If you read the sales agreement I believe it specifies the remedy in the case of late delivery beyond 30-days (plus time for excusable delays):
You may cancel your order for a refund (USD) - given that cointerrra are already allowing that ... what is your beef?
So, the hashrate guarantee was what, then? Just a smokescreen? There are laws against false advertising. I'll gladly take back the bitcoins I paid for the miner (back when BTC was $150) |
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So what version am I supposed to be running now?
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Dude they can't even guarantee the 2thash right now, most units are running 1.3-1.5 thash.
I smell class action. |
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Cointerra why are you not honoring your hashrate guarantee for Early January customers? I emailed support and received this response: Our legal team has determined that the 30 day late delivery agreement does not kick in until March 2nd. Sorry, I know that this is such a hassle.
I think reasonable people can accept that there were delays and you might be late delivering, but I'd imagine this guarantee caused a lot of people who would not have ordered in the first place to order your equipment. Please explain how March 2nd can possibly work as a guarantee date for "Early January" orders. According to the general sales agreement if they are late you are entitled to request a refund ... they already are letting you request a refund with a January order. So while they may not admit to being late - you are already enjoying all the benefits as if they did. they had a hashrate guarantee. They said if they were more than 30 days late, they would compensate us. They're going to be more than 30 days late, but they just recently changed the terms to 45 days because their lawyer said they could. This isn't about making a return, it's about getting what we paid for, under the terms of the transaction. I am requesting binding arbitration. |
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If you are still experiencing delays in deposits to cryptsy, create a new deposit address there for DOGE. They have stated that they have created a new wallet, and that deposits to the old wallet will be delayed.
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Cointerra why are you not honoring your hashrate guarantee for Early January customers? I emailed support and received this response: Our legal team has determined that the 30 day late delivery agreement does not kick in until March 2nd. Sorry, I know that this is such a hassle.
I think everyone accepts that there were delays and you might be late delivering, but I'd imagine this guarantee caused a lot of people who would not have ordered in the first place to order your equipment. Please explain how March 2nd can possibly work as a guarantee date for "Early January" orders. I tried to ask the same question in your forums but my post was not "approved". |
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Cointerra why are you not honoring your hashrate guarantee for Early January customers? I emailed support and received this response: Our legal team has determined that the 30 day late delivery agreement does not kick in until March 2nd. Sorry, I know that this is such a hassle.
I think reasonable people can accept that there were delays and you might be late delivering, but I'd imagine this guarantee caused a lot of people who would not have ordered in the first place to order your equipment. Please explain how March 2nd can possibly work as a guarantee date for "Early January" orders. |
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I love this pool, but the news kinda disappointed me. "Feb 09 6:43 PM Our share offering is on hold pending attorney review. If it turns out that the offering will be canceled, all shares will be repurchased at the IPO price. We will be placing buy orders at the IPO price in case anyone would like to sell their shares back immediately."
If you got BTC from these shares (and I dont know if you did) its kinda sad if you make server upgrades and such then pay back IPO with no additional fee added for time BTC was held and possibly used.
I haven't made any server upgrades or done anything with the funds. How could I have done that in 2 days? If the offering is canceled, the funds will be bought back at the same price they were sold. As soon as I announced the news I put in a buy order at the IPO price for anyone who wants to return their shares now. |
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Are you guys aware of the issues that are causing most of the major DOGE pools to downgrade to 1.4.1?
Any plans to fix?
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Effective immediately, this thread is no longer considered an official support area for Multipool. I will check it as time allows, but it's looking like Bitcointalk is going to be eliminating Alt Crypto forums soon enough. I suggest everyone register on Cryptocointalk.com and use the new Multipool forum for support issues: https://cryptocointalk.com/forum/660-multipoolus/Thanks, --Flound |
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Let them shut it down, Theymos is Bitcoin Rich enough that he doesn't need the extra hits. I'd love to just move all the alt coin talk over to Cryptocoin Talk, the guy Jim who runs it is very accommodating.
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PPC did something weird! I still have well over a million shares on this epic 600 hour no blocks found marathon but the estimation shows 0... Why would it do this to me?
That's a good thing. Our shares will sit there until a block is found. The estimates probably got zeroed during the database rebuild and may not reappear until a block is found. Is this an estimate for PPC: 107 coin reward x 1,000,000 your shares/352,952,962 round shares = 0.30 PPC https://www.multipool.us/stats.php?curr=ppcActually, the problem was that the ppcoind that the estimates job uses had crashed.. Estimates should be correct for PPC again soon. |
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I have been a security analyst for the past decade and crypto mining botnets are really all over the place these days, I find it highly likely with speeds like that with that much fluctuation this is very likely a botnet. Many CryptoCoin Mining malware and botnets have moved away from BTC and towards scrypt mining alt coins and more recently cpu PoW generated coins like XPM, ProtoShares and basically anything with a high value in BTC. Its a lot less noticeable to have 10 thousand or more machines using their CPU's for scrypt mining coins like DOGE or CPU mining other non scrypt coins compared to the GPU based BTC miners found in some of the older bots.(not to mention when spreading GPU mining botnets the infection campaigns need to target a specific user base, typically gamers with top of the line GFX cards). I really wish their was an easy way to fight these botnets but alas not many pool operators seem to care and those whom I have worked with to block the botnets usually felt the repercussions afterwards with DDoS attempts. If anyone out there in the security field has any ideas or is working on any projects for detecting botnets compared to miners who are actually utilizing equipment they own I would love to hear about it. Did anyone notice the top miner in Doge stats of multipool.us?
The user name shows up as rwisozk.
Yesterday he was mining at 825,000 KH/s and today jumped to 1,250,000 KH/s (now it dropped to 979,901 KH/s)
That's crazy, he needs to invest about $1,000,000 in equipment to mine at those rates or it is a botnet or something.
his hash rates are equal to next top 10 users combined. I think it is just increasing the difficulty for all the rest of the miners.
At very least it should be investigated and made sure it's a legit operation.
much love detro p.s Also much love to multipool <3 , Let me know if you are interested in detecting botnets hitting your pool as I recently found the URL for your pool posted in a thread on a Russian Botnet Forum as a "safe places to mine". sure, email me please. |
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Average block reward over the past 24 hours is only ~453k, I believe this is because middlecoin switches block to block and only mines the higher reward blocks, but I could be wrong.
I haven't read into DOGE that much, so maybe someone can just clarify this. The block reward is random, but is the block reward set at the time the block is found (so "truly random") or is it possible to predict the block reward? (Only then it middlecoin could do what you suggested.) It's not necessary to predict.. It's available for anyone to see. The reward for the current block is generated when the previous block was found. It's available by getting the 'coinbasevalue' from the current block template i.e. dogecoind getblocktemplate | grep coinbasevalue The value is in satoshis. |
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I've also made some tweaks to the pools and gotten miner stales to around 3% on all pools.
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My actual mining return is nowhere near the estimates either. I've been mining at a constant rate of 5Mh/s on the Doge pool for the past 3 days and averaging approximately 25,000 Doge/day. According to Coinwarz, 5Mh/s should bring in somewhere between 36,000 Doge and 47,000 Doge per day depending on the difficulty (which has changed a bit over the past few days).
I don't know if this has been pointed out yet, but Doge has a variable block reward. If you hover over the little '?' next to the reward amount for Doge on CoinWarz, it'll explain. Basically it ranges from 0 to 1,000,000 so CoinWarz estimates the reward for each block at 500,000. That could explain the difference you are seeing because the actual reward could have been more or less. If we mined blocks which were mostly less, your coins per day would of course also be less. -David Yes, I'm aware of the variable block reward. However over a period of time the "luck" involved in finding low and high reward blocks should even out to an average. I believe Flound mentioned in a previous post that the average was currently at about 450,000 - so I don't think this is the cause of the problem. Right now my 24 hour "snapshot" shows 34,600 coins mined in the past 24 hours (and that's where it's been for the past 3-4 days). Whereas the estimated 24hr coins/day is should be 40350 (for 5096 Kh/s, which is more or less exactly what my rigs are churning out). So... it's getting better, but still ~15% out. Yes, you should receive about ~30% more then you receive on the moment according to Coinwarz. It seems to be something with Dogecoin, because it's the same on other pools as well.....hence maybe Coinwarz is wrong ....who knows  Reading backwards in this thread - I think Flound already said it might be something to do with a higher than normal rate of stale blocks. Perhaps this hasn't yet been resolved. (and I'm guessing that if this is a general problem with Dogecoin at the moment, this would explain why it's the same on other pools). I finished updating all of the DOGE wallets midday yesterday and the stales have taken a nosedive since then. The wallets have over 20 connections each now (as opposed to under 10 previously). This most likely has to do with the new DNS seed that was implemented in 1.5. Out of 160 blocks submitted over the past 12 hours, only 3 were stale. I think we will be seeing a return to close to coinwarz-calculated profitability going forward. Average block reward over the past 24 hours is only ~453k, I believe this is because middlecoin switches block to block and only mines the higher reward blocks, but I could be wrong. |
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After 5 days of mining LTC I have received 1 LTC
Whereas before I was getting almost a coin a day
Can anybody enlighten me
Recent Payouts
Time Block Amount BTC Value
Jan 29 11:39 PM 505211 1.02041 0.02701613
Jan 24 8:09 AM 502178 0.998111 0.02642575
Jan 24 7:49 AM 502173 0.961672 0.025461
Jan 22 9:54 PM 501590 0.998538 0.02643705
Jan 22 7:39 AM 501374 0.849799 0.02249908
Jan 20 6:39 AM 500420 0.941248 0.02492026
Jan 19 6:24 PM 500134 0.900147 0.02383208
Jan 18 11:34 PM 499685 0.881752 0.02334506
The pool didn't find a LTC block in 5 days. If you mine LTC here you should expect high payout variance. |
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Increasing the minimum DOGE withdrawal tenfold is kind of harsh...
Yes but now on-demand withdrawals are practically free. The people with low hashrates aren't the problem, the people with high hashrates that still use tiny auto thresholds are. I'll be implementing 24 hour payouts soon, which will pay fee-free every 24 hours regardless of your balance. |
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I'm assuming that most of the larger pools are probably having this same issue. If the larger DOGE pools all connected directly to each other we could probably bring the stales down quite a bit.
I'm on a DOGE only pool with more hashpower than multipool. In the last 24 hours, it's found 365 blocks, of which 5 were orphaned. That's 1.37%. M I was talking more about stales than orphans. You can't really see those stats. |
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I am also getting lower then the coinwarz estimates, but each doge block has random value of 1-1,000,000 shares in them. So if you get lower somedays it should balance out on others. Coinwarz Calculator bases calculation on 500,000 doge per block which is average of 1-1,000,000. Thats why its never accurate on per day basis.
I agree but usually it's about 10% less that Coinwarz but last day it's 30% less, and not only at this pool - my second rig is mining at another pool and I got the same results from it. IMHO now to mine dogs became just the same like to mine ltc directly. May be the situation will change another day... I'm a little more than 30% down on what I *should* be getting, and that's taking an average over the past 3-4 days. You would think in that time the luck would even itself out. I was also mining at about 2Mh/s at Fastpool and getting the same kind of low results there. So I don't think it's something that is pool specific. Saying that, even at 30% down, it's about the same to mine DOGE and LTC , (that's with the LTC diff. being quite low right now). The current estimate on my MultiPool account page is showing 44241 DOGE per day. Take off 30% and convert to LTC and that's approx. 1.98LTC per day. If I were mining with the same hash rate over at litecoinpool.org then I would be earning 2LTC. I can't be assed to switch everything over for 0.02LTC, and there's always a chance the DOGE/LTC price could get better, or the pool luck could change. The block stale rate is getting higher again. We have 226 submitted blocks in the past 24 hours, of which only 192 were accepted. Of those 192, 11 were orphaned. So that means only 181/226 or ~80% were paid. Our average block reward over the past 24 hours is 478482.80404700787. I've been trying to get Middlecoin to peer with us to help bring down the stales but he's real busy and hasn't had a chance to do it yet. I'm assuming that most of the larger pools are probably having this same issue. If the larger DOGE pools all connected directly to each other we could probably bring the stales down quite a bit. |
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