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5261  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Will people pay taxes for bitcoin ? on: March 05, 2018, 07:18:39 AM
I would be willing to pay a bitcoin tax, rather than bitcoin would be in danger in my country.
yes, I sincerely pay taxes, as long as my country's government will legalize the existence of bitcolin, and support it.

Exactly. Taxation is a form of implicit legitimization. So you want your country to tax and regulate it. That's what the South Koreans did. It's good for Bitcoin and crypto in general.

The government will only impose tax on products/services that they can regulate and monitor. As for cryptocurrencies, tax imposition would differ from country-to-country as each has their laws with regards with it. As far as I know, countries like China, South Korea and Indonesia have imposed laws with regards with its regulation and control in the economy.
As a law abiding citizen, we are mandated to follow the law and its implications. If a law was created focusing on the tax aspect on bitcoin, then expect its prices to be controlled and regulated at some point.

5262  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin as money on: March 05, 2018, 12:36:12 AM
They say that bitcoin is the future of money. What do you think if we use bitcoin in everyday lives as a money? Like buying foods. Or buying clothes. Do you imagine it positively or negatively?

I highly see bitcoin as the gateway towards this technological advancement of digitalised payment in the inevitable future but there are a lot of things to consider when applying bitcoin as the main currency in the world. Remember that what determines the value of paper money is the number of gold reserves per country and it is only a representation of such value. Now for bitcoin, applying it to all transactions would require it to be fast as compared to fiat. Since it utilises the blockchain technology, I doubt that it would be.

It is very possible, or not, but if it is to be true it is very difficult, because here we talk about the price again, cheap and expensive bitcoin price actually it does not matter, the problem is the fluctuation.

I agree. Due to its high volatility and lack of government intervention, bitcoin prices are very unstable making products/services inaccurate in terms of pricing. Also considering the economic discrepancies per country, I doubt that we will be seeing bitcoin as the main currency soon. It may be regarded as an alternative method of paying your bills but as for a main currency, I highly doubt it.
5263  Economy / Economics / Re: The impact of bitcoin on the financial stability of a country on: March 04, 2018, 01:48:19 PM
What is the impact of bitcoin in a country's financial stability?

In a country consist of its people and when people has stable financial income the country would be very progressive where there were no financial crisis,crimes,huge poverty problems and most families would have assurance in their future.Bitcoin has a great potential if we get involved with it.It can help every individual in changing their way of living for the better.

Due to bitcoin's decentralised and volatile nature, the government are skeptical about its implementation in the society. But personally, the positive implications that bitcoin bring outweigh the negative implications. It provides an opportunity to all the public into earning alternative income. In fact, I see it as an equalizer among the society as no one is hindered from investing into it. The only thing that you need is for someone to have an initial investment (for the ones who can) or at least knowledge about cryptocurrencies (for signature campaign purposes).

5264  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Is Bitcoin the best Long-term Hold? on: March 04, 2018, 08:59:09 AM
I think Bitcoin is the one of the only coins we should long term and that is because it is proven and closest to becoming usable in actual society. Sure Litecoin might be kind of close, but because everybody knows about Bitcoin it is right around the corner for implementation. I just saw a video that showed LN is active in California at a coffee shop, the revolution has begun people hang on to your Bitcoins it will probably be in your best interest.

I slightly disagree. With the current situation wherein countries are starting to impose rules prejudicial to bitcoin's existence, I say that bitcoin can be considered as an investment which is better for a mid-term. A lot of factors are needed to consider when you invest most of your resources into bitcoin. Though the price history of it may depict that its price may soon skyrocket, bitcoin in the world right now is the hot-topic of large investment companies and even the government.

I personally recommend that you should explore other investment types and you should not rely solely on bitcoin as your investment program. You could also look into the other types of cryptocurrencies like ethereum, ripple, litecoin, etc. as they have been showing positive results lately.

iam not trust btc anymore , becose its not strong and best like before , now eth is better is faster and easy to use , cheaper tax trans and etc, also eth have buterin and they good and strong team which introduce us new and new projects everytime , if not buterin we didnot have ico and etc, now we will have dao ico and i think in future we will have more and more from eth team .
Sorry to say but i am not agree with you, in my opinion i think that bitcoin is one of the most stronger currency of the world specially in as compare to digital currencies and will even continue becoming more and more stronger because of the increasing interest of the people, In fact people will continue increasing their interest in bitcoin for a long time and will continue making bitcoin more stronger.

With great power comes great responsibility. Due to bitcoin reigning as the number one cryptocurrency, some countries are starting to impose rules that prohibits the use of such cryptocurrency as they fear its decentralised nature may contribute to their conflicts. I agree that the interest of people are still inclined to bitcoin as its price is the basis of it.
5265  Economy / Speculation / Re: what will happen on: March 03, 2018, 11:35:59 AM
I just want to know how much faith do you guys have in bitcoin...

If bitcoin drops bellow $1000, do you think it will still recover someday?

There are a lot of factors to consider first on why its price dropped significantly in the market. If the reason is due to a world-wide prohibition to most hegemonic countries, then expect people to lose their faith and shift to a new cryptocurrency. But if the reason is due to a high-supply, low-demand kind then accumulating more bitcoins would be the approach as it may skyrocket once again. It really depends on the situation in the market and it also depends on the current state of bitcoin when it comes to the view of the government on it.

It completely depends on the reason of why it crashed. If it's just plain 'ol market volatility, then sure, chances are it will rebound back up in the future. But if it's something like the developers abandoning the project(which is very very unlikely in my opinion) then it might not recover if no one is going to continue to work on the project.
The chances for it rebounding is even huge than it not unless bitcoin has been totally subdues by the government and the press that everyone is just scared of buying into btc but we all know how impossible that can be as bitcoin has gotten past the little man stage to a growing man right now. You have said, it is unlikely, but even if it happens, that would just be a chance for some of us who are believers but came into the show late.

Yeah, I totally agree with you. Governments and banks and social media are factors that can really drove the price to its knees, but for short term effect only. Bitcoin has shown resiliency in the past and will continue to march towards another all-time-highs that's for sure.

But somewhere the long road, there are challenges like I mentioned, we need to brace ourselves and stay calm along the way.

Like you guys said, the decision on acquiring bitcoins primarily lies on the situation happening in the world. If the government of each country prohibits the use of the said cryptocurrency, then expect people to sell their coins thus making its value obsolete.
5266  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin eventually disappear... on: March 03, 2018, 06:38:39 AM
I think even if the bitcoin decreased by the years passed it wont still be actually disapperad forever because some of the people store their bitcoin on a safer wallets(hardware wallet). If the volume of the bitcoin decrease the value of it may pump or get a higher value. and the chance that the value increase some of the people who store it may sell it on the market to get a big profit for it .

I agree, and I also don't think Bitcoin will disappear but maybe it's value in time will increase but I highly doubt it will disappear. It had contributed and helped a lot of people, for sure those who are holding on to their bitcoins for a couple of years would agree because they are most likely holding on to bitcoins because they are all hoping its value will increase in time more than what its current price is at.

Following the logic that nothing is consistent in the world, another type of cryptocurrency would surely take its spot at the top. The problem with bitcoin is its slow transactions and many prohibitions by countries in the world. Maybe in the future, there will be a cryptocurrency that is better, faster, and reliable than bitcoin but it will remain as a foundation to all cryptocurrencies.

People are becoming more wiser in terms of securing the bitcoin due to the fact that so many other holders of bitcoin have lost they assets in the past, and at this moment people have learn to spread the bitcoin in different places and even if they lost some part of it they will still have other saving to fall back to. So bitcon can not go out of existence.

People would just hoard and circulate their bitcoins until its value skyrockets. Once that happens, people would likely sell their bitcoins and that will contribute to its volume in the market. I believe that the 21 million bitcoins in existence would just circulate until another type of cryptocurrency would dominate instead of bitcoin. Nevertheless, I highly doubt that it will disappear despite having many conflicts in the world (even if the government decided to regulate it).
5267  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Government on legalising bitcoins on: March 03, 2018, 03:09:53 AM
I strongly think that government should legalise bitcoin, because it may become a great revenue source for the goverment by imposing taxes of more than 30% and it can develop our country in so many ways.

It is easier said than done. The government cannot legalise something that they cannot regulate as it might pose a problem to them economically and politically in the future. Bitcoin's nature being decentralised and volatile makes it very difficult for the government to regulate its transactions among users and that is the reason on why some countries prohibit the use of such cryptocurrency. Last thing, if bitcoin were to be regulated and expect prices to be controlled at some point. Investing into cryptocurrency would no longer be different from stocks, bank deposits, gold, etc. in terms of acquiring value.

i strongly believe government will legalise bitcoin since france is pushing for the government and central bank to ddiscuss in international forum comming up in april. government might reach a concensus in that forum

One country that legalises bitcoin does not constitute that every country would legalise it also. If France sees the opportunities provided by cryptocurrencies, then they it might provide economic support to the public. There are still a lot of countries that are yet to legalise bitcoin and that what hinders it from growing and developing further.
5268  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The end of the banks due to bitcoin on: March 02, 2018, 07:34:51 AM
Bitcoin will not cause the end of the banks. No matter how much we love and appreciate Bitcoin and want the independence from banks Bitcoin doesn't have such power.
Banks are protected by current economic system that depends on them and in some countries are also strongly supprted by governments. They have their place in the society and can't be eliminated so easy.
So, no, Bitcoin can't harm banks.

I agree. A foreign electrical currency that has been developed for less than 10-15 years cannot fully eliminate the relevance of banks as every country acknowledges fiat as the main currency. Since every country has their own denomination on the prices of their paper money depending on their gold reserve, banks are there to regulate transactions among individuals per country. Since most countries prohibit the utilisation of cryptocurrencies, bitcoin cannot on its own end banking.

But if in the inevitable future once we adapt into a digitalised form of payment, maybe cryptocurrencies would dominate the market and require banks for its regulation (though I highly doubt about this due to its decentralised and volatile nature).
5269  Economy / Speculation / Re: Best alternative investments? on: March 02, 2018, 02:31:18 AM
In what are you guys actually storing and investing your money? in FIAT? Crypto? Stocks?
And how much? im thinking about moving more money into stocks so...

In order to maximize my profits and at least mitigate the damage of losses, I have invested into three (3) categories namely:

1. Stocks;
2. Real Estate (i.e. condominiums and lands); and
3. Cryptocurrencies

The reason on why I invested into STOCKS is purely for long-term investment. Though the movement and price might be slow as compared to cryptocurrencies, I consider my stocks as my assets for the future. For real estate, a part of my monthly salary goes to the payment for the condominium that I bought. My goal is to at least have as many properties (also for long-term). Lastly, I consider my investments in cryptocurrencies (mainly bitcoin) as my bread-and-butter in terms of accumulating income for short-term.
I take advantage of its volatility and price fluctuations to my advantage in order to maximise profit in a short amount of time as compared to the other methods that I do.

Cryptocurrency is the best investment have I know. Stock and FIAT is good, but I just do crypto and stock for my future.
It is the best investment so far that I have now. I have some other investments in real life where it is managed by a bank but the return is very low and is like I'm earning an exact cent with its percentage.

Cryptocurrency is indeed a best alternative investment aside from stocks and investment thru banks. Banks gives you nothing because you money will become more weak overtime due to inflation. Yes, cryptocurrency are still not stable but in the long run it will improve and many people will enjoy this. I also play in stock market but I still choose this thing.

Highly debatable and it may be relative to each individuals' experience. As investing into cryptocurrency may yield you large amounts of profits in a short amount of time, the lack of collateral and security may be its trade-off. Bank deposits are covered by insurance (depends per bank on the maximum insured value) and stocks are regulated by the PSE.
5270  Economy / Economics / Re: how can the beggars access Bitcoin? on: March 01, 2018, 05:57:25 PM
If all paper money were change into Bitcoins, can it be access and use by everyone? how can the beggars access Bitcoin?

Generally, everyone has access to cryptocurrencies but not everyone has the means of acquiring so. People from the marginalised sector are hindered by their current circumstances into acquiring cryptocurrencies as they lack the necessary factors, like having a stable internet connection and an electronic wallet. Maybe in the future once we adapt and embrace a digitalised form of payment, people from that sector would be able to have the means of getting cryptocurrencies. But as for our current situation? I doubt about it.

If all paper money were change into Bitcoins, can it be access and use by everyone? how can the beggars access Bitcoin?

The question sounds at least strange. First of all, why should beggars beg for Bitcoin? They need cash. Secondly, curious, who will give them crypto ever?

Technically, beggars are under the 'marginalised sector' and not all of them beg for money. As our world adapts fiat as the main currency for transactions, I believe that cryptocurrencies are irrelevant into their situation as they need to focus more into their livelihood rather than worrying about having bitcoin.
5271  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Effects of Gambling on: March 01, 2018, 12:06:24 PM
Gambling Affects your life either in a good or bad way in the long run. Some of those effects that can change your life are:

Good Effects:
*Can make money easily (not guaranteed)
*Gives so much pleasure
*Meeting new friends
*Can increase your assets

Bad Effects:
*Big loss
*Increased on your debt
*Loss jobs
*Depression/Stressed
*Broken Family/Failed on relationship
*Insufficient Funds

Despite of this effects many people are still want to continue gambling, how can you handle this possible effects of gambling in your life?

Generally, people tend to gamble due to the mindset that it can solve their financial problems but in reality, only makes their situation worse. The problem with gambling is it creates this endless cycle of people going-in and out regardless of their winnings/losings. For example, if a person won in gambling the tendency is that he will most likely visit a casino soon bringing that mindset that the odds are always on his favor. The other example is if a person loses in gambling, the tendency is he will continue to gamble to recover his losses.

As I can see, gambling gives you nothing but a full of negative things specially when you don’t know how to control yourself. Gambling is risky, you must know it in the first place but people forget that and keep on playing until they can’t control their self anymore. OP have point on this and generally speaking gambling is a game of fun but in a risky way, better to weight your priority first.

It is easier said than done but that is the right thinking. Once a person gets addicted to something, they attached themselves to it making it difficult for them to let-go. If they get too attached into gambling despite affecting their respective families, it would probably be his downfall and may slowly lead to suicide if drowned in debt. The key here is SELF-CONTROL.
5272  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: General use of bitcoin as a legal currency on: March 01, 2018, 08:47:25 AM
I've heard many of my companions say the bitcoin is the greatest invention in the decade.. But I wonder why every country don't accept this as a legal currency in their general transactions?

You need to understand that there are a lot of implications when adapting bitcoin as a general currency in the country. Below are some of my opinions on why countries cannot fully adapt a digitalised system of payment:

  • Due to economic discrepancies between developed and developing countries, adapting a digitalised form of currency may be prejudicial to developing countries as their technological advancement is behind as compared to developed countries;
  • Cryptocurrencies in general is prohibited by some of the top countries. Using this as an alternate currency would conflict laws and may potentially create disaster;
  • Cryptocurrencies' nature are on the internet; having a stable internet connection is mandatory which I believe some countries are behind;
  • Due to its volatile and decentralised nature, it would be very difficult to set a standard in the price of products as compared to fiat; and
  • Transactions involving cryptocurrencies are relatively slow. This means that acquiring products/services would take time as compared when transacting fiat.

It is without a doubt, however, that bitcoin is indeed considered one of the revolutionary innovations created as of date. Having to transact digitally around the world while providing anonymity is truly remarkable but we have to consider some factors before we adapt into it. I believe that in the inevitable future when countries are able to embrace this system, bitcoin would be the gateway towards this idealism form of transaction.
5273  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Long term vs. short term investing on: March 01, 2018, 05:02:49 AM
Hello my dear Bitcoin brothers.

I would like to ask you about your experience with day/swing trading vs. long term investing and also,
what was more profitable for you and what are pros and cons for both ways of trading?

This question interests me since market is very volatile and it can get quite easy to exploit daily range for a quick small profit.

Thank you fellas.

Based from my personal experience, short-term investments tend to benefit me more due to fluctuations in the price in a short amount of time. Remember like 3-4 months ago when bitcoin prices skyrocketed up to $20,000? I instantly withdrew all of my coins and profited two-folds from it.
Every investor has their own experiences in trading. One might say that long-term investing is more profitable but others might argue that short-term is more viable. This depends on your goal as an investor whether you focus on the long-term or short-term perspective.

Long term or short term, both can give you profit. if you choose short term, that's sure you can't get more profit, you just earn the little profit. But if you choose long term, you can earn so much profits from them, although you must wait for the long time, but it's fair for me.

Considering how the market works better to say that there’s no assurance to make profit both on long term and short term. The risk are high but if you are willing to take it I’m sure its worth it. Always know what strategy you will use to prevent big losses.


That is why you need to be updated to the recent news about cryptocurrencies as it influences the price. People should regularly check the market volume for potential spiking and predictions but investing into cryptocurrencies are generally a 'high-risk, high-reward' system.
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5275  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin help out of school youth... on: February 27, 2018, 05:40:24 AM
Do you think Bitcoin can help out of school youth to finish their studies or not?
For me in some other way yes it will help . It will help young people to gain insight on how to earn money and how to value the money they earn. But it may also be the reason to them for not continuing their studies because they earn already a lot of money on bitcoin..

The question is rather vague, as cryptocurrency in general is no less other than currency! But there are methods on how people may earn income by utilising such currency, and here are as follows:

  • Participating into campaign signatures by contributing your knowledge about cryptocurrencies in the forum;
  • Doing services under the marketplace for specific persons if you can meet their requests and demands;
  • Investing into bitcoin by acquiring some while the prices are still low currently (this requires a minimum investment and capital); and
  • By gambling your bitcoins and hope that the odds are your favor (I heavily disagree with this method).

Schools perhaps should include an optional subject that discusses about cryptocurrencies and the blockchain technology so that students may have knowledge in this particular aspect. But in order for that to happen, the government should first view cryptocurrencies as legal in the country.
5276  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Fear of bitcoin on: February 26, 2018, 10:14:54 PM
Why are some governments so keen to prove that bitcoin is dangerous. Recently, the Indian government sent notifications to the citizens that they should not invest in bitcoin.

There are a lot of factors to consider when accepting bitcoin in a country. Due to its decentralised and volatile nature, government intervention and imposition of tax is impossible as it cannot be regulated. The blockchain technology is so complex and technical that even the government cannot track-down transactions. Now, bitcoin has been used by criminals as a gateway under the dark web for illegal transactions of drugs, etc.
Not to mention, some banks see bitcoin as something that is dangerous to invest-on due to its 'high-risk, high-reward' factor.

Just cause that is not profitable for government, I think. Invest in crypto currencies is harmful to the banking system, in some extent.

It may be harmful but the positive implications it provide outweighs the negative ones IMO. As cryptocurrencies may be decentralised and have some lack of collateral, I see it as an opportunity to invest and earn long-term profit as compared to the other types of investment.
5277  Economy / Speculation / Re: What's going on with the dump? on: February 25, 2018, 03:06:31 AM
Hey,

Can anyone explain to me why there is a such a dump just now? I don't see any big reasons why this is happening. I thought we were on the up. I bought in very recently, so i'm starting to get a bit nervous. Trying to hold fast!

This is the normal behavior of bitcoin on the market. Expect prices to continuously fluctuate or at a constant level due to external factors, such as: country prohibitions, law implementations, large trading companies releasing news on NOT to invest into bitcoin, etc. About your investment, just take it slow. Bitcoin has been showing a constant price at the market as of the moment and take this as an opportunity to invest while prices are still low.

You should not panic, the dumps or dips is just a normal process. The past few weeks dumps should have taught us a lot of things; 'learn to be patient and keep holding. If you are new to bitcoin investment, then go back and read about the history of bitcoin; there is always a possible dips here and there. If you feel you can't stand the pressure, then kindly sell off your coins because not everybody can hold.

Like what I said, this particular phenomenon is typically normal in the cryptocurrency world. Expect prices to skyrocket at some point and also expect them to decrease significantly. In my opinion, take this as an opportunity to invest more in order to take advantage of the time. But if you still feel nervous about your investments, then just wait and let time do its magic.
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5279  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Bitcoin price bubbled? on: February 23, 2018, 06:16:44 AM
When can you say the price of bitcoin is already or nearly bubble?

Do you expect that the price will dump in coming years?

Edit: On this year how is the bitcoin value soaring ... What I mean is how fast....

Prices are still considered high as compared to last year's price. When you mean 'bubble', then expect bitcoin prices to decrease significantly continuously. As compared to its current situation, bitcoin prices are still continuously rising, despite having a massive breakdown from $20,000 to ~$10,000. Though one might consider it as a bubble, cryptocurrencies in general are still in the market and more investors are still seeking for potential skyrocketing of the price.

When can you say the price of bitcoin is already or nearly bubble?

Do you expect that the price will dump in coming years?

Edit: On this year how is the bitcoin value soaring ... What I mean is how fast....
The meaning of the term bubble here in the cryptocurrency world is when the value increased so high then suddenly it pop up and the value of the coin almost lose its value.The price of the bitcoin is not bubbled. The price of the bitcoin is too volatile and it the reason why the value of bitcoin is always decreasing and increasing.

That is the definition of a bubble. When a bubble happens on a certain product or service, people would start to lose interest and eventually pull-out their investments, resulting to an obsolete product in the market. As for bitcoin, many ICOs are popping-out and more countries are starting to accept it as an alternative payment for retail establishments or monthly obligations.
5280  Economy / Economics / Re: Is this basically just another way to make money? on: February 23, 2018, 04:15:36 AM
Up until now, blockchain's full potential has not been used. It was just last year when bitcoin and blockchain technology boomed so strong. It may look like it's just for the money for now, but someday (i hope it'll be this year, but it's not) we can see this technology in our day to day living.

Agree. I mean, people would exhaust all of the said means in order to earn alternative income. This mindset has been going around for like eternities as having money gives you the capacity to own/buy things. Now, investing into cryptocurrencies or doing services may give you the potential of earning large amounts of profits as compared to other types of investments. But the problem is, with high-reward comes with high-risk. That is why whenever you invest into cryptocurrencies or any instrument, consider it as the money that you are willing to lose.

Yes we can think that really happen but always think also digital currency create for an easy and to save our money with private key like own bank so don't rely and prepare yourself if crypto is for knowledge only in the future like we can't earn here anymore but still enjoy crypto now like do hardwork for big earnings.

Adapting into a digitalised currency may be the ideal form of payment since electric transactions are very convenient. But the problem is, adapting this kind of method would mean chaos for some underdeveloped countries as their level of technology is not compatible as compared to developing/developed countries. Maybe in the inevitable future, bitcoin may be the avenue towards this form of idealism.
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