. Your argument is I'm damaging it by, um... What. Oh, that's right! Exposing Bruce as a scammer and providing proof, so that people won't fall for his next scam.

Gee, how horrible a person I am that I traveled back in time and planted false evidence against Bruce in a court archive JUST so I could point at that after Bitcoin came out.
I could argue that you traveling back in time (at least before 2003), are as illegal as Bruce, depending on the US state you are in. You could have ended up in prison back in those years. So why do you value his past that much?

Wow! So how can it then be that some apparently convinced fraudster was able to significantly broaden the bitcoin economy, while you only work on damaging it?
I'll give you that, he was great at evangelising. Bitcoin is quite a complicated thing for the layman to understand, but he had a way with words. He always used to explain how easy the whole process was to beginners, you just had to go to mybitcoin.com and press "register"...
I think Bruce didn't know better. As one can tell from his shows, he is very ungeeky regarding computer stuff (and microphones BTW Smiley )

Edit: typo
347  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The Bitcoin Show on OnlyOneTV.com on: September 08, 2011, 09:07:29 PM
Difference between Bruce and some certain bitcointalk members:

Bruce
 is always optimistic, has positive energy and forward looking
 does something by himself, is active - the bitcoin show, bitcoin conference(s)
 tries to evangelize bitcoin, convinces shops to accept bitcoins

Certain bitcointalk members
 are always destructive, suspects everyone being a scammer
 are passive, see everything as bad
 wait until others do something
 badmouth bitcoin
 
So looking at the above comparison, I say, for the value of my own bitcoins and the whole bitcoin economy, I rather get rid of the BlockHashes, Colargols and wolftaurs (so to speak) than Bruce

I've never been arrested, I have no criminal record, I have never been sued successfully or otherwise, and I have never been a suspect in a crime. Bruce, on the other hand...
Wow! So how can it then be that some apparently convinced fraudster was able to significantly broaden the bitcoin economy, while you only work on damaging it?
348  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Hedge Fund on: September 08, 2011, 09:06:52 PM
Actually I could be interested in such a service, albeit from someone with an excellent reputation and real name/address.


żBruce then maybe?
LOL

maybe S3032?
349  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The Bitcoin Show on OnlyOneTV.com on: September 08, 2011, 09:01:59 PM
As for a commercial on TV when I buy a car, I always look at the company that I'm going to do business with and their reputation. Just because they haven't personally scammed or cheated me, doesn't mean it can't or won't happen and vigilance has kept it from happening to me and my friends. This has nothing to do with his private life and everything to do with his public and business life, period.
And the car company in this example would be bitcoin itself. You don't have BW client running on your computer. It is bitcoin that you have to thrust. You don't have to thrust the speaker of their commercials (BW).
So yes, examine the source code of the Bitcoin software. Check that there is no bad code in there, and so on. But BW? Why?
350  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The Bitcoin Show on OnlyOneTV.com on: September 08, 2011, 08:55:20 PM
Difference between Bruce and some certain bitcointalk members:

Bruce
 is always optimistic, has positive energy and forward looking
 does something by himself, is active - the bitcoin show, bitcoin conference(s)
 tries to evangelize bitcoin, convinces shops to accept bitcoins

Certain bitcointalk members
 are always destructive, suspects everyone being a scammer
 are passive, see everything as bad
 wait until others do something
 badmouth bitcoin
 
So looking at the above comparison, I say, for the value of my own bitcoins and the whole bitcoin economy, I rather get rid of the BlockHashes, Colargols and wolftaurs (so to speak) than Bruce
351  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The Bitcoin Show on OnlyOneTV.com on: September 08, 2011, 08:43:21 PM
Why are you so obsessed with Bruce?

Why are you and Rassah etc. so obsessed with defending him?  If you don't want to join in any boycott then why keep posting instead of moving on?
Did you see me defending him? I just don't care about his private life. And thus I just don't understand why you are so obsessed destroying him. I mean sure you could boycott meze grill, but didn't you notice that without Bruce you wouldn't even know what the hell a meze grill is?
I think Bruce is an asset, he successfully convinced quite a few stores to accept bitcoins. He makes a funny little show I like to watch, and there is no other show. Bruce is one of our PR instruments. You are actively destroying this. As I own bitcoins you are also destroying my PR instrument.

You his buddies?
Sorry, not gay Wink
352  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Hedge Fund on: September 08, 2011, 08:30:19 PM
Actually I could be interested in such a service, albeit from someone with an excellent reputation and real name/address.
353  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The Bitcoin Show on OnlyOneTV.com on: September 08, 2011, 08:22:19 PM
Honestly, I think half the posters on this thread deserve to be ripped off out of every last dime they have. The stupidity is astounding.
I concur. For example, everyone that was stupid enough to use mybitcoin. I mean what is the sense of a distributed currency when you store it centrally - plain stupid. And everyone that think that Bruce rapes children because he fucks 20+ year old "boys" in Thailand - plain stupid. And of course, everyone that send bitcoins to Bruce - why should I thrust anyone but me? This list could go on and on.

"Oh, it was years ago." Yes, people. Conveniently forget the CURRENT, ACTIVE case in New York. If I recall right that one is an over half a million dollar judgment.
And why should I care? Would I send him my bitcoins/money. No! So why should I care?
Maybe you have an unpaid speeding ticket - probably we should hang you on the next tree. No? Exactly! Why should we care?

Jesus Christ people. Stop apologizing for the criminal. This is what's going to kill bitcoin. How many of you are absolute fucking idiots.
I am starting to believe you hate him so much, because since we have Bruce you are no longer the only gay in bitcoin town.


Because unpaid parking tickets are exactly like multi-million dollar mortgage scams, among other things.

Could be, but what diffidence does it make for you? Are you going to make some business with Bruce? Are you going to marry him? What else? So why should we care? I mean we "use" him as a sort of bitcoin advertising spokesman. Now, when you saw that tv commercial of that car that you own, did you start caring about the private life of the person in there? Did you try to find out everything about this stranger? No? So why Bruce? Why are you so obsessed with Bruce?
354  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The Bitcoin Show on OnlyOneTV.com on: September 08, 2011, 07:57:29 PM
Honestly, I think half the posters on this thread deserve to be ripped off out of every last dime they have. The stupidity is astounding.
I concur. For example, everyone that was stupid enough to use mybitcoin. I mean what is the sense of a distributed currency when you store it centrally - plain stupid. And everyone that think that Bruce rapes children because he fucks 20+ year old "boys" in Thailand - plain stupid. And of course, everyone that send bitcoins to Bruce - why should I thrust anyone but me? This list could go on and on.

"Oh, it was years ago." Yes, people. Conveniently forget the CURRENT, ACTIVE case in New York. If I recall right that one is an over half a million dollar judgment.
And why should I care? Would I send him my bitcoins/money. No! So why should I care?
Maybe you have an unpaid speeding ticket - probably we should hang you on the next tree. No? Exactly! Why should we care?

Jesus Christ people. Stop apologizing for the criminal. This is what's going to kill bitcoin. How many of you are absolute fucking idiots.
I am starting to believe you hate him so much, because since we have Bruce you are no longer the only gay in bitcoin town.
355  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Hedge Fund on: September 08, 2011, 07:45:22 PM
Exaggerated example trade:
-Customers deposit 1k bitcoins in July
-I think it's a good short, so I sell all their bitcoins into USD -> $15,000
-I think $5 is a good buy, so I trade all their USD into bitcoins -> 3k bitcoins
-Customers want their bitcoin back - I take 10% of their profits: 300 bitcoin; customers receive 2.7k bitcoins

Because that would be only 2k profilt (3k - 1k), you shouldn't you take only 200 coins?
356  Economy / Currency exchange / Re: Newbie needs coins ASAP [WTB] on: September 08, 2011, 07:04:11 PM
It is not exactly market price, but I think at http://www.btcnow.net/ you can still buy coin using your credit card.
357  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The Bitcoin Show on OnlyOneTV.com on: September 08, 2011, 06:44:53 PM
ok..

After my last post I thought about something..

Would you trust someone who's stole/made bad money choices in the past to hold onto a charity bank book ?


Thought so
 

And yet people still send millions to Red Cross...

And probably even more to their respective churches...
358  Economy / Gambling / Re: 40.5 BTC randomly appeared in my account?! on: September 08, 2011, 06:23:59 PM
http://www.bitlotto.com/
are you the winner?
359  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The Bitcoin Show on OnlyOneTV.com on: September 08, 2011, 06:18:18 PM
ok..

After my last post I thought about something..

Would you let someone who sexually assaulted kids work in a school ?
Would you let someone addicted to drugs work in a chemist ?
Would you trust someone who's stole/made bad money choices in the past to hold onto a charity bank book ?


Thought so

And before anyone says it "No I am not a 13 year old hacker" "And I don't have a SA account"

Because I don't agree with Bruce I must be a 13 yr old hacker trying to discredit him.


Oh btw the first 2 had nothing to do with Bruce. It was just there as an example.  

A how is this related to some guy that makes some show on youtube?
360  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The Bitcoin Show on OnlyOneTV.com on: September 08, 2011, 06:11:50 PM
Bruce has some great ideas!

Like in his last show from Tokyo when he suggested a Bitcoin charity - We send him the coins, then he donates it directly to the orphanages he works with in the Far East. I can't see how anyone could possibly disagree with a kindhearted chap like that! Truly, the first BitSaint of our age. Satoshi be praised!

Yes, let's let someone who has been recently commanded to pay several hundred thousand dollars in judgments, someone who has been nailed for fraud in a court of law multiple times, hold charity payments in "escrow." That can't possibly go wrong.

IIRC, funds where in Roger Vers (memorydealers) Mt.Gox account, Bruce was the official person for this charity. But you guys are right, a witch hunt is way more fun than boring charity.
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