Who is responsible for the strikes? Think about who benefits more from this incident in order to disperse the enemy's forces and directly involve Moldova, neighboring Romania and, potentially, all NATO forces into the conflict. It should be taken into account that one of the largest military depots in Europe is located in Transnistria, where about 20,000 tons of old ammunition from Soviet times is stored. The president of Transnistria’s government Vadim Krasnoselsky claimed: "Traces of these attacks lead to Ukraine. I assume that those who organized this attack have the goal of dragging Transnistria into the conflict". Just a few hours after the incident in Transnistria, former adviser to the Minister of Defense of Ukraine, Yuri Butusov, said that Ukraine should strike at Transnistria in order to save Mariupol. It is vital for Ukraine to strike at Transnistria for six reasons:
1. Capture of many thousands of Russian prisoners for exchange;
2. Elimination of the threat of a breakthrough by Russian troops, the Russian offensive of Minnekaev will lose its meaning, because we will transfer the liberated Transnistria under the control of the legitimate authorities and the armed forces of Moldova;
3. Liquidation of the black hole on the border of Ukraine, through which Russia drives smuggling flows, and earns billions on this smuggling;
4. Capture of large arsenals of Russian ammunition;
5. The release of two brigades that are forced to protect the Ukrainian south from the threat from Transnistria;
6. Transnistria is a source of international terrorism that threatens the whole of Europe, from where Russian special services illegally supply weapons around the world. Today there was another terrorist attack. It is time to eliminate this threat to Southern Europe. Also Aleksey Arestovich, who is the current adviser to President Zelensky, showed on YouTube that the capture of Transnistria for the Ukrainian army would be as easy as snapping fingers. Host: Is Ukraine able to capture Transnistria?
Arestovich: We could do it somehow. This is the territory of sovereign Moldova. We cannot even make such statements, only after the request of the Moldovan side.
Host: We are discussing theoretically. How many forces will be needed to capture Tiraspol?
Arestovich: We can handle it if need be. < snaps fingers >
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... I'm talking about civilians being killed by Russian soldiers in occupied territories. Lots of proof of that, which Russian propaganda labelled as fake, up to and including drone videos and satellite photos, we've been through that. You can keep claiming it's fake but to any reasonable person it's reasonable evidence of killing civilians.
Looting has also been widely documented, including Russian soldiers shipping the "goods" home from Belarus.
Do you know what evidence is accepted by courts as irrefutable? I'm asking because the Pentagon could not unequivocally confirm the version of Ukraine about Bucha, and the head of the UN asked for an independent investigation. That is, the Pentagon is not sure, the UN doesn't know, but suchmoon from the Bitcointalk has already figured out everything. Only as a result of a forensic medical examination the exact date, place and cause of death of Buchan residents will be established.  The satellite images which were published by the NYT, raised questions from a Turkish news site after examining the satellite's trajectory and the direction of the shadows in the images. In addition, what can you say about the residents of the Rozovsky district in Zaporozhye, who, instead of fleeing without looking back or fighting against Russia, voted to join the Donetsk People's Republic, who are in alliance with Russia? Also, the Dutch journalist Sonya Van Den Ende released a report from Volnovakha (Donbass), after this place was occupied by Russian troops. The journalist doesn't say that the military commit war crimes against Ukrainian civilians. About looting. Presumably you mean this video? - https://youtu.be/6vyY4rnJ7lAIf there is a strong evidence, then criminal cases of looting should be opened in Ukraine and Russia, the names of conditional criminals and the amount of stolen goods should be announced at the official level. Has anyone heard of this or are all investigations and persecutions now taking place only in the information field?
5. "Russia "defending" Donbas but killing predominantly Russian-speaking Donbas population".
This is a very serious accusation. What are you basing it on?
Mariupol. Here is a very fresh video from Mariupol: https://youtu.be/YZGo5roYEJEThe fact that this is Mariupol in 2022 is partially confirmed by the words at the end of the video about the escaped mayor Vadim Boychenko, as well as about the military who are hiding at the plant and the name of the street. In this video, several women in broad daylight on a busy street publicly accused the Ukrainian army of crimes against local residents. Do you think they brazenly lie, not being afraid that passers-by may catch them in a lie? Or maybe all these people on the street are actors or too scared to tell the truth? Submit your versions. If you do not believe these reports, then invite independent journalists and human rights activists who will interview the population of Mariupol about what has been happening in the city for the past two months. Probably, many forum users will be interested to know what they talked about. I will quote their words here.  00:00 - 00:13 First woman (with girl) We ask for a parade! And we want these Ukrainians who destroyed our city to be taken out at the parade and we want to spit in their faces because our children are suffering. 00:13 - 00:20 Second woman (without right arm) They left us without shit, without food, without water. Sorry, I'm disabled, without a hand. They left me with shit. 00:20 - 00:35 First woman continued They drove into the yards and shot. They said: "This is for you because you made a referendum in 2014". They drove back and forth here and shot in the yards. They said: "If you interfere with us, then we shoot to kill". 00:35 - 00:40 Third woman They took people out of the 9-floor house and said... 00:40 - 00:41 First woman screamed Women were raped! 00:41 - 00:48 Third woman ... that people have to leave their homes within an hour, and after that they set fire to everything, and ... 00:49 - 01:00 First woman Personally, we ... the 9-floor house was on fire, we personally were in a bomb shelter, the boys helped people take things out to the bomb shelter. They started shooting at the legs. 01:00 - 01:02 The operator asks Who? Who? 01:02 - 01:11 First woman This is Ukraine, our so-called defenders who hide, bitches, in factories! It's these creatures that we want to spit in the face. 01:11 - 01:25 Second woman (without right arm) They asked residents: "Is it possible to climb onto the 9-floor house? The residents said "no". Then, they say: "The kingdom of heaven to you", - they said to these people who lived in the house. This is the kingdom of heaven for them. 01:25 - 01:28 First woman Yes, yes. Broke houses. 01:28 - 01:33 Third woman There are houses completely burnt out, 9-floor houses. 01:37 - 01:50 Fourth woman (older) Let me tell. My dad is 84 years old from the left bank, in order to get to his daughter, he walked along the road under fire. It was picked up and brought to me by volunteers. 01:51 - 01:55 First woman Let the whole country know that western Ukraine is a brute! 01:56 - 02:00 Third woman shouts at some passerby 12 corridors are open?!... Not a single corridor was! No one! 02:00 - 03:10 First woman Let them come and recover everything that they have destroyed. They will eat pancakes, and we will rebuild it? Here behind Levchenko (apparently about the street) people were sitting, they were kept there. They were told that if you leave, we will shoot you as traitors. Women were raped, men were beaten. Corpses, here you go. They say: "Here is your 200th, if you want, take it". Burial was not even allowed. That's what the creatures did! Today people went, my neighbor's boyfriend went to take our work books, and he says: "It's good that you didn't go with me, it's just hot there. Dogs carry corpses and dogs eat it all". It's terrible what's going on. The children saw it all (points to the girl), they see everything. This is a brute. When the DPR came in, I swear to you (she crosses herself), I cooked porridge for them. I cook porridge, the boys came in. Porridge, medicines - everything is for them. I say, boys, thank you very much. I want to say thank you to Russia for freeing us from this beast. 03:10 - 03:20 Third woman Such information has reached us, maybe it's gossip. Zelensky said that he gives 10 years to those who receive Russian rations. 03:20 - 03:26 First woman Where is Zelensky?! Where is our Boychenko?! Where?! 03:26 - 03:32 Third woman Didn't help at all, he abandoned people and simply vanished!
... although the portable crematoriums used in Ukraine by the Russians gives me pause to think
As far as I understand, the source for the rumors about Russian mobile crematorium is an article in The Telegraph magazine. Apart from rumors, is there any evidence that Russian troops are now using similar machines in Ukraine? The firm that produces them claims that they are "not intended to be used for ritual purposes and the destruction of Gruz-200 (i.e. dead bodies)."
I have already commented on the Wagner group before. If compare the Russian "Wagner Group" and the Ukrainian "Azov Battalion", the difference between them is that the "Wagner Group" is an unofficial private organization, while "Azov" is the official unit of the National Guard of Ukraine. US Congress recognized "Azov" as a neo-Nazi entity and banned the supply of weapons to them. According to The Economist the Wagner Group is called "Putin's private army", because the head of Ukraine’s security services called it that. But in addition to the words of a Ukrainian official, are there any evidence? |
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It is likely that Russia may exaggerate its achievements in terms of the number of destroyed Ukrainian military equipment.
Exaggerate LOL. Some other "exaggerations": 1. Just military training, definitely not invasion. 2. Entire Ukrainian air force and AA defense was allegedly destroyed but continues to function two months later. 3. Russian soldiers came to "liberate" but instead killed civilians and looted homes. 4. 30 biolabs developing military geese and pigeon corps. 5. Russia "defending" Donbas but killing predominantly Russian-speaking Donbas population. 6. The flagship randomly catches fire because it can't possibly be that the non-existent Bayraktars and non-existent Ukrainian anti-ship missiles could have something to do with it. 7. But by all means, keep looking for excuses for Russian propaganda lies. suchmoon, I numbered the paragraphs in your message for detailed analysis and easier commenting. 1. "Just military training, definitely not invasion"The Russian leadership deceived everyone in early February 2022 that they were just conducting military training and were not going to attack. But what does this lie have to do with the topic of the achievements of the Russian army in Ukraine? Most likely, the plan and the exact date of the invasion were known to a limited circle of people in the Kremlin. This lie partially explains why the statements of the Russian high command are not trusted. However, this doesn't mean that the statements of all Russian officials are now a priori false. Of course, they need additional verification, but it is also impossible to completely discard them as unreliable. 2. "Entire Ukrainian air force and AA defense was allegedly destroyed but continues to function two months later".Please indicate your source, according to which the Russian military said about the "entire destruction" of Ukrainian air force. As far as I know, the Russian General Staff didn't report such a thing. It is necessary to take into account every word in official statements in order to avoid false interpretations. On March 25, 2022, Colonel General Sergei Rudskoy told reporters: "At present, the Ukrainian air force and air defense system have been almost completely destroyed. The country's naval forces have ceased to exist". Further in the same article, the number of destroyed and remaining Ukrainian military equipment is given: "The Russian military destroyed [...] 112 out of 152 aircraft, 75 helicopters out of 149,
148 air defense systems S-300 and Buk M1 out of 180 [...]" For those who doubt that the Russian army now has an advantage in the air, I recommend to read the article in the Insider magazine dated April 16, 2022. "Ukrainian pilots launch 'Buy Me A Jet' campaign to help defeat Russia's massive air superiority"By the way, a video was posted in this article, and attentive users noticed that at 01:15 a Ukrainian pilot wears a Black Sun chevron, which refers to Nazi symbols.  3. "Russian soldiers came to "liberate" but instead killed civilians and looted homes".Nothing can justify violence, and civilians suffer in every war, but there should be strong grounds for saying that Russian troops are purposefully killing Ukrainian civilians, literally engaging in genocide. Note: 14.04.2022 | "The UK, Canada, Poland and Spain have condemned Russian military action as genocide,
while France, Germany and leaders of the EU who visited Kyiv last week have refrained from the outright use of the word". According to the UN, from February 24 to April 15, 2022, 1982 civilians died in Ukraine. You can compare this information with the data from the Iraq War because it is well known. This statistic is consistent with the Statista website. The war in Iraq began on March 20, 2003. In Iraq 7434 citizens died after 42 days (from March 20 to May 1 in 2003). In the early days of the war in Iraq, more than three times as many people died as in Ukraine. But, as far as I know, the world community has not condemned the United States for the targeted extermination of Iraqi civilians.  On the issue of statistics, it must be taken into account that complete chaos is happening in Ukraine now. There is already a documented case of how Ukrainian Territorial Defense fighters, while under the influence of drugs, shot a 12-year-old Ukrainian boy and wounded his friend, thinking that they were Russian saboteurs. This is to the words of some users that civilians in Ukraine allegedly do not die at the hands of their military. It is still in question to which side these victims will be attributed. And there is a high risk that such cases will continue, since in Ukraine thousands of machine guns were distributed to volunteers and, moreover, Ukrainian prisoners were released so that they would go to war with the Russian army. 4. "30 biolabs developing military geese and pigeon corps".You distorted the original statement of the Representative of Russia to the United Nations Vasily Nebenzya. On March 11, he made the statement: The Russian Federation’s military became aware of a programme that has the goal of studying
the possibility of spreading infections using migratory birds, including H5N1 and the Newcastle disease. Apparently, you have reason to be sarcastic on this topic if you have studied the materials presented by the Russian side and if you are a professional infectious disease specialist in order to completely eliminate the bacteriological threat from that 30 labs in Ukraine. Can you share your expert opinion in order to break the arguments of the Russian side on this issue once and for all? 5. "Russia "defending" Donbas but killing predominantly Russian-speaking Donbas population".This is a very serious accusation. What are you basing it on? According to the French war reporter Anne-Laure Bonnel during an interview with a French TV channel, it was not Russia, but the Ukrainian government that bombed its own population in the Donbass.  "... The Donbass population, in 2014, has been targeted by its own government.
The Kiev government has bombarded the Russian-speaking population.
Yes. I have all the necessary proofs, which I can provide you when I return to France;
I have the photographs, and I have a video (documentary) about it... it's undeniable". Even Pentagon spokesman John Kirby doesn't know the exact reason why the Moscow cruiser sank. Personally, I believe that the probable cause of the explosion, in addition to the version with Ukrainian Neptune missiles, could be sabotage by one of the team members, since I see no particular reason for Russia to deny the Ukrainian missile attack (if there really was one) as the cause of the sinking. Because Russia previously admitted that the Ukrainian Armed Forces damaged the Russian large landing ship "Saratov". Ukrainian officials claimed that the Bayraktars diverted the air defense of the Moscow cruiser, and this video indirectly confirms it. However, the video doesn't show the burning cruiser Moscow, but a fire on a Tanzanian ship in 2019.  7. "But by all means, keep looking for excuses for Russian propaganda lies".Do not confuse excuses with an attempt to understand the current situation, when a lot of fake information is published. |
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Or Russian propaganda is lying and they haven't really destroyed that many - if any - TB2s, as evidenced by Russian forces constantly being embarrassed by said drones.
It is likely that Russia may exaggerate its achievements in terms of the number of destroyed Ukrainian military equipment. But it may also be that Ukraine received a fresh batch of Turkish TB2's. As far as is known, on March 29, 2022, peace talks between Ukraine and Russia were held in Istanbul. After them, one of the Ukrainian negotiators posted a photo with the CEO of Baykar, which produces these famous drones. Maybe there they agreed on new supplies. But of course this is just a guess.  https://www.businessinsider.com/ukraine-official-poses-with-bayraktar-ceo-calls-drones-super-weapons-2022-3
... The strategy of the 'defenders' did indeed seem to be to use multiple civilian buildings and keep the civilians hostage in them while doing so. At least that's my analysis based on the footage I've seen and the pretty much universal testimony of the liberated civilians.
Source? Please, do not say it comes from any Russian Ministry pleaaaase... Not really about the hostages, however at the end of March 2022, the Washington Post published critical statements by Western experts that Ukrainian troops were placing military equipment in residential areas.... That is not your claim. You are saying that the Ukrainian army is helding civils hostage, which is something completely different. Firstly, I didn't "claim" or "say" this. Read carefully the name of the author of the quote before labeling. Secondly, not only Russian media reports, but also statements by Western military journalists become the basis for rumors about hostages. For example, a video of the Italian journalist Giorgio Bianchi, who visited Mariupol in March, was published on the Internet. In the video, he speaks in Italian, but the description contains English text. I think that those who understand Italian speech will be able to verify the authenticity of this quote. If it's really his quote, but he's lying, then he should be punished for slander, and if he tells the truth, then his testimony should be included in the materials of a full-scale investigation. Isn't that how it should be?  "I stop people randomly and interview them.
They all tell me they were locked in the basement and couldn't get out.
They were told everything was under control.
Many say they shot at them to keep them from leaving.
They emptied the apartments to bring people down, when they themselves remained in the apartments to shoot.
These are neo-Nazi battalions".
So... military experts from the Russian side are objective about how Russian missiles hit or do not hit buildings occupied with Ukrainian civils. Forum members are to be ignored because they would not be objective and do not know enough. And all coming from Putin's "Ministry of Dark Humour and Fantasyland tales".
You are again twisting the facts. I didn't claim that the Russian side necessarily tells the truth. I suggested looking for information in primary sources, and not through the prism of someone else's interpretations. |
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Speaking of Bayraktar, a couple of weeks ago Kremlin claimed to have destroyed 35 of 36 that Ukraine allegedly had, which is such an obvious nonsense (Ukraine never had that many; and definitely had more than one remaining). Since then they claim to have destroyed a few more. Those negative remaining drones must be some sort of spacetime anomaly, which would explain the spontaneous combustion of the ill-fated warship  The fact that Ukraine had 36 Bayraktars TB2, as well as a new batch of these Turkish drones, was confirmed by Reuters and CNN. Ukraine has bought more than 20 Bayraktar TB2 armed drones from Turkish company Baykar
in recent years and ordered a further 16 on January 27. That batch was delivered in early March. Ukraine was the first country to purchase the TB2s in 2019 and has ordered at least 36 drones so far.
Last month, its defense minister announced the arrival of a new shipment of the drones.
The strategy of the 'defenders' did indeed seem to be to use multiple civilian buildings and keep the civilians hostage in them while doing so. At least that's my analysis based on the footage I've seen and the pretty much universal testimony of the liberated civilians.
Source? Please, do not say it comes from any Russian Ministry pleaaaase... Not really about the hostages, however at the end of March 2022, the Washington Post published critical statements by Western experts that Ukrainian troops were placing military equipment in residential areas. [...] “I am very reluctant to suggest that Ukraine is responsible for civilian casualties,
because Ukraine is fighting to defend its country from an aggressor,”
said William Schabas, an international law professor at Middlesex University in London.
“But to the extent that Ukraine brings the battlefield to the civilian neighborhoods, it increases the danger to civilians.”
[...] “If there is military equipment there and [the Russians] are saying
we are launching at this military equipment, it undermines an assertion that
they are attacking intentionally civilian objects and civilians,” said Richard Weir,
a researcher in Human Rights Watch’s crisis and conflict division, who is working in Ukraine.
[...] The Ukrainian military has “a responsibility under international law”
to remove their forces and equipment from civilian-populated areas,
and if that is not possible, to move civilians out of those areas, Weir said.
“If they don’t do that, that is a violation of the laws of war,” he added.
“Because what they are doing is they are putting civilians at risk.
Because all that military equipment are legitimate targets.” [...]
Your video on the second link shows an alleged missile attack on a high-rise building in Kyiv and its consequences. It was the success of the Ukrainian missile defense at the very beginning of the operation, a Russian missile aimed at a military facility was shot down and its fragments fell into a residential building. If a Russian rocket hit the house, the house would not have a hole in the side, but a large pile of rubble.
You can see the missile explode. It wasn't a dud, the explosion takes out 4 floors, which on the average is 12 m in diameter. 12m explosion inside a building made of concrete and steel, not bricks. Who are you trying to fool with "fragments falling on the building". By fragments you must mean a warhead that explodes on impact.  For objectivity it's better to study the answers of officials, and not forum members. The Russian side commented on this strike. I think that independent professional military experts will be able to confirm or refute this information. According to a source in the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation,
the nature of the damage suggests that he was hit by an anti-aircraft missile,
which is clearly visible on the video.
According to a source reported by TASS, it is obvious that the incident occurred during
the reflection of a night rocket attack on Ukrainian military facilities.
During the launch, there was a failure in the missile guidance system of the Ukrainian Buk-M1
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The third video shows a missile attack on the building of the Kharkiv city administration, where at that moment a gathering of nationalists was taking place.
Was the meeting taking place in those cars driving in front of the building? Because that's where the missile hit. And what happened to the "bases and firing positions"? I may be wrong, but on this particular issue, be.open's message contradicts the statements of the Russian side, which denies any involvement in this missile attack. The following is a quote from the official Moscow media "Vesti" with an English translation. March 02, 2022
Russian Armed Forces are not connected with the explosion in Kharkov
[...] The rocket flew into the center of Kharkov from the west. And there, for example, the 107th rocket artillery brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine is located, which prevents the Russian forces from blocking the city. And this unit is armed with "Smerch" - multiple launch rocket systems. The Alder missile is also compatible with these complexes.
[...] And it doesn't fit into the version about the Russian missile the fact that the day before in the very center of Kharkov a gathering of volunteers was announced who would like to join the ranks of the infamous Azov battalion. But before the event, the area was empty.
"Probably, from the point of view of the Russian army, if they knew that at 10 am there would be a gathering of nationalists, it would probably be more logical to carry out this operation not at 8 am, as it was shown on the video, but at 10:20 - 10:30, in order to destroy as many Ukrainian representatives of the Azov battalion as possible with one blow", - Oleg Noginsky, an expert at the Scientific Center for Eurasian Integration, expressed his point of view.
And, although a whole day has passed, the Ukrainian side has not yet demonstrated fragments of a shell that arrived in the city center. Although they usually don't miss such an opportunity and, on the contrary, are in a hurry to talk about the evidence, especially if the markings are preserved on the fragments.
The Russian Ministry of Defense has not yet commented on today's incident in Kharkov, but the department regularly emphasizes that the Russian military doesn't hit civilian targets. https://www.vesti.ru/article/2683751 |
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... Даже самому интересно стало про Бандеру. Полез в википедию. И вот жеж бл*** "неожиданность", как-то подозрительно мало там (спойлер - нет них**) про "активно сотрудничавшим с фашистами." Вот ничему нельзя верить, все приходится самому проверять...
Отсутствие определённой информации в Википедии не обязательно отрицает какое-либо событие. Нюрнбергский трибунал осудил руководителей нацистской Германии, и Степан Бандера к ним не относился. В Польше Бандера объявлен военным преступником. В январе 2022 г. посольство Израиля разместило твит с порицанием националистического марша в Украине в честь Бандеры. По теме сотрудничества бандеровцев с фашистами нацистами. - Институт истории Украины в 2006 году выпустил книгу «ОУН в 1941 році», где на 453 странице была опубликована инструкция бандеровцев №6. В пункте IX в ней прославляется Гитлер и размещены призывы к смерти по национальному признаку. Інструкція № 6 крайового провідника ОУН (С.Бандери) на ЗУЗ І.Климіва (Є.Легенди) щодо українізації кадрів в адміністративно-господарській, політичній та військовій справі- В книге историка Андерса Рудлинга, рассказывающей о бандеровском движении в составе Организации украинских националистов, на 12-13 страницах сообщается, что по инициативе ОУН(б) 5 марта 1944 г. были возобновлены переговоры с СС и её Службой безопасности (Sicherheitsdienst, SD). Отец Иван Гриньох, служивший армейским капелланом в батальоне «Нахтигаль» и батальоне 201 и представлял ОУН(б) на переговорах, подчёркивал, что «Ошибаются те, кто считает, что бандеровская группировка считает своим противником германский рейх.
Политическая ситуация на великороссийских землях могла сложиться совсем по-другому,
если бы германский рейх в 1941 году признал право украинцев на создание собственного государственного управления.
Без всякого сомнения, Украина была бы довольна государственным управлением, таким как протекторат.
Но так как эта надежда не оправдалась, бандеровская группировка была вынуждена продолжать свою нелегальную деятельность,
строго соблюдая при этом правила не посягать на немецкие интересы и направить все свои силы на подготовку решительной борьбы с московитами». |
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Your wording seems to imply that this was a real execution. I hope that's not your intent.
This is not a real execution. I added a warning label because I don't think this kind of scene is recommended for sensitive people. |
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An advertisement video appeared on social networks in which a woman in national Ukrainian clothes cuts the throat of a Russian man. The video is accompanied by English subtitles.  This woman was identified as Lviv theater actress Andrianna Kurylets. The footage contains scenes of violence! Link to the source: https://twitter.com/pilotmsv/status/1513131559834079234 |
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The Russian news agency "RIA" about the serial number of the rocket that hit in Kramatorsk. I have heard that many people cannot access Russian sites, so I will quote this article here with English translation. MOSCOW, April 9 - RIA Novosti. Photographs taken by Western journalists with Kyiv's permission prove that the Tochka-U missile that attacked Kramatorsk was Ukrainian. The Donetsk TV channel "Union" drew attention to this, as well as several Telegram channels specializing in military topics. "The serial number of the Tochka-U missile that fell on the train station in Kramatorsk the day before appeared on the Web. Rocket 9M79-1, serial number Sh91579. Previously, Ukrainian militants used missiles from the same series," the channel said.  The authors of the publication also listed other missiles that were on the balance sheet of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Two of them were used in 2015 in Alchevsk and Logvinovo, others in Berdyansk and Melitopol. "The number of the Tochka-U missile, which killed dozens of civilians in Kramatorsk, coincides with a series of missiles in service with the Armed Forces of Ukraine," ex-deputy of the Rada Ilya Kiva also noted in the Telegram channel. In addition, some noticed that the serial number of Tochka-U was initially blurred on the Ukrainian footage, but recordings with readable numbers appeared on the air of foreign TV channels - for example, in the news release of TG La7. Among other things, the representative of the People's Militia of the DPR, Eduard Basurin, reported that Kramatorsk was fired upon by the same brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine as earlier - Donetsk. As a result of a provocation at the railway station in Kramatorsk, according to the statement of the head of the Donetsk People's Republic Denis Pushilin, 50 people were killed, including five children. The Ukrainian side tried to pose as innocent. However, according to presidential spokesman Dmitry Peskov, the Russian Armed Forces do not use the type of missiles that were used in Kramatorsk. The Ministry of Defense also denied all accusations, stressing that the Tochka-U tactical missiles, the fragments of which were found near the Kramatorsk railway station and published by eyewitnesses, are used only by the Ukrainian military. The department recalled that on March 14, a similar Tochka-U missile by a division of the 19th separate missile brigade attacked the center of Donetsk, as a result of which 17 people died on the spot and another 36 civilians were injured. Earlier, the Investigative Committee established that the fire was fired by the 19th separate missile brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, its commander is Colonel Yaroshevich. [...]
The Sun journalists filmed the Ukrainian security officer with the SS symbols. You can read about the actions of this SS Galicia during World War II on Wikipedia (the third paragraph on the link).  |
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Personally, I was surprised how WP, even during the hostilities, spread its network of journalists across the territory of Ukraine in such a way that they keep their finger on the pulse and very quickly manage to get to the places of the most high-profile events.
Hm, logical. I thought that the railway connection from Kramatorsk to the west was broken, after the recent rocket attacks on the interchange in Lozova (by the way, the Russian military carried out their strikes at night so as not to catch the civilians). But I think you are right here.
To be more precise, the train was supposed to go from Kramatorsk to Lviv. https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/5303560 |
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Reporters from the Washington Post arrived at the train station in Kramatorsk 15 minutes after the attack. Are they on duty around the clock in every Ukrainian city? 
Not earlier than, all those who were engaged in torture and murder will be punished. Patrick Lancaster informed that the body of a dead woman with a swastika was found in the basement of a Mariupol school. Disturbing video! - https://youtu.be/6LQSYmda0ScI decided to clarify it, because a few days ago there was a message from the Ukrainian official Alexey Arestovich that this victim was found in Gostomel. |
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[...] You can call 2014 coup organized by CIA, but I approve that Ukrainians wanted to get rid of president who worked in interest of Russia and not his own country.
I approve that independent country can decide themselves what organisation they want to join. Especially when they such neighbour like Russia. [...]
If Ukraine is an independent country, then why Joe Biden, by using financial intimidation, dictated to Ukraine which Prosecutor General should be there? And I'm not sure why there is so much talk about Ukraine joining NATO when there is no sign that they would be accepted anytine soon. They weren't accepted in 2008, after 2014 it become even more unlikely.
You can read the speech of the Secretary General of NATO dated January 10, 2022, about Ukraine was being prepared for join to the alliance. On membership.
We have reiterated the decision we made at the Bucharest Summit in 2008 and we stand by that decision.
We help Ukraine to move towards a NATO membership by implementing reforms, by meeting NATO standards.
And we have stated very clearly that we will never compromise on the right for every nation in Europe to choose its own path,
including what kind of security arrangements it wants to be a part of. And therefore, it is fundamental that that principle is not violated in any way.
Meaning that it is for Ukraine and the 30 NATO Allies to decide when Ukraine is ready for membership. No one else has any right to say anything about that. When NATO refused Russia's demand to provide guarantees that Ukraine would never join the alliance, Russian Deputy Minister of Foreign Affairs, Aleksandr Grushko warned: We told NATO honestly that further deterioration in relations poses serious risks.
If NATO moves to a policy of containment, we will move to a policy of counter-containment.
If there is deterrence, there will be counter-deterrence. Attempts to build security without Russia’s involvement are counterproductive.
For us an end to NATO’s open-door policy and legal guarantees that the alliance won’t expand further eastward are absolutely imperative.
NATO expansion creates unacceptable risks for us, which we will resist.
The argument that no one else can determine NATO’s policies towards its members is unfounded.
We don’t rule out the possibility of restoring our diplomatic mission to the alliance.
The Ukrainian authorities need to be forced to comply with the Minsk agreements — then de-escalation will be possible.
NATO must stop all military aid to Kyiv. Though Ukraine is not an official member of alliance, but according to the NATO Secretary General, their block have trained tens of thousands of Ukrainian troops who are now at war with Russia, NATO supplies Ukraine with various types of weapons. I suppose no one will dispute the fact that the alliance forces are taking part in this military conflict on the side of Ukraine. Although the alliance doesn't want to enter into a direct confrontation with Russia, what is happening now is more like NATO fights against Russia to the last Ukrainian. So far civilian deaths are relatively low for the war this size.
Even taking into account military actions, I believe that in the civilized world it is unacceptable to talk about "low deaths" among civilians. Need to constantly keep in mind that these are not just numbers but human pain, injuries and broken destinies. |
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The information in the Telegram channel "Bucha Live" can help to get some idea of how the population of Bucha lived in March 2022. I looked through the posts from March 11 to April 1. Generally speaking, according to this channel, the evacuation took place in the city until March 21, but then it stopped. Also there were a lot of reports about looting and missing people. Before April 1, several messages about the shot Bucha inhabitants were published, but I didn't see posts with photographs or videos of the bodies lying on the road. Next, I sorted the key information from the Telegram channel "Bucha Live" by date from oldest to newest. 12.03 - The video of dead citizens being buried near the church in a common grave. https://t.me/News380/561714.03 - Russian soldiers ordered residents to wear white armbands as an identification mark. https://t.me/News380/572914.03 - The mayor of Bucha has declared a humanitarian catastrophe. https://t.me/News380/579315.03 - The video from Bucha's streets. https://t.me/News380/586815.03 - The girl lost her arm. https://t.me/News380/587016.03 - The message that "orcs" and some locals are looting houses. https://t.me/News380/602717.03 - The story of Bucha resident about dead bodies all over the city, and also the lack of water and food. https://t.me/News380/604720.03 - Ukrainian counterintelligence identifies and kills saboteurs in territorial defense. The order was given not to leave anyone alive. https://t.me/News380/651221.03 - The report says that Russian troops steal and take out cars, household appliances and food. https://t.me/News380/658322.03 - The report that Russian soldier shot the father in front of his 14-year-old offspring. https://t.me/News380/671625.03 - The mayor of Bucha is called a fugitive. https://t.me/News380/702126.03 - Anonymous reports on social networks about the shot teachers. https://t.me/News380/709227.03 - A local resident was shot dead. https://t.me/News380/723128.03 - The video from Bucha's streets. https://t.me/News380/733829.03 - Marauders continue to operate in Bucha. https://t.me/News380/746731.03 - Reports that a fresh detachment of Russian soldiers entered the city. https://t.me/News380/766031.03 - Heavy fights. https://t.me/News380/766431.03 - Street photos. https://t.me/News380/7702 , https://t.me/News380/7726 , https://t.me/News380/778831.03 - The first news about Bucha liberation. https://t.me/News380/774131.03 - Rumors that Bucha is still under the control of Russian soldiers. https://t.me/News380/777401.04 - The city administration warns that it's still dangerous on the streets. https://t.me/News380/783901.04 - Ukrainian army in the city. https://t.me/News380/788701.04 - The mayor of Bucha officially announced the liberation of the city from the Russian troops. https://t.me/News380/791301.04 - The meeting of the mayor of Bucha with the residents. https://t.me/News380/793301.04 - The very first video with corpses on the road was published. https://t.me/News380/7944 |
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The Ukrainian source "Cycпiльнe Hoвини" reported that this video was filmed on March 3, 2022 by aerial reconnaissance of the Azov Battalion. This information is in the description at the link. However, on March 3, the Ukrainian media claimed that Bucha "was completely liberated from the invaders". |
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Anyway, the time does not converge, the Russian army left Bucha on March 30, the video of the mayor about the victory was recorded on March 31 (posted on the network on April 1, but he says in the video that "March 31 will go down in history, etc."). Here is a detailed analysis of this staged video, read the full material is quite extensive. This article from the Ukrainian news site "Українська правда" from April 1st may provide additional clarity about dates and the rest. - https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2022/04/1/7336277/ (in English) She said "I'm not into politics" and her interview was heavily edited to make it sound like Azov was in the building, which it wasn't.
The 24-minutes interview with Marianna Podgurskaya (Vyshemirskaya) was published two days ago. - https://youtu.be/IEJ9xG6-Va0 (in Russian) |
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The Russian propaganda Telegram channel denies this accusation. Among other things, they refer to this video "Shocking footage of peaceful civilians in Bucha being shot by Rashists", claiming that the bodies are "moving" at 12 15 and 30 seconds. However, other commentators say that these are not "moving bodies", but the effect due to wet glass.
We tend to forget that one of the pillars of a Democracy is free press. The fact that a candidate is "elected" means nothing when the electorate is kept in the dark.
The Ukrainian and Russian sides are now both actively clearing the information field in the context of a military conflict. After February 24, many opposition channels in Russia that had been operating for decades were closed and Roskomnadzor by decision of the Prosecutor General's Office closed access to many Ukrainian and west media. In its turn, Ukrainian president banned pro-Russian parties in Ukraine and also united all national media on one platform. ... however in a Tzardom, at most they can be blamed for not revolting or being, mostly, apathic about it.
There is a popular expression that rebellion in Russia is senseless and merciless. Revolutions in Russia turn into a bloody massacre and a social catastrophe ( Time of Troubles, Pugachev's Rebellion, Russian Civil War, etc). Russian riot sweeps everything in its path, so the Russians endure their rulers to the very end, that's why the Russian rulers so brazenly rob and humiliate people - rulers hope apparently that patience of people will not end during their lifetime. Revolutions in Russia are successful only when the Russian army supports the citizens.
If compare the Russian "Wagner Group" and the Ukrainian "Azov Battalion", the difference between them is that the "Wagner Group" is an unofficial private organization, while "Azov" is the official unit of the National Guard of Ukraine. US Congress recognized "Azov" as a neo-Nazi entity and banned the supply of weapons to them. According to The Economist the Wagner Group is called "Putin's private army", because the head of Ukraine’s security services called it that. But in addition to the words of a Ukrainian official, are there any evidence?
As you may know, Poland is now most active in helping Ukrainians, both defenders and refugees and civilians. Polish civilians are really concerned over russia's threats.
I wonder if Polish civilians see a threat to their own security that the Ukrainian government is persistently trying to make Stepan Bandera as a national hero, who is directly linked with the mass murders of Polish civilians during the Second World War. The fact that Bandera is a hero for some modern Ukrainians, the President Zelensky considers as "a normal and cool thing". In the present Ukraine streets are named after Stepan Bandera and torchlight processions are held with his portraits along the central streets of Kyiv, surrounded by the National Guard. Whether or not, some political scientists explain the activity of the Polish government (including the desire to use the peacekeeping contingent) by the wish to return control over the western regions of Ukraine, which in the past belonged to Poland. a russian missile recently crashed in Ukraine 20 km from the border with Poland, ie NATO.
It should be clarified that these missiles hit the Yavoriv military base where foreign mercenaries were trained. If I'm not confusing anything, there were rumors before this strike that Russian troops were not going to attack the western part of Ukraine. |
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FJ username: Vele0r
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NATO nukes haven't moved closer to Russia in the last 30 years and there were no plans to do so.
Apparently, Moscow took very seriously the speech of President Vladimir Zelensky who said at the Munich Conference on February 19, 2022 that Ukraine is ready to withdraw from the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (the "Budapest Memorandum"). Zelensky also asked to announce the time frames for Ukraine's entry into NATO. NATO expansion was quite clearly defensive and it would have remained so even if Ukraine joined NATO.
The purpose of creating NATO at the initial stage was to contain Soviet control in Europe, but even after the collapse of the USSR, the alliance still continued to move east. In 1999, NATO organized the bombing of Yugoslavia in violation of the UN Charter, so it is wrong to claim that this block pursues "clearly defensive" goals. Despite Putin's delusions, the West wants a stable prosperous Russia to trade with, not a shithole to fight with.
However UK opposes now to early peace talks between Ukraine and Russia. If they wanted to attack it they'd have done it in mid-1990s.
It is obvious that no one wanted to mess with Russia because of its nuclear weapons, which left in this country after the collapse of the USSR. |
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