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5481  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: contribution to the society of bitcoin on: October 22, 2017, 02:38:30 PM
People will always be quick to say how bitcoin provides opportunity and wealth and that those are its main contribution to society. I beg to differ though. Bitcoin revolutionizes the way transactions work as it completely removes the trust factor. It set off the rise of other cryptocurrencies, which are really pushing innovation to be able to overtake Bitcoin. It serves as both the pioneer and as a paragon that spurs competition. The ideals behind it and the effects they brought about is Bitcoin's true contribution.

To being anonymous bitcoin transaction is widely used by the whales and corporate leads so it does not break the trustful factor of bitcoin.
You have to understand that since bitcoin's price and market supply is highest value price graph none of the altcoin will surpass the bitcoin price and its potential.
Real contribution of bitcoin is decentralized society which helps us work independent to manage finance without any government regulations.

I agree with what you said. Though you cannot completely remove anonymity of transactions due to its decentralized nature, the opportunities it provide to all individuals, regardless of their social status, supersede that condition. In-line with its nature, the government of each country cannot impose regulations through tax impositions and monopolizing supply status in order to control the price. Bitcoin is open and free to anyone who have stable internet connection (though this might be considered as a hindrance to its development).
5482  Economy / Speculation / Re: Sold my Bitcoin today on: October 22, 2017, 02:46:39 AM
I sold my bitcoin today. I think the price jumped too much too fast. My opinion is that it will drop below 5,000 soon and in that case I will buy back again because i expect bitcoin to increase significantly in the long term.
What do you think??
Edit: If you are wondering at what price, i sold at $5720. I bought Litecoin with ithat money.

What are the reasons on why you thought that bitcoin's price would decrease? Sure, there are many external factors to consider when speculating its price every month but it has to be backed-up by reasons behind your decision to sell them. Regardless, as long as you made profit out of your investment whether for short or long-term, it does not matter. Unfortunately, if you kept your bitcoins today you could have sold them for around $6000 each, adding that extra $300 to your profit but who knows that its price would reach that mark.
5483  Economy / Economics / Re: What would benefit bitcoin more? on: October 21, 2017, 05:44:39 PM
What do you think will benefit it?

I prefer the benefits of bitcoin in use in all kinds of websites, such as for cash game payment, payments for clothes and home furniture, for now bitcoin still can not be used to buy everything but I price the next year bitcoin will dominate the currency digital that can buy anything.
Yes, it really is a convenient money, however, it is not yet accepted and accepted worldwide, in other words it does not have a complete legal system. I think it takes a lot of time to complete.

I agree that the more websites are starting to accept bitcoin as payment, more individuals would be legitimately convinced about its transactions. But let us not forget that teaching bitcoins into universities are also a good alternative into spreading the information to the youth. In-line with this, they may develop revolutionary ideas or ground-breaking information that may further develop the block-chain technology into making it a near-perfect system in terms of distribution of currencies and payments. Hopefully, bitcoin's reputation may be further exposed into media allowing it to enter the market of big organizations that may invest into it.
5484  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Not Yet Legal But Not Banned on: October 21, 2017, 12:32:01 PM
Yeah not yet legal but not banned. We must enjoy what the bitcoin does to us especially do's people who allready earn it. when it comes to legality i think any other countries legalize it they should be going to have a tax for bitcoin every time using it.One of the country banned bitcoin is Chinese government. well for me china has so many investor so the investor willing to invest when it comes to bitcoin so the government alarm that their country money was weaken.

The current status of bitcoin being not legal but not banned is the best status that we must maximize and not take for granted. No one really knows what will happen in the future especially when it comes to the legalization of the transactions. Due to its decentralized nature, government from each respective countries are having a hard time regulating its transactions under the dark web, which is the perfect avenue in order to buy illegal stuff. These are the things that we take for granted and personally, I suggest that we need to utilize bitcoin until its last drop, to prepare ourselves to unexpected announcements in the future.
5485  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: interest in bitcoin is increasing on: October 21, 2017, 08:53:24 AM
As per we can see the interest in bitcoin of people is increasing at a high rate...I believe it will be our future...but will the shoppingsites like flipkar,amazon be able to accept bitcoins?
may be in the next generation.......thanz fr reading
It because now bitcoin price is moving up probably many people were interested of it and some endorsed to their relatives or even friends to do work in bitcoin to have a extra income.

Sooner or later that will be happen that other online shopping will accept bitcoin as payment, more convenience to pay and safe to transact.
Bitcoin is getting recognized by almost majority of the people and the price of bitcoin is moving because of the demand that goes into bitcoin and because of bitcoin it makes their life easier because they can easily transact money without paying too much fees and waiting for a long time. If the online shop owners will know bitcoin then they can easily adjust their payment system for adding bitcoin to that.

That is primarily the reason on why bitcoin has reached another milestone in terms of price, doubling its price way 4 months ago reaching the $6000 mark. One of the external factors on why bitcoin's price is increasing is due to the constant demands of retailers, acknowledging its potential in the market thus, many are starting to accept it as a payment for their products or services. Sooner or later, the price might even reach the $10,000 mark assuming there are no forks, ICO banning, country prohibitions, or market failure (which inevitably will happen) by next year.
5486  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Do we need to pay income tax if we earn through Bitcoin or Altcoins?? on: October 21, 2017, 01:41:45 AM
Technically, you are mandated to pay income tax despite earning through bitcoins or altcoins but it mainly depends on the country that you are staying especially if they are both regarded as 'legal ways' earning. Some countries though, have their respective views on cryptocurrencies and does not see the need to pay any tax through its decentralized nature. Like here in the Philippines, bitcoin is regarded as property, and not as currency, therefore it is not subject to legal tender. It is a case-to-case basis and you have the obligation to know it.
5487  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin price 2018 on: October 20, 2017, 09:27:46 AM
if you have any idea about bitcoin increasing? if I buy now btc so its r8 or wrong time
fell free or droped here....
thanks

Based on the results given in the price history of bitcoin, there has been a constant increases on its price over the past few years. Just to give you an example, the price of bitcoins after the ICO prohibition in China was around $4200-$4300. After a couple of weeks, its price skyrocketed up to $5400 and now, it just stays at that mark. There have been rumors about an incoming fork this November, and this may be the perfect opportunity to buy bitcoins since it is inevitable for its price to decrease. But give it 2-3 weeks after the said fork, then the price will once again increase dramatically.
5488  Economy / Economics / Re: Does this mean Cash will be extinct? on: October 20, 2017, 04:45:38 AM
Sweden is contemplating to stop using cash by 2023, does this mean cash might be extinct if other countries follow suit?

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2017/10/sweden-could-stop-using-cash-by-2023?utm_content=buffer40bef&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer
Sweden is a developed country, and there's no surprise they're going to go cashless and use e-money in the near future. There's also no surprise if other big and developed countries will follow that. But I don't think ALL countries or MOST countries will follow that trend, considering that only few countries are developed and most are still in the developing stage.

In general, extinction of cash doesn't seem to happen right now and in the coming centuries. Not all people can afford to have the high-tech gadgets or cards which can be used to make transactions without cash. Just imagine children who want to buy candy in the store using a mobile phone or card. Grin
I agree with you, even though bitcion is being tough now but in my own observation many people are still prefered of using fiat currency. Anyway, we have freedom to choice either fiat or digital currency to used since isn't mandatory by the government.

Sweden is regarded as country on the developed stage, which means that their technological and economic standards are higher compared than most of the countries around the world. Due to this reason, they have all the means on developing revolutionary methods of payment through the use of virtual currency.

Like what you guys said, every country has their own economic standing and those who are still on the "developing stage" cannot adapt the payment system via virtual currency due to having lack of technological advancements and different priorities to consider. Cash cannot become extinct YET since countries who are on the far side of the straw would cause chaos in the world market, and economy.
5489  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Is Bitcoin really secure? on: October 20, 2017, 12:28:41 AM
Bitcoin is realy safe and secure before you in here in forum you fill up your wallet that gives you a key or code to access your wallet. Hackers can't easily access your code in your wallet which your bitcoin stored. However don't share your details about your wallet code even your closed friend it maybe cause a leak to stole your wallet. Don't worry 100% safe your bitcoin.
I agree.Bitcoin is really safe and secured if you keep your wallet key within yourself.Stealers won't be able to hack your account unless you tend to be careless in such a way.But i believe bitcoin throughout those years has now become more safe and secured to invest even some people continue to doubt its security.We'll just do our part to make bitcoin works within us.

The one that gives security to your coins are your respective wallets, not bitcoin itself. Due to its decentralized nature, bitcoin is impossible to regulate by government entities or organizations making it less-secured compared to other types of investments. Also, being bitcoin's nature applicable only in the internet, it is subject to hacking (even if it is highly unlikely so) or scamming especially if the owners of that said wallet should changed their mind and get all of your coins. That is one of the factors that you must accept when investing into bitcoin especially today, sine all of its prices are increasing.
5490  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Why do thousands of investors hold bitcoin on troubled days? on: October 19, 2017, 03:33:43 PM
Obviously, those "troubled days" that you are pertaining to are times when bitcoin prices are down, thus making it the perfect opportunity for investors to take advantage of the situation (either due to hard forks, ICO bannings, etc.). Due to bitcoin's decentralized and volatile nature, external factors like the ones I indicated are inevitable in the market since no government entity or being can actually regulate bitcoin transactions. Not to mention, the number of investors who continuously support bitcoin increases per day which give a factor in determining the speculated price.
5491  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Should I try to win back my loss? on: October 19, 2017, 12:08:12 PM
I have around 500 000 bets placed on FJ
It was a matter of time when this would happen ( placed a lot of bets on not Martingale, so it already happened a lot of times, just not with Martingale)

I got 16 losses in a row
Starting with bet 0.000001BTC
And last bet was 0.03BTC
Counting a 0.06BTC loss total



Now, my question is, should I try to win it back?

I have a total bank of around 1.6BTC on my disposal

Odds of me losing those 16 bets in a row were 0.00179%
Somewhere around 1 to 60 000

Now, if I place a 0.06BTC there's a 50.5% chance I'll lose
If I lose, I place a 0.12BTC bet,  0.505*0.505= 25.5% chance I'll lose
If I lose, I place a 0.24BTC bet, 0,255025*0,505= 12.88% chance
If I lose, I place a 0.48BTC bet, 0,128787625*0,505= 6.5% chance I'll lose

If I lose, I have a total loss of 0.48+0.24+0.12+0.06 (+0.03) = 0.9BTC (+0.03)

Is it worth it?
Should I cut my losses o.o

Odds of me losing 20 bets in a row should be 1 : 860 000
Which, with me having 500k bets, doesn't sound very good

You got into a series of losses and by some logic you should stop because it's easy to lose even more.But by some law of numbers after you lost 16 times in a row you probably should finally win in next few bets.I think the decision is just for you because money is just yours.If I was in your place I would stop for a while.Since you are in good campaign all you lost will be back to you anyway.I know it's not the same as getting a bet,but let's say it makes sense,at least for me.

If you still decide to bet good luck to you and to get back all the lost Smiley

This is exactly why gambling can never be profitable in the long run. With that mindset of hoping you can win back all of your losses, that would only result of you, losing more. It's like you're just rubbing more salt to your wound. Personally, I suggest that you let that experience be a learning lesson for you to avoid gambling anymore in order to prevent this from happening again. Let that experience grow you as an individual and mature your decision making skills when it comes to prioritizing your obligations as an respectable individual. Stop your gambling ways and move-on to the next chapter of redemption of money through investing!
5492  Economy / Speculation / Re: Short term investment on: October 19, 2017, 10:48:08 AM
I think the short term investment is only doing a lot by beginners. Who only invest a little to get profit quickly. Compared to long term investment most of this is doing by people who have been long and ready to accept the risk.

Short-term investments are primarily recommended for beginners who have a limited initial capital. Of course, when an individual is an experienced investor, he/she relatively is knowledgeable about the risks that one is taking. They already have acquired the suitable mindset when it comes to investing, compared to beginners who are still skeptical about their decision on investing. Regardless of the longevity of the investment, short-term and long-term investments are both considered and used by almost all investors depending on the current market price.

Personally, If I have the means of investing big amounts of money to bitcoin, I'll do it in a heartbeat knowing that I would probably accumulated profit in the long-run basing it on the price history chart of bitcoins. Though there may be a lot of external factors to consider in determining the price, we cannot deny the fact that through the years, bitcoin's price has been steadily increasing.
5493  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: How do you think, will states be able to regulate the crypto currency? on: October 19, 2017, 12:09:02 AM
How do you think, will states be able to regulate the crypto currency?


I think yes of course, If they want they can do it, Bitcoin is a big thing now for the most powerful countries and they want to regulate it because there is a big money that is involve inside of it and their citizens are making a profit and loss out of it so they will soon regulate it with taxes for that big money that is circulating. Bitcoin and cryptocurrency exchanges as of now I think is not paying in the government regarding those taxes with each every transactions so I think this is the main objective of USA.

The answer is, they can't due to bitcoin's decentralized nature. No one can regulate bitcoin transactions due to the anonymity it provides but if the government of each country are determined to control bitcoin, then I guess that if they acquire at least more than half of the total bitcoin they can monopolize and control the price using the law of supply and demand. But I also guess that if CIA were to intervene with bitcoin transaction, then they just might crackdown the secrets of regulating it, thus imposing tax and becoming a state-policy.
5494  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What would happen if BTC was Banned? on: October 18, 2017, 07:37:56 AM
I would definitly continue to use it! Bitcoin can't be shut down unless they shut the internet down. They may turn us into criminals just for using it, but the community won't bend!

It may be easier said than done since this would dramatically decrease the price of bitcoins to the lowest level. The decrease on the price of bitcoins are highly dependent on these kinds of factors, especially in the event of world-wide ban of it. Should there be a ban, then expect ICOs decreasing, investors pulling back their investments, and establishments removing the option of paying with bitcoins, then slowly its value will become worthless. Even if it still lingers around the internet despite the ban, I highly doubt that people would still utilize and use it.
5495  Economy / Speculation / Re: Is $4000 the perfect time to buy on: October 18, 2017, 06:01:23 AM
If you managed to buy at $4000 then you are quite in a profit now.  Current price is almost $5000 and I think it will increase in the coming day as the fork is getting nearer.   Speculative investors are thinking of getting profit from the minor chain coins when it hits the market so I think it is still good to buy at this current price.

Yes $4000 is a good price to buy but this will take some time for you to buy in that amount because bitcoin price is playing in $5600 to $5800 so if this will have a major crash it will just go down a little bit in $4800. So the least you can do now is if you have some bitcoin now, just hold it for now and get a profit afterwards.

This thread was made last August 21, when the prices of bitcoins were only around $4000-4500. Considering OP that you listened to the sets of advice given by profound individuals here, then you would probably noticed by now the profit you gained after 2 months of waiting. Soon, another thread will ask the same question about buying bitcoins today (since 1 btc = $5500 usd) and the answer is obvious, it is never too late to buy bitcoins in garnering profit in the long run. Bitcoin prices can never be accurately predicted, but can only be speculated by considering other factors.
5496  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Taxes on bitcoin? on: October 18, 2017, 01:39:36 AM
If I were to sell property in a different country and the buyer were to pay me in bitcoins, would there be any taxes to pay? And when trading in the bitcoins for UK GBP, would there be any taxes to pay then?  Smiley


Firstly, no government entity or organization can impose tax on bitcoin due to its decentralized nature, meaning no one actually has complete control of it. Imposing tax on something that the government cannot regulate will violate their powers and jurisdiction. Second, it is also a case-to-case basis and it highly depends on the country depending on their current laws regarding bitcoin. Lastly, bitcoin trading into different countries is no different from exchanging coins to fiat. It depends on the wallet you are using regarding their terms & agreement.
5497  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The future of Bitcoin on: October 17, 2017, 05:22:58 PM
Nobody will know what the future will be and that is typical simply because Bitcoin is a curreny and you by no means know what will occur with Bitcoin later in the foreseeable future due to the fact it is usually shifting.So occasionally you have to get some risks with Bitcoin so you can make afterwards much more cash with it.

The future of bitcoin is highly dependent on the time-perspective that we aim for. For the short-term, bitcoin can be regarded as one of the best methods for investing due to its highly volatile price that has the potential of yielding the individual profit in short amounts of time, with convenience. But for long-term, it is very difficult to predicts its outcome due to many external factors that may affect its price. Nonetheless, bitcoin investments is a high-risk, high-reward system compared to other investments due to lack of security (decentralized nature) and control.
5498  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Did you learn from your gambling mistakes? on: October 17, 2017, 03:59:12 PM
Of course, it is on the individuals mistake if he/she will not learn some lessons especially in the world of gambling. I think also that those who learn lessons, are the one who make some really big mistakes or loss big amount of money. And to those who doesn't learned from that mistake he/she himself/heraelf has mistakes that hidden to his/her personality. I am sure that of you'll learn from those mistakes that comes to your life you'll grow  and be proud that really things has its own purpose especially when ypu quit on gambling as your biggest mistake ever made.

People that never learn from big mistakes like losing nearly all of their properties due to gambling addiction needs psychologist and rehabilitation. I am not saying gambling is bad since I am also a bettor but responsibility and maturity are needed.

everytime we make something wrong, we need to learn from our mistake and never doing the same thing again in the future so if we can not learn from the mistake then we can not step forward. so we need to learn something from our mistake at least we know that because of our greedy, we are losing our money so we need to stop from playing gambling and leave the places as soon as we can.

You are definitely right. All of my experiences serve as my guidelines and learning lessons in order to avoid my past mistakes as an individual. Learning from a gambling mistake will only work if the person sees GAMBLING AS A MISTAKE. But if he continuously gambles despite knowing the risks, effects, and implications from his/her addiction, then the person will have a really difficult time on adjusting and knowing his priorities. Personally, I stopped gambling on my second try because I know that this would never bear any beneficial fruit in the long run. Hopefully one day, people would realize that they are blinded by the illusion of gambling and see the light of hope in life.
5499  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How long bitcoin will survive ? on: October 17, 2017, 01:03:17 PM
Have you guys ever think to how long is bitcoin will survive in this world ? Well, I mean is there anything that can make bitcoin bankrupt or low price, then possibly will make bitcoiners doesn't want to invest anymore. And also is there any solution to avoid those thing. Just wonder to know.

No one actually knows the lifespan of bitcoin since it primarily depends on the number of investors and corporations who utilize it per transaction. Another factor in considering its lifespan is its availability in every country without laws prohibiting it. Currently, the number of countries who accept bitcoin transaction and maximization is more than the countries that prohibit it. But do reminded that there other factors as well in considering its lifespan, especially unexpected 'hard forks' or 'ICO banning'.

Earlier, someone posted in the forum that Japan reportedly has "a definite possibility of banning their ICO" like what China did. Due to this unexpected event, this would affect the price of bitcoins dramatically, thus decreasing the number of new investors that may potentially contribute in its utilization. Lastly, no-one really knows on how long bitcoin will last but as for now, just enjoy the opportunities it provide until to the last drop of blood.
5500  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Yet another ICO ban, this time probably from Japan :( on: October 17, 2017, 08:49:02 AM
An ICO Ban In Japan Is Still A 'Definite Possibility says the news. Here is the link:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/elaineramirez/2017/10/15/japan-ico-ban-indiesquare-higashi/#698d1d38213e
I don't want to cause FUD but I don't know.
Any views on this and on ETH price?

This is what I am talking about. The price of bitcoins may rise given the fact the number of investors are increasing per day, but news like these pose a threat regarding its price in the future. These are one of the few external factors that affect the price of bitcoins and are not accurate indicators therein.
Should Japan ban their ICOs, then expect prices to decrease. Hopefully that "definite possibility" is only a possibility that may happen.
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