The consensus is that there is not, never will be and never could be any "Bitcoin Police" and also that the hicks who think in these terms but aren't self-aware enough of their mental issues to stick with fiat currency only should be ostracised.
The "bitcoin police" idea isn't law enforcement, and can't bring anyone to justice. What they do is provide a service to LE and to businesses like mtgox, offloading the responsibility of tracking stolen property to them as a third party, and providing a service to the LE that are too incompetent to do themselves, although this might change eventually. It is a win for all involved parties, and I don't understand your extreme reaction. The name is somewhat inaccurate, but that could be changed. |
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and it just hashes away until it dies
Those poor mining hardwares giving up their life and soul for our greedy gain  |
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a crock of bullshit
Sounds like you've been paid to spread FUD. Not correct? OK, prove it, since I can't either. See what I did there? |
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We need to ignore him.. plain and simple
Unfortunately, other noobs might not, and then it is up to us to correct misconceptions and FUD spread by him to the noobs that don't ignore him. Vicious cycle. |
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I've just received 2 Bitforce Singles! [REV 2]
1st device ordered @ 23 December 2011
2nd device ordered @ 2 January 2012
Delivered @ 26 March 2012
What do you mean by 'REV 2'? The first shipping units had 2 fans, I believe (one on top, one exposed on the bottom). BFL has been talking about introducing a heatpipe design but I'm not sure if those are shipping yet. I've also heard of some 'interim' design change, but I'm not aware of any details. Does your unit have the 2 fans, the heatpipe, or something else? Could you post some photos of what you have received? rev2 = 2 fans rev3 = heatpipe (none shipping yet) |
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P.S. Who is Andrew Bitcoiner ?
That's his forum name, search the member's section. |
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People might have realized that its not profitable to pay .000055 a share. Pirate might not have any buy orders right now. I have been on public works since yesterday at .000036.
Guys seriously, transferring to a new server/cluster isn't an instant bang bang done thing, it usually takes a bit to optimize. Setting your price to something retardedly low like that will only make it impossible for everyone else to have theirs high. The reason you aren't getting leased shares isn't because you are charging too much, it's cause leased purchases likely aren't happening right now. |
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Wowee, I figured bulk orders might be good for a quantity discount, but so far it's quite a bit more than a local buy. Wonder if it would be better to know what sizes you have to order, so that when I place my order it will be sized so that you don't have to break up a large quantity and send part of it?
What I mean is if you have to order 10 pounds to fill my 3 pound order, maybe it would be better to make my 3 pound order into a 10 pound order. However, I'm not really sure what size is your minimum on each type.
If it's easier for you to have me pay in fiat, I suppose I could work that out too.
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Brainstorm:
If the user have zero in his wallet, do not warn that it doesnt have password.
If the user have X amount advice the user to chose a long password they will never forget.
And some advice on how to chose such a password.
If the user have Huge amount of Bitcoins give warnings to encrypt right away?
Question is, what is considered huge and for one user 5 Btc can be much, for another 500 is much.
That's pretty much what I proposed in post 33 up above. ^^ Although I didn't mention the advice on choosing a good password. A strength meter and a reminder to REMEMBER THE DAMN PASSWORD would be appropriate. |
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see rjk, now the conversation is taking a more productive direction, which is, you know, more productive then taking things personal and/or being condescending. i wasn't making any personal attacks, and am still genuinely confused why i got such a negative response.
i used to be a project manager for an iphone dev company. i don't have the technical skills to give specific procedural suggestions, but i worked hand in hand with the designers to the programers. there was a flow of ideas, and while it was down to the more technically capable members of the team to implement, everyone's thoughts and ideas were valued. different perspectives from people with different skill sets lead to a stronger finished product. best job i ever had btw.
as for the keylogger, as i said, i was referring to bitcoin doing all it could do to be secure. obviously a user has responsibilities. there is only so much that can be done to secure software installed on end user machines. i just think its best practices to do some simple things like having the wallet encrypted (by whichever procedures and at whatever specific time in the installation/update process is deemed appropriate by those more technically inclined) to increase security.
julz, i can see some kind of nag screen pushing a user to encrypt the wallet being a better compromise between the two. i just don't think a screen telling someone to enter a password and make sure they remember it, or having a password to begin with is such a show stopper. i think the general population is very much used to entering passwords and remembering them for their bank account, their utility providers, email, netflix, facebook, etc. i also don't think entering a password is more difficult or off putting than waiting for the blockchain to download.
I think we got fired up by your comment of vulnerability where there really wasn't one. As someone that developed applications for iFail devices, I am sure you have had your share of thick/stupid/newb/etc users, and figure you would appreciate the reasoning that Gavin put forth. A virus doesn't get blocked by AV vendors unless something bad happens to someone and they report it. So it is inevitable that someone would lose their wallet(s) to a keylogger, even if they only enter their password once a week, since someone has to figure out that something is wrong to start with. Nevermind that the virus was probably acquired by visiting some shady site on the net, users will be users and there isn't much you can do about that. Unfortunately, my experience with users has been very similar to the situation that Gavin laid out - if they are prompted to enter their passphrase, it is pretty much a guarantee that they would enter a lame dictionary word of 6 characters or less, and then promptly forget it as if they were being paid to forget things.  Damn users. |
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When are you planning on getting more in stock?
Well, they're in stock here right now, but we can't seem to supply enough to Cablesaurus to keep them in stock (selling out within hours of listing them). Because each board needs to be tested, then packed up and shipped to Cablesaurus, there's a bit of a lag. They will have more stock later this week. Sorry, but you guys are just buying these up too fast to keep up!  I think you'd sell more in the long run, and be able to plan the size of your manufacturing runs better if cablesaurus simply accepted pre-orders. I've been checking the cablesaurus site over the past weeks and have always been unlucky. I bought ztex & icarus boards in the meantime. +1 Accepting pre-orders allows for impulse buyers. |
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Also don't forget to emphasize the fact that the Instawallet URL is the only way to access the funds. Girls WILL forget to bookmark/write it down. Triple check this one.
Seems like a bit of work. Presumably they will be making a mtgox account eventually, just send a satoshi to one of the deposit addresses and then that will be your firstbits, yes? |
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The positive response on this thread from everyone but you suggests that you're approaching this from a different angle from everyone else.
Yes I am that angle would be what he is essentially telling you people is this. Give me ~$60,000 I am going to buy 4 machines with that money then dedicate 2 of them to your payback. The other two I get for just being me the wonderful person I am, thank you very much for your donation. Now you if fools want to go for that go right ahead because that is exactly what the proposal is. Since there are investors itching to lay hands on this offering, why not start a clone of it for yourself? Oh I know why, you don't have shit to back up the bonds if the hardware fails or whatever reason. |
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By time and effort, I didn't necessarily mean coding, although that helps. Since you didn't come up with an answer, I just thought it up for you. Here is my proposal: 1. On wallet creation, it is unencrypted as it is currently. 2. Encryption will be suggested to the user once: a. The blockchain has fully downloaded and b. The wallet balance exceeds 0 3. If encryption was enabled prior to blockchain download completion, or prior to the balance exceeding 0, no popup/prompt will occur. 4. The popup/prompt will have an option to disable future notices: a. When checked, no further notices will be created, although 1. A reminder will be written to the log b. If left unchecked, the reminder will be shown any time the wallet's balance is incremented or decremented. 5. There will be an easily accessible help link within the notification. How does this sound? What needs added to this proposal is the following: a. The suggested format of the notification: 1. Tray notification 2. Modal popup (application specific, not system modal) 3. Text notification in the same format as remote system messages b. The suggested text of the notification 1. Including the text of the help link c. A decision on whether the help link is local or whether it goes to the wiki This will increase security, although it still does not address the keylogger issue. (On-screen keyboard anyone? Yeah I thought not.) |
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Like i was when I lost a bunch of money trying the broken trailing stop!)
Has that trailing stop ever been fixed? And regular stops occasionally working, but only when they feel like it. |
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We are trying to have the law enforcement agencies contacting us working with the "Bitcoin Police" This is possibly the most retarded thing I read on this forum. And just for the record, there is a lot of retarded shit here. Actually, offloading accountability to a third party sounds pretty good to me. |
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you put a lot of time and effort into bitcoin. i understand and appreciate that, but bitcoin belongs to the community. some individuals, like yourself, are more important to bitcoin then others, like myself, but without community support and involvement, its just a bunch of fancy math.
No, it really belongs to the people that bother to put time and effort into it. If you cared, you would put a lot more of your time and effort into it. No code, no UI, no API is perfect from the beginning, and will never be perfect, ever. If you have specific enhancements available or ideas on how to implement a better way, I am certain that the dev team, or indeed everyone, would love to hear about them. I have yet to hear you utter a workable solution to the problems that we have been discussing. What Gavin meant by alternate worlds was that the BETA project can only be tested on the open, in production, because there is no collection of users and hackers available privately to make it "perfect" before public launch. If you don't like this, you aren't required to use it, and are welcome to throw all your time and skill into improving it. Improvements are always a good thing, whether to the UI and usability, or whether to security and interoperability. As is commonly stated in open-source projects, "Pull requests are welcome".  |
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I know. I understand your position. This is my position. I have to order 100 pounds of candy to fill your order. That will cost me a couple hundred real money out of my pocket. Your only at risk for a few coins. Im really the one whos taking a huge gamble. If you guys dont buy im gonna be in the hole stuck with more candy than i can eat. Having something just makes me feel better knowing your serious about buying. How about this? Instead of the second half when i receive the candy we do it when you receive the candy. This way we both put a little faith in each other.
Well, I'm in no rush, so I can wait for others to be successful and then place my order. Still interested in a final quote in the amount though. |
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i'm sorry if expecting the most security possibly from a piece of financial software is a bore to you.
Actually, it is already available - run it in Linux, where viruses are statistically less prevalent, and you are automagically protected against several attack vectors. If you can't detect the keylogger until it grabs your password, it is already too late. |
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Additionally, I am very well armed. I dare any man to come murder me. I would love the challenge.
Sounds more and more like the sociopathic serial killer. Challenge indeed. Sounds like somebody isn't using their Second Amendment. Unless you're in some god-forsaken hellhole where armless civilians get shot by armed outlaws. No I was just interested that you consider it a "challenge" to defend yourself. |
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