My point being: BFL the way it is presented to us certainly hasn't got the resources and funds to develop custom chips.
They do now.  By custom chips I mean Full Custom ASICs, that is what they are claiming they are making. That costs about 10M USD for starters.There might be some way to get it cheaper if you have the ties but unless whoever behind BFL is some engineering wizard he doesn't even have the means to develop it. If you know how the process of semiconductor manufacturing actually works the notation of a BFL custom ASIC is ridiculous. To get an idea what kind of people pulled this thing off in the past... (Ninja Style ASIC development using selfwritten software), he did it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_H._MooreThere have already been threads indicating that a custom ASIC on an older process could be under $1 mil USD. That being said what BFL is advertising sounds a bit too good to be true. I suppose worst case I won't mine for 2-3 months while waiting for BFL to catch up with sales/supply |
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Ah, no worries then. I agree, bringing friends in to a business, even if it is for fun, complicates things.
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Payment received, much thanks.
Is there any way that the stats for a user could be presented via a JSON-RPC api? I'd like to record my mining stats to plot averages and I'd rather not hit your webpage repeatedly and all the associated database hits that go with that.
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I demand a recount. With numbers like this clearly someone is stuffing ballot boxes for option 2  |
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Thanks for putting the payment cycle on a 7 day cycle instead of 8.
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Dibs on the first unit. I'll even prepay while you finish developing it.
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I think that there is demand for an alternative to BFL because many (myself included) do not like their business practices. If you have a competitive product then I'm sure that somebody would be willing to act as a distributor / retailer to handle the shipping for you (and to earn some money).
The license and permission of selling products to either direct customers or retailers in China are a little more painful to get. But you are right, it should still be taken into account as a possibility. Thanks for your suggestion. The Bitcoin community would welcome a competing ASIC option to BFL with open arms. If you need proof of this just check out the responses and orders going on in the Enterpoint thread for a product that barely even works. The openbitASIC discussion is another great example of people clamoring for another option. A company that does ASICs right is a company that will win loyal customers. I firmly believe people put up with BFL because the rewards currently outweigh the difficulties. Hell, I even considered purchasing a few Singles myself.. Otherwise, another mining company, regardless of how the hashes are generated, is just another mining company. |
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Ok.. so you announce in the custom hardware forum about a product that you may develop that nobody can buy. You instead state that you will mine on the hardware for yourselves and sell some of the hashing power.
Why would you even waste the time to post all this information here? Make a website, post to the mining sub-forum and/or marketplace->services and who cares where the hashes come from. We don't care that it costs $xxx,xxx dollars to manufacture your masks and the ROI when all you are selling is a commodity(hashes).
This is like selling bushels of wheat and telling me how much sun was needed, how much fertilizer was needed and how much gasoline was used to plant, tend and harvest. Just sell me the damn wheat.
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Maybe he realized that there is no way to compete with BFL and wants to get a job there, by showing how 'smart' he is. Otherwise, he'd just make something better himself  Well. I don't need job with them, but I may sell to them solution of course. Right now they have more than enough money just to buy some know-hows about sha256. And looking at their hash-rates I clearly see that they need it :-) As for Spartan solution - it is already fastest, and if yohan's prices for board combined with my bitstream price per Mh/s would be $0.53 / Mh/s for FPGA (1200 Mh/s for $640). This already beats BFL prices. If my licensing per-spartan would be applicable ($25 per chip) - then it would be 1200 Mh/s for $740 - $0.616 - again beats BFL. But - yohan prefers 840 Mh/s :-) While our capabilities do not allow to deploy quickly and cheap solutions. For ASIC solution it is tougher - because this sets stakes higher. And I don't like to happen competing with phantom like it was with 20 W / 1050 Gh/s single... Trying like crazy getting 500 Mh/s from single Spartan :-) And then seeing that no magic was there, just some marketing fraud. I think they did it with this intention as well, to make others spending time trying to compete with the thing you can't :-) And then simply say "oops" - it is 80 W but not 20 W :-) Sorry - this is the thing that I won't forget :-) Quite happy that mini-rig was done differently. :-) If I recall, don't you run your Spartan6s at higher voltages to achieve the MH/s that you are with your design? I imagine you'd hit the same problem that the tricone design is hitting with sagging voltages on boards that don't feed a slightly higher core voltage. |
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Why are you so impatient?
Because he's incredibly spastic. Just check out his mining company. |
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/killself c'mon guys quit telling me to sell my card on ebay.... What happened to bitcoins being our purchase method, Im in the forums because i DONT want to use ebay and get PayPalDollars And have people pull bullcrap like "i say it doesnt work, Chargeback, Thanks for the free card" https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=83987.0Nobody wants your damn HD 6990. With the BFL announcement you are going to be hardpressed finding a BTC miner that wants to pick up your card to mine with it. If you were selling HD 5830s for $70-80 then you'd have better luck but a $300+ card isn't going to get many/any takers. Sell the card on eBay and pre-order your own Jalepeno. Whining about it here for days is not going to get you a sale. Geese, Fine no need to be so harsh, it's not like i was bumping my thread Geese are delicious. The issue is you have two threads on this and many people have told you what you should have already observed. You don't exactly have a difficult problem, you just seem to have a strong aversion to eBay. Makes sense though, it sounds like the card isn't in exactly the best of shape. |
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What... is it possible to invest in alpacas and see a return decent? If so please contact me, I'm intrigued. |
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Any change to have the 15 min average and the 60 min average?
The 5 minutes i keep getting 30G or 10G, a longer time frame could be more reliable.
Yes will get that sorted among a ton of other things that I will roll out one by one rather than in total which I just dont seem to get to. Agreed. Now that I can't use GPUMAX to monitor my hashing power over time it would be immensely helpful if the bonuspool stats were available.
As noted above, if you were on this pool until about a week ago it was a real mess for about 4months straight and nothing compared to how it runs now. So that said, I can spend less time worrying about the pool and more time actually getting neccesary/working website features added however I wont be bothering with unneccesary features just yet ie. bunch of graphs and what not. Don't want fancy graphs, just numbers. Hell, if you were to just dump the last 24 hours of whatever stats you had via an API call I could do the graphing myself locally. In the end I just want to quickly make sure I haven't lost a node without having to tunnel through my reverse SSH tunnel and check every box. |
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/killself c'mon guys quit telling me to sell my card on ebay.... What happened to bitcoins being our purchase method, Im in the forums because i DONT want to use ebay and get PayPalDollars And have people pull bullcrap like "i say it doesnt work, Chargeback, Thanks for the free card" https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=83987.0Nobody wants your damn HD 6990. With the BFL announcement you are going to be hardpressed finding a BTC miner that wants to pick up your card to mine with it. If you were selling HD 5830s for $70-80 then you'd have better luck but a $300+ card isn't going to get many/any takers. Sell the card on eBay and pre-order your own Jalepeno. Whining about it here for days is not going to get you a sale. |
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Any change to have the 15 min average and the 60 min average?
The 5 minutes i keep getting 30G or 10G, a longer time frame could be more reliable.
Agreed. Now that I can't use GPUMAX to monitor my hashing power over time it would be immensely helpful if the bonuspool stats were available. |
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Thanks for the update. I'm sure you guys know by now how helpful it is to calm down customer's fears with the turmoil that recent announcements have created. Look forward to your official bitstream and hopefully we'll all just consider Cairnsmore1 as a proof of market product for Enterpoint. edit: I should clarify. The BFL announcement has me shitting bricks and consulting soothsayers, fortune tellers and beer bottles as to how legitimate it is. Not sure if any other miners are in the same boat but it isn't a fun one  At least in the end I'm hoping Enterpoint will be there with future products that leverage better technologies. |
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If you are just using it for mining then there's no point in throwing a Bulldozer in that board. Regardless it should work and I've got 5 cards running in a pair of these boards. Been working error free for about 2 months.
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They are lost. Forever...
That's disappointing... There should be a way to "somehow" gain access to idle wallets. Reward the miners somehow... Maybe once all bitcoins are... "mined". There have been many discussions of this and they all end with the issue of people having cold storage wallets and cold coins. Go check the dev section of these forums -> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=6.0 |
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Are you planning on contacting TMC (eldentyrell) and providing him with stuff he needs to make his bitstream compatible with Cairnsmore1?
We have had a conversation but it does need some work from our side that would take from our bitstream progression. So it's not likely to get us there much faster that our own approach. so for the moment we continue as we are. I will be very surprised if you will be able to produce a bitstream of 220MHs+ performance in a reasonable timeframe (1-2 weeks). From what I've heard, it's a pain in the neck to work with Spartan-6 in such high performance application. I believe TML would be much faster to implement. I personally would just prefer a 750-800 MH/s firmware to get my boards running. After all that's what I was sold on (double Icarus performance for $640). Any additional work would be icing on the cake. You'd have to be quite a ninja to write a bitstream even of that performance in 2 weeks. Isn't the ZTEX firmware open-sourced? I believe ZTEX's quad is treated as 4 individual FPGAs, which if I understand, Cairnsmore1 supports besides the inter-FPGA link to mimic Icarus. I could be wrong, but I don't think you'd need to be a ninja. |
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