^^ always with the surveillance snooping and personal questions, god they are sickening, just leave us alone.
You earthlings have that certain... je ne sais quoi --can't eat just one.  |
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guess what, the leaders of the free-shit army are govvy shills, no surprises there.
bitcoin takes away their free money fiat racket, of course they are here shilling to try and ruin something good people are creating to starve them out
Unfortunately, these damned shills have seemingly endless resources.  Is there any way to stop them?  burn their fiat coupon food stamps? Such indignation. Listen, Rebel Without a Clue, how much of that worthless toilet scrip you got? I might haul it away for you. Even toss you a satoshi or two  And this deserves a quote: |
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what are u a govy shill ?? it is definitely not out of the question that i would leave the USA .. or that i might give up my citizenship too.. problem is I cannot own a gun in most places i might move too . you are arguing it is ok for the USA to rip everyone off.. and i disagree with you.. and your 'interest to infinity' debt slavery system is built upon THEFT .
Taxation in any state, especially a modern democracy with strong and developed institutions, is completely justified, THEFT!!!1!guess what, the leaders of the free-shit army are govvy shills, no surprises there.
bitcoin takes away their free money fiat racket, of course they are here shilling to try and ruin something good people are creating to starve them out
 Dream on, impotent Earthling. |
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What does the fact that *your* taxes are high have to do with "[US] accounted for about 25 percent of the United States' GDP"? If you're in the > 30% tax bracket, my heart won't break for you, you'll get by. Somehow. What does the fact that US taxes you if you live overseas (your first link) have to do with anything? Give up your US citizenship, problem solved what are u a govy shill ?? it is definitely not out of the question that i would leave the USA .. or that i might give up my citizenship too.. problem is I cannot own a gun in most places i might move too . you are arguing it is ok for the USA to rip everyone off.. and i disagree with you.. and your 'interest to infinity' debt slavery system is built upon THEFT . No more theft than a landlord charging you rent. Stop it with the entitled bullish, snowflake. You live here, we keep it nice. You pay rent or GTFO. >what are u a govy shill ?? If you only knew, Earthling, if you only knew... |
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... He even said it himself...he trades to make money. ...
Unlike you and me, Citizen, unlike you and I. We trade to lose money  |
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What does the fact that *your* taxes are high have to do with "[US] accounted for about 25 percent of the United States' GDP"? If you're in the > 30% tax bracket, my heart won't break for you, you'll get by. Somehow. What does the fact that US taxes you if you live overseas (your first link) have to do with anything? Give up your US citizenship, problem solved |
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No. The only people that need to be convinced are right here:  Welcome to Bitcoin! Completely incorrect. You must get an overwhelming majority. If there really were only 20 miners in the world then the question becomes "why aren't you mining?" If you put millions of dollars into bitcoin, like those guys did, then you could compete with them. Bitcoin rewards for work, it's not free money, it's fair money. Any consolidation is limited to what the market will logically allow. Too much and other profit minded players start mining. True centralization is possible only when people leave money on the table, which is illogical. Nah, I'm fine. To begin with, democracy doesn't work by "how much money you sunk into it" (or, at least, not in principle). So You might want to brush up on your democracy. But, even humoring the notion of "financial stake," let's say I own half of all the bitcoins mined, but don't mine: no voice. If you think it's possible for an average user to mine Not_At_A_Loss, you're simply wrong -- economy of scale & subsidized Chinese power. GL. EDIT:  |
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it's OK tho, when LN comes out fee will go right back to 1cent, because it will relieve a lot of pressure from the blockchain
LN is designed to improve scaling. Fee reductions are just a consequence of being able to conduct more transactions. Remember how the US$ got bootstrapped? the Gold Standard? Gold standard's long gone. People still use LN USD yeah... and because of it we amaericans have to pay #abusivehightaxes Nonsense. Abusive taxes can (and were) charged long before the end of gold standard. [Britain's] Abusive taxes were the justification for the American revolution, remember? we are paying the highest taxes the world has ever seen ever.. i do not really owe the IRS 30+% of my income...... the usa needs a Magna Carta ... put me in the govys database of revolutionaries please! More nonsense. Taxes accounted for about 25 percent of the United States' GDP -- placing the U.S. 27th out of 30 countries studied. The five with the highest percentages were Denmark, France, Belgium, Finland and Sweden, each of them with taxation accounting for more than 42 percent of gross domestic product.Oct 20, 2015 --Google search for "countries with highest taxes" |
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it's OK tho, when LN comes out fee will go right back to 1cent, because it will relieve a lot of pressure from the blockchain
LN is designed to improve scaling. Fee reductions are just a consequence of being able to conduct more transactions. Remember how the US$ got bootstrapped? the Gold Standard? Gold standard's long gone. People still use LN USD LN doesn't have legal tender laws to force people to use it. If it's not backed by Bitcoin (or something) the market will probably reject it in favor of something better. You're missing my point (or, rather, I'm just not being clear) Most people don't know or care what the $ is backed by. As long as I get my stuff when I hand over the $$$, everything's cool. Don't care what Visa is backed by, 'long as when I hand over the card, I get goodies. Same with LN. If people start using LN, and it becomes accepted, they're using LN, *NOT BITCOIN*. Just like when people started using $$$, they started using $$$, *NOT GOLD*. Saying that LN solves Bitcoin's tx problem is like saying USD solved gold's portability/divisibility/ease of use problem -- it's nonsense. clueless ... every LN channel necessarily begins and end with a TX on the bitcoin network, for ever and ever, there is no LN without bitcoin. Nah, LN can be backed by *ANY BITCOIN CLONE* So now you know |
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it's OK tho, when LN comes out fee will go right back to 1cent, because it will relieve a lot of pressure from the blockchain
LN is designed to improve scaling. Fee reductions are just a consequence of being able to conduct more transactions. Remember how the US$ got bootstrapped? the Gold Standard? Gold standard's long gone. People still use LN USD yeah... and because of it we amaericans have to pay #abusivehightaxes Nonsense. Abusive taxes can (and were) charged long before the end of gold standard. [Britain's] Abusive taxes were the justification for the American revolution, remember? |
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it's OK tho, when LN comes out fee will go right back to 1cent, because it will relieve a lot of pressure from the blockchain
LN is designed to improve scaling. Fee reductions are just a consequence of being able to conduct more transactions. Remember how the US$ got bootstrapped? the Gold Standard? Gold standard's long gone. People still use LN USD LN doesn't have legal tender laws to force people to use it. If it's not backed by Bitcoin (or something) the market will probably reject it in favor of something better. You're missing my point (or, rather, I'm just not being clear) Most people don't know or care what the $ is backed by. As long as I get my stuff when I hand over the $$$, everything's cool. Don't care what Visa is backed by, 'long as when I hand over the card, I get goodies. Same with LN. If people start using LN, and it becomes accepted, they're using LN, *NOT BITCOIN*. Just like when people started using $$$, they started using $$$, *NOT GOLD*. Saying that LN solves Bitcoin's tx problem is like saying USD solved gold's portability/divisibility/ease of use problem -- it's nonsense. |
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Not sure if I made myself clear enough, in case I haven't:
The appeal of Bitcoin, the sales pitch, was that Bitcoin is immune to human failings, corruption, etc., that instead of needing to trust people, it's sufficient to trust in math ("backed by math").
Turns out no -- just like everything else, you got to trust people, in this case a bunch of manchildren who'll never play nice together.
Welcome to democracy. The system was always supposed to work this way. ... Bitcoin is not a democracy. How many times does this have to be explained to you guys? ... --Lauda, Bitcointalk staff. Well, I call a system that requires a consensus democratic. But perhaps he has a more nuanced definition of democracy. My point is that nobody is making you do anything unless they convince most everyone to go along with a change. < snip > No. The only people that need to be convinced are right here: Welcome to Bitcoin! |
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Not sure if I made myself clear enough, in case I haven't:
The appeal of Bitcoin, the sales pitch, was that Bitcoin is immune to human failings, corruption, etc., that instead of needing to trust people, it's sufficient to trust in math ("backed by math").
Turns out no -- just like everything else, you got to trust people, in this case a bunch of manchildren who'll never play nice together.
Welcome to democracy. The system was always supposed to work this way. ... Bitcoin is not a democracy. How many times does this have to be explained to you guys? ... --Lauda, Bitcointalk staff. |
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it's OK tho, when LN comes out fee will go right back to 1cent, because it will relieve a lot of pressure from the blockchain
LN is designed to improve scaling. Fee reductions are just a consequence of being able to conduct more transactions. Remember how the US$ got bootstrapped? the Gold Standard? Gold standard's long gone. People still use LN USD |
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a) Newbies are selling these cards from similar sources.
Which sources would those be? b) Everybody here is buying anyways.
... That's because people sell them here. No sellers = no buyers. Not preaching here, don't care about how you make your money, but this is not the place for it. It's smart not to shit where you sleep, so please don't. |
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^Sorry, just surprised by how much people read into a nonbinding agreement that was also wide-open to interpretation.
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... the miner's will have to pay a price for dropping support for Core, considering their recent strong statements to stick with them no matter what. ... Wait, am I understanding you correctly? This handshake deal is really falling apart?  |
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did the ETH devs say they would allow it to scale?
Currently, it scales much worse than Bitcoin (no big wonder, with full-blown Turing-complete language on blockchain). Half-year into existence, its blockchain already approaching 10GB and growing fast. There is some vague handwaving about future "sharding" and whatnot, but realistically, its chain will be much bigger than Bitcoin's, and it'll happen pretty soon. Interesting to see how they'll cope with their own scaling crisis. I'm new to all this, but how come Bitcoin can't scale, and its price keeps going down, but ETH can't scale & the price just keeps going up (+6.49% just the past 24 hrs.)  This is all so confusing  |
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did the ETH devs say they would allow it to scale?
It's all a part of the Grand Unified SmartContract TM. jk, i know nothing about ETH. |
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so i was thinking
we could have a second layer that is not centralized, but not as distributed as bitcoin.
we'd have censorship resistance and all that good stuff from decentralized systems, BUT the thing is we'd expect nodes to be sitting behind a fairly good home connection like the connection i have here 1GBbps.
a sorta of decentralized change tip sidechain.
not as secure as bitcion, but i believe we can get pretty fucking close, and besides thats the tradeoff of using bitcoin's "second layer", if yu want ultra secure payment, you push it to the first layer blockchain.
There are these excellent recipes you can get for free, about all sorts of delicious things you can cook with your Foreman Grill. The thing about it ...you really don't need a George Foreman Grill to cook them. Makes George Foreman Grills seem like a smart buy tho, and the people who bought them get to feel a little less disappointed & stupid. Get my drift? |
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