Molex?

 People still use Molex for hard drives?

 8-O

 (fans are another story of course!)


 

 Stock clocks, or overclocked?

 Efficiency on the Fury/Nano is very good from everything I've seen, but still not impressive that a card with a ton more memory bandwidth and almost twice the Stream units is so poor on hashrate compared to a 2 generation old card.

 Is that 32Mh at stock clocks, or overclocked?

 They're not A2 images.

 (1) 5 boards, NOT 6.
 (2) too much open space in the case. NONE of the A2 units I own or have seen pics of have that much open space between the "first" hashboard and the controller boards.
 (3) I don't think the A2 ever came in a black case, but not 100% sure on that.


 They could be using pictures of prototype units provided to them by Innosilicon.
 They also might be recycling Dragon miner pics - I think I remember some Dragons in black cases.



 Innosilicon WAS talking "mass production" in June/July timeframe - one would think they'd have at least a FEW prototype miners built by now for testing and to take pics of.

 The author of that article appears to have MISread or MISunderstood that twitter post - the Twitter post is about AVALON/Caanan Creative seeking to raise that 0.67billion Yuan, NOT Bitmain.


 Isn't it fun to deal with very sloppy standards of journalism that fail to check facts before they report them IN ERROR?

When a significantly large proportion of folks mining get to the point they're losing (or break-even) money mining ETH.

 Might be "too many folks get into it" driving the hashrate and diff up, might be a price drop that does that - no way to tell at the moment.
 Could be a combination of BOTH factors, of course.

 Guarenteed diff will go to zero when POS is fully implimented.

 No.

 AMD has often been better on some things, worse on others, compared to NVidia - and if you go far enough back NVidia blew EVERYONE else out of the water for a few years (the video card division of AMD was still ATI back then and was better known for it's versitality (VGA Wonder line) than for high performance).


 Right now, we're in the early stages of a major generation/node change - it's hard to tell where AMD and NVidia are going to be once they get the entire LINE of new-gen cards out.
 Most likely, they'll be back to "AMD better at some things, NVidia better at others" again.

Not sure if there is a LINUX verion, but that Multiminer thing has CPU support for ETH.

 Might also look into FoldCoin.

 The Nano/Fury line also have very wide bandwidth HBM, yet they mine SLOWER than my 2 generation old R9 290 cards do.

 There's more to the issue than just wide bandwidth.

Any X11 coin has been a LOSS to mine with a CPU for years.
Even GPUs are real marginal now with the recent introduction of 3 different ASIC miners for X11.

 Mining Ethereum with a CPU is.... not a good idea, again you're going to LOSE money.

 Best bet is to watch announcements of NEW coins, mine them for a while before they get GPU-mineable, and hope the price shoots up at some point.

I'm pretty sure you can beat their prices very easily by shopping Newegg - but those "tiny" machines tend to be not good miners, NO option to add a real GPU and the cooling tends to be VERY iffy for 24/7 operation.

 The down side of pretty much ANY "ready to go" package is that it tends to charge a premium for being "ready to go".

 Not true.
 Windows 10 has issues with certain recent AMD driver versions and mining, but otherwise Windows can achieve very similar hashrates to LINUX - the BIG differences are:
 (1) Windows actually has superior tools for managing over/underclock, powertune, voltages, etc
 (2) LINUX is free, Windows co$t$
 (3) Windows for multi-GPU setups is a lot harder to get going at all, and SOMETIMES needs "dummy VGA plugs" to see more than one card on some card models, LINUX tends to need a bit more manual setup to get set up but then tends to just work.
 (4) Drivers tend to get updated faster for Windows

 The AMD Nano/Fury line are all MUCH higher core count, faster clocks, faster memory, MUCH wider memory bus - and mine SLOWER than my 2-generation old R9 290s, which routinely see 30 MH and I've not pushed them as far as they CAN go (best figure I've seen for the Nano was 27).

 There appears to be more than just pure "memory bandwidth" involved in how fast Ethereum can be mined by a given model of GPU.

Zoomhash is still around, they were clearing out A2 units in large quantities the last few months obviously clearing space and capasity for the A4.

Hasn't exactly been a lot of NEW miners for them to post the last 6 months after all.

 newegg usually doesn't start posting actual "sale" links, even with "out of stock" on them, more than a couple days before the actual release date of a new item.

 They SHOULD have GTX 1070 links start showing up any time now - release date TOMORROW.

 I wouldn't expect to see RX 480 links for a couple weeks or so, since it's not due for official release 'till June 29.

 How are they in bed with Bitmain?

 I'm also wondering if the Caanan purchace was 466 million DOLLARS equivilent, 466 million YUAN (which is a lot less, though still seems a little high unless Caanan was a LOT further along on their 14/16nm chip than I thought they could be), or 466 million what - I can't find out which of those is the actual amount anywhere I've looked.

 The Baikal is Johnnie-come-Lately - I suspect the other 2 had more to do with X11 hashrate jumps so far.
 I'm still shocked that *3* different entities came out with X11 ASIC at almost the same time, much less AT ALL - and I have to wonder how many if any of them are going to manage to recoup their investment in the chip work.


 I would be SHOCKED to see the A4 start out at $2000 - I'm starting to think I was optimistic planning for it to be INNOSILICON DIRECT priced at $2500.

 Year or two from now, after the initial sales rush has ended, I could see it dropping to the $2k range - or IF someone else actually gets a competative Scrypt miner out the door (seems like the Alcheminer folks aren't going to manage it, didn't raise enough funding for their second-gen miner/chip designs).


 

 You're confusing Bitmain gear with KNC, especially the Neptune and to a lesser degree the Titan, where KNC designed the units to exceed the spec on the connectors for power they were using.

 The issues with the Bitmain S7 have been the crappy job on applying the individual heatsinks to the mining chips, and the price being too high for most folks to ever have a reasonable chance to ROI them given how short a time they appeared before the reward halfing (and then the diff increases ended up making them pretty much unprofitable for most WELL before the halfing).

 I suspect the S9 might have the same heatsink issue, but there is no way to know for sure before folks start recieving them. It shouldn't have an issue achieving ROI if it's as long-lasting as the average S5 was (or most S7s to date that didn't have heatsink issues or had said issues fixed properly before use).

 The S5 was actually a quite solid unit, as long as you didn't push the OVERCLOCK way high or try to run it with low-airflow fans in the name of keeping it quieter.
 Mine had no issues with an Iowa summer without A/C in a place that the airflow was fair but not great, ambient temps inside were running 6-8 degrees above outside temps most of the summer. Not exactly the sign of a unit that "Oftentimes" "goes up in flames"....

Full-up Innosilicon miners have ALWAYS been a lot more expen$ive than the "equivilent gen" closest to comparable Bitcoin gear - $9995 or some such original price on the A2 NON-Mega at a time when Antminer S4 and Spondoolie SP30 were well under half that for example.

 By YOUR logic, the "mini" version of an A4 should run about $2k which would put the full version about $6k.



 Innosilicon also mentioned at one point that they aimed to bring out the A4 at the same price as the A2 - which was selling at $2500 direct up to VERY shortly before their final close-out on it and their introduction of the Farm Boy units. $4000 for DEALER pricing is in line with that for early days, probably dropping to $3000-$3500 after a couple months or so, given the very low amount of competition out there and the much higher costs involved in working with 14/16nm generation technology vs. 28nm.

 They also should command a substantial premium over remaining Titan units - better efficiency, probably TONS BETTER RELIABILITY if they're comparable to the A1/Dragon and A2 units, both make them worth sunstantially more.

 As far as ROI - well, when you're the most efficient kid on the block ROI is just a matter of having a unit that will last long enough and low enough electric rates to compete with the "big boys". Do keep in mind that hashrate and diff were barely increasing at all most of the last year, despite Litecoin being SOLIDLY profitable to mine with A2 units even at 10c/KWH electric and Litecoin pricing down around $3.
 If the price drops, the less-efficient higher-overhead folks will have to drop out first (or LOSE money) a fair bit before folks with A4s will, electric cost being equal.

No, Caanan stated that they had started design work on a 14/16nm chip - a few months after they released the Avalon 6 and said that they were NOT working on one at that time, something about the technology not being mature enough in their opinion.

 They seem to have changed their mind about that pretty quickly, but it still leaves them behind the curve some compared to Bitfury, Bitmain, BW/Lketc, and probably Innosilicon.

Zoomhash's mining/hosting operation somewhere in the Wenatchee area probably can account for enough usage to get to that 5MW figure.