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541  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: [ANNOUNCE] Android key rotation on: August 20, 2013, 11:23:24 PM
I was referring to seeded random generators f(xor(A,B)) versus f(A|B). With an ideal function, it shouldn't matter. With a broken one, it might matter.
With a broken one, you're much better off with f(A|B) than f(xor(A,B)). If A and B have too many bits in common, the xor is a disaster.
542  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: [ANNOUNCE] Android key rotation on: August 20, 2013, 06:49:29 AM
I would be more comfortable xoring than concatenating multiple inputs.
Your better off concatenating and then hashing the concatenation to the needed size. XORing is not a good idea. To see why, consider which of these is safer (where | is concatenation).

1) XOR(SHA256(X), SHA256(X))

2) SHA256(X | X)

The former is zero no matter what X is. The latter is safe so long as X is safe.

Now, consider this. X and Y are fairly random but, due to a broken PRNG, only differ in a few bits. Which is safer:

1) XOR(X, Y)

2) SHA256(X | Y)

The former can be insecure even if both X and Y are secure alone because all the common bits drop out. 2 is at least as strong as the stronger of X alone or Y alone.
543  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Introducing Ripple Currency: DYM on: August 19, 2013, 09:46:07 PM
Has there been any bugs like this before? As I say I do have a lot of trustlines setup.
Nobody has reported having funds and then not having them where we couldn't find them having the funds in the first place. I hope he's just remembering incorrectly and the DYM was never sent or was sent to some other account. It should be impossible for funds to disappear, but even more impossible for history to show funds never having appeared in the first place.
544  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Introducing Ripple Currency: DYM on: August 19, 2013, 08:33:29 PM
Maybe you made a transaction in a different currency than DYM, and because of your trust line settings and the rippling effect a conversion of your DYM was the cheapest payment path? But, I think you would've had to have elected to perform a transaction this way?
He would have had to elect to pay with his DYM, and it would have had to perfectly consume exactly the 1 DYM he had, which seems unlikely unless he paid exactly 1 DYM to someone.
545  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com on: August 19, 2013, 11:04:43 AM
Roi should only be considered in terms of btc. If you bought a Jupititer when bitcoins were $70, you will most likely never make your hundred bitcojns back. What does it matter if bitcoins go to $1000? You would have had $70,000 if you hadn't bought the Jupiter, butif it only mines 50 btc then you have lost.
No. Only the price of Bitcoins at the time you buy the miner matters. Future changes in the price of Bitcoins more or less cancels out. The cost, in Bitcoins, of a particular piece of mining hardware is dependent on the price of Bitcoins. But after that, the Bitcoins mined can be compared to the cost of the miner in Bitcoins without regard for the future price of Bitcoins.

If I'm considering buying a piece of mining hardware that will cost me 50 Bitcoins today and can be expected to mine 70 Bitcoins over the next year, then it's probably a pretty good deal. The higher the price of Bitcoins, in fact, the better off I am with the miner because the lower, proportionately to the reward, the cost of electricity.
546  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Introducing Ripple Currency: DYM on: August 19, 2013, 10:56:52 AM
I had 1DYM in my wallet... now it's gone?

Can't see any trace of it moving in the transaction history...
If you want to PM me your Ripple address, I'd be happy to investigate for you and either post the results publicly or privately. Obviously, that's not supposed to be possible.
547  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: did ASIC ruin bitcoin ? on: August 17, 2013, 03:50:56 AM
If BTC are $100 each, the question is whether the miner will ever mine 50BTC? If it mines more than 50BTC it's profitable otherwise it isn't, as you could have bought 50BTC.
It's actually slightly worse than that ecause if you buy 50 BTC, you can sell them any time you want. If you mine 50 BTC, you can't sell them until you mine them.

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The argument people make is "oh you pay $5,000 and make only 25BTC, but those BTC will be worth way more than $5,000 in future so it's a good investment". My point is no matter what the price of BTC rises to you'd be better off buying 50 up front instead of mining 25.
True, but the arguments rarely work out quite that way. You generally don't really know how many BTC you're going to get because future difficulty is hard to predict. But I absolutely agree that if you're trying to decide whether to mine, you should first compare buying mining hardware to buying BTC.
548  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Ebay/paypal scam on: August 16, 2013, 09:35:53 PM
What's the best method to win a case like this?
Sue the buyer.
549  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: did ASIC ruin bitcoin ? on: August 16, 2013, 09:35:02 PM
Why do people keep thinking this?
The miner could have bought  BTC directly with the capital investment (or maybe the initial investment was BTC anyway) so the future value of bitcoin doesn't matter. The investment is good if it makes more BTC than the capital would have bought, it's bad if it doesn't - the price of BTC does not factor into this.
Huh? Say a mining machine costs $5,000 and is expected to average about one Bitcoin per day over the next 3 months. If Bitcoins are $1 each, that's a lousy deal. If Bitcoins are $100 each, that's a pretty good deal. The cost of mining hardware is based on dollars because mining companies have to pay employees and suppliers that way.
550  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Ebay/paypal scam on: August 16, 2013, 05:15:51 PM
Then I'll tell judge what Bitcoin is on the court. Seriously, only 200-250 people know Bitcoin thing in Turkey. Smiley
That's obvious you don't know anything about Turkish law system, too.
That's not PayPal's fault. It's not their job to force someone to pay you if they don't want to. It's their job to make a payment from a willing sender. They also provide seller protection, but not for digital goods.
551  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Any experienced sha256 coin makers wanna make .4BTC? on: August 16, 2013, 03:04:30 AM
For sure. That's what I'm getting from this thread, op is looking for a way to make a coin for the people with erupters/blades etc. If he's serious about the store, and can figure out a way to stop 100+ghash rigs from taking over, I think it may work.
The problem is, he's focused on how to divide up the value without paying any attention to how to *create* the value that will be divided.
552  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Any experienced sha256 coin makers wanna make .4BTC? on: August 16, 2013, 01:40:16 AM
at this rate the revenue would be consistant right? I fully understand that increasing block rewards can possibly devalue the coin. what do you guys think?
This won't help miners -- creating more coins doesn't create more value. All you've done is ensured that people who hold the currency get screwed by increasing difficulty as well.
553  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Ebay/paypal scam on: August 15, 2013, 11:52:18 PM
So, I can do the same thing to other Bitcoin sellers in eBay, right? Because they don't protect sellers, they protect only buyers. I can buy all bitcoins in eBay and I open disputes to all of them. And that doesn't make me a scammer, right? I like your style of thought.
That makes you a scammer, not PayPal. If you agree to pay for something and receive that something, you have to pay for it. If not, you're a scammer.

In your case, the buyer still owes you the money they agreed to pay you, since they didn't pay it to you. If they're honest, they should still pay you. If they're dishonest, then they scammed you. PayPal and eBay don't provide seller protection for digital goods, you have to sue the buyer.
554  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Bad signatures leading to 55.82152538 BTC theft (so far) on: August 15, 2013, 09:41:48 PM

Is there any link to the actual bug and the actual fix? I see descriptions of the affects of the bug and suggested workarounds, but not the actual bug itself nor the fix itself.
555  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Ebay/paypal scam on: August 15, 2013, 06:17:21 PM
It happened to me, too. Paypal & eBay scammed us. I sold bitcoins, I got positive feedback by buyer. Everything was looking normal. After 2 weeks I see the dispute. I sent all the proofs but they didn't do anything. Where's the seller protection?
Just stay away from those scammers.
PayPal is quite clear that there's no seller protection from sales of digital goods or direct payments. In your case, the buyer still owes you the money and, assuming they still want to pay you, they should pay you. PayPal can't force an unwilling buyer to pay you money. PayPal makes reversible payments, period. The buyer pays you so long as the buyer wants to pay you.
556  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Any experienced sha256 coin makers wanna make .4BTC? on: August 15, 2013, 05:39:29 AM
Seems like op is trying to level the playing field maybe and try to make somewhat stable payouts. The amount of coins you get now goes down as difficulty goes up, unless you increase your hashing power. I think op is looking for a way to combat that. So basically xxxx hash will always get you xxxx coins, only the value of the coins can go up or down. I have no clue how one would implement this or if it's even what op is wanting to accomplish.
Then you want to adjust the difficulty normally to keep block generate stable but adjust the block reward based on the difficulty, I think. The problem is that the rate of coin creation will increase exponentially through all time, making the coins most likely a lousy store a value.
557  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Any experienced sha256 coin makers wanna make .4BTC? on: August 15, 2013, 01:34:24 AM
If the hash rate goes up and the difficulty goes down, the rate at which blocks are discovered goes through the roof. How will servers agree on which chain is the right chain? Imagine you have 15 chains all extending at the same time at a rate of several blocks a second -- how do you make sense of that? The vast majority of mining effort will be completely wasted because it was built on a losing chain. This design makes no sense.
558  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Bad signatures leading to 55.82152538 BTC theft (so far) on: August 15, 2013, 01:30:54 AM
Encryption isn't weakened when the random number generator is bad like this?
It depends on the type of encryption and the exact details of the bug (which, to my knowledge, still haven't been released). Generally, programs on "small" devices tend to use asymmetric encryption as clients and then they really don't have anything to compromise.

I would be surprised if Bitcoin wallets were literally the only programs affected, but I wouldn't expect there to be very many others.
559  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Ebay/paypal scam on: August 14, 2013, 09:49:28 PM
I Think you missed what I was saying. IN MY SITUATION....
No, I got you.

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1. The buyer did not do a charge back. <= buyer did not charge back nor did received funds back. Paypal held funds from me and reversed the BANK deposit that was completed quoting possible fraud.
Right. PayPal decided to disintermediate itself, that is, it removed itself from the payment between you and the buyer. I'm assuming PayPal returned the funds to the buyer, and the buyer should have paid them to you. PayPal makes it very clear that their deposits are reversible and will be reversed if payments violate their ToS or if the buyer no longer wishes to make the payment.

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2. I was AWARDED damages in District Court. = I sued I won

A District Judge made a decision thus your argument is invalid.
Also the rules of no e-currency and paypal was changed recently in 2013.
Not knowing what evidence you presented in court or what arguments PayPal made, I can't tell whether the judge's ruling is correct or not. But just from what you said, PayPal didn't do anything wrong.

Again, I very much dislike PayPal. They massively screwed me over. I'd be the first to agree if they did anything wrong. But PayPal makes reversible payments, period. And PayPal reserves the right to remove themselves from a transaction they don't wish to be part of.
560  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Bad signatures leading to 55.82152538 BTC theft (so far) on: August 14, 2013, 07:40:20 PM
And wouldn't that expose data encrypted by other apps to similar security issues?
No. The issue has nothing to do with exposing encrypted data but with signatures exposing private keys.
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