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3221  Economy / Economics / Re: What should be a good ROI for a startup? on: April 29, 2022, 02:34:10 PM
Business is something which should be taken as long term investment and artwork of patience! It’s built stone by stone and you have to have considerable amount of hardship with it. I don’t think math should be put forth immediately. First you need to set up base for it, have recipe ready for your business which includes smart to hard work, management, plan executions and much more. Once you have product or service ready and available in the market then you should start with the ROI maths. Sometimes you could get more than enough sales and sometime you may not get anything. So it’s really upto that.
The fact that you need patience to build a business also requires money. I get that you can't be rich overnight, but realize that most businesses require you to earn something. If you are going to focus on it full-time then you need it to make enough so that you could pay your bills.

For example, I earn a decent amount right now, if I quit this job and start my own business, and it doesn't earn, then not only I do not have a good business, but also I can't pay my bills and eat food, what am I suppose to pay that with. This is why I believe that even though it shouldn't be something huge, it needs to earn at least enough to pay the bills.
3222  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin a Partway to Becoming Self-Reliance. on: April 29, 2022, 08:31:29 AM
in this case, of course, we are aware that even though there is freedom there, there are still limitations, and these things are limited by the existing and applied rules.
indirectly even though bitcoin is something that is free but free does not mean without limitations, not only that there are limitations there. Is freedom with limitations still called freedom?
we know rules have made life better but if you say those rules to bitcoin is it really still something the OP meant freedom?
Freedom ends where others freedoms start. This is what we were thought at school when I was a little kid. If you mean something like freedom to kill someone, that is not freedom for example, it means that you are getting into someone else's freedom. Abraham Lincoln said it the best "If we submit ourselves to law, even submit to losing freedoms, the freedom to oppress, for instance, we may discover other freedoms previously unknown to us."

This is what freedom is all about, if you want to see how you should design your freedom and want to learn if you oppress anyone or if you are oppressed, ask yourself "is this request of freedom changes anything in anyone else's life or not" and you will have your answer.
3223  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitoin prediction - 1 Million dollar by 2025 (Expert) on: April 29, 2022, 07:18:23 AM
What do you think is he right?

All the predictions can be found in Coinriders.


Just because there is a possibility of it, doesn't mean that we should be reliant on the price going that high. The difference between "it will be high" versus "it will be a million dollars", is that when you can calculate how much it will be and believe it, then you will invest accordingly and it could hurt you.

If you believe that it will be 1 million dollars by 2025 then what stops you from getting a loan, or selling your house, basically taking as much leverage as possible to invest into it and hope that it will be one million dollars? You would be able to do that, or you could just say that it will be high, unknown amount and still invest wisely instead.
3224  Economy / Speculation / Re: Elon Musk buys Twitter on: April 29, 2022, 06:22:03 AM
It's amazing to me just how scared liberals are that people have free speech.  It's like they're worried that someone will ask them to define what they identify as...

On Twitter, you literally were not allowed to refer to a man as He if they said they identify as a woman.  Imagine being forced to take part in someone else's mental illness or be banned from using a service.  That's where we were before Elon.  I'm sorry, but I'm not going to take part in anyone else's delusions.  The entire idea that someone can identify as something, but then not define it is peak idiocy. 
The problem with the "free speech" that people keep talking about is the fact that free speech is something you enter against the government, not against each other. If you tweet to someone "I will find you and kill you" that is still not "free speech" that is threatening someone and not only you will be banned, but you will be prosecuted as well, anything that is illegal, like "hello everyone, I am selling heroin, dm me if you want some" would not be free speech.

It means that there is a clear area where you could say "what a wonderful morning" and an illegal area we talked about, which means there bounds to be some gray area as well. There will never be a company publicly traded and allowed to run which could give you 100% right to write whatever you ever wanted. Elon can't give you that, nobody can.
3225  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: What kind of coin or token will be chosen and survive? on: April 28, 2022, 09:46:58 PM
cryptocurrency will not be able to beat fiat when a country still maintains their culture in the economy. however, I believe that every day, developments will continue to occur. it will make gradual changes in a country that will eventually adapt to cryptocurrencies. Currently, there are already several countries that accept crypto as a payment alternative. although it can't beat fiat, it's better. because a few years ago, so many countries challenged this development. however, now little by little they are starting to accept it, and adapt it to their economy.
We do not need nations to become like El Salvador and just take it to top, we just need them to relax the regulations and laws enough that the crypto world would flourish there and that would be enough. What we need to remember is that it is hard for companies to accept bitcoin because it is volatile and their vendors do not accept volatility and waiting, they need to pay.

Like you may expect amazon to accept bitcoin one day, but if they spend 100 million on merchandise and products to sell to you, and then they sell it for 120 million dollars worth of bitcoins, then the price of bitcoin goes down 50% that would mean they just sold it for 60 million, they could wait, but then they need to reorder which means they need to sell that and buy again for a loss.
3226  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Craig Wright Proving He’s not Satoshi- AGAIN on: April 28, 2022, 09:03:33 PM
I am still absolutely and utterly amazed at how many people legitimately think he’s Satoshi.
The name Satoshi has now become a household name that everyone will love to claim but as in the case of Craig Wright I think he's just trying to stir the media by creating much awareness of himself, because i see no reason why he should make the claim at first place and later come again to utterly refuted that, that's why i want to believe maybe he's trying to get public attraction unto himself in playing such. have it ever come to their mind that the real Satoshi woud have been so diplomatic so as not to come to the media making claim of himself in such manners.
I am afraid, it also allows him to make a lot of money as well. Between fame, attention and money the situation is on his benefit even if he doesn't turn out to be satoshi. If you could convince nobody but still get mics lined up or articles written about you, then it is a benefit for you in the long run. Dude probably made millions from the satoshi claim, and no lie he was one of the early investors so he might have a lot of bitcoins to begin with as well.

Combine these two things together and you have yourself a situation where everything seems a lot better for you. This doesn't mean that he should be doing it, it is a bad and horrible thing but if he is profiting from it, I can see his point.
3227  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Advice for poor people who wanna get some crypto on: April 28, 2022, 08:26:02 PM
In the last months, I open an Coinbase account, and I saw that, the application pay me like 20 euro ( free coins) for opening an account. It was so nice. After like 1 month, the app do not give any free cryptocurrency.
My question for you guys it is, beside Coinbase, it is any other application like that, like give you free stuff or something ?
tbh with you mate i have an account on coinbase but i didn't received any free coins from it, maybe it's new. Cheesy
Anyways if you want to make money on the space much better to learn how to trade or invest because surely you can make good return from it instead of relying on such free coins, wherein impossible to withdraw because every platform has minimum withdrawal.
There were some "learn" parts where you earn. They promoted it as "learn to earn" type of deal. That basically allowed you to learn about some new coins and tokens and they would give you like 3-5 dollars or something small like that. At the time Lumens was the biggest giver for example.

I am not saying that it is a thing that keeps going forever and adds in more and more coins, I haven't seen too much new things that frequently, but it did existed the last time I checked and gave you some points. This is why I personally believe that it was definitely a great method for the poor. However, best is to earn by working and getting a salary for sure.
3228  Economy / Economics / Re: Russian Gas ban - A problem for Europe or suicide for Russia? on: April 28, 2022, 06:59:25 PM
Sure the education in western countries seems much higher than in Russia, but there is a big issue here in Europa what we don't have and what Russia has a lot of. And that is natural resources. On paper Europe looks like a good continent with a lot of strong countries. But if the whole world trading would collapse, so would Europa. We are highly dependant on imports. The question is on what cost is Europe willing to cancel the gas trade with Russia? Buying gas from Russia makes the most sense for us because it's the closest country and they already have pipelines running to us. It takes years to build pipelines, we can't just change the infrastructure for gas overnight.
Just because you have gas, doesn't mean that you could control other nations. The difference is that they could take your and all of your allies money with other stuff and you will be forced to pay that with gas. That's education, that's power, that's business people all getting together.

If you pay for McDonalds, apple, google and whatever else really, doesn't matter what it is if it's a business owned by the west then you are going to pay that with your gas. This means that the fight is still one sided, west could afford to pay Russia to get gas, because they already got a lot from them and they will be just getting the payment in gas form instead of fiat.
3229  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Investment: $15.000 - 12 vs 15 coins on: April 28, 2022, 05:20:59 PM
OPtion 2 for 15coin is a good investment than option 1 because there are 3 major altcoins in added to this portfolio ETH, SOL, and AVAX, these altcoins are best, and also others added in option 2 for future investment. so you can choose option 2.
Where did you see that if he was mentioning 15 coins from the list? i think that you are not even focusing to read or what? Is there something wrong with you for now? that doesn't make sense to see that. He was only mentioning less than 10 coins from any list of his portfolios but it seems you were adding more or what? i think that if you must try to see the thread carefully again dude.

The more risk and the more gain.
To be fair adding some and removing others couldn't be a bad decision neither. I do agree that there are some bad choices there, and it should be removed and more trusted stuff like btc should be added in there. I am not saying that I would make a decision based on 12 or 15, because to me it is not about the number of coins you invest into, but the quality of it.

I would say 12 beats 15 in a situation where 12 has better coins, but 15 beats 12 when there is better additions. Here, we see that the 3 coins that added are more trustable coins and I would pick that, but if in case it was the other way around, I would have said no to 3 shitcoins if they were added.
3230  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Elon and and how this "dude" could effect bitcoin in the future? on: April 27, 2022, 08:29:43 PM
I think he will gonna use his authority to further promote whatever cryptocurrencies he like because he has now full access to which coins he wants to promote every day on Twitter and he also has the access to stop any promotion that hasn't paid anything to him. Looks like it will gonna be the best for Bitcoin wants he to start tweeting another good and positive twee about it but surely along with Dogecoin since he won't gonna stop promoting it until it reaches the price he speculated these few years.
We still need to realize that regulations of stock market is real and SEC could file charges against him. If he promotes crypto and he gains from it personally, he would be facing charges, so he could technically still do it, but not via any of his companies, so if Tesla buys bitcoin and then Elon promotes bitcoin that will be conflict of interest.

Not saying that he can't, there could be some legal loopholes found, but using your own company to promote something your other company bought will become a bit of an issue in the long run. This is mainly due to the fact that he would be causing a lot of people to invest their money into something, and probably causing them to lose money.
3231  Economy / Economics / Re: Inflation and investment on: April 27, 2022, 06:58:41 PM
oil is the basic material for production fuel or distribution fuel, if it is difficult to find, they buy it at a higher price, and this has an impact on the price of the product. for now it's really hard to suppress it because of this kind of situation. and the government can only try to suppress it, except maybe later if new alternative energy is found such as electric cars for example, it will certainly reduce the use of oil
Oil/gas will eventually go away as the main thing to spend. From simple small cars to a huge truck, everything will be based on electricity. However, we need to make sure that we create that energy in a clean way as well. If you burn coal and create energy and then use that for your Tesla, that’s not clean at all, this is not helpful to anyone, it is not better than oil/gas. If you do hydro, solar, wind and such then using that for your electric car could be something awesome for sure.

We are talking about something that is better for the distant future, because we could keep on investing renewable energy but electric cars all in itself by default is not a good thing if you produce bad energy from bad sources.
3232  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: So Many Exchanges out there on: April 27, 2022, 06:11:40 PM
Simple, just check their trading activities the more they have liquidity the more you can exchange at ease. Right now there are a lot of exchanges that use bots rather than real people, you will see the difference if an exchange that uses a bot or many real traders if you have some experience in many exchanges. The other thing is the security if an exchange provides a low security then just forget it, it's better to go to the top exchange.
There isn't really "one way" to make sure that you could see if it's bots or real traders. I mean they have improved the bots so much so that we are talking about real looking stuff that gain a lot of volume and that gives people a ton of returns.

If you really want to succeed then you need to make sure that you are looking at the trustable places that we all know. Like for example if you are trading at binance, do you really worry that they would try to trick you into thinking there is a volume there but actually do it with bots? I mean there are bots that trade, but not for volume. Binance wouldn't let it fly, they want legit stuff so they can make a profit.
3233  Economy / Economics / Re: Why is it always about price? on: April 26, 2022, 09:52:50 PM
Because price determine on what possible profit it may possibly bring to its traders. Also this is what people speculating for because all want to earn money so don't be surprised for people talking about the price since all traders are up for money. Maybe there are people having fun trading it or discussing it but for sure the main point of everyone is here to earn on certain price reached by each crypto.
Profit shouldn't be the main thing though, that's the problem. I get that you could invest and make a lot of profit, but at the end of the day if you can't then there is no problem because crypto is not just a profit maker but it is also something that you could use as a currency.

For example, dollar loses value every single year, lost a ton in the last 2 years, but at the end we haven't really seen any problems at all with the current situation, if USD doesn't really cause any fear and people get away just because it's losing value then it means that we are talking about Bitcoin not really being a "bad" thing if it goes down neither, use it as a currency in that period.
3234  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Traders paradise on: April 26, 2022, 09:34:14 PM
i have a friend who always pro when it comes crypto. but tbh i never ask him to teach me because it would be awkward because i know trading will not be so easy and surely it will take too long before i understand the whole thing and become a good trader.

So i make my own research, until i found a good source to learn trading. Now he see me making money as well and i'm proud of my self because i didn't rely to anyone.
It is really not that difficult if your friend could explain to you in a way that you could understand. I had a friend who jokingly explained something to me like he was talking to a kid and that actually did allow me to get it. I mean it didn't had to be that simple like he was talking to a 5 year old kid, but at the same time, wouldn't you understand something that a 5 year old can?

It means if there is something you do not understand, turning that into like you are explaining it to a kid would actually benefit you. It started as a joke and now we seriously explain things that way because it makes things so easy to understand and does allow us to move forward quicker.
3235  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Bear market every team will pump their own coin on: April 26, 2022, 08:53:04 PM
The bear market seems to always be side by side with the bull market, the two of them take turns to form a market, and sometimes the market is tired of moving so that it forms an area of consolidation. actually it is not difficult to invest in cryptocurrencies, we can choose the top coins without in-depth analysis, unfortunately many people want to get big profits immediately so they are looking for new projects, without realizing this is a high risk, therefore using a little funds would be better, at least to unleash the monster inside us
That is the cycle of the market, you get one thing and then you get another thing and that is how it stays alive. If we always go bull then where will we find all of that money? We cannot just ask the world to keep on pouring money forever without ever selling, we will literally run out of money lol, technically impossible let alone convincing the world to even attempt it.

We cannot go bear all the time neither, believe me there are rich people out there who would buy wholesale when it gets cheap enough, it will have to stop eventually, hell I would buy all bitcoins I could if it drops to a certain level. So, it means it will always go up and down.
3236  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin reaches maximum, target $80K BTC on: April 26, 2022, 04:34:11 PM
The correction has occurred for so long for bitcoin, this does not affect the extent to which bitcoin developments in the future will experience a significant increase, but this phase is likely to increase or decrease bitcoin, as far as bitcoin is able to get out of the existing problem, but I also think this year bitcoin it will be difficult to penetrate the highest price, even if the correction has not fully recovered, it is possible that bitcoin will continue to be corrected
Correction could happen at plenty of times, we had corrections all throughout the 2020 and 2021 period as well. I remember very clearly, before we reached all those 60k+ levels, first we needed to break over the previous ATH of 20k. When it reached close to that, it was like 19.6k or so, and it kept on dropping lower to 17k-18k levels.

You should have seen it, it happened like maybe 6 times and kept on going up and down and up and down so much. In the end, what happened? We reached to a level where it was 68k at the peak right? This shows you that even though we may have hard time cracking above a certain level, that is a temporary thing and won't hold for too long.
3237  Economy / Speculation / Re: BTC Sentiment Poll for April on: April 24, 2022, 10:23:10 PM
^  That's the problem with that kind of thinking.  'Faith' has nothing to do with price.  And yeah I kinda agree with May.  Nobody knows.  I've been some guys saying sell in 'May and stay away' implying a slightly downward trend and possible more sell downs.  Dunno...  Just stay safe out there.

Anyway, check out the price...  And just like that BTC was breaking above 42k with 45k looking to be a sure thing then out from nowhere somebody pushes it back down to 40k.  Market is spooked and down it goes some more to 39k with 38k looking very likely.  :/
Faith sort of plays a role in investment if you are doing it long term. There is no indicator that can suggest what bitcoin will do in the next 1 year for example, you could try to predict but it will mostly be baseless, hence you just have to have faith. But, if we are talking about April or may, then we could definitely consider it as short term and can back the predictions up with data.

I believe May will be greater because we are growing in support, and weaker in resistance all the way back to 48k levels, that should be good enough reason to actually go up and do better. There is no guarantee of course, maybe we will do the harder one and go down, instead of easier going up.
3238  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Any unexpected incidents - Bitcoin on: April 24, 2022, 09:41:03 PM
     Well, it is indeed a great thing to see bitcoins or anything related to it more and more in our daily lives. This just means that the mass adoption is really hastening and than more people are being curious about it. In regards to it being in the calendar though, we can only speculate about the purpose of the designer or the owner(employer) as to why they included such image in their calendar design. Whichever the case though, it is good for the publicity of bitcoin and even if not in a huge way, at least it helps spread word.
I faced this when my grandfather asked me about it. That was the final draw for me and I just jumped right into bitcoin full time when that happened.

This was obviously back in 2016-2017 period, but that was more than enough for me to realize that if my grandfather is trying to learn what it is, even if he doesn't invest, just the fact that he is trying to learn and thinks that it's something worthy of understanding, was enough to see bitcoin is going places. After that it reached to 20k, and this was like 500-700 range when it happened, then the max is 68k nowadays. I think it was a good indicator to see it will go up.
3239  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What is the real value of bitcoin today? on: April 24, 2022, 09:06:55 AM
Isn't sentiment analysis simply a market behavior synonymous with how traders make purchases by confirming them through news or rather to individual sentiment predictions? It depends on how the trader sees the movement of Bitcoin from day to day. While Fundamental means focusing on economic data that we often find today through quantitative data.

Bitcoin will never be separated from technical, fundamental and sentimental analysis. Because the current price adrift behavior is due to supply and demand. Therefore, the actual price is of course the price you see today.
It has both separated long long time ago, but also not separated at all. I am saying it separated long time ago because if Elon Musk could tweet and increase the price of bitcoin, then it means economic data has no meaning, if we could have Biden go out and say he loves bitcoin and the price goes up then there is no economic data to talk about.

This is the part where it has separated long time ago, there is also a part where it is highly connected as well. That part is the fact that while these things are not happening, when there is nothing that separates it, days like today for example where there is no big news, it is all connected to economic data. So, it is both connected, but separated at the same time.
3240  Other / Archival / Re: Bears continue to dominate on: April 23, 2022, 05:51:39 PM
I think the market is polarizing right now because of the chaos around, basically I don't see it pulling back but the current pressure hasn't been broken yet.  the impact of war is not the basis for bitcoin to hold this contraction, FUD persists and I doubt the bear market will continue while I very much expect a consolidation.  Lol, the market still hasn't given up on optimism trying to get to 42k before the bullshit returns.  In this situation, patience will determine the next journey of bitcoin.
People are indecisive about whats going on and what will happen. I am not saying that it is impossible to predict right now, obviously there are some people who are aware of whats going on, but that doesn't mean that we will not be making any mistakes along the way while trying to predict neither.

This is why people are staying back and watching, this is why volume is lower as well, all because people have no idea whats going on. You are right about patience though, if we could wait and finally let bitcoin do what it wants to do, up or down, then we will be doing a lot better and we could profit a lot more as well. That's what I am guessing will happen soon.
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