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561  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: XFX Radeon RX470 4GB for $280 on: March 11, 2018, 05:41:07 AM
Yes, I agree that differing viewpoints are the best and also simply pointing my own out there, I am not necessarily just disagreeing with you.

I mined through the downturn 4 years ago as well as the good times in early 2013 and again in 2017, so I can offer the experience of seeing the bad times as well as the good.........

Maybe we meet on BTC Guild, Ghash or Eligius before, lol. I was also starting with antminer S1 in early 2014.

I hope our short discussion would help OP to decide what need to do.  Wink
562  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: XFX Radeon RX470 4GB for $280 on: March 11, 2018, 05:08:52 AM
Well no matter what the means, ASIC, POS, high difficulty, all that GPU hashrate will be looking for a new home, and if you think all the non Ethash coins will be able to adsorb it and continue to make profit, well I have a bridge I would like you to look at....

Even in longest period, remember, we still have an asset.

Doing mining at the major coins are the best option related to profit is an imprecise view. I can't deny that a newcomer would more interest to major coins, but I believe they would get experience over time. That's why this forum existed.

Absolutely agree, to give OPs some view of risk. But providing balanced opinions also would be a reference for OPs to decide. That's how the forum works.
563  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: XFX Radeon RX470 4GB for $280 on: March 11, 2018, 04:18:56 AM
Even for a brand new card I think that price will be very high in a few weeks time. Wait a bit and see if market turns around and if the Ethereum ASIC rumors are true.....

Finally, we would mine another coin when Ethereum was going to POS (don't know when, can be this year, next year, who knows). Personally, most of my rig didn't mine major coin such as ETH.

What coin would be mined by those Ethash ASIC when ETH is going to POS? ETC, Music Coin? ATM, Ethash still ASIC resistance till ASIC miner for Ethash really exist. And I believe, GPUs price wouldn't be so easy to drop, at least in the next few months.
564  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: 570 hashrate on: March 11, 2018, 03:49:56 AM
I thought your problem is:

but mining Cryptonight
1 of then ash at 750h\s and the other one 450\h\s

Focus on your main problem first, seems you don't have an issue on Ethash, those two cards, do mining with the same Hashrate on Ethash. Did you try my suggestion above?
565  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: XFX Radeon RX470 4GB for $280 on: March 11, 2018, 03:41:30 AM
I do like the RX series.  I picked up my first GPU and it was an RX for $320.  It was never used for mining and the guy was military and didn’t want to pick up and move his rig each time.

AMD, especially Polaris family more tweaker-friendly. If you believe in him, just pay him and start mining with those cards. Don't waste your time. You get a low price. I can say for sure, you will not get at that price, in another place, ATM.
566  Local / Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian) / [GUIDE SINGKAT] Quote Yang BENAR on: March 10, 2018, 12:09:08 PM
Quote itu terlihat sederhana tapi kenyataannya banyak yang salah dan keliru dalam penerapannya, saya hanya sedikit berbagi tentang tatacara Quote yang benar dan tidak melanggar aturan tentang Quote di forum ini.


1. Quote level 1


Contoh quote seperti dibawah ini:

saling mengingatkan untuk buat post yang konstruktif adalah hal yang baik menurut saya, memang selama ini banyak yang nggak sesuai aturan gan, dengan materi agan mudah mudahan banyak yang memahami untuk saling menghormati para senior sehingga dengan sendirinya tidak menyalahi aturan bila buat thread atau post

Code:
[quote author=zaharalaqila link=topic=3088019.msg31931836#msg31931836 date=1520612464]
saling mengingatkan untuk buat post yang konstruktif adalah hal yang baik menurut saya, memang selama ini banyak yang nggak sesuai aturan gan, dengan materi agan mudah mudahan banyak yang memahami untuk saling menghormati para senior sehingga dengan sendirinya tidak menyalahi aturan bila buat thread atau post
[/quote]

Perhatikan baik-baik, jika sudah mengerti prinsip dasarnya maka tidak akan adalagi kesalahan pada quote. Hal terpenting yang harus anda

perhatikan adalah:

A. [ quote author=zaharalaqila link=topic=3088019.msg31931836#msg31931836 date=1520612464 ]

Perhatikan tanda "open bracket" yang saya kasih warna biru dan tanda "close bracket" itu harus ada dan jangan sampai terhapus.


ini salah satu contoh yang close bracketnya terhapus atau tidak ada:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3088019.msg31931763#msg31931763


2. Quote level 2


Oke kita lanjutkan, ketika anda menemui sebuah Post yang berisi tutorial atau guide yang pastinya lebih dari 1000 karakter, maka anda quote tidak

semua Post tersebut di quote tapi hal-hal pentingnya saja atau point nya saja, yang anda rasa ingin bertanya atau apapun itu. contoh

yang terdapat pada OP saya seperti ini :

1. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3074606.msg31841440#msg31841440

Seharusnya seperti ini:


6. Saya hanya minta 2 Post/ replay, formatnya seperti ini :

      a. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2422676.msg24786252#msg24786252 (untuk OP)
      b. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2422676.msg24881200#msg24881200 (untuk replay).

Nah sebaiknya kata "formatnya seperti ini" diganti jadi "contohnya" jadi terlihat lebih di mengerti oleh para pemula.
Sedikit masukan ajas sih Grin

Code:

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          <!--- awal quote 2 [quote author=jillscarbrough link=topic=3074606.msg31680411#msg31680411 date=1520318968]
             ....
          [/quote] akhir quote 2 --->
  
[/quote] akhir quote 1  --->


Yang harus di perhatikan akhir quote 2 dan akhir quote1, biasanya terjadi ada yang terhapus akhir quote 1 atau akhir quote 2 :


3. Quote level 3


Quote
107 H/s

Thanks man. I am a bit confused since he said that these 2 numbers are showing up whenever he wants to check the hash of his miner. Maybe he can calculate his profits from now on.

So, what is the number 106.7 showed for?

From picture it is obvious it's averages for 10sec | 60sec | 15min ... So, 106.7 is avg for 60s.

Thanks for clearing that out man. I am not good at these programs even my friend and he still started mining despite that. He said that he will not get any good profits from his 8 hour mining activity, and the funny part is that he is just using his laptop.  Embarrassed

I just thought he is using a Desktop PC.

say to your friend, buddy

don't again use a laptop to mine because of the mining process must run 24/7 and the laptop doesn't design for it. and mining process produces heat while a laptop has a small fan.which will never be able to release excessive heat.

and a bit hashrate because of must competition with  GPU miners.

Code:
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  Qt2 [quote author=gsanjin link=topic=3050727.msg31412764#msg31412764 date=1519998629]
    Qt 3 [quote author=Creepings link=topic=3050727.msg31411600#msg31411600 date=1519997736]
       Qt 4[quote author=jillscarbrough link=topic=3050727.msg31405162#msg31405162 date=1519992049]
      
              [/quote] ---> akhir Qt4

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           [/quote] ---> akhir Qt2

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Quote is Art

Semoga bermanfaat..
567  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: XFX Radeon RX470 4GB for $280 on: March 09, 2018, 07:50:09 AM
The only thing you need to worry about is the CONDITION of the GPUs. Check them out, ask for pictures, ask if they were used in mining, since when?
If you feel like the GPUs are in good shape then it should be a go...

It seems the seller is OP's neighbors, lol. Good Idea!

@OP
Better to do a stress test with those cards, before you pay him, just to make sure that those cards are still worthless. You can use FurMark for a stress test. Since the seller lives near you, it will more easily. You can do a stress test in the seller place or yours.
568  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: XFX Radeon RX470 4GB for $280 on: March 09, 2018, 04:03:00 AM
A guy that lives close has 2 RX 470s and he is willing to sell each one for $280.   Is this a good deal or not?

In my areas, those price is under regular second-hand prices.

Can these run a RX 570 bios?  

Mod those card with those original bios as a source. Even with the same series and brand, it's not recommended for safety. Just use original bios as a source.

Also, I saw you can preorder two 1080s for $549, but I am not sure if i can convince the wife I NEED it. lol
So would going with the 1080 be a better choice? So is 2 470 better than one 1080.   I think I know the answer but I want to hear from the PROs.  

If you like to explore, go for RX series. Else...1080 seems okay.
569  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Own pool, solo mining, monero and other coins - need suggestions on: March 09, 2018, 03:29:14 AM
Basically, solo mining addressed to QT Wallet coins. So you don't need own pool for solo mining. I'm doing the same with you using MPOS before, but I didn't use my physical Rig for solo mining, that's why I need to build mining pool. Renting Hashrate from Nicehash and Westhash at that time.

The most important thing, solo mining with popular coins same as a lottery. You must calculate Global Hashrate, Difficulty, Block Time, Block Reward, etc. Newly coins with low difficulty and low Network Hashrate seems good for solo mining.
570  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: VGA card Can’t run with riser card on: March 09, 2018, 03:14:40 AM
I have the same problem before with my R9 290. Tried with all my PCIe 1x to 16x riser and nothing. Finally decided with 16x to 16x riser and it's solving my problem.  Those kinds of riser don't have a long enough size. But it's no big deal, at least I did not mounting my card straight to the mobo because it will get in the way other Riser to mounted.
571  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: 570 hashrate on: March 09, 2018, 02:51:18 AM
but mining cryptonight
1 of then ash at 750h\s and the other one 450\h\s
i tried to play a little bit the cc and mc but 450 is the best i could get
anyone could tell me what's wrong ??

Try to give those "lower Hashrate" card a dummy output. In most AMD card, dropping Hashrate is one of a regular issue.
Or may you need to test it first to disable one by one? Try the first card and disable the second card and so on. Just to make sure.
572  Local / Mining (Bahasa Indonesia) / Re: Trik menggabungkan 2 PSU dengan tehnik jumper (mining GPU) on: March 08, 2018, 02:40:33 PM
OP yang bagus, ane juga pernah menggunakan trick kayak agan dan aman, tapi ada yang lebih aman menggunakan riley PSU



jika agan mau beli  bisa disini, ngk tau ready stock atau ngk

https://www.bukalapak.com/p/komputer/aksesoris-226/aksesoris-lainnya-241/a0giu8-jual-konektor-dual-psu-relay-hubungkan-dua-psu-bagus-buat-mining-bitcoin
573  Local / Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian) / [GUIDE] TOTAL NOOB & THE MISTAKE on: March 08, 2018, 01:10:58 PM
Straigh to the point....

kasus di board luar yang sering saya temukan:
1. Open post dan replay di board luar tapi salah kamar dan  pake Bahasa indonesia.
2. Pake bahasa inggris tapi FULL translate
3. Open post di board luar tapi salah section thread
4. Tentang merit

Oleh karena itu, saya coba membantu kawan-kawan yang belum tahu peraturan dan sebagian fungsi yang ada di Bitcointalk atau mungkin kawan-kawan yang malas membaca peraturan. Sebenarnya Moderator dan member lain sudah berusaha membuat tutorial yang sangat bermanfaat seperti yang dilakukan dbshck, BitRentX, joniboini, Sunderland,  cissrawk, pandukelana2712, faza13, athanz88 , Husna QA tapi ya gitu kebiasaan orang Indonesia malas membaca, pinginnya langsung praktek tapi salah dan fatal.
Saya akan bahas yang paling penting saja. dan sering dilupakan oleh Noob

Kesalahan pertama : Open post dan replay di board luar tapi salah kamar dan pake Bahasa indonesia:

9. Discussions in the main boards must be in english. All other language discussions should be posted in the appropriate Local board. [e]

Intinya adalah jika menggunakan bahasa Indonesia harus di thread local. Board utama harus menggunakan bahasa inggris.  Ini yang di maksud board Utama:



Economy

Other


Saya sengaja pake gambar tidak pake tulisan, karena sebagian besar orang Indonesia lebih menyukai gambar daripada tulisan, mungkin kalau baca tulisan rasanya mual2. Tapi tidak cukup disitu, meskipun bahasa inggrisnya baik masih saja ada yang salah kamar alias Post tidak di sectionnya semestinya lebih parahnya bahasa inggrisnya full translate salah kamar pula. Contoh : ada yang post tentang bitcoin di section Mining (Altcoins), ada yang post jual beli coin di section mining dan yang paling menyedihkan adalah banyak sekali kasusnya. Dan di thread section ini yang sering banyak saya temui salah kamar. (Catatan pake bahasa inggris)

- Post tentang berita seputar Bitcoin di  section Mining support dan Mining speculation, harusnya berita seputar Bitcoin di section ini:


Dan itu pun harus memperhatikan dimana anda menempatkan Postnya apakah di legal, Press, Meetup, Important Anncouements

Ini peraturan bakunya:


Bitcoin Discussion - "General discussion about the Bitcoin ecosystem that doesn't fit better elsewhere. News, the Bitcoin community, innovations, the general environment, etc. Discussion of specific Bitcoin-related services usually belongs in other sections."

Indonesia :
Singkatnya disini kalau mau diskusi tentang bitcoin seperti berita-berita , komunitas bitcoin, inovasi bitcoin tapi bersifat umum.


Masalah masih berlanjut, ada yang bahasa inggrisnya bagus dan meminta bantuan tentang hardware GPU dan yang berhubungan dengan hardware computer  tapi di section mining dan di child boards:mining support. Itu thread sections hanya untuk semua yang berhubungan dengan Technical Bitcoin seperti hardware, Pools, software, speculasi mining Bitcoin

Contoh :
1. Jika anda punya Antminer S9, Avalon dan ketika mining punya masalah maka anda post di Child Board: Mining support

2. Jika berhubungan dengan masalah pools bitcoin seperti Antpool, BTC.com maka anda post di child board: Pools

3. Jika berhubungan dengan Software seperti Cgminers maka anda post di child Boards: Mining Software.

Seharusnya jika berhubungan dengan GPU dan hardware yang dipake mining postnya disini Mining (Altcoins). Lengkapnya, jika anda punya permasalahan tentang VGA, PSU, USB Riser, Motherboard, dan semua yang berhungan dengan Mining Altcoins maka Post di section Mining (Altcoins) (Catatan: pake bahasa inggris)

Kesalahan kedua dan ketiga : Pake bahasa inggris tapi FULL translate dan Open post di board luar tapi pake bahasa Indonesia
. Meskipun sudah dipindahkan ke local board, tetap saya post sebagai pelajaran.

Ini kasus terbarunya:



isi post nya



Lebih parahnya sudah di kasih tahu sama member:



Tapi dia masih ngeyel pake di translate lagi di replay nya (Ngeri ngk, itu member):



Jika ada pertanyaan:
kenapa agan ngk PM aja orangnya?, kenapa agan ngk di blurr nama membernya?, kenapa agan ngk di POST di mining altcoin local tapi malah di board umum?

Jawabannya : Sengaja ngk-PM dan blur nama nya dengan tujuan jadi pelajaran buat saya (agar rajin2 baca aturan), pelajaran buat  semua agar benar membaca aturan yang ada, dan pelajaran buat dia agar tidak ngeyel. Kasus seperti ini banyak  dan sering. Ini kalau ketemu si VOD atau Lauda pasti di Redtrust itu member. Tujuan saya hanya ingin member local lebih sering membaca peraturan dan cermat dalam Open Post tidak asal.

Jikalau memang terlanjur sudah post di luar dan belum di pindahkan moderator, maka sebaiknya member OP tersebut melakukan Lock topic (sebenarnya hal ini seperti lock topic sudah ada yang bahas) tapi saya post ulang untuk mengingatkan atau memindahkannya sendiri OP nya seperti ini, posisi kiri paling bawah dan untuk memindahkan posisi bawah paling kanan:



Dan ini juga berlaku untuk kawan-kawan yang OP di local tentang diskusi atau apapun yang agan rasa sudah menemukan jawaban atau page sudah terlalu banyak maka agan bisa melakukan hal seperti di atas untuk menguncinya. Jikalau agan mau meng-edit OP agan yang sudah di lock agan sendiri maka bisa dilakukan unlock terlebih dahulu seperti ini, Jadi agan ngk usah buat OP baru yang sama hanya untuk sekedar edit saja.:


Mengenal lebih jauh tentang fungsi-fungsi yang lain yang agan bisa mengontrolnya sendiri.

1. Profile Info


A. Summary : menampilkan profile sendiri, singkatnya seperti ini

2. Modifiy Profile (saya hanya bahas yang pentingnya saja)

A. Account Related Settings


- Hide email address from public?
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-Show other your online status?
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B. Forum Profile Information berisi:

   1. Avatar : click Go here jika anda ingin menambahkan atau mengganti avatar  kemudian upload
       avatar yang anda inginkan tapi ada aturannya:
       a. Avatar hanya untuk Rank Member keatas.
          
         
           Q: When will I be able to add an avatar to my account?
            A: Once your account is ranked Full Member or higher.
          

        b. Ukuran  file tidak lebih dari 120px (lebar)  x 80px (tinggi)  dan jenis file harus PNG,GIF dan JPEG.

     2. Personal Text sejenis Tagline
     3. Signature, ukuran tinggi signature disesuaiken dengan tingkat Rank.

C. Personal Message Options
   - Ignorelist, Jika anda tidak mau menerima PM dari seseorang maka anda lakukan dengan menulis username di TextBox.


D. Ignore user Option, jika anda tidak ingin melihat post sesorang, maka anda masukan username nya kedalam di TextBox



Dan yang terakhir adalah tentang merit, jika ingin merit berusaha POST yang berkualitas dan memberikan kontribusi terhadap forum, ini yang membuat kecewa para SPAMMER dan membuat newbie putus asa serta saya akhiri OP saya dengan kata-kata pujangga hilariousandco yang menyesakan para SPAMMER:

You're not going to get any merit because you're contributing nothing here. The merit system was created exactly to stop people like you from ranking up just by posting one liners. Contribute something of value and you will likely receive the merit you need over time. but continue making posts like you have been and you'll get nowhere fast but the system will be working as intended.

574  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Urgent HELP Selecting Hardware (PSU) on: March 07, 2018, 08:56:19 PM
Looks like I would need a 1300+ watt PSU. But I have read guys running a 6*1070 rig with 800W psu.

A single 1300W PSU costs a lot compared to 2*700W PSUs. But then I don't have any experience in mining.

In fact, You can under-volt your cards. Like I said before that I use safer calculation, so I'm using TDP.
Then, tried it! only with tried you will know, and you'll get an experience.
575  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Best coin for CPU mining? on: March 07, 2018, 08:39:21 PM
You can mine coins with this Algorithm:
Cryptonight-light (aeon)
YescryptR16 (Yanten) ==> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2329470.0
CryptoNight (Intense Coin, Electroneum,Sumokoin....), you can find a list of a CryptoNight coins and its mining calculator here: http://minecryptonight.net/
....etc

But don't know which most profitable this day, I'm still mine ETN on my two of Xeon Server with free electricity.  Wink
576  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Urgent HELP Selecting Hardware (PSU) on: March 07, 2018, 07:50:59 PM
I will purchase 5 GTX 1070 today. Can you suggest how much powerful PSU will be good enough. I will be adding 3 more cards later and run full 8 gpus on the motherboard. Is Gold rating for PSU worth it ? My electricity rate is 0.08$

For safer calculation use TDP, and remember TDP is the maximum power consumed by your cards under regular use. And how about mining process? that is not a regular use. Agree?

Some miner claiming that calculating using TDP is overkill, this is mining and your devices will run 24/7. And I will say for sure, with a stress test such as FurMark your card would consume power more than TDP.

GTX 1070 has TDP 150Watt (you can calculate by your self with the number of your card plus another part). And give them power spare.

Should I buy two PSUs instead of one (I am budget conscious)

If one PSU can handle (enough power and cable connector) all of your devices, use only one PSU. Two or three PSU it's okay.

Also please tell me the best and the second best CPU for my rig (In case first one is not available to me).

Even we don't know what mobos you are using. Or maybe you mean is PSU?
Server PSUs would be great if you can get it with cheap price (more durable).

Also should I go for a USB 3.0 Pendrive or SSD ?

Yes, would be better using SSD, fast booting, fast installing and many more.
577  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Three power supplies (PSU) onto one mining rig on: March 07, 2018, 07:15:56 PM
I use the same source for powering cards and riser, in fact I try to turn ON by remote control (SP3s Broadlink) the 3 psu...
Is it your case ? or you turn ON manually each PSU ?

Yep, I turn it on manually. My second and third PSU always turn on except when I'm doing troubleshoot. Jump-start technic was working well for me, and it's free. If you can reach your rig physically, jump-start would save your cost.
578  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Three power supplies (PSU) onto one mining rig on: March 07, 2018, 04:09:37 AM
I tried your solutions but still have the same prob. Have you an other solution ?
I have 3 psu : 850, 850 and 1000
With 13 RX570....

I also use 3 PSU on my R9 Rig (Power Hungry Rig), second and third using jumpstart (paperclip). use this scheme, use the same source PSU to powering cards and riser. Make sure second and third PSU has been turn on before primary PSU (that connected to mobo).
Sometimes we need 5V dummy load to make sure that PSU produce the right 12V.
579  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: What is the type of card to mining BTC best on: March 07, 2018, 03:26:49 AM
First, you post in the wrong section, this is Altcoins section, and you need to post in Bitcoin section.

Second, don't ever use GPU let alone CPU to mine Bitcoin, you will get nothing except you have free electricity and Internet access then you will generate a coin that just enough to buy candy. But will be better (more and more) to use your CPU on CPU-based coins and GPU on GPU-based coins.

Third, use ASIC miner to mine Bitcoin.
580  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Mining address on: March 07, 2018, 03:02:29 AM
Thank you.
I saw on a video that there were two different addresses on the same mining software, is that for management ease (coins sent to two wallets) or because it uses different pool?

What you watch in the video may do dual-mining or showing you to add a backup pool, what mining software that used in that video? basically, you only need one wallet address as receiving address when the pool (if you do pooled mining) sends your mining results.
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