silverbox, you're about to lose all your gains on GPL. sell while you can.
I know, but I just checked and the fed is still printing money like its going out of style, I'll just wait  unfortunately, Ben's bladder is too small to fill up the toilet of irreconcilable debt to prevent the flush down into deflationary hell. Do you think he can't or he won't? All he has to do is push the create $16 trillion button and poof it will exist. Why cant he do this? |
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silverbox, you're about to lose all your gains on GPL. sell while you can.
I know, but I just checked and the fed is still printing money like its going out of style, I'll just wait unfortunately, Ben's bladder is too small to fill up the toilet of irreconcilable debt to prevent the flush down into deflationary hell. Do you think he can't or he won't? |
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Did the price rise last year for halloween?
No. |
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Dr. Alexander's experience is consistent with similar visions of the afterlife.
Only similar in that all of these 'experiences' are vague and difficult to describe. When people have an inexpiable experience, whether it is similar to another's inexpiable experience or not, they will inevitably describe the experience similarly due to the fact that we only have so many words that can describe an inexpiable experience. |
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Are you saying this from experience or only by definition? If I told you I meditated and left my body, would you tell me what I experienced wasn't real, even if I said it was?
Yes. It is by definition, not real. "Hallucinations involve sensing things while awake that appear to be real, but instead have been created by the mind." You either have to accept that it was a hallucination, or decide that it wasn't a hallucination and was in fact real. There is no such thing as a 'real hallucination'. Do you accept that experience of the hallucination was real? The experience was really created by the mind. It existed. It was not real. So then youre saying something can exist without being real. With that logic we could infer that heaven exists through his "hallucination" of it. If we want to go down that route then we can say that every experience is created by the mind and therfore all experiences exist but are not real, i.e music, relationships, movies, conversations etc... The big difference you seem to be misunderstanding is the source of the experience. Was the experience caused by our interpretation of real external stimulus? Or was it caused by the brain itself? Here's another definition for you. Words mean things you know... "A hallucination, in the broadest sense of the word, is a perception in the absence of a stimulus. In a stricter sense, hallucinations are defined as perceptions in a conscious and awake state in the absence of external stimuli which have qualities of real perception, in that they are vivid, substantial, and located in external objective space." |
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Roman - any update on the potential investors/payback of the lost BTC?
I somewhat expected to start seeing my "held" BTC balance tick downwards ever so slightly as transaction fees are being collected, but it hasn't happened. Maybe it's a manual process now, but Roman should automate it. Continuous, incremental progress toward getting everyone paid back, even if it will take years, would be a welcome sight. Agreed, though I was also hoping he would find an investor to cover the losses. Maybe its because confidence in security has not been restored. I know mine hasn't. |
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Are you saying this from experience or only by definition? If I told you I meditated and left my body, would you tell me what I experienced wasn't real, even if I said it was?
Yes. It is by definition, not real. "Hallucinations involve sensing things while awake that appear to be real, but instead have been created by the mind." You either have to accept that it was a hallucination, or decide that it wasn't a hallucination and was in fact real. There is no such thing as a 'real hallucination'. Do you accept that experience of the hallucination was real? The experience was really created by the mind. It existed. It was not real. |
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Are you saying this from experience or only by definition? If I told you I meditated and left my body, would you tell me what I experienced wasn't real, even if I said it was?
Yes. It is by definition, not real. "Hallucinations involve sensing things while awake that appear to be real, but instead have been created by the mind." You either have to accept that it was a hallucination, or decide that it wasn't a hallucination and was in fact real. There is no such thing as a 'real hallucination'. |
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USD=80 coming right up.
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Bitcoin's horoscopes for Thursday October 11, 2012
In countries where there is often a lot of snow, drivers carry chains to place around their tyres. This gives them the traction they require to stop slipping and sliding around. Saturn's arrival in a new sector of the sky has effectively begun to bless you with a greater grip. You understand more about how to deal with a difficult situation and you feel less as if you must be constantly on guard for unexpected and unnerving developments. Today's events will do much to increase and strengthen that sense of confidence.
I gotta admit that these make me smile big sometimes.  |
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I continue to strongly believe that it is prudent to diversify, and prudent to prefer vehicles with limited counter-party risk. I still cannot fathom anyone ruling out the likelyhood that PM's will remain a key bedrock store of value and that they will almost certainly have utility as an exchange vehicle in almost any plausible scenerio. It may be risky to life and limb to own and use them, but that is not an argument I've heard you, or almost anyone else, make.
i never actually had to use my pm's to feel unsafe or at risk. the mere fact of having a coupla safe fulls of the stuff made me nervous. now i don't worry so much. having to use them on a daily basis to buy bread and water is totally unrealistic as far as i'm concerned and invites physical harm. being the only one on your block with gold bullion makes you a huge target. plus, with the tungsten issue, liquidity will be severely constrained and your value diminished if counterparties have to drill a representative sample of your coins or bars to feel satisfied they are getting full value. how are you going to pay to import the goods and services not available locally that you need or want? All of these issues have been dealt with effectively in the past so I don't see them as show-stoppers in the future. I must say that I think it more probable that the future looks a bit more controlled than some sort of Mad Max world, so much of the (legitimate) concerns about physical security and such are not so significant. But if we did happen to fall into the abyss I would rather take my chances with PM's than any other vehicle, and that includes Bitcoin. With either Bitcoin or PM's one will have to ratchet up the amount of technical skill and effort required to protect their position to meet whatever threat level develops. Difficult maybe, but not impossible. At least not for everyone. My guess is that far more people would have the native ability required to deal with PM's than they would with Bitcoin (in fringe scenarios that is.) actually, i don't see a Mad Max scenario either which is one of the reasons i'm bullish more on Bitcoin than gold. i see the internet remaining open and relatively free altho we in Bitcoin may have more tunneling to do. yes, we are going to deflate to a more realistic and frugal way of living and that means all of us, including Wall Street. prices need to come down or else the world will go up in flames as we're starting to see riots just about everywhere. we are going to clear the bad debts and reduce the derivatives mountain. this means the USD will go up, gold and silver down, and we all get back to saving and a more constrained way of living. and no, the Fed will not be able to save everyone's assets. Ben is going to be punished severely and will go down in history as one of the worst central bankers that ever lived. Bitcoin goes up b/c we're only one year into its bull and its too good of an idea; gold and silver will go down b/c they are at the end of a 12 yr bull. I really wish I understood what you mean and why you think the bolded part. |
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i just happen to have strong opinions about what is going on and the cycles tell me an entirely different story. but i could be wrong. its just that gold and silver have to be able to decouple from stock and USD moves IMO. they've not shown me they can do that.
I think we have a classic case of 'not seeing the forest for the trees' here. I suggest you zoom out some. i have and i see a top. I wonder why the correction broke to the upside if we were just at the top? |
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Just keep trying until you are right I guess?  and this doesn't apply equally well to you? It does apply to me, but not equally. I have not made a 200 page thread out of my speculations  you're full of shit. is this not a collective thread consisting of dozens of individual opinions that have voluntarily been logged? is it not that i still could be correct in the long run? is it not a compelling concept as evidenced by the number of views? is it not, arguably, THE fundamental debate here on this forum? is it not THE fundamental debate concerning the world economy and financial markets? yes, i might hoot and holler when gold goes down but i don't declare victory just b/c it's gone down a couple hundred bucks, like you. calm down, I like this thread and I like you. And yes, I have declared victory. The correction from the top (1900,50/Gold,Silver) is pretty clearly over. We are now in a smaller correction from the recent run up from (1600,28/Gold,Silver) but the trend is up. But no, I dont think it is really THE fundamental debate. I think that to many people try to lump BTC and PMs into the same boat. PMs are great stores of wealth and Bitcoin is a great medium for wealth transfer, but they really dont fill the same category. I dont think they need to be viewed diametrically... like you |
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Just keep trying until you are right I guess? and this doesn't apply equally well to you? It does apply to me, but not equally. I have not made a 200 page thread out of my speculations |
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USD back over 80. Yo Baby!
USD=80 coming right up.
Just keep trying until you are right I guess? 80 is a huge resistance level... its just gonna bounce down harder this time |
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I am looking to buy a mechanical keyboard or two. Anyone have any suggestions or opinions?
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That's a lot of money for paper cards. Can you tell me why they are so expensive?
because they're shiny paper cards with POKEMONS on them. Duh. |
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Definition of manipulation please.
If I have to define it for you, this conversation is kind of pointless. I dont blame you for not being able to explain your point of view, its hard to simply explain stupid ideas. |
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I'd say bitcoin is less manipulated then people think
Mtgox is quite obviously manipulated. Bitcoin the protocol isn't manipulated, but its price is via mtgox. mtgox != Bitcoin. Definition of manipulation please. |
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