real estate is bubble right now.
If it's true, then so what? They are not buying real estate, they are just making a platform for landlords and renters. If the bubble bursts relest don't lose anything, just rents get lower but still there will always be landlords and people want to rent their places. |
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It's a shame about US citizens (and now Chinese citizens) not being to participate. Obviously, there's the option of using a VPN, but there's a still a huge number of untapped people who would otherwise be keen to invest in Vibehub.
anyway this will not affect the overall situation , I think in the near future as it will solve this problem - people should and will do what they want, especially if it's in the legal field.. apparently the government of these countries is afraid for the national currency I think its a positive sign for other top country investors, U.S.A and China were the major league population who invested into new potential ICO's and took most of the profit. Now they got a hurdle and now everyone gets a chance. Vibehubs application is widespread and futuristic so people will be interested in it. Actually i need to make a correction, U.S.A citizens can't invest but there is no restriction for chinese investors. Chinese icos are banned but investors have freedom to do whatever they want. For u.s.a need to make crazy amount of paperwork to grant a permission so vibehub is avoiding it like most of the icos. |
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First, where can I see the progress of ICO? I don't find it on the official website of the project. And secondly, what is the difference between REAL and Atlant? Why your project is better?
You can see progress on their site. They raised already around 11 mlm usd. https://www.real.marketsBut how much they want to raise in total? On the website it stated the hard cap is 50 million tokens. Current rate is 220 tokens per ETH. 50 million divided by 220 is about 227k ETH. The soft cap is half that amount = ~114k ETH. But in the whitepaper they say soft cap of 200k ETH and hard cap of 400k ETH. Maybe I have an outdated whitepaper though. According to an update of their medium blog post it's soft cap = hard cap = 100k ETH. https://medium.com/@real_token/real-token-sale-faq-fa1fa574fba2You are right. Looks like they scaled down their expectations from 400k to 200k to finally 100k. With 66k ETH to go I hope they don't have to resort to lowering the soft cap. The current uncertainty in the market because of China is not helping of course. I'm sure it will pick up pace once we're in the clear. Actually about china, they can turn crisis to opportunity. Website is only russian and english. I believe that lots of chinese investors looking outside of china for good project to invest. A chinese website, chinese whitepaper and some paid articles to the chinese websites can draw lots of funds from chinese investors for a solid project like real. I hope they think about doing so. |
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Which means they are a direct competitor? I am not sure about it's a direct competitor cause one of then is accounting based the other one ise insurance. But if it's, that's not a bad thing. Market is already very big for just one company and competiton cause companies to perform better. |
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I never thought you would buy holo-lens and the holo portation technology from Microsoft, I thought you were going to build your own, though this approach is will make things faster and has more sense, and is good to know you already have the funds to buy it, good luck  . VibeHub's mission is to create a crypto based virtual reality marketplace and hubs and not to invent VR & AR technologies, but who knows in the future, VibeHub could make its own holoportation gadget that is much better than Microsoft  it's got a long way to go until then. lets just focus on the ICO for now. no use talking about what might be. VibeHub aims to create content for the VR users and also offer their platform to other VR indie makers and live streaming, don`t get sidetrack saying that they will surpass microsoft that is an overstatement. Yes we are focusing on software not hardware... competing with Microsoft is a big mistake, we want to work along side them Probably the best you guys can do. Going for hardware would be so fucking expensive and there are a lot of different developer working on different hardware. As long as it gives everything you need, you really should avoid making such a big step at all, at least that's what I am thinking. By the way, thank you that you are answering all the questions as often as possible. A lot of ther developers aren't even looking at their ANNs for days or don't even try to answer questions because they got too many. When there's hardware, you must know where's your place, and this is thirdparty. Wonder if all currently available VR hardware is vibehub compliant or you will be exclusive for certain vendor(s) only, more or less like in the videogaming scene. Is there an official position on this matter? It was mentioned earlier in this thread that VibeHub will be compliant with all brands of hardware. A little addition to this, dev didn't close the doors for exclusive. He told that if there is a good offer for go exclusive, they can go with it. Which i think there would be some interest for exclusive, but don't know the offer will be enough for it. |
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In the interest of making the ticket purchasing as easy as possible for the average Joe, will there be an easy system to just buy the exact amount of EVC needed via an already existing payment method like a credit card? So that the average Joe doesn't have to jump through a lot of hoops to buy EVC.
Putting a credit card page in eventchain would probably solve the issue. Average joe can easily buy some evc to store his wallet or directly buying enough evc to buy an event ticket. Then what's the purpose of having EVC token? Average joe need to step up the game if they want to benefit from blockchain tech. It's for average joe, having an evc token means investing a growing company and having some discounts, vip tickets etc. Company should reach all the people for maximize its profit. So everybody buy tickets but only a little percentage know about blockchain tech. |
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I never thought you would buy holo-lens and the holo portation technology from Microsoft, I thought you were going to build your own, though this approach is will make things faster and has more sense, and is good to know you already have the funds to buy it, good luck . VibeHub's mission is to create a crypto based virtual reality marketplace and hubs and not to invent VR & AR technologies, but who knows in the future, VibeHub could make its own holoportation gadget that is much better than Microsoft it's got a long way to go until then. lets just focus on the ICO for now. no use talking about what might be. VibeHub aims to create content for the VR users and also offer their platform to other VR indie makers and live streaming, don`t get sidetrack saying that they will surpass microsoft that is an overstatement. Yes we are focusing on software not hardware... competing with Microsoft is a big mistake, we want to work along side them That's a good way to choose. Someone will always bring hardware to the next level, which is way harder and much expensive. And vibehub will just adjust to new hardwares. That expensive hardwares are trash without contents like vibehub. |
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Cool. Which exchanges are you planning to be listed on?
That's not clear yet. But we can speculate of course. It raised 10m usd already and there is plenty of time. It has great publicity, also project has great potential and they have a solid team. With that information my belief is it will be a good exchange. So if you invested, or thinking to invest, don't worry about exchanges. |
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In the interest of making the ticket purchasing as easy as possible for the average Joe, will there be an easy system to just buy the exact amount of EVC needed via an already existing payment method like a credit card? So that the average Joe doesn't have to jump through a lot of hoops to buy EVC.
Putting a credit card page in eventchain would probably solve the issue. Average joe can easily buy some evc to store his wallet or directly buying enough evc to buy an event ticket. |
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Again this is just a guess on my part but as i aforementioned, due to SEC rules, the piecoin might have been conceived as an alternative to incentive Paypie customers/Paypie coin holders. Piecoin might be distributed as a form of dividend (note that i use the word a form to denote that its not an actual dividend) and the distribution could be exchanged on Paypie's platform for fiat. Since it's not the main coin associated with the project and only has internal use, i.e.( Paypie won't provide an exchange for it) this deflects any issue that the SEC rules might pose.
As for pegging to multiple currencies, am guessing they will peg it to the currency that's currently worth the most, and use exchange rates from that currency to pay out on other currencies. Again, am just guessing and none of this should be considered viable till statement is obtained from an admin
I think I have figured it out. But still guessing. I think you actually have it backwards. PPP tokens are the investment vehicle and PieCoin are stable stores of debit/credit value. Assuming PPP are the PayPie tokens that are traded on the exchanges. PPP will be converted to PieCoin (PIE) for internal transactions in the PayPie market. PIE are pegged to a several major currencies at the same time: a currency basket. For the sake of argument, assume the currency basket is 1 PIE = $1. You owe someone $300. Which means you are 300 PIE short. PIE can only be exchanged through PPP tokens. PPP tokens fluctuate, but according to the whitepaper the price per token starts at 1 PPP = 0.0011 ETH. If the price of $300 = 1 ETH you need to buy 1/0.0011 = 909 PPP. If PPP doubles in value, you need to buy 454 PPP instead. Your debt, in terms of currency basket value, has remained the same amount, ie. 300 PIE = $300. If you were indebted 300 PPP instead of PIE, after PPP doubled in value you would owe $600. Nice catch, and they can achieve that with PIE because it's only an internal token and it won't be put on exchanges. It's the only way to keep a token stable at the moment, there's this token, Corion in which devs claim that price will be always $1, isn't on exchanges yet but it will be on day, I'm going to grab a popcorn basket when their reserve to buy COR will finish (because at some point it will finish) Are we talking about PIECoin, as in https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/piecoin/ ? I am really confused now  No we not talking about the shit coin on the exchanges called pie coin, rather we referring to an internal coin utilized on the paypie platform thats also named piecoin. Anyway, rigorous your explanation makes a lot of sense, hopefully a paypie admin can confirm if it's on the right track cos investors will deem such info vital. After re-reading the whitepaper again and again I think I got it completely wrong. The actual money owed on the invoice is not paid with PIE but through traditional ways, ie. bank transfers, VISA, whatever. I was misled by statements such as all transactions will flow through blockchain and validity of all transactions including sent invoices can be verifiedLender confirms, signs and funds get transferred to the company and published on blockchainBut it's not realistic to transfer money owed through PIE, as the PIE balance sheet would quickly eclipse the value of PPP and PayPie itself. Small-medium companies have balance sheets of up to $100 Million. The only things transferred through the PayPie network are documents such as invoices, and those invoices are put on a marketplace where the right to see or pay them may be bought using PIE. PayPie charges a fee on each marketplace transaction. You might actually be right, cos like i aforementioned maybe the payment might be allocated as pie, and the pie coin can be exchange for fiat at and only on Paypie platform. He might actually right but he might actually wrong. We are talking about a very important thing for the coin but with very limited information. I know team is extremely busy for marketing and devolopment reasons but they should make an detailed explanation about this paypie coin and ppp coin. |
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I'm looking to exchange only on exchanges with a small volume? on larger exchanges are planning?
Actually this kind of thing mostly gets clear after the ico. And it's directly proportional with the funding. If ico gets lots of funding best exchanges with large volumes, if ico gets little funding, then worse exchanges with little volume. But in long term is project is going well, good exchanges will be there. Im sure relest will be on exchange soon after the ico. The value of the coin will growth with the value of the platform, and im sure that it will go up very fast. Real estate are in the trend these mounth, all people like real estate project, and link auction and crypto currencies is really a good idea. I want to see the platform growth day by day, im here for a long time. Relest has a huge potential, and I love real estate invest !
Wow, you literally use all the stereotype sentences without "this coin is going to moon". My advice for everybody, don't make decision on stereotype posts or any post. Read whitepaper, make your inspection, evaluate every post and then make an investment. It's your money, spend it wisely. My own decision is to go for it, but it's every man for himself. |
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Interesting.
I invest during the presale
XD, lucky you, I got here late to the party, well not late, but in the middle of it, so I didn't get the bonuses, but at least I'm in, so yeah. It's third phase of pre-ico and if you don't have 10.000$ you will be waiting ico like us. If you have 10.000$ to invest in paragon, well good choise sir |
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It's a big time frame between end of ICO and alpha release, let's say beta in Q3 and release in Q4? Btw a mobile app is too important, in these days people use smartphones and tablets way more then computers
You are right, it's a very big frame. If alpha was out, it would be nice. We could have see that what are we investing to. Now it's investing an idea. It's a good idea but i would love to see something about application. |
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I don't see the point of this project. An auction platform, wow, do we need a decentralized version of this? Please..
It's not an auction platform, it's a real estate renting auction platform. I haven't seen anything like that before. So it's unique project with all the pros which get by decentralized system. Why it should be a bad thing? |
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In my country there is a one ticket seller, which is like monopolize the market. And they are asking idiotic fees from customers. Like qr code extra 2$, send a sms $2, just buying ticket $2, mostly they won more money than event holders. And their service is really shitty.
I can do anything for eventchain operate in my country too.
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Paypie Team had been very busy at the event. There was a lot of interest in the blockchain accounting and how we will be using it to solve real life business problems. Everyone was very excited to see this coming.
[img] Great news guys! I hope that you will meet some big whale who will invest in paypie as an institutional investor? realy great news,show us some more photos,and contact a lot of whales investors... I dont think whales investors are good for any ico as they dump when they see good price.More investors is better than few whales Not really, whales always win, and if you act with whales, then you will win also. And if project is a success new whales will acquire dumper whales coins. If project is going bad, whales will dump and no new whale will be there. So as long as project is going good, don't need to worry about whales. I think you can neither invite nor prevent from whales to invest.Usually whales also prefer to invest during pre-ico or presale so they get better price.Also if whales do not invest in ico,they can buy in exchange and again dump when price goes up from at what price they bought.I think looking at the potential of this ico,institutional investors would be more interested to buy in and that would be good for Paypie small investors also You can't prevent them from investing, but you can put a personal cap on each investment. That way a whale won;t be able to invest more then your average Joe. But from the business perspective, that is not always a good idea. The backing of a big investor brings some advantages with it. As long as you don't let them scoop up ALL tokens Most of high funded ico is letting them to scoop all tokens. I can't say they are wrong, cause with that, they easily reach their hard cap. Put a personal cap and reach to soft cap or put a very high minimum contrubition limit and get the hard cap. Who can blame icos doing so. Of course paypie didn't yet make a statement about icos terms, so this is pure speculation. |
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Hi all,why Cryptopia has been unable to deposit and withdraw sumo? Who knows when it can be normal?
We don't know the reason yet. They kept saying they are maintaining the wallets. Properly they were hacked. Yes, thank you for your reply, I will be patient, concerned about when it is open! sumo is a great potential for the project, refueling! What I'm concerned is the botnet holds about 600k+ coins now. Nearly half of the circulating supply. I think he is not just going to dump it. There were more lucretive coins to mine but he didn't. And with this volume his 600k coins is impossible to sell. So i think he saw a opportunity, and stacked lots of coins. Otherwise it's too meaningless. |
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Tickets market is soooo big, we haven't took into account yet amusement parks, natural parks, circus like cirque du soleil, big events like red bull events, motorsports events (these one are huge in Europe) just to name a few
How about drink/food coupons at events? You can even sell back your unspent ones (if the organiser isn't a dick!) Well it would be a option which could be considered in future. But selling back the unused coupons? Not sure how this should work. But it would be great if promoters would sell coupons you could use on every event of the same promoter. Most fans are going to a lot of events from the same promoter so they could use them anytime they need the coupons. I also think that would be difficult to sell back unspent ones, just make sure you used all of them! Drink more beer  It would be nice to have same coupons on different event, like events on the same location but different day. There is a bright future in this kind of platforms!! Keep it up I don't see why it would be hard to resell unused one. A platform could be made for an intrafestival where everybody who don't want to use a ticket can sell it on this intraplatform provided by Eventchain. It won't be hard but, there will a problem that also exist in today's ticketing system. Blackmarketing. People will buy tickets for a popular event on the earliest in bulk and then sell them at higher price near the event. Yes but that be avoided in eventchain system. They just put an limitation for it. You can't post a ticket with higher than original price. At least in platform it avoids blackmarket. But their hands are tied out of platform. It depends on how the reselling fuction will work. I can imagine it could still be possible for someone to resell the own ticket right infront of the concert hall and ask for the mark-up in cash. That would be something even an platform like EventChain could not prevent. That's different thing. Eventchain is not law enforcement, so they can only have power on their platform. They can only prevent it if event holder wants an id check. If they check id and ticket match, then not possible for resell infront of the concert hall. Maybe they allow id change if resell happen on the platform. |
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Paypie Team had been very busy at the event. There was a lot of interest in the blockchain accounting and how we will be using it to solve real life business problems. Everyone was very excited to see this coming.  Great news guys! I hope that you will meet some big whale who will invest in paypie as an institutional investor? realy great news,show us some more photos,and contact a lot of whales investors... I dont think whales investors are good for any ico as they dump when they see good price.More investors is better than few whales Not really, whales always win, and if you act with whales, then you will win also. And if project is a success new whales will acquire dumper whales coins. If project is going bad, whales will dump and no new whale will be there. So as long as project is going good, don't need to worry about whales. |
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Which exchanges are you expected to be listed in in 2017 and 2018?
no company will provide any info of possible exchanges pre ico. Several things could go wrong post ico and if investors feel jaded that a promise wasn't delivered, it could really impact the company's reputation Actually some compaines are doing that. But you're right it's risky. About vibehub it already reached 4600 eth, so exchange won't be a shitty one. That's quite a good amount so far. Much lower than the max cap of 115000 ETH though - if it ever got closer to the cap, that would be a guaranteed acceptance on any exchanges of their choosing. Exchanges are the most unimportant in the development process. Its only important for standard cryptocurrencies, not for projects with a real market usecase (Unless you are a trader). I don't agree this. Maybe i can agree in long term exchanges are not important, because if a project is doing great, best exchanges want to add it even they don't apply for it. But short term and maybe middle term exchanges is the most efficent thing that will determine the price of coin. Crappy exchanges with low demand will bring the coins price down. Good exchanges with good demand will bring coin price up. |
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