I suggest that everybody interested in Asic mining on equihash and especially Zcash should join the Zcash forum: The discussion there is way more of interest as lately here: https://forum.z.cash/t/let-s-talk-about-asic-mining/27353/2501I mean the Z9's will ship in latest 30 days, so i think it isn't a bad idea to get familar there with the forum and community :-) Sure, if I they would let me... I was banned for 1,000 years. I'm judged with NO DUE PROCESS. My wife and I "BOTH" are in business together with our own mining farm at our house using 400 Amp service. Both of us stay home and do not work for anyone else. She was pissed when she saw I was silenced and used "OUR" laptop to create an account to spring a trap for Root (moderator) on the subject of Proof of Stake. We actually sat and talked about the best way to do it. She did not try to hide that it's HER account. She used HER EMAIL. We both have the same last names IN OUR EMAIL ADDRESS. She made her posts to Root asking questions to "bait" him on the POS subject. While waiting for him to reply, I used her account to send a couple of people PM's. She warned me that might get her banned but I did it anyway despite her warning. Shortly afterward, she gets silenced by the forum. Then later I get banned for 1,000 years and my wife is banned the same. Banned for the ACCUSATION of creating a 2nd account. WHEN FOR A FACT I DID NOT HAVE TWO ACCOUNTS. The 2nd account was my wife's account. She knows just as much about crypto as I do. Women love crypto too. NO? Anyway, your stance as "PRO ASIC" in that forum is TREASONIST. You're a NOOB with NO CLUE as to what's going on. You want us to go there to your ASIC shills on Zcash Forum and not spread the truth in other social media, such as here. There's about to be a MAJOR campaign against Zcash. Watch and see in the weeks and months to come... My wife and I are BOTH JUDGED WITH NO DUE PROCESS. As far as I'm concerned, Zcash is an ENEMY of humanity and everyone should stay clear from that coin and their project. For those who may not know, I'm the "PROWDCLOWN" Sonya is referring to. Scroll back and read my posts in that thread: https://forum.z.cash/t/let-s-talk-about-asic-mining/27353/2629 You will see I was "kicking names and taking ass."  . They did NOT like it. I was in the top 5 of those who posted in the forum and eating the Pro-ASIC people for breakfast in debate.  |
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It will raise the hasrate and the diff. shitmain will release much more ASICs than they've ben mining with, because they'll do more $ selling the ASICs rather than mining themselves.
Totally agree, Iamtutut. People [Like ourselves], WHO KNOW BETTER, are trying to warn the masses but many "Noobs" are experiencing this thing called, "FOMO." |
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In theory all the Z9's are already running and have been counted in the hashrate. That's what everyone says, that they have been running for months. So why are the DEVs getting their panties in a bunch? When Batch 1 is released it shouldn't raise the hashrate at all correct? It's batches after that we have to worry about.
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Another possible scenario - and one that is much smarter/devious - is to only use a fraction of a batch of ASIC miners before selling the rest of the batch to the public. The network hashrate will go up once people start receiving their miners and no one will be the wiser. Also, Bitmain would most likely stick to mining the coin with the highest network hashrate with their ASICs - ie, ZEC in the case of Equihash - whereas the public will mine various coins, resulting in massive network hashrate increases for those smaller coins. See, for example, DERO with CryptoNight - it went from a pokey 5MH/s to eclipsing 600MH/s - yes, it's network hashrate exceeds that of ZEC (I consider CryptoNight and Equihash comparable because you can get roughly the same hashrate with the same hardware). Excellent points, MagicSmoker. Thanks for sharing... |
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There's your original edit. You are a very special kind of person. The kind that's existence relies solely on spreading vitriol and hyperbole.
This is the last time I feed any of your trolling.
How's my "Zooko Fan" doing today? And YES, he is treasonist to his community he's losing daily. Good riddance! You and I or anyone else can debate ASIC-Resistance here and now if you like? I'm game for it... Cause many here who purchase this Z9 are about to get burned. Not by Coins forking but by Bitmain selling them gear that cannot compete with what they have in secret. The word "mini" behind Z9 is there for a reason. Don't you think? ROFL... If another manufacturer [Besides Bitmain] is claiming 40k sol's with their miner, what do you think Z9 "BEAST" will do? Hmmmmmmm? I've been in mining since the S1. Had the S3, S4, Spondoolies SP-20's, Bitmain S5 and S7. Believe me when I say, 'I've had my experience with BITMAIN. My last order I had with them (42 x S7's the end of 2015) will be the last order I will EVER send to them or any other ASIC manufacturer. ASIC's are a plague to the industry. BITMAIN is a plague to the industry. EDIT: By the way, for the record... I said, "That's an ugly mug." Not what you said. I decided his mug wasn't as ugly after all. Simply treasonist. Most importantly, I decided not to let my emotions get the best of me and resort to the vitriol you mentioned. I simply decided to stick to the truth: Treason. Can I not change my mind? Even if I'm wrong on something, can I not admit I'm wrong and correct my error? My error was saying, "That's an ugly mug." Decided it wasn't ugly and decided not to let my emotions get the best of me. So, I edited the post to keep it clean by moderating myself. That simple. Zcash never created an official forum on Bitcoin Talk. I wonder why? |
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In theory all the Z9's are already running and have been counted in the hashrate. That's what everyone says, that they have been running for months.
They have been. Everyone purchasing them are about to get what Bitmain has had running on their shelves while they replaces the Z9 "mini" on those shelves with Z9 "beast." However, they only turn on enough of the Z9 "beast" to equal pretty much the same hash rate they had before taking Z9 "mini" off the shelves to ship to those purchasing them. THEN [Once at least 50% of their Z9 "mini's" are sold, they begin slowly turning on more Z9 "beast" but not too many... They don't want to discourage noobs from purchasing their Z9 "mini." So why are the DEVs getting their panties in a bunch? When Batch 1 is released it shouldn't raise the hashrate at all correct? It's batches after that we have to worry about.
Mere speculation... Mainly based off your first comment about ASIC's "already" being on the network. Cause they ARE on the network. You'll see if and/or when forks are implemented and watch the hash rate plummet. Also, if they change the algo, I don't think it will take long for BitMain to release a new miner. They seem to have building miners for GPU only coins down, and it they don't Baikal will.
This is just to do something to try to keep ASIC's from pushing out GPU's all together. This may be good for 6 months. If ZEN and other Equihash coins were to do this every 6 months, it could discourage BITMAIN and other private ASIC manufacturers from wanting to try this again. R&D on another chip would be about 6 months for BITMAIN. Have a look at PROG PoW. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6B-ZCyP6K8&t |
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How you like this announcement, BITMAIN? ROFL.... |
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I cannot agree more, MedaR. This is a WISE decision, Sir. VERY WISE!!! If ZEN were to wait to fork towards the end of the year, it would have been too late in my opinion. I was seriously thinking about selling my rigs and do nothing but trading. This announcement you've made has made me slow my roll and hang in there. I was about to get depressed after all this work I've done with my mining room. ASIC's will still push a lot of GPU miners away from Equihash Algorithm coins that do not fork soon just as ZEN is doing. This will drive up the difficulty of other coins [Including ZEN] and push out GPU miners with high power rates. This COULD turn out to be a blessing in disguise for ZEN by pushing GPU miners over to ZEN from ZEC and other Equihash coins that do not fork soon. This will still get messy for GPU miners. I kind of wish it was a coordinated effort by every Equihash coin out there except ZEC. As far as I'm concerned, ZEC can snuggle up to ASIC all they want. I'm DONE with them! Mainly because of Zooko. They can fork every day to maintain ASIC Resistance from this day forward. That's STILL not going to get me to go back. Whenever ZEN gets around to making an announcement with a DATE OF A FORK, don't be surprised if we see 51% attack just before those dates. The alt-coin networks are about to get extremely vulnerable to BITMAIN if developers of Equihash coins do not get their act together like ZEN and allow BITMAIN to take control of their coins. Thank you, ZEN, for being a leader and not a follower in regards to ASIC Resistance. Making the decision to jump on this as soon as possible will be great for ZEN and enlarge community. That's the goal... EDIT: sharing a valid comment someone made in another forum: Also, Bitmain would most likely stick to mining the coin with the highest network hashrate with their ASICs - ie, ZEC in the case of Equihash - whereas the public will mine various coins, resulting in massive network hashrate increases for those smaller coins. See, for example, DERO with CryptoNight - it went from a pokey 5MH/s to eclipsing 600MH/s - yes, it's network hashrate exceeds that of ZEC (I consider CryptoNight and Equihash comparable because you can get roughly the same hashrate with the same hardware).
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That's not how i read it, but than again, English isn't my native language. As said allready, for me it sounds like this:
- Zooko doesn't agree to the fork, means no fork at all
- But he did agree to algo tweaking, something that can done without forking
- This means again, as soon as this tweaking happens, asisc on zcash algo are finished.
While i wrote allready on the zcash forum that no further discussion is needed, no answers, corrections, whatever since than, which again makes me believe that it's just as i readed it, but again, i could be totally wrong, but doesn't sound too good.
Are you Pro ASIC or Pro GPU. On Zcash Forum, you're marketing the hell out of ASIC's. On here you appear to be Pro-GPU. WHICH IS IT? Are you really Pro-ASIC and trying to discourage others here from purchasing the ASIC's YOU want to buy? By the way, I'm "ProwdClown" in that link you provided. I think you know me from Zcash Forum because you and I were going at it before I was banned. You - Pro ASIC and me - Pro GPU. That CRAP "Root" (Moderator in Zcash Forum - https://forum.z.cash/u/root/summary) pulled with me (ProwdClown) earlier by banning me from the forum is pathetic. Here are posts made in the forum in question: https://forum.z.cash/t/let-s-talk-about-asic-mining/27353/2593 Zcash may go up in price but it will lose traction with adoption. When you say, ".... but it doesn't sound too good," are you trying to imply you're pro GPU? EDIT: Zcash Forum banned me till May 21, 3018. NOT 2018. THREE thousand eighteen. ROFL.... Looks like you have full reign to spread your Pro-ASIC BS without proper rebuttal till 3018.Here's what TREASON looks like:  |
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The network hash rate for Zcash is beginning to go up quite a bit. This is only the beginning. It's going to get worse. You can bet BITMAIN is distributing their Z9 hash across all Equihash coins at the top of http://whattomine.com/coins. However, I believe they are increasing their hash with NOT the Z9 "mini" but with Z9 "Beast." {Made up the name "Beast"} They are selling the "mini" to gullible peons who have no idea what's in store for them. Zcash network hash currently at 656 MH/s at this writing. By the time Equihash coins get around to a fork of some kind, it may be too late. Equihash ASIC's will have pushed GPU miners away from Equihash Algorithm coins to other coins; which will drive up their difficulty. This is about to get messy for GPU miners. Whenever ZEN, BTG and other small Equihash coins do get around to making an announcement with a DATE OF A FORK, don't be surprised if we see 51% attacks just before those dates. The networks are about to get extremely vulnerable to BITMAIN.EDIT: Zcash Forum banned me till May 21, 3018. NOT 2018. THREE thousand eighteen. ROFL.... |
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hopefully zen doesnt get hurt by the asics through 51% attacks... a lot of good coins like zen and komodo are at risk now... these are great projects that don't deserve to get screwed over because of bitmains greed.
fact about root - he was only in it for the money - said so himself... sad they promote someone like that to moderator... heh.. i guess its a business so zec co and him have more in common with each other...
I was thinking the same thing, in regards to the 51% attacks. Especially after that episode with BTG. Yes sir, very sad indeed they promote someone like that to Moderator. Anyway, I'm jumping on the ZEN wagon and going to do some serious marketing for ZEN soon because [Like you've said] Zcash does not have our best interest at heart. Have a good day/evening, CryptoMined, and keep up the great work, Sir. |
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I'm banned now on ZCash Forum... ROFL...
I'm banned for posting what a Moderator said. Instead of him coming back with a comment to try to CLARIFY his statement, he bans me. ROFL...
LOL yeah root, he was a good guy, used to chat with him a lot, but he is very pro asic... and now he is a zcash mod... heh.. yeah he is a sellout himself... he loves bitmain... anyways they can all go F themselves Yes sir. Agreed. As soon as my mining room remodel is completed within the next 7 to 8 days, I'm going to PROVE to Zcash that ONE person can't actually make a difference in the scheme of things. I'm about to go on a major campaign to promote ZEN and demote ZEC. |
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So they think following ETH's example is the best way forward.
Move on...
Move on to ZEN. |
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you see a future that is centralized... controlled, pegged...
bitmain backed circle usd coin as a bribe so they could bulid mining farms in the states. this was done for their best interests, not ours... they never have our best interests at heart.
the whole idea of crypto was supposed to get us away from centralization... away from politicians and governments that can be bribed... away from corruption...
when corrupt companies can do things the rest of the public can not - that is not an open market
if crypto is too volatile for you, stick to the USD. crypto doesn't need you. if you prefer centralized corrupt currencies... you already have them and you can want more... but don't tell us what we want... we know what we want.
as for natural selection... medicine is also a part of natural selection and ProgPOW is the medicine that POW crypto's need
Well spoken, Cryptomined. I'm banned now on ZCash Forum... ROFL... I'm banned for posting what a Moderator said. Instead of him coming back with a comment to try to CLARIFY his statement, he bans me. ROFL... I'm about to ACTIVELY PROMOTE ZEN. I'm going to PROVE to ZCash Company and ZCash Foundation that ONE PERSON CAN ACTUALLY MAKE A DIFFERENCE. Keep up the great work, Cryptomined.    |
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I'm not the advocating that 51% attacks are a problem. I don't care who has the having power. It's just natural selection. Some coins will be killed. That's good. Do we really need more than a handful of cryptos? Just let the free open market sort everything out. Fighting the ASICs only DECREASES the chance of more competition eventually emerging. It's a short term gain long term loss fool's errand.
I see a future with official government cryptos that operate on a universal network to allow cheap and easy but accountable transactions worldwide, excluding craphole, poorly governed countries that refuse to participate. That's why a handful of old school cryptos will explode after the coming crypto winter.
Once crypto is backed by GDP, it will be universally accepted and useable because it will be stable.
Speaking of which, you should applaud Bitmain for backing Circle/USD Coin. That's definitely a step in the right direction.
Well you just have it all figured out don't you. lol Notice how these new user accounts come on to shill for BITMAIN with their worthless two cents? What was said there is so laughable, I'm not even going to try to give a proper response. It would be a waste of my valuable time. These newbies not only act as though they are mining experts but also act as if they are economic and financial experts. lol The spelling and all is terrible. Are you Chinese? Do you work for Bitmain? |
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Binance had Zencash as a 'Community coin of the month' option - twice - and it didn't get the votes needed from the community for the discounted listing. So it has had the opportunity to be listed, but for whatever reason, didn't pull enough votes from people like us.
It could still get listed through the regular channels, but obviously it would be more costly for zencash and might take longer.
Any idea how to get a vote going once again? It seems to be more of a Binance team decision to put a coin up for nomination if they think it is a long term project with community interest (and will therefore generate more votes, which cost BNB). Given that zencash has already had two shots and getting listed through the 'Community coin' channel, my guess is that Binance won't be in a rush to give it a third shot. I think zencash developers with Binance may be more inclined to try again for Zencash when it has forked for supernodes and the later fork away from Asics, along with other improvements through zenpub etc as then there will be some 'new' things to market and push for more votes. A lot of the winners of Community coin are fairly new projects that are listed on very few exchanges, so there is more of a push for listing from coin followers. So the fact that zencash is already on a few exchanges and has been around for a while may make it more difficult to get a listing through this path. However cryptopia isn't working properly for zencash, and other exchanges have their own bugs so that's another reason why I vote for zencash to be listed as part of the Binance community coin process. Thank you for the very descriptive explanation. |
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So whats the current status with zec about forking still a no go or remain to be seen?Also glad that there are people outthere calling out zooko out about promised asic resistance and him talking how asics are a good thing...
From what I gather, the ZEC developers are punting the issue to focus on other updates that were already planned. The may look into doing something toward the end of the year, but that's too little too late as far as I am concerned (if they do anything at all). Yes, I agree for the most part in regards to "too little too late." Hard to say for certain but odds are, you're probably correct. |
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So whats the current status with zec about forking still a no go or remain to be seen?Also glad that there are people outthere calling out zooko out about promised asic resistance and him talking how asics are a good thing...
Remains to be seen in my opinion with Zooko still actively marketing two chains (ASIC/GPU) to benefit his own economic interest with double dev fees. I posted a link into the thread he marketed two chains in previous post. His post is number 32 in that thread which I commented. |
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You're not adding any value/content to the thread.
@dmwardjr please, dftt
Another "ignored" newbie who thinks people actually give a damn about their opinion of someone else. |
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