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321  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Gox refunded my fiat transfer! YAY on: March 19, 2014, 03:52:31 AM
This is HIGHLY unlikely to be true.  Like mentioned above, Mtgox is under Bankruptcy court orders.  I doubt they could cough without getting a judges approval.  Please provide evidence of your claim......otherwise we will all consider it BS.

-edit-

Scottrade?  What the hell are you talking about?
322  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Qrk coin maybe a scam!! on: March 19, 2014, 03:37:38 AM
Thanks for move!
323  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin & PoW is a waste of energy & destroys nature on: March 19, 2014, 12:11:44 AM
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Right now the power of the Bitcoin network is in the range of a small nuclear reactor (see my post here) : 600 MW.

This calculation only take the electricity spent by the miners. Not the electricity spent by Blockchain.info, Bitstamp, Bitpay or any other part of the Bitcoin economy.

And if we want to be fair we cannot assume that all the electricity spent by the banks is necessary to run "the fiat network". We should only take into account :
- the printing of the paper bills (probably in the range of $0.01 per dollar or less)
- the minting of the metal coins (maybe up to $0.5 per dollar)
- the running of the central banks ($0,0000??? per dollar)
This is what must be compared to the cost of running "the Bitcoin network" (mining costs).


I assure you the amount of energy spent on the production of FIAT way exceeds the bitcoin network power consumed even in proportion to user base.  (I for one hardly ever use cash...I use checks, Credit cards, Direct Deposit and Electronic banking)

Lets just take the "mining of metals" concept for a minute.  The cost to produce a Penny.

How much oil/gas do you think the trucks and tractors consume daily to mine the minerals?
How about the oil and lubricants for the hydraulics/engines/gears?  
How about the the fuel that goes into the workers vehicles to get to (and from) the jobsite?
How about the energy used to produce the tractors/trucks/vehicles the workers use?
How about the energy to manufacturer tires for the vehicles?
How about the refinery power consumption?
How about the power used for the facilities on each site?
How about the energy costs for security and storage?
How about the energy used to truck/ship/train the raw ore?

Then the refined materials go to the mint.

Again, how much oil/gas consumed by the workers daily to and from work? (1845 employees US mint)
How much energy used to make the minting presses and machinery?
How much energy used to run the machinery?
How much paper products/stationary/toilet paper consumed?
How much to heat and air condition every facility?
How much energy now spent on security at the site? (Guards/cameras/alarms systems/etc)

Now let me remind you we haven't even sent the money to the banks yet nor have we produced paper currency yet.  And my list is far shorter than the actual energy consumed in making the currency.  Additionally, every country on earth is consuming energy to produce their form of currency.

As you can see.....the cost to produce one penny would far exceed the cost to produce one satoshi.

And to make my point crystal clear....if the entire world was using crypto currency, the amount of energy consumed would be FAR less than it is today.
324  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin & PoW is a waste of energy & destroys nature on: March 18, 2014, 07:55:42 PM
Printing fiat is FAR more wasteful of energy....But I don't see the OP complaining about that!!  

* Energy used in Harvesting trees/silk/cotton (massive resource expenses)
* Cutting/processing/transporting these natural resources
* Energy for Printing Presses
* Energy used for mining metals like copper/zinc/nickel (another massive expense)
* Energy for Heating/Air conditioning of buildings
* Energy for Powering phones/lights/computers
* Transportation of money to banks
* Workers Transportation to/from work
* Costs for Reprinting replacement bills
* Security costs like cameras, guards, police resources
* Energy used to manufacturer presses/computers/equipment
* Resources used for dies and chemicals
* Resources used to stop or arrest counter-fitting
* This list goes on forever............Year after Year

And remember, every country that has a currency is doing this list over and over...

This thread started by OP is a FUD.
325  Other / Off-topic / Re: Newbies: The top 40 greatest Wet Farts on this forum: Avoid serious discussions on: March 18, 2014, 03:52:34 AM
-I have a better challenge-

Please try to find anyone with an activity rating of less than 100 that actual contributes in a positive and productive way to BitcoinTalk forum.  Nominees will be void if any of the following have incurred:

1. 4 words or less posted in thread
2. Incomplete sentences
3. Badgering or harassing other members
4. Trolling
5. Posting in wrong sections
6. Scamming
7. Spreading FUD or outright inaccuracies
8. Wining about things like forum layout/structure/features/policies
9. Are annoying


Please post all credible recommendations below and we will have a vote later on!


Additional recommendations to add to the list are appreciated


9. Are annoying

I vote for you...

Thank you for nominating me for "contributing in a positive and productive way to BitcoinTalk forum."  Unfortunately I have passed the 100 activity level and will be unable to accept the nomination.  However, since you are still under the 100 limit I thought about nominating you.  Unfortunately you were rejected because you violated 1-4 and number 9.    Sorry, but there will not be any further contest for the 2014 year.  Please check back in 2015 for new and upcoming events!
326  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Joe Rogan comments on Bitcoin again on: March 18, 2014, 03:25:02 AM
Go Joe! 

Awesome commentary from Joe.  Loved the "knots on a rope" analogy & the Apple bashing he gave.  All good points.
327  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Dorian hires lawyers for BTC denial on: March 18, 2014, 03:15:11 AM
I am going to take your ripping off of my thread idea as a compliment.

According to the timestamps I started this thread almost 8 hours before yours, but hey ho thanks for joining in  Wink

He is just a troll who doesn't know anything - so I wouldn't worry about him.  We all know who posted (way) earlier.  Thanks for the post!
328  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Joe Rogan comments on Bitcoin again on: March 18, 2014, 03:12:19 AM
It's not skipping ahead for me either  (On iPad). Please let us know about where to FF.


Edit
Thanks Bittburger for link & snakebit for timestamp.  Listening now.
329  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Dorian hires lawyers for BTC denial on: March 17, 2014, 11:09:03 PM
Question is he really trying to dispell the rumors about him being linked to bitcoin or his he more likely to be getting ready to sue for the damages caused by the article?  Either way I see some fireworks ready to explode.
330  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Nakamoto hires lawyer to dispel founder claims on: March 17, 2014, 11:03:11 PM
Isn't this basically a duplicate post of this:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=519133.0

No need for additional re-post.  I found the original post 7 down from this post.  OP should lock this thread so discussion can continue in one thread.
331  Other / Off-topic / Re: U.S. to relinquish remaining control over the Internet on: March 17, 2014, 09:29:10 PM


When U.S. Steps Back, Will Russia and China Control the Internet?

http://www.nationaljournal.com/tech/when-u-s-steps-back-will-russia-and-china-control-the-internet-20140317

Who will leap ahead now and take control?  I see name coin prices going up in the near future!  Smiley
332  Other / Off-topic / Re: theymos's real job? on: March 17, 2014, 09:05:19 PM
More theymos info from his column:

Gender: Male
Location: Wisconsin
Occupation: Student
Age: 21
ICQ: 214850779
AIM: theymos
Yahoo: theymos
MSN: theymos@hotmail.com


Source: http://www.advicenators.com/column.php?u=theymos
333  Other / Off-topic / Re: Newbies: The top 40 greatest Wet Farts on this forum: Avoid serious discussions on: March 17, 2014, 01:01:58 AM
-I have a better challenge-

Please try to find anyone with an activity rating of less than 100 that actual contributes in a positive and productive way to BitcoinTalk forum.  Nominees will be void if any of the following have incurred:

1. 4 words or less posted in thread
2. Incomplete sentences
3. Badgering or harassing other members
4. Trolling
5. Posting in wrong sections
6. Scamming
7. Spreading FUD or outright inaccuracies
8. Wining about things like forum layout/structure/features/policies
9. Are annoying


Please post all credible recommendations below and we will have a vote later on!


Additional recommendations to add to the list are appreciated
334  Other / Off-topic / Re: . on: March 16, 2014, 08:42:33 PM
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335  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Gold Bugs Attack Bitcoin In their Ads on: March 16, 2014, 07:02:01 PM
I watched the video for some 20 minutes when my browser froze. Had to restart the video but got angry that I couldn't fast-forward or something so I ended up just googling what the hell he is talking about. Apparently it's collectible gold coins.


Thank you for the answer.  I watched about 20 minutes and got bored.
336  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: The Largest $ Monetary TWEET in History Happened Yesterday with Cryptocurrency on: March 16, 2014, 06:52:24 PM
Lol...shit thread got bumped to the alt garbage can.....
337  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The real price of bitcoin, less than an iphone app on: March 16, 2014, 05:18:51 PM
If 400,000,000 people one day use Bitcoin, the value of all the bitcoins would exceed several trillion for sure.

This is once again apples to oranges.

Solution: integrate Bitcoins into whatsapp.  Problem solved!
338  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: The Largest $ Monetary TWEET in History Happened Yesterday with Cryptocurrency on: March 16, 2014, 04:55:15 PM
Fine...we wait to see if it mod moves it then......
339  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: The Largest $ Monetary TWEET in History Happened Yesterday with Cryptocurrency on: March 16, 2014, 04:48:12 PM
Like mentioned earlier....this has nothing to do with "Bitcoin Discussion".

I disagree. This is about cryptocurrency, NOT about Dogecoin. Please save your hatred.  Any crypto can be used to do a transaction like yesterday's. If the mainstream can understand that they don't need to pay bank fees for rapid transactions, Bitcoin would go to $10,000 overnight. It just takes something to get the attention of the masses and enlighten them as to the benefits of crypto/Bitcoin.

What!?  Nobody said I hated.  It just this is does not belong in this thread.  It is about an al currency and not Bitcoins.  Please move to appropriate section.
340  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The real price of bitcoin, less than an iphone app on: March 16, 2014, 04:41:51 PM
I think the real story here is that 19 billion pricetag. My WTF meter is breaking in half.

Bill gates is only worth 4.1 whatsapps.


Damn, put in that context makes it really seem ludicrous.  Wish I was worth a 1/10000 of a stupid app!
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