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381  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Miners: Time to deprioritise/filter address reuse! on: November 20, 2013, 02:04:52 PM
If you have any other/better ideas to help preserve fungibility then we need to hear them now! Please!

How is ZeroCoin doing? I read they are going to start an alt coin and have the transaction size down to very reasonable 500B but they didn't answer my question if cpu use made similar progress.
382  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Anyone use btcrobot.com? on: November 19, 2013, 03:34:51 AM
It would have been WAY more profitable if the Robot had done the EXACT OPPOSITE of what it did! A little upsetting in these volatile times.

… just wait for when it goes down. You will see how it magically protects you from any losses. And don't come claiming buy and hold would work better because we all know the bot© is perfect.
383  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: [ANN] LocalBitcoins.com - a location-based bitcoin to cash marketplace on: November 18, 2013, 11:58:28 PM
Please take this on you to not have many users down rate their market makers. Thanx
384  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: [ANN] LocalBitcoins.com - a location-based bitcoin to cash marketplace on: November 18, 2013, 11:56:57 PM
Busiest day in ages. My gsm/edge "doesn't work", restaurants wifi doesn't work. Next wifi doesn't work. Shop owners are pissed, my clients are pissed, i am pissed.

At least now i know i am not alone :/
385  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: Bets of Bitcoin - Bitcoin betting on real world events on: November 18, 2013, 04:38:07 AM
I was totally paranoid about them for the same reasons and never played long running bets but thanks to you bumping this thread I logged in and found some $600 laying around since a year. I can report that WITHDRAWAL worked like a charm Smiley
386  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 18, 2013, 02:48:29 AM
Ok, China is totally on steroids:





Right now arbitrage between bitcoin China and bitstamp would yield 19% profit! (3552CNY / 491USD = 1.19)

Sure, Gox is dangling around at 10% but China is just insane!
387  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: New App for monitoring Mtgox,bitstamp etc for Windows / OSX on: November 18, 2013, 02:23:19 AM
anything that is not open source and compiled binary-compatible on various machines and signed to be ok should not be installed next to your wallet that you would mind losing. If you want to help him testing his black box binaries, please do so on an air-gapped machine, far from your treasure or at the very least inside a virtual box.
388  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / decentralized bitpay-like service on: November 17, 2013, 05:59:30 PM
Who would want to see a decentralized bitpay-like service?
I shared it on reddit first. Not sure if the one reply I got is representative of the community's enthusiasm about such a service, so I ask here again:

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The hackathon thread inspired me to share an idea for an Android app that should not take more than a weekend to code:
I want an Android App that allows me to run deals with physical places to accept bitcoins into my wallet. The app should keep both me the bitcoin junkie and the what-is-bitcoin-merchant updated of our mutual dept.
  • The merchant should be able to type in the price in any currency (google converts to USD, bitstamp converts to BTC, later updates will support formulas using vwap, min, max, etc.)
  • The app should be able to show a QR-Code with amount
  • The merchant should know (sound) when the bitcoins arrived (blockchain.info has an api for that, later a dedicated server could take over. This server would not need to know anything about the users)
  • The bitcoin junkie should also get alerted of his updated debt, maybe via a mail ("check your balance"-ping. transaction timestamps and historical exchange rates should allow to come to coherent conclusions both end without writing details into these mails).
  • When the merchant receives fiat from the bitcoin junkie, he should be able to tell the app.
The bitcoin junkie part of the app should be able to keep track of more than one merchants.
Improvements would be to incorporate fees for fiat delivery delays (parties should be able to agree on for example "weekly settlement is free but any day delay costs 1%), limits on the amount of bitcoins to be bought ("I help you get started with bitcoin but will only buy up to $200 per month"), merchants should be able to link to several bitcoin junkies, too (maybe the one would handle big volume but the other would take no fee etc.).
It would help people to accept bitcoins in a bitpay way so they never actually touch bitcoins and don't need to worry about volatility or regulations as in their books it's just the bitcoin junkie who owes them fiat. I'm interested in any feedback as I'm an Android developer I'm thinking of doing this myself but would be in to participate in an open source project or would be happy to see others get this going as an open source project.

This is not meant to run as one big branded service but as an enabler for many thousands of independent "providers" that would operate under the radar. It would also primarily be meant for markets where there is no good bitcoin infrastructure yet.
389  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Miners: Time to deprioritise/filter address reuse! on: November 17, 2013, 02:23:38 PM
Why miners care so much to leave the pool they are used to? They are not the ones suffering from this patch. I am saying those who disagrees has no chance to create a new pool to protect themselves.

Miners aren't Bitcoin users?  Not a single miner will be affected by this patch in any way shape or form?  Not a single miner will be convinced by your FUD and doom and gloom and switch in order to save Bitcoin from Luke-Jr?

Is your worlds so black and white that miners are a group outside of the group of users?

We went through the same kind fud with P2SH, we went through the same kind of fud with dust threshold.  Bitcoin survives.  The protocol is robust, clients and service providers will make improvements.  If they don't they lose marketshare to those who do.   
Please calm down and think about it more. A small part of miners may care about this patch does not change the fact that now everyone's fate are in the hands of a few operators of big pools.

Some day you may disagree some actions they will take. But you can do nothing, just like me now.



If you create a pool with a clear mission, miners will join it no matter if you have less than one block per week. Spread enough fud about the big pools and yours will grow. Even though I don't agree on that subject, more pools and more solo miners that care about these behind the scenes politics are a good thing.

Mining reminds me a lot of liquid democracy. This is great Smiley
390  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Block chain size/storage and slow downloads for new users on: November 17, 2013, 04:31:40 AM

UCE is basically a local wallet. It has less privacy as you log in and it has less security as the server might change its mind and grab your key today.

UCE does not work for services that require to take control over your money. If you want to put your money into the books of an exchange or on a long time bet, it has to be taken out of your control and into the control of the website. If you don't want to pay for the blockchain every time you change your mind on your bids, you have to also grant the service control over your wallet, making UCE impossible.

Basically UCE is only an option for a pure wallet app. Anything else needs to be a service with a classical web wallet on top.


This is true, but we were discussing wallets fairly specifically.  You points about privacy are good ones.  Theft would take the form of a trojaned JS (or whatever) so it is not trivial and a inputs.io style theft would not be very possible.

I only trust what I can afford to lose to anyone.  A service which is demonstrably more complex to exploit will earn more of my trust and I'd potentially maintain a bigger balance there.  I use exclusively on-line wallet these days because the data rate needed to support a full node exceeds my monthly bandwidth allowance and my secure computer does not run Java.  I'd run something like Multibit (albeit with distaste) if I could compile it myself, but even then I'd still prefer an on-line wallet for spending money.  I don't mind hooking up to a low funded on-line wallet with my Android and Windows machines, and I personally am not terribly bothered by privacy issues for a majority of my activities.

I would prefer methods with a privacy focus out of principle.  As the coinjoin and other methods develop I'll support them for political reasons more than anything.



I was not very privacy aware when using bitcoin spinner on my android until a trading partner asked me about my trading history as the one address I had been using for 2 years was showing volumes well beyond my peak holdings in my secure wallet. That was when it dawned on me that whenever I would be out on the street with a loaded wallet, all of these former trade partners would be able to know exactly how well I charged my android wallet. Financial privacy matters. Trust me.
391  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: [ANN] LocalBitcoins.com - a location-based bitcoin to cash marketplace on: November 17, 2013, 01:59:49 AM
Scammers are why we can't have nice things.
But scammers are pretty much everywhere.

Which is why we can't nice things anywhere Sad . Scammers always makes things more challenging.

With bitcoin and smart money we work hard to eliminate scamming. Isn't it beautiful that we already have provably fair gambling? This is certainly not the last sector where bitcoin has the potential to eliminate fraud.
392  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Block chain size/storage and slow downloads for new users on: November 17, 2013, 01:56:43 AM

Just use a online wallet, blockchain, coinbase etc.
… and get your money stolen or get LE easy access? Come on, the bitcoin idea is be your own bank. No third party risk should be acceptable for the more security aware people.

Imagine if all big online wallets are destroyed or taken by government.

What will become of btc?

How many coins, that are currently in circulation are stored on the cloud? 10% 20% 50% ?

With these talks of regulation - if they implement it, they will surely go all-in to force it on these online wallets and(!) exchanges.

If the service used UCE (User Controlled Encryption) then the results of a service takeover attack would (or could) be minimal.  The attacker could not obtain the BTC, and the user could, with effort, re-claim it.  In my understanding of things, blockchain.info wallet is basically of this type.

Interestingly, cloud storage and many other forms of data transmission and storage (e.g., messaging) are trivially and easily protected by these methods.  Brazil is on some kick to 'keep data local'.  This is absurd.  Data managed by UCE can be stored and transmitted across untrusted mediums safely and trivially.  There is a media blackout on mega.co.nz at this time, but the service they provide seems to be working well (and they take Bitcoin!)  I'm looking forward further developments by that organization.

In my opinion, a resistance to using UCE is attributable to about one thing and one thing only.  Namely, the provisioner of the service wants to, or needs to, have the option to compromise the data.

UCE is basically a local wallet. It has less privacy as you log in and it has less security as the server might change its mind and grab your key today.

UCE does not work for services that require to take control over your money. If you want to put your money into the books of an exchange or on a long time bet, it has to be taken out of your control and into the control of the website. If you don't want to pay for the blockchain every time you change your mind on your bids, you have to also grant the service control over your wallet, making UCE impossible.

Basically UCE is only an option for a pure wallet app. Anything else needs to be a service with a classical web wallet on top.
393  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Miners: Time to deprioritise/filter address reuse! on: November 16, 2013, 03:46:56 AM
I don't agree at all that this solves anything and thus was forced to opt for one of the personal assault options (why not word it less personal? yeah, tonal bitcoins edit war haha).

blacklisting would not work on an address basis but on an output basis and all of this output's descendants would be flagged, so it makes no change to incentivize using more addresses.

At first I was afraid your patch was about some security issue from private keys being revealed but now I feel like this move is simply bad for mobile clients that typically use just one address, for vanity addresses, for charities, satoshi dice (your biggest friend?), etc.

Is at least only the transaction from that address throttled or is it also the transaction to known addresses?
394  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Will Keyhotee help to resolve the "coin tracking" issue? on: November 16, 2013, 01:41:26 AM
The Keyhotee-scheme might be a solution but I can't click on any of your options as I don't know all about your product. I guess it is open source and I guess it is great but the questions would make users endorse a service they don't know.
395  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: I taint rich! (Raw txn fun and disrupting 'taint' analysis; >51kBTC linked!) on: November 16, 2013, 12:50:44 AM
Who would willingly participate in a CoinJoin transaction if they already have clean coins?  Naturally the inputs to these CoinJoins are going to be *very* red.  Participating would be a bad idea unless you've got some extremely dirty coins.  These coin mixers will be full of the filthiest of filthy coins.

I don't see much of an advantage to mixing around red coins - you still get back red coins.  So you might go from having 100% DPR coins, to having new coins that are 30% DPR, 30% inputs.io hack, 30% CryptoLocker, and 10% clean from whichever fool decided to donate their clean coins to the sea of red.

This scheme only seems to obscure the history by mixing transactions, but it doesn't reduce the red tarnish for the average participant.

It's the same arguments over and over again. If DPR-Coins are worth less than others, how can a merchant possibly accept coins? We need fungibility and it should be enforced by default.

Because people freak out about getting "dirty" coins, mixing has to be a default feature of the wallet that fulfills another purpose and thus only "accidentally" mixes. Reducing dust would help the miners once pruning is in place. Merging my dust outputs would reveal shared ownership, so this should be done in a transaction that involves other's dust or not so dust outputs. Once Clients mix by default, there will not be anything wrong with owning "the wrong coins". It's sad it was not in the default client since ever.
396  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Instawallet claim process on: November 14, 2013, 11:22:50 PM
I put in a claim to instawallet, still waiting for my bitcoin!! Please help!
The reason you have not seen your payout is simply that you did not approve the proposed payout.
As explained in my previous posts, we need discharge from the people we pay out otherwise there is no way to remove the liability from our books.
The discharge is required because the database has been tampered with: even though it may be minimal and partial, there is a non zero probability that the proposed amount does not match the expected amount.
I am posting this here for the last time because I realize the thread has been polluted by a few assholes (tvbcof, giszmo, etc) that have nothing else to do but waste everybody else's time, making it difficult for claimants to find the information.
A sendmany transaction will be sent  in january to those who filed a claim on time but failed to approve their payout so far.
To approve a payout, simply visit your wallet page (do not forget to type https://www.instawallet.org/w/yourwalletsecreturl in full). Thanks for your cooperation in getting these claims resolved.

Quoting for reference.

You publicly call me an asshole for persistently and unsuccessfully wanting my money back? How about resolving claim ID 34a28881-b884-4b44-94d2-669b4d46962c instead?

Where and how did you get a claim ID number? Was it submitted during the initial claim process or later during the dispute process? When I filed my three claims back in early April when the claims process started, I don't recall seeing one, nor received one via email. The only thing I recall during the inputting of the three claims is that after I did such and clicked submit (send, etc.), an identical claim page was generated, thus nothing worth taking a screenshot of, but safely assumed they were submitted properly.

You ask me? In https://www.instawallet.org/w/poliglotabitcoindemo there is a Claim# for example. Check with your url, there should be one, too.
397  Economy / Services / Re: Bitcoin 100: Developed Specifically for Non-Profits on: November 14, 2013, 05:28:10 PM
What exactly is meant when only "secular" charities are considered?

The Salvation Army is clearly a Christian Protestant organization, but obviously, the vast majority of their work would please any secular Humanist. I mean - they don't just go somewhere like Haiti during a disaster, drop off a hundred-thousand Bibles and say "Godspeed!" There is some unfortunate homophobic sentiment within their structure, and other iffy history, but the organization has been affirmed by governments as "secular enough."

Would the Salvation Army be rejected as a charity for BTC100?

To answer your last question, probably not.

The caveat is mainly in place to make sure endowments are not allocated to NPOs that are clearly attached to a particular religious organization. For an example, there may be a Baptist Church in Atlanta that has a separate 501(c)3 set up to garner donations for some cause of which does a phenomenal job with their non-profit. In that case, it would not qualify. Realistically, there are thousands of such caused set up by churches, mostly at the local level, and it's these that we opt to not include for consideration.

I hope I addressed your question/concern to your liking, but if not, please let me know, and thanks for the opportunity to letting us do such, Kluge.

~TMIBTCITW

Basically I guess anybody in this thread/who donated to B100 would have a strong voice (not a veto) if he objected the one or the other cause. Distance to hocus pocus, shadiness and reach of the organisation will be taken into consideration and religions and political parties have an x3 hocus pocus boost.
398  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Instawallet claim process on: November 14, 2013, 04:23:57 PM
The fight club has two rules, Instawallet had only one : "He who has knowledge of the secret URL is the legitimate owner of the funds".

I hereby claim access to the funds of https://www.instawallet.org/w/poliglotabitcoindemo

Wait a second, you made your wallet URL public before the fucking claims process was even started, and then you come bitch about us not paying you?
You jump to conclusions right after we get compromised, throw shit at us before we're even done piecing the claims process together, act like an idiot by voluntarily publishing your wallet URL on bitcointalk and then you come complain that handling your claim isn't as straightforward as the others?

Look in a mirror and get real, you shat on your own feet.

The correct and logical course of action now becomes crystal clear, we'll pay both claims half of the outstanding wallet balance.
Because … you have doubt of the true owner?
Because … you love to troll me some more pages?
Because … you want to retaliate me for jumping the line?
Because … what exactly?

Telling everybody that you leaked your urls into the google index and that you will give them to whoever is first to claim them literally invited people to set up some operation to find these wallets and claim faster than others by the time you finally open your claims process weeks later and that was the point I was getting at back then. Is it that hard to understand?

399  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Instawallet claim process on: November 14, 2013, 03:20:57 PM
For the record, gizsmo pretends to have a claim even though he is not making it possible for me to resolve it by providing the required information: claim number, walet url and amount (even after me asking him about it via PM).
He is challenging the claim process because he obviously has no concept of what it means to run said process.
He is only waving a claim number so that no one can see its minute amount.
Such a minute amount would reveal that he is simply on a manhunt.
Baby giszmo (Leo whatshisname) is behaving like an asshole because he does not know that a business can be made of hard working, dedicated people that don't take calomny so lightly.

I gave you all that information you had asked for twice (once via the claim ID which should be enough as there is all the other information but as you also asked the wallet id, I gave it to you via pm. Now that it's public anyway, here it is again: poliglotabitcoindemo) but you still won't resolve the claim?

Yeah, others have lost bigger sums and so have many people I gave bitcoins to via your service because I can't reach them and they don't care (yet). We've seen before that you make your customer's claimed balances public without being entitled to do so but in this case you were as my WOT rating already made the claim url public which contains the balance: 0.01BTC. So does your "oops we got hacked" entitle you to steal $4 or whatever it will be worth in the future by the time we settle this?

I don't work like "hmm … they have 0.01BTC of my money, going through the claims process will take maybe 1h of my time … that is $4/h … not worth it".
I want to fight scammers in bitcoin cause there is just so many of them, so I work more like "hmm, so they claim they got hacked and they have a claims process to get the money back. If these funds are handled with responsibility that leaves no doubt that they are not trying to get rich quick by allegedly having been hacked, I can live with my losses. Lets see what they do with the funds they were trusted with."

Sorry I can only conclude from all I see that you still sit on tons of money with no plans of settling claims, so why should I stop claiming what is mine?
400  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Instawallet claim process on: November 14, 2013, 01:15:32 PM
I put in a claim to instawallet, still waiting for my bitcoin!! Please help!
The reason you have not seen your payout is simply that you did not approve the proposed payout.
As explained in my previous posts, we need discharge from the people we pay out otherwise there is no way to remove the liability from our books.
The discharge is required because the database has been tampered with: even though it may be minimal and partial, there is a non zero probability that the proposed amount does not match the expected amount.
I am posting this here for the last time because I realize the thread has been polluted by a few assholes (tvbcof, giszmo, etc) that have nothing else to do but waste everybody else's time, making it difficult for claimants to find the information.
A sendmany transaction will be sent  in january to those who filed a claim on time but failed to approve their payout so far.
To approve a payout, simply visit your wallet page (do not forget to type https://www.instawallet.org/w/yourwalletsecreturl in full). Thanks for your cooperation in getting these claims resolved.

Quoting for reference.

You publicly call me an asshole for persistently and unsuccessfully wanting my money back? How about resolving claim ID 34a28881-b884-4b44-94d2-669b4d46962c instead?
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