And yes, posting a link to the video makes some sense. I would like to hear the video clown's answer/explaination.
Boxalex, He deleted the video. Again, great job man! +1 You deserve a merit for that one. Certainly earned it. |
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Wow, this Z9 really is a blessing. Sold all of my 1st lot for 1.8x the price I bought them for. Thankyou dreamers, you keep us alive.
Good for you! Always like to see someone do well. If you didn't mine with them, someone else would. |
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No problem mate. As said bevor, we can have different opinions but it must be fair and it's a good sign you have readed it, you actually as well can check it to be double sure it's correct.
The problem is that too fast someone takes such things, as that video for example, as a given fact, not investigating, proofing or asking questions. That's the main problem. Leave aside
Bitmain in this case but just generally. Who knows how much shit was posted about other projects that way? It's devasting for smaller projects if untrue facts are shown and than spread.
Just as an other example what bad impact a bad researched article, video, even post can have. And exactly this forces me allways to double check things bevor i post them.
And yes, posting a link to the video makes some sense. I would like to hear the video clown's answer/explaination.
Couldn't agree more. Yes, I hope he responds to see if he will redact it or follow up with another video redacting what he said. |
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It's up to you if you believe in facts or rumours, in things you can check and proof their validity or on 3rd party rumours, you can do your own mathematical calculatin in this issue or just blindly thrust that video clown. And of course you can always just shoot down eyes, ears and brain and not take any proof and just continue with your claim (the video to be true), up to everybody his own of course. But it's absolutly unfair and dishonest to spread proofed wrong information in my opinion.
Couldn't have said it any better myself. Point taken... It was "unfair" but I would not say, "dishonest." Cause I "honestly" thought he knew what the hell he was talking about. I learned a good lesson there. So, again, point taken. I'll do better next time. |
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Oh REALLY? So, the ZEC Developers have their Dev fee address on AntPool? Interesting.... ROFL.... No, but they get the Dev fee from Antpool of course, as ZEC is mined there, common sense and logic dude. You're full of crap, SIR.
PROVE it to me and I'll take it back. Sure, nothing more easy than that. The Founder’s Reward ( 2.5 ZEC) doesn’t require any hashpower. It’s just automatically given to Zcash Co.'s address ( t3esCNwwmcyc8i9qQfyTbYhTqmYXZ9AwK3X) whenever a block is mined. (that's the adress the guy in the video mentioned!) Txns Received: 12439 (= 12439 blocks * 2.5 min = 21.6 days) Total Received: 31097.5 ZEC = (12439 blocks * 2.5 ZEC) (that's the amount the guy in the video mentions!!!) https://explorer.zcha.in/accounts/t3esCNwwmcyc8i9qQfyTbYhTqmYXZ9AwK3XIn the explorer you can see each transaction is for 2.5ZEC, the ZcashCo Dev fee!!! Notable that this clown made a video about Zcash and even doesn't notice that all these 2.5 ZEC transactions are the DEVfee and never will change whatever happens. Even a 10 year old girl would have noticed that ALL transactions are exactly 2.5 ZEC and it NEVER can be from mining due that. I tried to make it as easy as possible so the biggest believer and the not so smart people can follow it easy. Now i await an honest excuse. So far you have offended me at least 5 times and each time i provided you with a FACT that i'am not a liar. No matter i have different believes i will NEVER go an post something untrue, wrong, missleading, just understand that finally. Even if you could prove it [And I take it back] it still does not erase a STRONG argument that BITMAIN has mined with Z9's (not "mini") privately/secretly for quite some time. Probably since fall of 2017.
No, that is a valid argument and you have here (i'am not argue on that one) and it's true at least for some weeks back as we found their pool they are mining, way below <10% by the way. Everybody can look it up on the Zcash hashrate charts by the way. But it's not related to the video, if someone investigates further they can eventually find Bitmains Zcash adress, but it's not the one in the video as allready explained above! If you have a simple look at the dates for EACH TRANSACTION coming into those addresses, you'll easily see they are "NOT" DEV FEE ADDRESSES. WHY? Cause the Dev Fee address would receive ZEC on every block OR it would be set up to provide ZEC for the address FROM and TO a specific time or blocks of every hour or 24 hours. That's OBVIOUSLY not the case here.
Actually it is on every block, see again above, explained in detail. Just check again on the explorer with the adresses ..... It is and it was like that, easy as that. the easiest way by the way to see it's the dev fee is the 2.5. It's fixed. If anybody was mining it, than it would look like: 2.53, 2.5107, 2.5003, whatever as the minimim payout will never be exactly 2.5. This point makes me most wonder that the guy in the video missed, and you too! It's not propaganda. Bring your PROOF all three of those addresses in the video are Dev Fee addresses. Don't you find it ODD the developers would reveal their DEV wallet address for the world to see on a coin that's based on PRIVACY of addresses? If I'm mistaken, show me PROOF those are Dev Fee Addresses and we'll see who's "retarded" and "misleading."
There is no need to have them reveal their wallet adresses. Everybody can view the explorer and look it up is own. I personally checked only 1 wallet adress (the biggest one in the video) as i got intrigued as well when watching the video than back, but as soon as i saw the fixed 2.5 ZEC it was clear it's one of the dev fee wallets for that miningpool. Others looked up the other adresses as well and came to the same conclusion. Actually it's the most obivious thing, enough you don't have blinkers on your eyes. It's up to you if you believe in facts or rumours, in things you can check and proof their validity or on 3rd party rumours, you can do your own mathematical calculatin in this issue or just blindly thrust that video clown. And of course you can always just shoot down eyes, ears and brain and not take any proof and just continue with your claim (the video to be true), up to everybody his own of course. But it's absolutly unfair and dishonest to spread proof wrong information in my opinion. GREAT JOB, MAN... DAMN GOOD JOB... I actually LEARNED SOMETHING. Then YES, I WAS MOST CERTAINLY "PATHETIC" propagating something I did not KNOW there. Thanks a million.... Now, I'll post a link in a comment on that video to this EXCELLENT post you made here. Cause I was "pathetic" enough to believe his crap.  |
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Hey dmwardjr, the domain ihatebitmain.com is available, you should jump right on that!!
ROFL... I'll pass... I can think of a better domain name than that. |
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I'm waiting for the day when Bitmain builds a miner that can mine any algo with just a firmware change. When that happens dmwardjr will really lose his shit!!
ROFL... In your wet dreams.... |
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THANK YOU,
Dude thinks he's Sherlock Holmes and solved the worlds biggest mystery. The fact that they need to announce the Z9 to confirm this revelation is pretty sad.
ROFL... You guys crack me up. I said FROM DAY ONE THE "MINI WAS ANNOUNCED" on several social media sites that "mini" implies ANOTHER Z9 "BEAST" exists. Don't believe me, look through all my posts from history, moron. Hell, look on ZCash Forum for posts from ProwdClown and you'll see I mentioned it from day one. Even a moron like yourself could figure that out. Sounds like to me I've found another stressed out purchaser of a Z9 who will get their unit in August/September and he's pissed I've got him stressed out talking about forks. |
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Jihan Wu retweeted someone saying that there is a Z9, but that it is only 3X faster than the mini. Go look at his twitter.
Only? ROFL... So, this is suppose to ease the minds of those who purchased Z9 mini's? ROFL... It only proved he lied to Zooko about not having a larger ZCash miner AND they have been mining with it all along before his conversation with Zooko AND mined with it BEFORE creating the Z9 "mini." So, those who want to continue to trust BITMAIN can go right ahead. See you at the forks before September. for a full-on retard you roll on the floor the right exact amount. We'll see who's "full retard" when these forks come. |
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Jihan Wu retweeted someone saying that there is a Z9, but that it is only 3X faster than the mini. Go look at his twitter.
Only? ROFL... So, this is suppose to ease the minds of those who purchased Z9 mini's? ROFL... It only proved he lied to Zooko about not having a larger ZCash miner AND they have been mining with it all along before his conversation with Zooko AND mined with it BEFORE creating the Z9 "mini." So, those who want to continue to trust BITMAIN can go right ahead. See you at the forks before September. |
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Bitmain's Pre-Mining Policy is a Gold Mine: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNg5yxlvvngIf one does simple math using the ZEC addresses provided in that video, they would easily determine BITMAIN has been private/secret mining with Z9's ( not "mini") for a very long time. You know that is totally retarded? I told you that the Guy in the Video did not research or he would have seen that these Wallets (where he/you thinks are Bitmains wallets) are from the Zcash Company where they get their Dev fee. And you continue to post it, really? You lost all bonus on fairness and understanding i had until now and that. What a joke dude, seems every medium is ok for an agenda, doesn't matter if true or an obivious lie. Seriously, i couldn't sleep well if i whole day spread lies, missleading, hate and such things and i wouldn't even less feel good as a person. What a rotten tomato character only ...... Oh REALLY? So, the ZEC Developers have their Dev fee address on AntPool? Interesting.... ROFL.... You're full of crap, SIR. PROVE it to me and I'll take it back. Even if you could prove it [And I take it back] it still does not erase a STRONG argument that BITMAIN has mined with Z9's (not "mini") privately/secretly for quite some time. Probably since fall of 2017. If you have a simple look at the dates for EACH TRANSACTION coming into those addresses, you'll easily see they are "NOT" DEV FEE ADDRESSES. WHY? Cause the Dev Fee address would receive ZEC on every block OR it would be set up to provide ZEC for the address FROM and TO a specific time or blocks of every hour or 24 hours. That's OBVIOUSLY not the case here. It's not propaganda. Bring your PROOF all three of those addresses in the video are Dev Fee addresses. Don't you find it ODD the developers would reveal their DEV wallet address for the world to see on a coin that's based on PRIVACY of addresses? If I'm mistaken, show me PROOF those are Dev Fee Addresses and we'll see who's "retarded" and "misleading." |
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Suprnova pool has a major big farm mining with an incredible hashrate, and two more "small" farms... so incredible that does not take to long to have 51% hashrate, in theory... My guess finger is saying to me that new ASICS from Bitmain are beeing tested on Zencash right now... This is infamous.... 16.720.549 Sol/s - half of Suprnova hashes... equivalent to about 2000 units of Z9 mini Bitmain ASICS. https://ibb.co/hPfTv8If we not get ride of this guys ZEN will be severely hurt... Suprnova doesnt attack us, on contrary they are very helpful in this process.  +1 on that comment. The higher hashrate the more secure,so we need the ascis which can provide higher hashrate,saying,more secure system as BITCOIN.
It is a hysterical disease for fearing advanced machine,are we the uncivilized man who use pen and paper to calculate HASH? Ridiculous.
Suppose it's only a coincidence these 51% attacks occur on coins that: #1: Declared they will fork away from ASIC's. #2: All within a short time after CONFIRMING they will fork away from ASIC's. #3: BITMAIN has a "motive" to implement a 51% attack based on developers of Equihash coins making a declaration they will fork. #4: The fact that BITMAIN revealed they have a Z9 (not "mini") proves it would be VERY easy to implement a 51% attack. Which would ALSO prove they have mined with them for quite some time. By you coming on here with your comment as a NEW ACCOUNT only suggests to me you're part of a FALSE FLAG 51% attack. Meaning, BITMAIN implements the 51% attack then sends proxy accounts out on social media to say we need their ASIC's to protect coins from attacks while they were the ones implementing the attacks all along. We're NOT stupid. Tell it to someone who's new to mining and doesn't know any better. Once these coins are forked, we'll see BITMAIN LIED to Zooko in regards to not private/secret mining AND about not having a larger Equihash rig that's been mining for a LONG time. Hell, it's quite obvious they had the Z9 (not mini) BEFORE announcing their Z9 mini for sale. How will we see BITMAIN lied? Once everyone notes how much the network hash rate drops. Especially, if ZEC actually forks and we witness their hash rate drop. BITMAIN, currently has their hash rate distributed somewhat equally among BTG, ZEN, BCP and ZEC. |
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With the recent 51% attacks on Bitcoin Gold and ZenCash earlier today, I think there is a large amount of these miners already out there.
The Zencash attack was at least 58MH/s so that would be about 100,000 of the latest Nvidia GPUs or about ~ 1450 of these non-mini ASICs.
Most likely with these attacks going on, many of these Equihash coins will have no choice but to fork.
Suppose it's only a coincidence these 51% attacks occur on coins that: #1: Declared they will fork away from ASIC's. #2: All within a short time after CONFIRMING they will fork away from ASIC's. #3: BITMAIN has a "motive" to implement a 51% attack based on their declaration they will fork. #4: The fact that BITMAIN revealed they have a Z9 ( not "mini") proves it would be VERY easy to implement a 51% attack. Which would ALSO prove they have mined with them for quite some time. Once these coins are forked, we'll see BITMAIN LIED to Zooko about not private mining AND about not having a larger Equihash rig that's been mining for a LONG time once everyone notes how much the network hash rate drops. Especially, if ZEC actually forks. I've known BITMAIN is only out for themselves and doesn't give a damn about the crypto community. The only explanation for people supporting BITMAIN is: #1: Those people are only in it for themselves as well and could care less about decentralization in all its forms. #2: Their ignorant from lack of experience with BITMAIN and simply brainwashed into believing the BITMAIN illusion. Message for those of you who ordered Z9 mini's to be delivered in August/September: I'm sure BITMAIN is enjoying breaking in your Z9 mini's before shipping them off to you. They already have your non-refundable payment. So, why should they care? If you wanted a refund and they refuse to give it to you, it only shows they don't give a damn about you and only for themselves. Bitmain's Pre-Mining Policy is a Gold Mine: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNg5yxlvvngIf one does simple math using the ZEC addresses provided in that video, they would easily determine BITMAIN has been private/secret mining with Z9's ( not "mini") for a very long time. Those of you who ordered the August/September shipments of Z9 mini from BITMAIN are simply trying to give me a hard time as you stress out over these coming forks that could potentially ruin your ROI. I'm looking forward to these forks before September. |
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dmwardjr,
Thank you for your concern and effort to make us all aware of the perils of doing business with Bitmain. I think we all get it now after the multiple so many pages and posts. Can we move on now? I'm sure there are better things you could do with your day/s. What do you need to hear from the members of this topic for you to back off a little and let other folks express their opinions without your commentary?
I would really love to hear from some folks that already have their units and are running them? Early (LUCKY) owners of Z9's pls share.
Thank you!
I will CONTINUE to provide UPDATES as they arise. Such as Bitmain revealing they have a Z9 ( not "mini"). Expect more to come as more light is shed on the subject of forks, etc... Was this some kind of revelation in your world? They literally named it the mini. Which, unless you're full blown retarded, would allude to the fact that it's the mini version, and that a bigger version exists. You are a very special person. You need to start a blog bro, you're good at blogging. Put those wasted keystrokes to use on a blog, pal. I see you on every single site and twitter and everywhere else blowing up and raging on the Z9. Dude actually retweets Alex Jones and other nonsense. It's actually QUITE pathetic at this point SIR! MOST likely the Z9 mini has a CHIP planted inside that reads our thoughts and forwards them to LITTLE Davey. Done clucking yet? I sure as hell am not. I'm staying here to see how things pan out once coins start forking, SIR. |
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With the recent 51% attacks on Bitcoin Gold and ZenCash earlier today, I think there is a large amount of these miners already out there.
The Zencash attack was at least 58MH/s so that would be about 100,000 of the latest Nvidia GPUs or about ~ 1450 of these non-mini ASICs.
Most likely with these attacks going on, many of these Equihash coins will have no choice but to fork.
So what you are saying is that a company/government/someone with money at any time could have gotten secret asics built and ruined these coins if they wanted to, right? This is what makes GPUs weak IMO. The fact that someone can produce an asic in silence and take over the network at any time. Am I wrong about this? Most developers of Equihash coins simply learned a lesson about their first attempt at an ASIC resistant algo. It's that simple. No big deal... Meet PROG Proof of Work: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6B-ZCyP6K8&t=4s It's able to render both ASIC's and FPGA's to be on an even keel [For the most part] with GPU's. |
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I really don't understand what the big deal is, the power draw will probably also be 3-4x as well, likely the only difference will be the upfront price per kS/s. Not to mention they already had the Z9 ( not "mini") [More than likely] since the fall of 2017 [Gaining majority control of Equihash hash rate] THEN R&D for the Z9 "mini" to sell to unwary home and farm miners. I'm quite certain they also have an S11 mining BTC and BCH as we speak. But you won't see those until they finish so-called "testing" of them over a 6 to 12 month period. ROFL... I'm getting back to work in the mining room remodel for better heat dissipation. I'll drop back by later. Cheers, |
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dmwardjr,
Thank you for your concern and effort to make us all aware of the perils of doing business with Bitmain. I think we all get it now after the multiple so many pages and posts. Can we move on now? I'm sure there are better things you could do with your day/s. What do you need to hear from the members of this topic for you to back off a little and let other folks express their opinions without your commentary?
I would really love to hear from some folks that already have their units and are running them? Early (LUCKY) owners of Z9's pls share.
Thank you!
I will CONTINUE to provide UPDATES as they arise. Such as Bitmain revealing they have a Z9 ( not "mini"). Expect more to come as more light is shed on the subject of forks, etc... |
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ZEN has a VERY PROFESSIONAL TEAM who knows what they're doing. Even when it comes to a 51% attack - https://forum.z.cash/clicks/track?url=https%3A%2F%2Fblog.zencash.com%2Fzencash-statement-on-double-spend-attack%2F&post_id=119908&topic_id=27353
Does anyone think it's a coincidence ZEN is one of three coins now who vowed to fork away from ASIC's and receive a 51% attack not long after making an announcement to fork away from ASIC's? The ONLY one I can think of who would have MOTIVE to perform such an attack would be BITMAIN CORPORATION.
BITMAIN is a plague to the industry who MUST be shunned by the community for gratifying itself at the expense of "community."
ANYONE who is pro-Bitmain is more than welcome to debate me on the subject of BITMAIN's private/secret mining in this open forum. I'll PROVE to you with ZEC addresses on AntPool and simple math how someone [More than likely Bitmain] potentially has over 50% of the ZEC hash rate due to ASIC's. Keep in mind, they can also mine privately in a private pool of their own. Here's a video providing a couple of ZEC addresses on AntPool to show their revenue over a couple of days: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNg5yxlvvng If you use a calculator to do the math to determine the potential hash rate required to mine the amount of ZEC, you will see what I mean.
I'm quite certain BITMAIN has been mining Equihash with their Z9 (not "mini") since summer of 2017. I believe BITMAIN invested into R&D for the Z9 "mini" to sell to everyone else WHILE continuing to mine with their Z9 (not "mini"). The only reason BITMAIN recently mentioned they have a Z9 (not "mini") on twitter is because they probably felt the need to leak it in the event they want to sell them to the public if they think they will not see the revenue they had hoped for due to too many Equihash coins forking away from BITMAIN's ASIC's.
The tweet in the screenshot below is PROOF that BITMAIN has a Z9 (not "mini") and have more than likely been mining privately/secretly with it since summer of 2017. I guarantee you if ZEC was to fork away from ASIC's, we would see a similar drop in hash rate as what we saw with MONERO hash rate when their fork was implemented. https://bitinfocharts.com/comparison/monero-hashrate.html#1y
Make no mistake about it; ZEC will play a pivotal role in the future of GPU mining. This is why it's so important for us to come together as a community NOW to have an honest (unbiased) discussion about what's best for the community. Even if ZEC forks away from ASIC's, I REFUSE to provide ANY support and/or marketing for them in the future. I even stopped providing technical analysis to followers on Trading View for ZEC.
I'm thankful to VosKcoin on YouTube for talking about ZEN in one of his videos. Once he stirred up my curiosity, I now see ZEN is a much better ecosystem who actually VALUES their community and recognizes the importance of working together as a community to promote the best crypto ecosystem for humanity in regards to decentralized currency, privacy, freedom of speech and freedom from tyranny.
Many new miners to the crypto space have not had experience mining with ASIC's over the years as some of us have. Many have not had EXPERIENCE with Bitmain over the years as some of us have. My experience with BITMAIN began with the S1. I was DONE with them after receiving 42 x S7's in December, 2015; of which MOST were OBVIOUSLY USED. I sold them in February, 2016 after mining with them for a while to make some money before selling them close to the same price as what I paid for them. The S9 came out a month later after I sold them. I began GPU mining in April, 2016.
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Computers are going away. Fewer and fewer people have a "computer". Everyone has phones, so clearly we need to change to PROG POW and restrict all mining to cell phones... You know, for the greater good and decentralization and all.  ROFL... |
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