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481  Bitcoin / Press / Re: 2013-06-23 Forbes - Bitcoin Foundation Receives Cease And Desist Order From Ca on: June 23, 2013, 05:03:33 PM
It's just some idiot government critter thinking the foundation is something like "Bitcoin Corporation".

Correct.

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It would be fun watching the foundation be disbanded anyway.

Most of the forum idiots here do not seem to realize that the Bitcoin Foundation is taking slings and arrows on behalf of others, fighting for bitcoin acceptance.

When you fight for bitcoin, people fight back.

It would be a loss for all if the Bitcoin Foundation goes away.

482  Bitcoin / Press / Re: 2013-06-23 Forbes - Bitcoin Foundation Receives Cease And Desist Order From Ca on: June 23, 2013, 05:01:50 PM
Ill be honest, they are really starting to clamp down hard in the U.S and is making me nervous.

With this exception of this California action, everything else in the US has been completely consistent with existing US law.

483  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Shadowrun and Bitcoin's roots on: June 23, 2013, 04:32:35 AM
Shadowrun and bitcoin's roots

Original link: http://garzikrants.blogspot.com/2013/06/shadowrun-and-bitcoins-roots.html


Satoshi's bitcoin paper, mailing list and forum discussions list bitcoin's ancestors as ecash, hashcash, b-money and the cypherpunk movement.  I'd argue that it has its roots in staple science fiction as well.

Recently, strolling through my stacks of scifi books, some Shadowrun novels leapt out at me.  Pulp science fiction of average quality, but some of the text particularly resonated with bitcoin today.  Quoting liberally from Never Deal With A Dragon,

p121, Like many clubs, Rumplestiltskin's employed a Troll to handle the lines of hopefuls. ... They were still ten meters from the front of the line when Roe suddenly appeared.  "This will never do," she said.  Taking each one by the arm, she led them directly up to the doorman.  She twirled a shiny credstick in her right hand.  The four dark bands on the end of the cylinder marked it as certified for at least one hundred nuyen.  She tossed it to the man.  "My friends here are late for their table."

p161, She held out her personal comp to him.  He smiled in assurance that he had regained the upper hand as he slotted his credstick and made the funds transfer.  To demonstrate her trust, Hart ran a confrmation of the transfer as soon as he returned the comp.
"Your money's good."
"Good as gold, Ms. Hart."
"Better," she said hefting her comp before slipping it back into her bag.  "Gold's too heavy."


p235, She stopped at a public telecom, slotted a credstick, and punched a number.  She waited while the connections were made and a voice on the other end repeated the last four digits of the telecom code.

p217, These files must be heavily protected.  The files turned out to be just that.  It was hours before they determined that Drake had certified several credsticks through Transbank.  It seemed hardly worth the effort and new headache to achieve such a dead end.  A certified credstick was the electronic equivalent of cash.  The money could still be traced once it reentered the financial network, but there would be no record of who had received the credstick.
"Twas a small hope that he would be so careless."
"Maybe if we can find some other transactions of the same monetary value as were assigned to Drake's certified sticks, we can pick up the trail by following it from whereever Transbank sends the funds.  Sure, some of the matches will just be coincidence, but some might actually be the recipients of Drake's generosity.  If we're lucky, some of the names attached to those transactions might mean something."
After two more days of data slogging, they had eliminated likely coincidences.  That left three names.  Each one connected to at least three transactions whose amounts equalled one of Drake's credsticks.
The first, Nadia Mirin, was no surprise.  In her case, the amounts were the smallest, suitable as gifts to one's paramour.  The second name was totally unfamiliar, but the pattern of intervening transactions was interesting.  Each amount went through a series of transfers, all for the exact value of Drake's credstick.  Each thread led to a sealed account in a Denver data haven.


Bitcoin has successfully achieved that which was science fiction prior to 2009.  The electronic equivalent of cash.  The US Dollar may be the world's largest digital currency, but only bitcoin (and other crypto-currencies) may claim to be the electronic equivalent of cash.

Now... where are those credsticks we were promised?  Bitcoin Wallet on a smartphone? Trezor, perhaps?
484  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Do ASICs make Bitcoin more decentralized? on: June 21, 2013, 07:32:52 PM
CPU era: Intel, AMD, similar chipmakers rule.

GPU era: AMD rules

FPGA era: Xilinx rules

ASIC era: TSMC and a few other foundries rule

ASIC era has the advantage that the chips are going to be widespread.

485  Bitcoin / Press / Re: 2013-06-19 Gastro-Lounge EVR Taps Into Bitcoin Craze on: June 21, 2013, 02:33:01 PM
No link?

Edited and fixed.
486  Bitcoin / Press / Re: 2013-06-16 SALON - Could Bitcoin become the official currency of Kenya? on: June 18, 2013, 06:39:20 PM
The article is suggesting that Kenyans' might adopt Bitcoin against the will of the government:

The headline suggests otherwise with "official"

487  Bitcoin / Press / Re: 2013-06-16 SALON - Could Bitcoin become the official currency of Kenya? on: June 18, 2013, 02:25:02 PM
That would be amazing if it became a whole country's currency.

Amazingly stupid.

We have a private currency where people may freely choose to enter and exit at will...  and somebody thinks we need a government to force an entire country to use it?  Sigh.

488  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: [ANN] Bitcoin blockchain data torrent on: June 12, 2013, 05:31:00 PM
OK, updated torrent file at SourceForge and http://gtf.org/garzik/bitcoin/bootstrap.dat.torrent to add trackers mentioned upthread.

Same info hash (thus, same bootstrap.dat file data).

Once enough peers have this new torrent, the magnet link should pick it up for the rest.

489  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: [ANN] Bitcoin blockchain data torrent on: June 12, 2013, 03:23:03 PM
http://istole.it/ lists 4 common open trackers.

2-3 of those seem to be giving people timeouts.

490  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: [ANN] Bitcoin blockchain data torrent on: June 12, 2013, 03:13:04 PM
Without a tracker URL, it looks like rtorrent does not want it.
Would you mind if I published a torrent.dat with some common public trackers?

Well, if it is truly a problem, I would prefer to regenerate the .torrent file.

What are everybody's favorite trackers?  IRC also reports a couple trackers listed in the magnet link are down.

Ideally the DHT should find things, but trackers seem to be necessary for some clients.

Edit: rtorrent users should turn on the DHT.

491  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: [ANN] Bitcoin blockchain data torrent on: June 12, 2013, 02:46:19 PM

Updated torrent.  See OP for full information.

The torrent is directly available from http://gtf.org/garzik/bitcoin/bootstrap.dat.torrent but ideally the magnet should find it.

As with other updates, simply replace (delete) the old .torrent with this new .torrent.  Any existing bootstrap.dat will be appended, avoiding a lengthy download process for the first ~200,000 blocks.

Please seed this new torrent (and drop the old)!

492  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Blockchain-based web of trust to replace X.509? on: June 11, 2013, 05:43:33 PM
Search around this forum and the bitcoin wiki for trusted / anonymous passports, fidelity bonds, SINs, ...
493  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: BTC violates GAAP, result a mess. on: June 10, 2013, 03:44:19 PM
Without the current design, you cannot have a zero trust system.

Most efficient designs are of course possible, but decrease trust.  SPV is an example.
Wow, it's really powerful statement and really questionable. I hope it comes with formal proof Smiley
Blockchain system can secure almost any underlying data structure (think of namecoin) and I don't see why it cannot be account ledger.

You snipped the relevant, quoted context for the response given.

The entire transaction history is required for a zero trust system.

494  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: BTC violates GAAP, result a mess. on: June 10, 2013, 03:35:28 PM
yes we have the set of UTXOs, but the entire chain must be traversed in order to compute this set!  Thus computation issues are built into the system.  If you were to have a tx format like OP suggests, you could eliminate much of the computation(to find a balance, you just find the last tx with account X as destination).

Without the current design, you cannot have a zero trust system.

Most efficient designs are of course possible, but decrease trust.  SPV is an example.

495  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: BTC violates GAAP, result a mess. on: June 10, 2013, 02:48:51 PM
I'd be interested to know that as well.

Traditionally, currency systems were designed the way OP suggests.  Not sure what was the rationale for designing the transactions this way.  It's certainly irregular, but perhaps there was some kind of articulated reason somewhere.

Because it makes good engineering sense.

Technically we have a balance sheet anyway:  the set of unspent transaction outputs (UTXO).

496  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: [ANN] Bitcoin blockchain data torrent on: June 10, 2013, 02:37:30 PM
Yes, the blockchain torrent will be updated this week (probably today).

As others have noted, if you compress with 7zip, that eliminates a useful property from the current torrent:  The first X gigabytes are the same in the old bootstrap.dat torrent, and any new bootstrap.dat torrent.  Using the same file, and replacing the .torrent file, will cause your torrent client to download only the new blocks, not the entire torrent.

497  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: What if the devs are ordered by a US judge to include a government backdoor? on: June 06, 2013, 07:33:52 PM
has there EVER been a case where a judge has ordered a software developer to do anything other than stop distributing their software (because of some copyright or patent issue) ?

Not AFAIK.

Usually it is tried at least somewhat surreptitiously, e.g.

     Report of FBI back door roils OpenBSD community
     http://news.cnet.com/8301-31921_3-20025767-281.html

498  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: What if the devs are ordered by a US judge to include a government backdoor? on: June 06, 2013, 02:20:02 PM
Getting the gitian build system working is not a trivial task.  New releases are typically delayed for several hours while the dev team waits for more people with working systems to show up to verify the hash of the resulting binary.

If anyone is looking for a way to get involved and help the project, setting up another build environment and hanging out in the dev channel on release days would be a good way to do it.

+1

499  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Please do not change MAX_BLOCK_SIZE on: June 05, 2013, 07:05:12 PM
Stop misrepresenting Satoshi's ideas. I've read them. I knew what I was signing up for.

Bitcoin is intended to rival Visa and Paypal, not Western Union. Saying a lie over and over again does not make it true.

No, bitcoin is not intended to rival Visa, and never will be.  Bitcoin has nothing to do with debt (thank goodness).

500  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Databases for Large Websites on: June 05, 2013, 02:03:31 PM
I mean, if I want to store the whole block chain to do data analysis on a web site, what is the best database to use for that?

People generally wind up creating custom databases, or at least highly custom setups of standard database software.

You are talking about indices containing many millions of records.  It isn't as easy as just telling your SQL db to index a column.  People often turn to tools like redis for such huge datasets.



Thanks Jeff. Why would you recommend redis over mongo?

Mongo works just fine, too.
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