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4061  Economy / Economics / Re: The Making of Currency on: October 07, 2017, 08:51:13 PM
What is getting clear for us now is that the rise of cryptocurrency stemmed from the failures of the government to do its job well.

The worldwide banking industry being centralized within a system of central banks could imply a lack of competition.

This lack of competition could induce industry wide stagnation, lack of progress and advancement. The centralized banking industry might be described as existing under a form of economic protectionism. It has been sheltered like a tiger kept in a cage which loses its survival instincts. These conditions also open the door to bitcoin and other innovative technologies to fill the vacuum which has been created.

There could be yet another case for decentralization here as well. Dysfunctionality on the part of states is another good argument and case for decentralization as well. In many countries we often see the greatest progress in legislation being made by decentralized states who are free to act without the interference of international banking cartels.
4062  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin won't live to see the next 10 years on: October 06, 2017, 11:36:12 PM
The US economy is $20 trillion in debt. The EU was 12 trillion euros in debt at last count before the EU debt clock website (http://www.eudebtclock.org) was censored & taken offline & search engine results were scrubbed to make it difficult to find info on what current EU outstanding debt is.

People often question whether bitcoin/crypto will survive and have longevity moving into the future.

I'm not certain anyone realizes how close american and european fiat may be to imminent collapse.
4063  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin has overtaken on energy costs Tajikistan on: October 06, 2017, 09:44:45 PM
To accurately put crypto's energy consumption into perspective, it might be better to look at the quantity of available energy on electrical grids.

In the united states, there are cases where so many people are installing solar panels on their homes the electrical grid is being overloaded due to the sheer surplus of energy. Example:

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California’s electrical grid can’t handle all the solar energy the state is producing

In California, solar power is booming: The state leads the nation in solar production, and for a brief period on March 11, California pulled nearly 40 percent of its electricity from the sun.

But the state’s solar boom isn’t all sunshine, as the Los Angeles Times energy reporter, Ivan Penn, laid out in a recent investigation. To avoid overloading its electrical grid, California has actually paid neighboring states like Arizona to take surplus renewable energy — dozens of times this year.

https://www.pri.org/stories/2017-07-20/california-s-electrical-grid-can-t-handle-all-solar-energy-state-producing

In regions where excess electricity is available on the grid, the consumption of miners might be considered negligible at best.

Scarcity/availability of electricity could be relevent here.
4064  Economy / Economics / Re: The Great Reflation Is Underway on: October 06, 2017, 08:55:06 PM
This is all by design.  The modern system is designed to take wealth automatically from savers, to push them into risky assets, so they help sustain all the asset bubbles that benefit the elites.

Very interesting point. I question sometimes how deeply such a design may run.

I'll try to give you a real world example. In the united states many american families pride themselves on kicking their kids out of the house when they turn 18. In foreign countries, this trend is often non-existent. Young adults live with their parents well past adulthood and it may be fair to say there isn't the same negative stigma against this trend found in the USA.

Here's where things might get interesting. Americans have social security. Foreigners often lack an equivalent. In practice this could imply foreigners lacking a pension/retirement plan, rely more heavily upon their children to care of them when they get old. Wheras in the united states parents might believe they don't need to have a decent relationship with or do a decent job raising their kids believing they don't need their family to be there for them in old age as they have social security.

If it is true that elites have designed a system to divide society, break up communities and families to an extent to prevent people from uniting or coordinating effectively. Is it possible that even things like social security were engineered with an intent to divide the family unit under an illusion that the state & social security will provide for people, degrading families and communities in some subtle way?
4065  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: UFC 216: Ferguson vs Lee Info and Prediction Thread on: October 06, 2017, 08:48:45 PM
Nik Lentz was pulled from his fight for medical reasons. Will Brooks vs Nik Lentz fight is off.

There is also bellator 184 tonight.

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Bellator 184

Eduardo Dantas (c)   vs.   Darrion Caldwell            
Daniel Straus   vs.   Emmanuel Sanchez            
Pat Curran   vs.   John Teixeira            
Joe Taimanglo   vs.   Leandro Higo

Kevin Lee missed weight on his first try but thankfully made it on his 2nd attempt.
4066  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: SEC hack came as internal security team begged for funding on: October 06, 2017, 06:24:17 PM
Its troubling how critical systems & infrastructure like EDGAR appear to be a low funding priority.

One might almost get the impression its deliberately done to weaken critical financial systems and make them vulnerable to attack. It could parallel a movement for bigger blocks in bitcoin which would have a weakening effect on the security of its infrastructure. There could be similar movements in cryptography with intelligence agencies pushing for a weakening of web based SSL/SSH and iphone based encryption. Also with the core weakening of many smartphones and routers which have backdoors built into them for surveillance purposes.
4067  Economy / Goods / Re: Will racks and frames for GPU mining be in demand? on: October 06, 2017, 05:03:50 PM
I think producing racks/frames might loosely fall under manufacturing.

AFAIK the three main price points determining success or failure in the manufacturing industry are #1 labor costs #2 material costs and #3 shipping costs(distribution, tariffs, etc).

Those three main points determine how competitive someone has the potential to be within global markets. Countries like china have prosperous manufacturing sectors due to their labor costs being extremely low. In the past, the united states had a strong manufacturing sector due to its abundance of raw materials.

One potential issue is there's no standardization for rack size in terms of usability for building/warehouse size. Most mining outfits may have racks custom built to fit whatever warehouse or building they're working out of. If that's the case, the racks may be locally sourced to welders or custom fabricators. That might complicate things.
4068  Economy / Currency exchange / Re: Buying Bitcoin With Paypal Payment on: October 05, 2017, 09:59:57 PM
There's another option virtually everyone appears to have forgotten.

http://virwox.com

It offers paypal to btc conversion and also btc to paypal withdrawal.

Its fees can be a bit on the high side. Also its not a straight conversion. Its usd to sll to btc. Or btc to sll to usd.

Some might find it worthwhile, if nothing else it is convenient.
4069  Economy / Economics / Be Careful What You Wish For: Inflation Is Much Higher Than Advertised on: October 05, 2017, 09:55:06 PM
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What the Federal Reserve is actually whining about is not low inflation - it's that high inflation isn't pushing wages higher like it's supposed to.

It's not exactly a secret that real-world inflation is a lot higher than the official rates--the Consumer Price Index (CPI) and Personal Consumption Expenditures PCE). As many observers have pointed out, there are two primary flaws in the official measures of inflation:

1. Big-ticket expenses such as rent, healthcare and higher education--expenses that run into the thousands or tens of thousands of dollars annually--are severely underweighted or mis-reported. While rents are soared, the CPI uses an arcane (and misleading) measure of housing costs: owners equivalent rent. Why not just measure actual rents paid and actual mortgages/property taxes/home insurance premiums paid?



Healthcare is 18% of GDP but only 8.5% of CPI. To those exposed to actual costs of healthcare, 8.5% of the CPI is a joke.

The same can be said of higher education: households paying tuition and other college costs are exposed to horrendously high rates of inflation, as illustrated in this chart:



Revealing the Real Rate of Inflation Would Crash the System (August 3, 2016)

The Burrito Index: Consumer Prices Have Soared 160% Since 2001 (August 1, 2016)

Inflation Isn't Evenly Distributed: The Protected Are Fine, the Unprotected Are Impoverished Debt-Serfs (May 25, 2017)

Then there's the hedonic adjustments that are made to reflect improvements in quality, features, safety, etc. So the price of computers is discounted to reflect the increase in memory, etc. compared to previous models. This is a can of worms, as anyone shopping for a new car or truck can attest: yes, the vehicles have more safety features, but the sticker price is much higher. Do we knock off $10,000 the "price" because of these additional features? Why should we, when consumers have to pony up $10,000 more than they did a decade ago?

More honest and accurate estimates of real-world inflation that include the big-ticket categories of housing, healthcare and higher education reckon annual inflation is around 7% or even as high as 10% in high-cost metro areas, not 2%. This sets up a very peculiar cognitive dissonance in the financial media.

On the one hand, government agencies are bending over backward to under-report inflation. On the other, the Federal Reserve is whining that inflation is too low and their efforts to push it higher have failed. Heck, folks, the solution is obvious: just report real-world inflation without the hedonic adjustments and other shuck and jive, and when the rate of inflation comes in at a hot 7% instead of the official 2%, the Federal Reserve can declare victory.

Why does the Fed want higher inflation? The general explanation is higher inflation benefits bankers, borrowers and the expansion of credit that underpins our consumerist economy.

The idea is that as wages rise with inflation (assuming wages are rising, which they're not for the bottom 90%), households will have an easier time servicing existing debt and getting new loans.

The payments due on existing debt become easier to make as inflation expands everyone's paychecks. (Note that this expansion doesn't mean the purchasing power of the wage has increased; it's an illusory expansion that serves the credit industry.)

Banks benefit because they earn fees on originating new loans and rolling over existing debts into new loans.

But the supposed benefits of high inflation are undercut if wages don't rise as fast as prices. As many observers have noted, wages for the bottom 90% have not kept pace with higher costs. For the bottom 90%, rising rents, higher property taxes, higher health insurance premiums, higher healthcare co-pays and deductibles, soaring college tuition and so on, have squeezed household budgets while household income has stagnated.

No wonder the government wants to mask the real rate of inflation. If it was widely understood that inflation is reducing our purchasing power at an annual rate of 7% while wages are rising at 1% or 2% if at all, people might realize the Fed and other authorities have stripmined the many to enrich the few.



So what the Federal Reserve is actually whining about is not low inflation--it's that high inflation isn't pushing wages higher like it's supposed to. In the simplistic models of conventional economics, inflation is supposed to be a monetary function, i.e. a generalized secular dynamic that pushes everything higher--not just prices, but wages, too.

Alas, the world isn't as simple as the economists' models. So what we have instead is stagnating wages and soaring wealth-income inequality.



No wonder so many people reckon this was the real plan all along: it's worked brilliantly for the eight years of "recovery", greatly enriching the few at the expense of the many.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-10-05/be-careful-what-you-wish-inflation-much-higher-advertised

Interesting read for sure.

Awhile ago we were discussing saving versus investing. The general consensus was investing is superior to saving due to real inflation being closer to 10% than the officially cited figure of 3%. High inflation having a side effect of eliminating gains acquired from low interest yields on savings accounts makes saving difficult in this day and age.

This piece goes into some of the surrounding details involving motivation for high inflation as a means of wealth redistribution.
4070  Economy / Marketplace / Re: Looking To Start A Small Business With Bitcoin on: October 05, 2017, 09:25:15 PM
Here's an attempt to start a small business with bitcoin I am undertaking.



I got a (very affordable) MIDI musical keyboard controller. Used in conjunction with software it can be utilized to compose and mix a variety of music. The business model will be uploading tracks on youtube to monetize through their partnership program & sell tracks on itunes if any of them become popular enough. Youtube has demonetized many clips with controversial content or keywords on their blacklist but to my knowledge they haven't demonetized music, yet. If this venture massively fails on a monetary scale, it'll be cool. I always wanted to learn to play piano/keyboard as I have zero skill at it.

Anyway, I hope this serves as something like an example of how someone might start a business without spending a lot of money, needing specialized skills or resources. The "you need money to make money" mentality can be strong in the entrepreneurial world.
4071  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin and festive season on: October 05, 2017, 08:59:34 PM


Looking at bitcoin's price chart, the price may have peaked at the end of every year except 2014.

Common reasons to explain this could be black friday, massive seasonal sales at the end of the year, increased demand on christmas and holiday shopping. More farfetched attempts at explanation could be things like cooler winter temperatures cool ASICs and GPUs more efficiently requiring less electricity to power the blockchain, more time spent indoors to trade crypto and engage in bitcoin activity.
4072  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / GAW Miners founder owes nearly $10 million to SEC over Bitcoin fraud on: October 05, 2017, 08:50:31 PM
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Homero Josh Garza’s now-defunct companies must also pay $10 million.

Homero Josh Garza, who founded two cryptocurrency startups, GAW Miners and ZenMiner, has been ordered to pay a final civil judgment of $9.1 million, plus $700,000 in interest.

The judgement, which was formally approved by a federal judge in Connecticut on Tuesday, comes months after Garza pled guilty to a single criminal wire fraud charge. In May 2017, as part of the same lawsuit, Garza’s companies were hit with a default judgment of more than $10 million. No representatives made any formal response to the lawsuit—Garza himself invoked his Fifth Amendment privilege.

According to the civil complaint, which was first brought by the Securities and Exchange Commission in December 2015, Garza and his companies sold more than 10,000 “investment contracts representing shares in the profits they claimed would be generated from using their purported computing power to ‘mine’ for virtual currency.”

The judgment against Garza comes just days after the SEC also sued a New York man and his two companies that were allegedly involved in fraudulent initial coin offerings despite the fact that “neither has any real operations.”

In his plea deal, Garza admitted that his businesses were, in fact, an illegal pyramid scheme. In early 2014, GAW Miners was first introduced to the Bitcoin public as a reseller of mining rigs. Later, the company shifted to cloud-based mining (Hashlets) and, in early 2015, introduced its own altcoin, dubbed “Paycoin.” GAW also tried its hand at its own cloud-based wallet service (Paybase) and its own online discussion board (HashTalk).

In January 2015, Garza told Ars that he “started the company because of scammers.” He claimed that he first heard of Bitcoin around a year ago, at which point he tried to buy a hardware mining rig and “spent $100,000 for a product I never got.” Garza declined to say from which company he purchased the rig.

“I’d never had any experience with that—realizing a couple weeks later that these guys didn’t care how much money I can afford to lose,” Garza said. “I got really frustrated and thought we should start a company to try to fix this.”

Garza told Ars that GAW (“Geniuses At Work”) made “over $1 million in sales our first month,” adding that, within a few months, “We leveled at $60 million to $80 million per year.”

The purported entrepreneur, who did not immediately respond to Ars’ request for comment, is due to be sentenced in the criminal case on January 5, 2018 at 10:00am in Hartford, Connecticut, before US District Judge Robert N. Chatigny.

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2017/10/bitcoin-fraudster-hit-with-9-1m-civil-judgment-on-top-of-criminal-guilty-plea/

Summary: Josh Garza is being ordered to pay $10 million($9.1 million plus $700,000 interest). He admits his businesses were illegal pyramid schemes in his plea deal. Garza claims his businesses made "$60 million to $80 million per year".

This could be the first time I've seen someone be sentenced for running crypto pyramid schemes. Will this become more common as bitcoin gains prominence?
4073  Economy / Economics / Re: Why the anti government on: October 05, 2017, 07:57:53 PM
"Anti government" probably isn't a fair description. "Anti big government" may be more accurate a term.

I think most recognize citizens of a nation don't need to pay 40% to 50% real tax rates to fund schools, roads, police & other socialist programs. If state programs were run efficiently the cost should be far lower. On a subconscious level people recognize the system is broken somewhere, even if they aren't aware of details relating to specifics.

In the 1600's the working class enjoyed 189 holidays or days off per year. Today that number has been reduced nearer to 104 on average. It probably doesn't take a genius to realize the hours of the average work day is increasing, wages are decreasing while rent, taxes and other liabilities are going up. In the 1950s many could afford a new home, new car & other luxuries with only 1 person in a household working full time. Today to afford the same luxuries typically both parents must work full time. The dream of being a home owner, putting ones kids through college, being able to afford healthcare. All of these things are becoming increasingly difficult to achieve.

Then there are the long list of broken promises politicians have made over the last few decades. The inability on the part of the state to prevent disasters like the economic collapse of 2008, which many economists predicted 2-3 years in advance. The inability to fix basic issues relating to job markets, outsourcing of jobs, taxes, deficit, debt, streamlining of operations, fixing of healthcare, etc.

Decentralization also is not "anti government". Its moreso dividing power and influence in such a way as to make it difficult for systems to become centralized and exploited.
4074  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / SEC hack came as internal security team begged for funding on: October 04, 2017, 09:49:30 PM
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Forensic investigative unit was forced to use equipment tagged for scrap.

Last month, the Securities and Exchange Commission revealed a 2016 breach of a test system that allowed an unknown party to get access to unpublished corporate information in the SEC's Electronic Data Gathering, Analysis, and Retrieval (EDGAR) system. The breach potentially allowed the bad actors to profit from trades based on the information. SEC Chairman Jay Clayton revealed the extent of that breach in a policy statement on the importance of the commission's cyber-security mission. But just a few months before the SEC discovered the initial breach last year, as Reuters reports, members of the SEC's own internal digital forensics and security team wrote a letter bemoaning the lack of support they received from the agency's Office of Information Technology and SEC leadership.

In a memo sent to the SEC's inspector general, the head of the SEC's Digital Forensics and Investigations Unit complained that his team was woefully underfunded, undertrained, and forced to work with repurposed equipment and hard drives that had been designated by other branches of the SEC for disposal. The memo to SEC Inspector General Carl Hoecker, shared with Reuters by a congressional staffer, cited "serious deficiencies" in funding and support. The entire hardware budget for the unit was $100,000 for fiscal year 2017—half a million under the amount needed.

Normally, complaints to the inspector general of an agency get significant attention. However, in this case, the complaint was directed to Hoeker because he oversaw the unit. The Digital Forensics and Investigation Unit was created by Hoeker in 2015 not just for internal security investigations but so his office could play a role in the SEC's law enforcement role—providing forensic support to SEC criminal investigations. In a 2016 report to Congress, Hoeker described the role of the unit within the SEC Office of Investigations:

This new unit enhances the OIG’s investigative capability and assists in detecting, identifying, and protecting against threats to the SEC's sensitive information systems. Furthermore, the OIG has added auditors with information technology (IT) expertise. These staff will assist the OIG in continuing to perform its important oversight function as the SEC continues to make needed technological improvements to achieve its mission.

But that vision never clearly materialized—and for that part, neither did agency funding.

"Even though the [unit] has been in existence for over one year, there is no strategic vision and no clear objectives," the memo's author wrote. The memo also cited a lack of communications from the SEC's Office of Information Technology on internal IT security issues.

Two months after the August 2016 memo was written, the SEC detected a breach in EDGAR through an application in testing that provided access to live data. But it would take nearly a year for the SEC to determine the extent of the breach.

https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2017/10/sec-hack-came-as-internal-security-team-begged-for-funding/

More info on the EDGAR SEC hack. There were many questions surrounding how it happened, what the circumstances were which led to the breach being possible. Preliminary data appears to indicate those responsible for securing EDGAR were short staffed and received a mere fraction of the funding necessary to do their jobs properly. Hopefully as more data becomes available and we have a better illustration of what happened we'll have a better comprehension as to the implications of this.
4075  Economy / Marketplace / Re: Projects you should start, we need! on: October 04, 2017, 09:36:16 PM
The buyer creates an escrow transaction, specifying the seller address, escrow address and amount of Ether. The smart contract locks the buyer's funds. When buyer receives the item, he can release the locked funds in the Dapp.

If a dispute happens, the escrow agent can step in to refund the buyer, or release funds to seller. At any point in time, the escrow agent NEVER has access to the funds, which eliminates one big security risk of transferring the entire transaction amount to the escrow.

In exchange for his service, escrow agent can charge a percentage fee set in the Dapp.

It is live at: http://escrowmyether.com/

Nice system. I'm impressed. Good design. The only nitpick I might offer is in addition to seller address, escrow address and quantity of ether metadata specified in the transaction, add a text field describing conditions of the transction involving goods/services bought/sold. That might help simplify disputes if the exact conditions are written in the transaction as if it were a legally binding document.

When it comes to escrow I think most are looking for long term reliability and brand name recognition. Banks, credit unions and other escrows enjoy such wonderful reputations that scams involving escrow in fiat are virtually unheard of. That could be the most important thing.
4076  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin Surges Above $4400 As World Realizes Jamie Dimon & China Don't Matter on: October 04, 2017, 06:23:37 PM
The Catalonia Referendum: Catalonia's attempt at seceding from spain and pulling a brexit of their own, could have been largely responsible for bitcoin's price rise over $4400 btw.

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Catalonia Referendum Pushes Bitcoin Prices Above $4,400

October 2nd, 2017

News that Catalonia has won "right to statehood" sent the price of Bitcoin at $4,400 on Sunday evening, close to 45% above the recent low.

It’s now official, 90% of Catalans who participated in Sunday’s referendum voted for independence.

That sounds like a clear victory for Catalonia’s independence movement.

The trouble is that only 42.3% of Catalonia’s participated in the referendum, which Spain’s constitutional court has declared illegal. And scores of people were injured in clashes with police.

While it is still unclear which way things will go next, one thing is clear, uncertainty is to spread over Spain, EU and the global economy.

That’s music in the ears of Bitcoin traders who pushed the digital currency up close to $150 dollars on Sunday evening, as clashes between pro-independence demonstrators and Spanish police broke off.

Bitcoin prices have stayed firmly above $4ooo recently, as traders have realized that the digital currency can survive and thrive without China. And government regulation is positive, not negative, for the future of Bitcoin and other major cryptocurrencies. It adds credibility to the market, while limiting the supply of new coin offerings.

Meanwhile, the digital currency has emerged as the new “gold,” a hedge against growing global uncertainty, as it was discussed in a previous piece here.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/panosmourdoukoutas/2017/10/01/catalonia-referendum-pushes-bitcoin-prices-above-4400/

Catalonia is 20% of spain's entire GDP. Catalonia pays more revenue into spain's central government, than they receive. Its a similar circumstance to the UK paying more revenue into the EU than whatever they receive in return.

A decent proportion of the EU's wealth is consumed supporting state's like greece which appear unable to address corruption or dysfunction at the leadership levels. Brexit could make sense as standard policy until corruption/dysfunction issues on the part of governments which consume wealth without producing much in the way of positive tangible returns can be addressed.
4077  Economy / Economics / Re: The value of bitcoin? on: October 04, 2017, 05:42:37 PM
I like the concept of monetary value being a function of #1 time, #2 innovation and #3 productivity(nearly the same thing as labor).

Example the value of bitcoin might be expressed in terms of the #1 time it took to mine all existing coins in millions of hash hours. The relative degree of #2 innovation bitcoin represents as a store of value, as a currency, as a traded commodity on exchanges, etcetera. And the economic/social/financial #3 productivity which occurs as a result of bitcoin's existence.

Of course this is an overly simplistic way of attempting to define value. There are many different facets to bitcoin and crypto's success. It is unfair to overgeneralize only 3 aspects of what is a long list of contributing variables.
4078  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: UFC 216: Ferguson vs Lee Info and Prediction Thread on: October 04, 2017, 05:20:41 PM
Here's an attempt at a breakdown of the main event.

Kevin Lee's kickboxing hasn't served him well in the past. He was TKO'ed by Leonardo Santos. Francisco Trinaldo landed a good left hand that put Kevin Lee on wobbly legs, nearly finishing him. While Kevin Lee trains boxing in Floyd Mayweather Jr's boxing gym, he hasn't shown the type of savvy one might expect from a big name gym in his stand up striking skills.

Based on what we've seen so far, wrestling is Kevin Lee's best chance of winning the fight.

Tony Ferguson is a state and national NCAA division 2 champion in wrestling. On paper, Ferguson is the better wrestler. MMA being a completely different sport from greco/freestyle wrestling, complicates things. One thing that separates mixed martial arts from other sports is the tremendous leaps in skill athletes can make in a very short time simply by changing their nutrition plans, switching coaches/gyms and taking a different approach to things.

Ferguson should be the betting favorite but as has happened to often in the past, the underdog has good chances of winning if they work hard, up their game and find a better approach to training and how they do things.

How does everyone see the fights panning out?
4079  Economy / Economics / Catalonia Referendum Pushes Bitcoin Prices Above $4400 on: October 02, 2017, 07:44:04 AM
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News that Catalonia has won ‘right to statehood’ sent the price of Bitcoin at $4400 on Sunday evening, close to 45% above the recent low.

It’s now official, 90% of Catalans who participated in Sunday’s referendum voted for independence.

That sounds like a clear victory for Catalonia’s independence movement.

The trouble is that only 42.3% of Catalonia’s participated in the referendum, which Spain’s constitutional court has declared illegal. And scores of people were injured in clashes with police.

Source: Coinranking.com

While it is still unclear which way things will go next, one thing is clear, uncertainty is to spread over Spain, EU, and the global economy.

That’s music in the ears of Bitcoin traders who pushed the digital currency up close to $150 dollars on Sunday evening, as clashes between pro-independence demonstrators and Spanish police broke off.

Bitcoin prices have stayed firmly above $4ooo recently, as traders have realized that the digital currency can survive and thrive without China. And government regulation is positive, not negative, for the future of Bitcoin and other major cryptocurrencies. It adds credibility to the market, while limiting the supply of new coin offerings.

Meanwhile, the digital currency has emerged as the new “gold,” a hedge against growing global uncertainty, as it was discussed in a previous piece here.

http://cfd.net.au/article/catalonia-referendum-pushes-bitcoin-prices-above-4400-mon-10022017-0408.html

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I don't know how strongly this news might be linked to bitcoin's value. The rationalization behind it seems to say Catalonia's independence is similar to the UK's brexit. It represents decentralization and the opposite paradigm to the one world government, one world currency, cashless society initiatives which globalists and perhaps central banks favor.

For those in europe who know more about this, what's your take on this?
4080  Economy / Services / Re: [OPEN] ChipMixer Signature Campaign | 0.00075 BTC/post on: October 02, 2017, 03:20:55 AM
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